The PS3 actually has some more edge on both the Wii and the 360 because it comes with rechargeable batteries, while for the 360 you have to purchases rechargeable packs seperately, and i'm not sure if the Wii has an official rechargeable option.
I disagree, but I suppose it's a matter of preference. I adore the fact the Wii60 takes AA batteries as Energizer makes 2500 mAh AA's and they last forever. They are $20 for a pack of 8, or a pack of 4 with a Travel charger. That puts them in the price range of a rechargeable battery pack for a controller, except they last longer, are multipurpose, and I can power more controllers for the same $.
If you want a propietary pack so they can't be used for anything else (like if your brother 'borrows them' for his CD player) MS makes 1st party rechargeable packs. Nintendo (currently) doesn't. There are several 3rd party ones for the 360, and some for the Wii are hitting the market shortly. The Wii ones I saw even have a ribbed rubberized grip on the outside.
What the PS3 has an edge on is that the rechargeable batteries are included, however they are not User replaceable, and you must charge them through USB. If you do it through the PS3, it must be powered while you do that. Personally I don't like it and would be much improved IMHO if I could switch out a dying battery as opposed to tethering myself to the system. Wires are so last gen...
don't get me started on all those Gamecubes collecting dust as well...
Considering The PS3 wasn't able to ship a million units to NA between black friday and New years (They announced a million out the door on the 7th or 8th), I wouldn't be surprised if the Gamecube outsold the PS3 in that period.
Word has it that Guitar Hero 2 on the 360 will let you download (for a fee) most of the bonus songs (all but 3, from memory) from the original game. I was saddened to learn that Cheat on the Church wasn't one of them, but I think I'll get over it. Plus there will be future content released online, as well as the 10 new songs (including Iron Maiden's "The Trooper") that the PS2 version didn't get
Swwwweeet. I am so good with that. Do you remember the other 2? or have a link? I hope Bark at the Moon is still there. Tuff as bawls as it is, I love playing it....
Don't tell me that the lack of a controller port for GH guitars creates a bigger net loss of backwards compatibility than the lack of a high-speed port for Game Boy Player. Rhythm games for PlayStation (NTSC U/C) and PlayStation 2 (NTSC U/C) that use a custom controller number two dozen at the most; all I can think of at the moment are seven DDR titles (USA, Konamix, MAX, MAX2, Extreme, Extreme 2, Supernova), Aerobics Revolution, In the Groove, Beatmania, Taiko Drum Master, and the two Guitar Hero titles. The rest of the custom controller games are light-gun games such as the Time Crisis series. I'd bet the Mario and Pokémon franchises alone encompass more titles than those.
Pokemon Ruby wasn't a GameCube Game. It would be like the Ps3 not being able to play PSP games. Now there was a
3rd party device that let you play GBA games through an adapter that worked through the memory card port. That sould still work.
I know I'm an odd one, but I was a late-comer to the PS2, and mostly bought the games that are now incompatible. I have GH, GHII, a few DDR's and Kingdom Hearts. So for me not being able to play most of my games matters.
It seems to me that it's a popular criticism on/. that the PS3 is doing poorly based on the fact that it can be found on the shelves.
The ps3 IS doing badly, relative to the Wii, but that ain't why.
Care to elaborate? The general consensus is that there are more than twice the number of Wii out int the wild than PS3, yet they are much more scarce. It appears that the Wii is in much greater demand.
There's only a handful of games that I play on my PS2, and GH1 and GH2 would be at the top of the list. As there is currently no way to plug the guitars into the PS3, I think I'll just stick with the PS2 and my X360 (which will have Guitar Hero 2 on it in March).
Same. In fact I haven't seen my Dual Shock in over 6 months. It hasn't mattered either. I'm hoping the 360 GHII has the ability to download the first game (for a fee of course), so you can get the better tracks (of GH) with the better multiplayer (of GHII).
The point is that no matter what level of service one desires from the XBox online offering, one MUST pay the $50
(or whatever deal can be trakced down.)
While that isn't technically true (Live Silver is available which includes demo downloads, acheivement points, online leader boards, free expansions like the new Gears of War maps, etc...), In the spirit of this discussion I'll agree with you since if you want to play multiplayer online, you need to pay.
On a cost comparison basis though, one thing Sony fans like to bring up is the pay vs. free online service, but they seem to not mention the composite (non-HD) cables that are included in both Sku's. Souldn't that money for 1st party cables ($30 for Component or $60 for HDMI) also be included in the comparison?
I hate replying to my own post, but I completely forgot that the 20gig ps3 doesn't come with wifi. So after a gold subscription you come out to about $50 ahead with the XBox. After two years your even, and after three you're in the hole $50. So whatever. I'd suggest just figuring out which games you want and pick the system that way.
First off the 'Renew cards' are sold at retail, and often at a discount. I paid about $50 for almost 2 years of live since the old X-box Live cards were being clearenced (but they work for the 360).
Also Live is leaps and bounds better than the Free PS2/3 or Nintendo's network. I use Wifi on the Wii, and my DS, but if I could have a buy up option for a 'Live like service' I would do it.
To say you're 'content' with the free service isn't the same as 'they are of equal value' (Which is the assumption being made).
Yes, if by "100% backwards compatibility" you mean "for the 5-10 games you have to re-buy for the VC". Sony clearly has the shadier definition when they say "all the PS1 and PS2 games you already own".
The Virtual console has about 40 games on list so far, but he wasn't talking about them.
He was talking about all the Gamecube games he can play with the original controllers, and the original memory cards with progressive scan (if they originally supported it) from Day 1. As a bonus it works without buying adapters.
Game Boy Player Startup Disc is a GameCube disc that does not work on Wii because he Wii has no port to plug in a Game Boy Player accessory for Nintendo GameCube.
Ok. Where do you plug in your Guitar Hero Guitars?
I know there already are plenty, but are any of them really all that good? (This is an honest question, I don't have a wii)
Call of Duty is a fine FPS on the Wii, and I can't possibly imagine playing Rayman Raving Rabits on anything other than Wii. It was built completely around the Wiimote, ratcheting it down to work on a standard controler... I'm amazed it was ever considered, let alone done.
Ubisoft and other publishers are doing Wii-only games with no chance of a port.
Though that is a logical assumption, there are many multi-platform Wii titles already, including Rayman Raving Rabbits. Despite the game being clearly built around the Wii-mote, they ported it to the PS2. Unline Viewtiful Joe, I can't imagine Rayman RR being nearly as fun on the PS2...
Having 1 console doesn't help anyone at all, except the game developers looking to make a buck.
Um... It hurts them too. Remember when Nintendo had 90% share with the NES? The put 3rd party developers over the barrel. Because they could. Sony was no different, and I can't imagine MS being more 'benevolent'. Having solid competition between 2 or 3 providers is healthier for developers.
Exclusives are important as they drive sales of any console. Most people only buy 1, and they buy the console for the games, not the other way around.
Why do so many people completely forget the large number of shockingly terrible games from back in the day, the 2600 in particular?
Because they are easy to forget, unless they stood out as so horribly bad to leave a lasting impression. It's also why we don't harp on the hundreds of shovelware crap titles that hit the PS1 and PS2. We forget those and remember the gems.
Harmonix no longer developing the series, and I can't understand why RedOctane would want to screw over such a profitable and fun franchise.
It's Activision really, and they have good reason. GH was co-developed by Harmonix, and Red Octane. Red Octane owned the franchise, so Activision bought RO. Now rather than outsourcing part of their development, they have it all 'in house'.
The logic makes perfect sence to me, but it doesn't make me feel better about it.
*content* wise it is said to be the same. However, this isn't just an emulated version of the PSOne title either. They literally ported it using the original assets and so it has true 16:9 widescreen support and higher resolution textures. All the music, cgi, and cheesy dialog is intact;-)
In addition to the 'Updated Graphics' you can toggle them back to 'Original' if you like.
I never understood this. There were around 8 million X-boxes when I saw MS tout they has something like 5.5 million live users. (counting Gold + Silver memberships) What was more telling was that 2.5 million people didn't sign up for Silver.
Why wouldn't you want to at least sign up for the Free version? There is a lot of value there, even for people who don't have a HDD.
Heck, even XBLA upping the limit to 250GB seems like a response to the PlayStationNetwork unleashing 500-600MB demos. and 150MB download games.
Just for the record, the X-Box demos have been a gig or better for quite a while. The Live Arcade titles had the limit so '1 or 2 games' could be saved on a memory card along with your profile and some game saves. There is all kinds of content (map packs, demos, movies etc...) that are WAY over that.
Hell you could 'Rent' Superman Returns in 720p and it's a 7 gig download.
Honestly I'm not hoping for a larger Hard drive, I WANT a free 'media extender' download so I can use my XP machine as Network storage and stream from there.
I'm surprised that anyone would be planning a PS3 version of guitar hero any time soon. From the point of view of sales, it is a loosing proposition. I mean, look at the numbers.
Though that is true (You won't see many PS3 exclusives for quite a while, because it isn't worth it) you only have to take in more money than it costs to port it from the 360 version (considering the 360 and PS3 both support USB for the guitar). That and this offers an upgrade path for those who have the GH games from the PS2.
In truth is would be better to keep the PS2 line and offer a PS3 compatible guitar.
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I disagree, but I suppose it's a matter of preference. I adore the fact the Wii60 takes AA batteries as Energizer makes 2500 mAh AA's and they last forever. They are $20 for a pack of 8, or a pack of 4 with a Travel charger. That puts them in the price range of a rechargeable battery pack for a controller, except they last longer, are multipurpose, and I can power more controllers for the same $.
If you want a propietary pack so they can't be used for anything else (like if your brother 'borrows them' for his CD player) MS makes 1st party rechargeable packs. Nintendo (currently) doesn't. There are several 3rd party ones for the 360, and some for the Wii are hitting the market shortly. The Wii ones I saw even have a ribbed rubberized grip on the outside.
What the PS3 has an edge on is that the rechargeable batteries are included, however they are not User replaceable, and you must charge them through USB. If you do it through the PS3, it must be powered while you do that. Personally I don't like it and would be much improved IMHO if I could switch out a dying battery as opposed to tethering myself to the system. Wires are so last gen...
Considering The PS3 wasn't able to ship a million units to NA between black friday and New years (They announced a million out the door on the 7th or 8th), I wouldn't be surprised if the Gamecube outsold the PS3 in that period.
Swwwweeet. I am so good with that. Do you remember the other 2? or have a link? I hope Bark at the Moon is still there. Tuff as bawls as it is, I love playing it....
Pokemon Ruby wasn't a GameCube Game. It would be like the Ps3 not being able to play PSP games. Now there was a 3rd party device that let you play GBA games through an adapter that worked through the memory card port. That sould still work.
I know I'm an odd one, but I was a late-comer to the PS2, and mostly bought the games that are now incompatible. I have GH, GHII, a few DDR's and Kingdom Hearts. So for me not being able to play most of my games matters.
The ps3 IS doing badly, relative to the Wii, but that ain't why.
Care to elaborate? The general consensus is that there are more than twice the number of Wii out int the wild than PS3, yet they are much more scarce. It appears that the Wii is in much greater demand.
Same. In fact I haven't seen my Dual Shock in over 6 months. It hasn't mattered either. I'm hoping the 360 GHII has the ability to download the first game (for a fee of course), so you can get the better tracks (of GH) with the better multiplayer (of GHII).
Sure. Many people sign up for Silver for the extra content on their offline games, and for Demos.
Nintendo also has many people using the Wii's online service despite the absence of online multiplayer games (at least so far).
While that isn't technically true (Live Silver is available which includes demo downloads, acheivement points, online leader boards, free expansions like the new Gears of War maps, etc...), In the spirit of this discussion I'll agree with you since if you want to play multiplayer online, you need to pay.
On a cost comparison basis though, one thing Sony fans like to bring up is the pay vs. free online service, but they seem to not mention the composite (non-HD) cables that are included in both Sku's. Souldn't that money for 1st party cables ($30 for Component or $60 for HDMI) also be included in the comparison?
First off the 'Renew cards' are sold at retail, and often at a discount. I paid about $50 for almost 2 years of live since the old X-box Live cards were being clearenced (but they work for the 360).
Also Live is leaps and bounds better than the Free PS2/3 or Nintendo's network. I use Wifi on the Wii, and my DS, but if I could have a buy up option for a 'Live like service' I would do it.
To say you're 'content' with the free service isn't the same as 'they are of equal value' (Which is the assumption being made).
Yeah, it's not like we see them around everyhere...
Oh wait...
The Virtual console has about 40 games on list so far, but he wasn't talking about them.
He was talking about all the Gamecube games he can play with the original controllers, and the original memory cards with progressive scan (if they originally supported it) from Day 1. As a bonus it works without buying adapters.
Ok. Where do you plug in your Guitar Hero Guitars?
Call of Duty is a fine FPS on the Wii, and I can't possibly imagine playing Rayman Raving Rabits on anything other than Wii. It was built completely around the Wiimote, ratcheting it down to work on a standard controler... I'm amazed it was ever considered, let alone done.
Though it's not new... Techically, the Wii (and the DS) got Mario64 at launch...
Honestly I'm not expecting Mario Galaxy until Q4 2007.
Though that is a logical assumption, there are many multi-platform Wii titles already, including Rayman Raving Rabbits. Despite the game being clearly built around the Wii-mote, they ported it to the PS2. Unline Viewtiful Joe, I can't imagine Rayman RR being nearly as fun on the PS2...
Um... It hurts them too. Remember when Nintendo had 90% share with the NES? The put 3rd party developers over the barrel. Because they could. Sony was no different, and I can't imagine MS being more 'benevolent'. Having solid competition between 2 or 3 providers is healthier for developers.
Exclusives are important as they drive sales of any console. Most people only buy 1, and they buy the console for the games, not the other way around.
Because they are easy to forget, unless they stood out as so horribly bad to leave a lasting impression. It's also why we don't harp on the hundreds of shovelware crap titles that hit the PS1 and PS2. We forget those and remember the gems.
It's Activision really, and they have good reason. GH was co-developed by Harmonix, and Red Octane. Red Octane owned the franchise, so Activision bought RO. Now rather than outsourcing part of their development, they have it all 'in house'.
The logic makes perfect sence to me, but it doesn't make me feel better about it.
In addition to the 'Updated Graphics' you can toggle them back to 'Original' if you like.
I never understood this. There were around 8 million X-boxes when I saw MS tout they has something like 5.5 million live users. (counting Gold + Silver memberships) What was more telling was that 2.5 million people didn't sign up for Silver.
Why wouldn't you want to at least sign up for the Free version? There is a lot of value there, even for people who don't have a HDD.
Just for the record, the X-Box demos have been a gig or better for quite a while. The Live Arcade titles had the limit so '1 or 2 games' could be saved on a memory card along with your profile and some game saves. There is all kinds of content (map packs, demos, movies etc...) that are WAY over that.
Hell you could 'Rent' Superman Returns in 720p and it's a 7 gig download.
Honestly I'm not hoping for a larger Hard drive, I WANT a free 'media extender' download so I can use my XP machine as Network storage and stream from there.
In America, yes. In Japan, no.
Sorry to disappoint you... but it's a PS3.
Though that is true (You won't see many PS3 exclusives for quite a while, because it isn't worth it) you only have to take in more money than it costs to port it from the 360 version (considering the 360 and PS3 both support USB for the guitar). That and this offers an upgrade path for those who have the GH games from the PS2.
In truth is would be better to keep the PS2 line and offer a PS3 compatible guitar.
They already did. One of Sony's execs (of austrailia) Said the Wii was a 'bit pricey'.