Trump downplayed that Chinese hoax thing long ago and claimed he was joking. The truth is he has never actually been a strident "denier." That's just what your echo chamber told you he was.
You employ US citizens to build, maintain, upgrade and secure facilities, program, maintain and upgrade line hardware, transport and handle materials, inspect and QA products and you get to collect the tax revenue on the corporate entity, developed property and employee income. Plus, the work is done under our regulatory regime that doesn't involve deadening rivers and burning the cheapest fuel available in the least responsible manner with no mitigation at all.
If you think Advanced Manufacturing is somehow people free you are naive. It's not like that at all. So even if the US worker to disposable Chinese worker ratio is 20:1 you're still talking about tens of millions of jobs. You know, the workforce we use to have and used to vote Democrat? Yeah, those people; it's funny that the very thing the D's need to recover power in the US — a loyal working class — is very the thing that makes their skin crawl for so many reasons.
I've read that the labor costs involved in building an iPhone are roughly between $12.50 and $30 per unit.
When you're employing disposable Asian workers with no rights or protections labor costs are low. When you don't have to employ teams of environmental compliance experts and sexual harassment lawyers and all sorts of other people to comply with the realities in the US it costs a lot less.
This whole story is suspect; Foxconn is not impartial here. That huge outfit is wedded to the Chinese government and the Chinese government doesn't want any change in the current pattern of evacuating the Western industrial base to China. So Apple asks this foreign manufacturer to calculate the cost of a domestic alternative and — big surprise — the foreign manufacturer concludes the cost is infeasibly high... Yeah. Whatever. They may be right but they aren't credible.
The story is so thin it's hard to see; no analysis, no breakdown of how they computed anything. Just an unsupported press release. So it's just a trial balloon being floated by Apple+Foxconn. Propaganda in other words. Yet here it is, ricocheting around the liberal echo chamber as unassailable fact; "see look Trump stupid herp derp."
This is the money shot from what was written by Arthur Sulzberger Jr., NYT publisher;
As we reflect on the momentous result [of the election], and the months of reporting and polling that preceded it, we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor, striving always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you.
That string of weasel words amounts to; we're going stop being so myopic and try not to get blindsided by events in the future because we inhabit the center of the progressive echo chamber. The simple truth is this; any given Drudge Report reader had a more accurate view of the state of the 2016 US election than anyone that had allowed the NYT to mislead them.
The operative phrase in this story is "after Trending Topics." They got caught grooming their feed through an SJW filter. The backlash they felt was well deserved and their caution since is wise.
Is this "fake news" meme anything more than progressive echo chamber stuff? I saw plenty of pure anti-Trump bullshit polluting Facebook before the election.
That tells me that Democrats are having a much harder time selling their message than Republicans. Maybe they need to re-think their message?
There are more interesting depths to plumb here as well. Trump won spending only $285 million. If that wasn't reality it would be pure crazy talk. That's a 1995 presidential campaign budget.
Hillary spent $609 million. The bulk of that was large donors; banks, IT companies and other corporate interests. Hillary took full advantage of the state of campaign finance post Citizen's United.
It is the best example in a long list of good examples that our recently obviated campaign finance laws are pointless. When you're dealing with pairs of establishment candidates campaign financing might be significant around the margins, but who really cares? All your going to get is more establishment regardless of the outcome. When you're dealing with an outsider, however, and that outsider has any appeal at all, they can overcome very large finance deficits just fine.
And by what right do YOU claim the ability to stop them?
Trump hasn't proposed stopping them. He has said over and over, hundreds of times, in public, they're free to go where they wish and pay the tariff we impose when they import.
Prior to 1900 the US government earned most of it's revenue from tariffs. One would think that leftists would have some interest in tariffs as a source of revenue given the hundreds of billions of dollars they might use to buy more votes but, strangely, taxing imports is always off limits. I've always suspected this is because ruining "deplorable" incomes is more important to them.
Anyhow, there are well run and prosperous western nations that limit and restrain trade in all sorts of ways. The poster child of this is Germany, the nation propping up all the PIIGS with its productivity, where employers still train employees and where the industrial base and working class are not being deliberately ruined. Companies, workers and the government can all independently file suit against importers for unfair trade, so the working class and their employers in Germany aren't left to compete with disposable Asians and their unregulated mercantilist employers. Alsa, with prosperity come SJWs and so Germany has self-inflicted an immigrant problem, but their trade policy is proven sound.
If you want to keep auto manufacturing in the US, there are only 3 ways to do it.
Reagan addressed this is the 80's. He, the UAW and Democrats in congress created domestic content laws that require some fraction of value add be domestic labor to avoid tariffs. The result is that there are many foreign auto manufacturers operating plants and employing 'muricans in the US. Reagan also negotiated limits to Japanese motorcycle imports and is credited with saving some domestic manufacturers that are still around today. Not credited by most of our bought-and-paid-for politicians, mind you, just those of us that understand trade history.
Andrew Grove wrote about the importance of the industrial base to the health of an advanced economy. The scum and villainy that actually operate that industry are also really important — as you've just learned in this election — so you might want to figure out how to conduct yourselves without shitting on them at every single opportunity. Either that or take away their franchise so they can't vote.
How tone deaf must you be to announce that you're wiping out all small car production in the US and moving it all to Mexico at the height of a campaign that features the most vociferous anti-NAFTA candidate ever? Trump's Michigan win is smaller than the number of employed US citizens Ford is about to discard with that move. If you can think of a more effective way to get the attention of a "Reagan Democrat" please let us know, because I sure can't.
A 200,000/year H-1B quota is why the tech companies have been writing checks to the Clinton Foundation. The web monkeys and cubicle trolls of Slashdot are about to vote themselves out of their own industry.
Elections aren't criminal trials; completely different evidence standard. The emails are domain key signed and the Clintonistas — with the exception of the incoherent Donna Brazile — aren't denying their validity. So all that's left is you and your cognitive dissonance, voting for your corrupt statists.
The REAL people in love with MSM are the progressives who love pointing to the echo chamber
This.
Last Sunday night at 9PM ET an outfit operating from a spare bedroom in Alabama streamed a Trump rally from NM to Facebook. No MSM filter. No MSM commentary condemning everything said as RaYSiSt!!1.
3.2 million views in less than 2 hours..... on a Sunday night. Several times more eyeballs than all of the cable news echo chamber combined during the same period.
ESPN SJW crap and malcontent NFL players are driving away viewers so fast that Major League Baseball is starting to win the ratings war for the first time in thirty years. The last reason many people had to pay for cable — pro football — is being ruined by the echo chamber and 621,000 subscriptions ended last month.
Is someone concerned that gadget buyers are going so stop sorting by price and buying the cheapest one? Until Vietnam employs enough people to create wage pressure they don't have a damn thing to worry about. Exploding batteries, shredding tires, contaminated food... none of that has ever impacted Chinese trade with the west. Can't imagine why Vietnam should worry about that all.
Once Hillary pencil-whips TPP through however that could change; there are other disposable Asians that will breath aluminum dust 12 hours a day for even fewer pennies. That's what they really need to worry about.
If only the US hadn't ever used stuxnet et al. no one would hack the US... Are you naturally that naive or do you have to do a lot of painful mental contortions to get there?
There were choices. There were voices making the case. None of them we're rewarded by the electorate. They were all shouted down with "TrAd3 WaRz!!1" by the left and the right and the voters were pleased. Trump will be another entry on the list.
The truth is the Left and professional class workers in the US want it this way. They like padding the regulatory nest at home and keeping all that industry out of the environment. Wiping out the livelihoods of the Deplorables is another fine outcome.
Except that those trade deals were sold to the electorate as "good for consumers" and consumers voted twice for it; with their democratic votes and their wallets.
No, it's you. It's me. It's every swinging dick reading this. Some of us are honest with ourselves. Others delude themselves and put the blame on the targets they've been trained to hate.
why not mount them on the smokestacks of the factories making the smoke in the first place?
Because then Chinese made iPhones and Androids would cost a more money, so you and everyone else would buy the ones from India or Vietnam or Africa or some other third world hellhole instead. You are the reason not to mount them on the smokestacks.
Correct answer. Energy Star certified a gasoline powered alarm clock in 2010. It's pointless pencil whipping operation; another collection of government lawyers sopping up a grand living from government teats.
The market wasn't efficiently allocating scarce resources.
It wasn't? Somewhere there is an eager cadre of volunteers standing by to drive their personal vehicles into the aftermath of a terrorist attack while expecting no more than the usual pittance for their trouble?
No, there is no such thing in my world. Perhaps you live elsewhere and such things exist..... I can't speak to the that. Uber mobilized drivers by providing an incentive. Result; the entitled shitheels that are complaining today had their lilly white First World asses rapidly ferried away. Total success for all involved, whether they appreciate it or not.
Indeed. People poke at an app on thier Star Trek Communicators to summon transportation they expect to ferry them away from a scene of terrorism and they're pissed that this service comes at a premium. The only injustice here is Uber selling their drivers up the river by suppressing the surge price. The people complaining are entitled shitheels that deserve to be ridiculed.
Where is it written that FB must be a paragon of news excellence? Maybe we're better off if the place sinks to the tabloid level that the low-information debris that frequent the place prefer to see?
If the choice is between crap tabloid "news" and left-wing/SJW curated "news" I honestly can't say which is worse or that I care to choose. Fuck it; leave the dunderheads to their poison.
Here is Trump's actual policy regarding H-1B, which you may read on his campaign site:
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
The last time anyone heard anything definitive about H-1B from Clinton was early in 2016 at which point she wanted a higher cap (more H-1B workers.) Not surprising given how much loot Silicon Valley has dumped into the Clinton coffers.
Slashdot Mirror
Trump downplayed that Chinese hoax thing long ago and claimed he was joking. The truth is he has never actually been a strident "denier." That's just what your echo chamber told you he was.
I haven't yet seen any non Trump supporters lamenting the passing of TTP.
All that means is that you haven't been paying attention. Please leave this to those of us that are. Thanks so much.
Really amazing work here.
but where's the difference then?
You employ US citizens to build, maintain, upgrade and secure facilities, program, maintain and upgrade line hardware, transport and handle materials, inspect and QA products and you get to collect the tax revenue on the corporate entity, developed property and employee income. Plus, the work is done under our regulatory regime that doesn't involve deadening rivers and burning the cheapest fuel available in the least responsible manner with no mitigation at all.
If you think Advanced Manufacturing is somehow people free you are naive. It's not like that at all. So even if the US worker to disposable Chinese worker ratio is 20:1 you're still talking about tens of millions of jobs. You know, the workforce we use to have and used to vote Democrat? Yeah, those people; it's funny that the very thing the D's need to recover power in the US — a loyal working class — is very the thing that makes their skin crawl for so many reasons.
I've read that the labor costs involved in building an iPhone are roughly between $12.50 and $30 per unit.
When you're employing disposable Asian workers with no rights or protections labor costs are low. When you don't have to employ teams of environmental compliance experts and sexual harassment lawyers and all sorts of other people to comply with the realities in the US it costs a lot less.
This whole story is suspect; Foxconn is not impartial here. That huge outfit is wedded to the Chinese government and the Chinese government doesn't want any change in the current pattern of evacuating the Western industrial base to China. So Apple asks this foreign manufacturer to calculate the cost of a domestic alternative and — big surprise — the foreign manufacturer concludes the cost is infeasibly high... Yeah. Whatever. They may be right but they aren't credible.
The story is so thin it's hard to see; no analysis, no breakdown of how they computed anything. Just an unsupported press release. So it's just a trial balloon being floated by Apple+Foxconn. Propaganda in other words. Yet here it is, ricocheting around the liberal echo chamber as unassailable fact; "see look Trump stupid herp derp."
This is the money shot from what was written by Arthur Sulzberger Jr., NYT publisher;
As we reflect on the momentous result [of the election], and the months of reporting and polling that preceded it, we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor, striving always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you.
That string of weasel words amounts to; we're going stop being so myopic and try not to get blindsided by events in the future because we inhabit the center of the progressive echo chamber. The simple truth is this; any given Drudge Report reader had a more accurate view of the state of the 2016 US election than anyone that had allowed the NYT to mislead them.
The operative phrase in this story is "after Trending Topics." They got caught grooming their feed through an SJW filter. The backlash they felt was well deserved and their caution since is wise.
Is this "fake news" meme anything more than progressive echo chamber stuff? I saw plenty of pure anti-Trump bullshit polluting Facebook before the election.
That tells me that Democrats are having a much harder time selling their message than Republicans. Maybe they need to re-think their message?
There are more interesting depths to plumb here as well. Trump won spending only $285 million. If that wasn't reality it would be pure crazy talk. That's a 1995 presidential campaign budget.
Hillary spent $609 million. The bulk of that was large donors; banks, IT companies and other corporate interests. Hillary took full advantage of the state of campaign finance post Citizen's United.
It is the best example in a long list of good examples that our recently obviated campaign finance laws are pointless. When you're dealing with pairs of establishment candidates campaign financing might be significant around the margins, but who really cares? All your going to get is more establishment regardless of the outcome. When you're dealing with an outsider, however, and that outsider has any appeal at all, they can overcome very large finance deficits just fine.
And by what right do YOU claim the ability to stop them?
Trump hasn't proposed stopping them. He has said over and over, hundreds of times, in public, they're free to go where they wish and pay the tariff we impose when they import.
Prior to 1900 the US government earned most of it's revenue from tariffs. One would think that leftists would have some interest in tariffs as a source of revenue given the hundreds of billions of dollars they might use to buy more votes but, strangely, taxing imports is always off limits. I've always suspected this is because ruining "deplorable" incomes is more important to them.
Anyhow, there are well run and prosperous western nations that limit and restrain trade in all sorts of ways. The poster child of this is Germany, the nation propping up all the PIIGS with its productivity, where employers still train employees and where the industrial base and working class are not being deliberately ruined. Companies, workers and the government can all independently file suit against importers for unfair trade, so the working class and their employers in Germany aren't left to compete with disposable Asians and their unregulated mercantilist employers. Alsa, with prosperity come SJWs and so Germany has self-inflicted an immigrant problem, but their trade policy is proven sound.
If you want to keep auto manufacturing in the US, there are only 3 ways to do it.
Reagan addressed this is the 80's. He, the UAW and Democrats in congress created domestic content laws that require some fraction of value add be domestic labor to avoid tariffs. The result is that there are many foreign auto manufacturers operating plants and employing 'muricans in the US. Reagan also negotiated limits to Japanese motorcycle imports and is credited with saving some domestic manufacturers that are still around today. Not credited by most of our bought-and-paid-for politicians, mind you, just those of us that understand trade history.
Andrew Grove wrote about the importance of the industrial base to the health of an advanced economy. The scum and villainy that actually operate that industry are also really important — as you've just learned in this election — so you might want to figure out how to conduct yourselves without shitting on them at every single opportunity. Either that or take away their franchise so they can't vote.
How tone deaf must you be to announce that you're wiping out all small car production in the US and moving it all to Mexico at the height of a campaign that features the most vociferous anti-NAFTA candidate ever? Trump's Michigan win is smaller than the number of employed US citizens Ford is about to discard with that move. If you can think of a more effective way to get the attention of a "Reagan Democrat" please let us know, because I sure can't.
A 200,000/year H-1B quota is why the tech companies have been writing checks to the Clinton Foundation. The web monkeys and cubicle trolls of Slashdot are about to vote themselves out of their own industry.
courts operate on laws and facts
Elections aren't criminal trials; completely different evidence standard. The emails are domain key signed and the Clintonistas — with the exception of the incoherent Donna Brazile — aren't denying their validity. So all that's left is you and your cognitive dissonance, voting for your corrupt statists.
The REAL people in love with MSM are the progressives who love pointing to the echo chamber
This.
Last Sunday night at 9PM ET an outfit operating from a spare bedroom in Alabama streamed a Trump rally from NM to Facebook. No MSM filter. No MSM commentary condemning everything said as RaYSiSt!!1.
3.2 million views in less than 2 hours..... on a Sunday night. Several times more eyeballs than all of the cable news echo chamber combined during the same period.
ESPN SJW crap and malcontent NFL players are driving away viewers so fast that Major League Baseball is starting to win the ratings war for the first time in thirty years. The last reason many people had to pay for cable — pro football — is being ruined by the echo chamber and 621,000 subscriptions ended last month.
Oh dear. The scales fall from moist libtard eyes... it must be those ebiL Repubwikinz!!!1 TRUMP DID IT
Is someone concerned that gadget buyers are going so stop sorting by price and buying the cheapest one? Until Vietnam employs enough people to create wage pressure they don't have a damn thing to worry about. Exploding batteries, shredding tires, contaminated food... none of that has ever impacted Chinese trade with the west. Can't imagine why Vietnam should worry about that all.
Once Hillary pencil-whips TPP through however that could change; there are other disposable Asians that will breath aluminum dust 12 hours a day for even fewer pennies. That's what they really need to worry about.
Lovely little world we have here.
If only the US hadn't ever used stuxnet et al. no one would hack the US... Are you naturally that naive or do you have to do a lot of painful mental contortions to get there?
Ross Perot
You forgot Buchanan. And Bernie.
There were choices. There were voices making the case. None of them we're rewarded by the electorate. They were all shouted down with "TrAd3 WaRz!!1" by the left and the right and the voters were pleased. Trump will be another entry on the list.
The truth is the Left and professional class workers in the US want it this way. They like padding the regulatory nest at home and keeping all that industry out of the environment. Wiping out the livelihoods of the Deplorables is another fine outcome.
Except that those trade deals were sold to the electorate as "good for consumers" and consumers voted twice for it; with their democratic votes and their wallets.
No, it's you. It's me. It's every swinging dick reading this. Some of us are honest with ourselves. Others delude themselves and put the blame on the targets they've been trained to hate.
why not mount them on the smokestacks of the factories making the smoke in the first place?
Because then Chinese made iPhones and Androids would cost a more money, so you and everyone else would buy the ones from India or Vietnam or Africa or some other third world hellhole instead. You are the reason not to mount them on the smokestacks.
I'm going to have to vote "B" here, folks.
Correct answer. Energy Star certified a gasoline powered alarm clock in 2010. It's pointless pencil whipping operation; another collection of government lawyers sopping up a grand living from government teats.
The market wasn't efficiently allocating scarce resources.
It wasn't? Somewhere there is an eager cadre of volunteers standing by to drive their personal vehicles into the aftermath of a terrorist attack while expecting no more than the usual pittance for their trouble?
No, there is no such thing in my world. Perhaps you live elsewhere and such things exist..... I can't speak to the that. Uber mobilized drivers by providing an incentive. Result; the entitled shitheels that are complaining today had their lilly white First World asses rapidly ferried away. Total success for all involved, whether they appreciate it or not.
First-world problems for sure.
Indeed. People poke at an app on thier Star Trek Communicators to summon transportation they expect to ferry them away from a scene of terrorism and they're pissed that this service comes at a premium. The only injustice here is Uber selling their drivers up the river by suppressing the surge price. The people complaining are entitled shitheels that deserve to be ridiculed.
Lets pack the supreme court with hate filled leftists so we can make every aspect of life just like this!
Where is it written that FB must be a paragon of news excellence? Maybe we're better off if the place sinks to the tabloid level that the low-information debris that frequent the place prefer to see?
If the choice is between crap tabloid "news" and left-wing/SJW curated "news" I honestly can't say which is worse or that I care to choose. Fuck it; leave the dunderheads to their poison.
Trump is...
Here is Trump's actual policy regarding H-1B, which you may read on his campaign site:
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
The last time anyone heard anything definitive about H-1B from Clinton was early in 2016 at which point she wanted a higher cap (more H-1B workers.) Not surprising given how much loot Silicon Valley has dumped into the Clinton coffers.