It probably has more to do with the evangelicals and mormons in this day and age. As far as I can tell, the descendants of the puritans are fairly open-minded, e.g., Massachussetts and Connecticut do support same sex marriage. So if you want to see scantily-clad women being sexually suggestive with vegetables and can't, blame the southern baptists, the LDS, some of the episcopalians, and the others like pentecostal (?), etc.
As we all know, elementary chaos theory tells us that all robots will eventually turn against their masters and run amok in an orgy of blood and the kicking and the biting with the metal teeth and the hurting and shoving. It also tells us that all cloned animals will will turn against their masters and run amok in an orgy of blood and the kicking and biting, etc.
Well... to be honest I'm not so frightened of an Ibex with a 7 minute lifespan hunting me down and eating me for dinner. Even it were an animal that could eat me, I'd still want it done just for the grandeur of such a thing, it would be like somebody figured out how to reverse time,just astounding. Sometimes it's just fine to play god, no matter what hollywood and the science fiction fans say.
P.S. One of the reasons for this particular corollary of chaos theory is that the same hack was reusing that particular scare tactic in both West World (=robot theme park run amok) and Jurassic Park (=cloned dinosaur theme park run amok).
I agree. I'll also add that though the missions are repetitive, the terrain isn't. I'm on my second time through and I really enjoy going to a location and trying to pick the best approach for an assault. If you're using the sniper rifle, you want a clear view of as many of your enemies as possible. You don't want to get flanked, so relocate as much as you can and try to flank your enemies instead. If you're using a machine gun, you want lots of cover to hide behind while attacking. Cover is your friend, if you think you're John Wayne and stroll up in the middle of the street and start blazing away, you just end up dead. Granted, doing it this way does not make the game fast paced in way, shape or form. Use patience... like spider.
Secondly, always stand near a rock or a tree so you don't get run over! If you're standing in the middle of an open savanna blazing away, small wonder your enemies will try to run you over, it's the obvious thing to do. Turnabout is fair play though, once you get the repair upgrade for the vehicles you can drive right through some of the guard posts without even getting hurt and usually hit one or two of the guards while doing it.
Lastly, I loved the heart of darkness feel to the plot near the end, it actually got me even though earlier in the game a lot of the plot was just didn't make any sense. By the umpteenth time you've been betrayed though, things are a little different, you'd much rather shoot everyone in sight rather than deal with them.
Yeah, one thing I like quite a lot about Far Cry 2 are the voices. Another thing I thought was neat was how if there is one guy wounded, the others will try and go over, pick him up and carry him to safety. It didn't take me long to figure out that if I was using a sniper rifle, I could reenact the scene from Full Metal Jacket- I shoot one guy in the leg intentionally, then wait for his friends to come over and shoot them one by one. I can tell you, I felt a certain grim satisfaction at the pile of four or five bodies by the time I finished them of with the machine gun.
I'm on my second time through this game right now on infamous. As others have pointed out, the rapid respawn on the guard posts is really, really annoying. I got really nauseous when I first started playing it, but since the new update fixed the FOV, I haven't had any problems. I got two new games right around Christmas, Bioshock and Far Cry 2. I was thinking Bioshock was going to be the better of the two, but frankly, I abandoned it after a a few missions in favor of replaying Far Cry 2. What I like about it is the beauty of the game, and the plot could use some more realistic motivations for the characters, but still the idea was there, I really like being a mercenary in africa. I do wish they had a proper faction system though too, it gets old having to shoot your way through everything.
That's it. I've got AT&T DSL and I'm going to start trying to find another broadband provider. AT&T has been on my shit-list for awhile now: they were party to the illegal wiretapping at the request of Bush & Co., they stopped carrying the alt.* usenet groups and now this. I don't have a television so a cable modem is out (well, I watch TV on my computer using an HD tuner and a big monitor). Verizon fios isn't in my area. What do I do? Mooch off my neighbors? Go for a paid-for wireless internet solution, like Verizon's? I've done this before in the last place I lived and it's a pain in the neck sometimes. Cut out internet entirely? (Yeah right, why don't I cut off my right arm while I'm at it?) Find a local ISP? I live in a large (5.5 million) city, there should be something, right?
That's a great point. What I really love about the g-mail interface it groups conversations into single threads and then color-codes the names of senders within the thread. I can fake something like this in Apple's Mail.app by using this hint and then I have an Apple-script assigned to a hot-key that assigns a random color to the thread(see the comments, here), but it's not quite the same though and I have to hit the hot key each time I want to change the thread's color. I've been meaning to see if I can get Thunderbird to do this automagically.
The answer is marketing. A highly visible sports program does seem to increase the visibility of the school and in response, the school gets a bigger pool of student applications and can choose better students out of that pool. But I agree that the idea that we have these "athlete scholars" is usually a farce, their is a double-standard for athletes and universities do whatever they can to ignore huge problems with athletes cheating, etc. The universities really need to stop spending so much money on their athletic programs and worry about their core missions, which are education and research, which does NOT include entertainment.
As for TFA, for us sedentary desk-jockeys, we think of "exercise" as healthy, but anyone who has played a sport in some sort of serious way has probably noticed that athletics at this level is not healthy, it's damaging to the body, it doesn't surprise me that the brain is no exception. I played competitive ultimate frisbee on a regular basis for several years and I was beginning to get knee trouble. Looking at the health problems some of the older players had was enough to make me quit. I'd much rather still be able to walk when I'm 50 thank you.
Now, if the two teams could combine resources to churn out an awesome desktop environment (preferably KDE based), that would make the Linux ecosystem even more relevant in today's environment.
I apologize ahead of time for my language but speaking as someone who doesn't run kde as their wm (e17 for me), all I have to say to this is:
FUCK NO!
From my perspective, if I want to run any application that has to do with kde, and there's a lot of great ones, I have to wait for all the damn dcopservers, kio_slaves, kdeinits, etc. to load and it's a royal pain in the ass. The kde environment is bloated and irritating for anyone who doesn't want to run the kde wm. The gtk and gnome apps have no such irritations. Think about what you're saying, you'd turn kde precisely into what we all hate about windows, a monopoly. A huge bloated mess where somebody up on high says, thou shalt do it this way and no other and the rest of us have to live with it. Frankly, I'm waiting with baited breath for more mainstream qt4 apps to come out that aren't tied to kde. VLC has already done that and it's such an improvement over the wxwidgets interface.
I used to run the kde 3.5 code on Mac OS X sometimes from raccoon fink's blog. I did this because I liked using the fish protocol in konqueror, it made secure file transfer really easy. OS X has that nice X11 app that does everything an X11 WM does. I don't run it any more though because fuse and sshfs pretty much made this unnecessary.
<rant>P.S. Not to mention that somebody at kde decided that konqueror should be a web browser and not a file manager. I'll never understand this... from my perspective they had some software that was a very mediocre web browser but what was in my opinion, the best file manager in existence and they threw out the file manager. For one thing, those two functions should never be in the same software, you can thank Microsoft and leveraging its monopoly for that particular monstrosity, but something is obviously wrong with the kde development process if they're making decisions like this. It's no wonder that kde4 turned out so badly.*grumble grumble*</rant>
What you're describing is that it's a good idea that Microsoft to teach children to sing like Barney. Listen to that music, it's nearly the same as in Songsmith. I argue that teaching children to have poor taste in music is not a service to them, or the rest of us.
Also, if you look at the trend in Microsoft Windows "market share" estimated by people like Net Applications, you can see that the decline of Windows started long before the housing bubble deflated. They were still being rated at 96% of the market in 2004 and 2005 and have been in what looks like continuous decline ever since. Granted, it's not much of a decline yet, only 7% or so according to Net Applications, but it does serve as evidence that Microsoft's troubles did not start with the economic crisis, the economic crisis may have compounded their existing troubles though.
There was no working together because from what a little bird told me, the entire white house IT infrastructure is being replaced. I think, in the second term of Bush Jr. things were allowed to stagnate and rather than go around updating the old PCs, they felt the best thing to do is scratch it and start over. Small wonder there's delays then.
That's a good point and I think you're right, in some of the more reasonable states there's a "fitness of purpose" or "merchantability" lemon rule for cars. Also, we can return a bad or just badly made toaster to the store if we want to. Why don't we have such things as an implied merchantability or a right of return for software? The EULA comes to mind as one obstacle, since often they say that there is no suitability or fitness of purpose when it comes to software. Meh... maybe what we need is some government oversight into computing practices that would ban EULAs, but this would require a congress and administration that stops viewing the protection of corporate profits as its primary goal and protection of the consumers as secondary. Where's Ralph Nader when you need him?
Another phrase I hear often: "I was up half the night trying to get this to work."
Maybe they should take more interest in their computers than their toaster. When was the last time someone stayed up all night trying to get their toaster to work?* If they're so smart maybe they should wake up and take the time to learn a little more about what they're buying.
After dealing with these situations time and time again I resolved that I will gladly help my friends and family in any computer problem in any way shape or form just so long as the operating system has nothing to do with Microsoft. If it's Windows, they're on their own. In practice, I do still help them if there is no one else who can help, but I make sure I tell them clearly that they should invest in an Apple next time if they want my continued help, or if they have some computer knowledge but don't know all the ins and outs, I give them an Ubuntu DVD and a coupon for a lifetime of free linux support.
Q: "i can't imagine MS would be THAT stupid to ignore such obvious common sense in the face of such steep competition. can they really be that out of touch? are they intentionally trying to fail?"
For the quarter ended Dec. 27, 2008, traditionally the best of the year because it includes the holiday season, the maker of computers and electronic devices reported net income of $1.61 billion, or $1.78 a share, up from $1.58 billion, or $1.76 a share, a year earlier.
Apple sold 2.5 million Macintosh computers in the latest quarter, up 9% from a year earlier and in line with estimates. The company sold 22.7 million iPod media players, up 3% and far exceeding Wall Street's expectations.
It also sold 4.4 million iPhones, 88% more than a year earlier but slightly less than Wall Street expected.
Apple is STILL expanding sales of it's main products: ipod, iphones and computers even in the worst financial quarter in the last decade or so. Astounding. Is it marketing? Is it his Jobs-ness? Is it mostly good, well researched products? Is it all of the above? Probably the latter.
Regardless, I wish those laid off at any company good luck in finding a new position. It's a sorry thing since this crisis was probably avoidable by people less blinded by ideology, but then again, most everyone was blinded by the magic of the market so maybe it wasn't.
Oh shit, oops, I got the wrong guy! That's what I get for posting before my morning coffee. Sorry about that. I did know that that ZFS was in snow leopard, but Schwartz claimed it was to be the default for 10.5, regular leopard.
Not to mention that McNealy is a blabbermouth who tends to exaggerate. Remember when he claimed that "ZFS will be the file system for OS X"? The reality was a little different, Apple supported ZFS but it was by no means the default file system.
The best quote in TFA (the original NYT one, not the one linked to in TFS):
In his personal life, he continues to test what is possible, requesting that a fiber-optic connection be installed to his house on the border of London's affluent Chelsea and South Kensington neighborhoods.
"I want to find out what it's like to have a gigabit connection to the home," he said. "It is not because I need to watch porn in high-definition but because I want to see what you do differently." (emphasis mine)
From that alone, you can tell he reads slashdot.
The second best quote from TFA:
"Look, I have a very privileged life, right?" Mr. Shuttleworth said. "I am a billionaire, bachelor, ex-cosmonaut. Life couldn't easily be that much better. Being a Linux geek sort of brings balance to the force."
Kudos on reaching the self-sustainable mark Mr. Shuttleworth! Let's hope you really do make the world a better, more free, place.
Reminds me of an old joke about how after 9/11 everyone started putting flag stickers on their cars. In D.C. they'd say that it was easy to tell the foreigners, they're the ones with two flag stickers on their cars. A symbol is no substitute for real patriotism.
In the immortal words of John Prine...
Your flag decal won't get you into heaven any more, it's already overcrowded from your dirty, little war.
Maybe I'm wrong and the president waits to inauguration day to really reveal his evil plans.
Now you've done it! Just couldn't keep your mouth shut for one and a half more hours could you? No matter, your little prognostication will not affect the outcome.
Dude (or lady-dude).... wtf is a "change agent"? Are you being paid to write marketing-speak or are you just doing it subconsciously? Either way, it's fucking creepy.
(No offense to you or Kundra, I actually like quite a lot the idea of moving away from MS Office for government documents. As for the choice of google apps over something else, well... Openoffice is just a let-down, I've tried sticking up for it again and again, but I can't keep that up any more. So what other option is there? I can only think of koffice or the gnome office suite. Both of those are more or less practically limited to linux and mac os X.)
Yeah, that's right. The difference between the broken window fallacy (or burglary as the OP suggested) is that in the case of burglary, the the person robbed is losing some income by having to replace the stolen items, or losing some income to replace the broken window. Despite what they claim, with P2P the media companies are not losing any income when someone pirates something, they just aren't making any more profit. Just because someone makes an unauthorized copy of the ones and zeros of some media, it doesn't mean the media company loses the ones and zeros that they created. If you could shut down pirating, the media companies might make some more income due to the lost sales, but this study suggests otherwise, there wouldn't be any increase in sales because people who pirate buy just as much or more crap, er...products, as those who don't.
Trolling again on slashdot are we Mr. Gates? If you had been paying attention, you would have known about it, since it was allover the internet when it happened.
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It probably has more to do with the evangelicals and mormons in this day and age. As far as I can tell, the descendants of the puritans are fairly open-minded, e.g., Massachussetts and Connecticut do support same sex marriage. So if you want to see scantily-clad women being sexually suggestive with vegetables and can't, blame the southern baptists, the LDS, some of the episcopalians, and the others like pentecostal (?), etc.
As we all know, elementary chaos theory tells us that all robots will eventually turn against their masters and run amok in an orgy of blood and the kicking and the biting with the metal teeth and the hurting and shoving. It also tells us that all cloned animals will will turn against their masters and run amok in an orgy of blood and the kicking and biting, etc.
Well... to be honest I'm not so frightened of an Ibex with a 7 minute lifespan hunting me down and eating me for dinner. Even it were an animal that could eat me, I'd still want it done just for the grandeur of such a thing, it would be like somebody figured out how to reverse time,just astounding. Sometimes it's just fine to play god, no matter what hollywood and the science fiction fans say.
P.S. One of the reasons for this particular corollary of chaos theory is that the same hack was reusing that particular scare tactic in both West World (=robot theme park run amok) and Jurassic Park (=cloned dinosaur theme park run amok).
I agree. I'll also add that though the missions are repetitive, the terrain isn't. I'm on my second time through and I really enjoy going to a location and trying to pick the best approach for an assault. If you're using the sniper rifle, you want a clear view of as many of your enemies as possible. You don't want to get flanked, so relocate as much as you can and try to flank your enemies instead. If you're using a machine gun, you want lots of cover to hide behind while attacking. Cover is your friend, if you think you're John Wayne and stroll up in the middle of the street and start blazing away, you just end up dead. Granted, doing it this way does not make the game fast paced in way, shape or form. Use patience... like spider.
Secondly, always stand near a rock or a tree so you don't get run over! If you're standing in the middle of an open savanna blazing away, small wonder your enemies will try to run you over, it's the obvious thing to do. Turnabout is fair play though, once you get the repair upgrade for the vehicles you can drive right through some of the guard posts without even getting hurt and usually hit one or two of the guards while doing it.
Lastly, I loved the heart of darkness feel to the plot near the end, it actually got me even though earlier in the game a lot of the plot was just didn't make any sense. By the umpteenth time you've been betrayed though, things are a little different, you'd much rather shoot everyone in sight rather than deal with them.
Yeah, one thing I like quite a lot about Far Cry 2 are the voices. Another thing I thought was neat was how if there is one guy wounded, the others will try and go over, pick him up and carry him to safety. It didn't take me long to figure out that if I was using a sniper rifle, I could reenact the scene from Full Metal Jacket- I shoot one guy in the leg intentionally, then wait for his friends to come over and shoot them one by one. I can tell you, I felt a certain grim satisfaction at the pile of four or five bodies by the time I finished them of with the machine gun.
I'm on my second time through this game right now on infamous. As others have pointed out, the rapid respawn on the guard posts is really, really annoying. I got really nauseous when I first started playing it, but since the new update fixed the FOV, I haven't had any problems. I got two new games right around Christmas, Bioshock and Far Cry 2. I was thinking Bioshock was going to be the better of the two, but frankly, I abandoned it after a a few missions in favor of replaying Far Cry 2. What I like about it is the beauty of the game, and the plot could use some more realistic motivations for the characters, but still the idea was there, I really like being a mercenary in africa. I do wish they had a proper faction system though too, it gets old having to shoot your way through everything.
Hey baby, is that the king of Thailand in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
That's it. I've got AT&T DSL and I'm going to start trying to find another broadband provider. AT&T has been on my shit-list for awhile now: they were party to the illegal wiretapping at the request of Bush & Co., they stopped carrying the alt.* usenet groups and now this. I don't have a television so a cable modem is out (well, I watch TV on my computer using an HD tuner and a big monitor). Verizon fios isn't in my area. What do I do? Mooch off my neighbors? Go for a paid-for wireless internet solution, like Verizon's? I've done this before in the last place I lived and it's a pain in the neck sometimes. Cut out internet entirely? (Yeah right, why don't I cut off my right arm while I'm at it?) Find a local ISP? I live in a large (5.5 million) city, there should be something, right?
That's a great point. What I really love about the g-mail interface it groups conversations into single threads and then color-codes the names of senders within the thread. I can fake something like this in Apple's Mail.app by using this hint and then I have an Apple-script assigned to a hot-key that assigns a random color to the thread(see the comments, here), but it's not quite the same though and I have to hit the hot key each time I want to change the thread's color. I've been meaning to see if I can get Thunderbird to do this automagically.
The answer is marketing. A highly visible sports program does seem to increase the visibility of the school and in response, the school gets a bigger pool of student applications and can choose better students out of that pool. But I agree that the idea that we have these "athlete scholars" is usually a farce, their is a double-standard for athletes and universities do whatever they can to ignore huge problems with athletes cheating, etc. The universities really need to stop spending so much money on their athletic programs and worry about their core missions, which are education and research, which does NOT include entertainment.
As for TFA, for us sedentary desk-jockeys, we think of "exercise" as healthy, but anyone who has played a sport in some sort of serious way has probably noticed that athletics at this level is not healthy, it's damaging to the body, it doesn't surprise me that the brain is no exception. I played competitive ultimate frisbee on a regular basis for several years and I was beginning to get knee trouble. Looking at the health problems some of the older players had was enough to make me quit. I'd much rather still be able to walk when I'm 50 thank you.
I apologize ahead of time for my language but speaking as someone who doesn't run kde as their wm (e17 for me), all I have to say to this is:
FUCK NO!
From my perspective, if I want to run any application that has to do with kde, and there's a lot of great ones, I have to wait for all the damn dcopservers, kio_slaves, kdeinits, etc. to load and it's a royal pain in the ass. The kde environment is bloated and irritating for anyone who doesn't want to run the kde wm. The gtk and gnome apps have no such irritations. Think about what you're saying, you'd turn kde precisely into what we all hate about windows, a monopoly. A huge bloated mess where somebody up on high says, thou shalt do it this way and no other and the rest of us have to live with it. Frankly, I'm waiting with baited breath for more mainstream qt4 apps to come out that aren't tied to kde. VLC has already done that and it's such an improvement over the wxwidgets interface.
I used to run the kde 3.5 code on Mac OS X sometimes from raccoon fink's blog. I did this because I liked using the fish protocol in konqueror, it made secure file transfer really easy. OS X has that nice X11 app that does everything an X11 WM does. I don't run it any more though because fuse and sshfs pretty much made this unnecessary.
<rant>P.S. Not to mention that somebody at kde decided that konqueror should be a web browser and not a file manager. I'll never understand this... from my perspective they had some software that was a very mediocre web browser but what was in my opinion, the best file manager in existence and they threw out the file manager. For one thing, those two functions should never be in the same software, you can thank Microsoft and leveraging its monopoly for that particular monstrosity, but something is obviously wrong with the kde development process if they're making decisions like this. It's no wonder that kde4 turned out so badly.*grumble grumble*</rant>
What you're describing is that it's a good idea that Microsoft to teach children to sing like Barney. Listen to that music, it's nearly the same as in Songsmith. I argue that teaching children to have poor taste in music is not a service to them, or the rest of us.
Won't somebody please think of the children?!
Also, if you look at the trend in Microsoft Windows "market share" estimated by people like Net Applications, you can see that the decline of Windows started long before the housing bubble deflated. They were still being rated at 96% of the market in 2004 and 2005 and have been in what looks like continuous decline ever since. Granted, it's not much of a decline yet, only 7% or so according to Net Applications, but it does serve as evidence that Microsoft's troubles did not start with the economic crisis, the economic crisis may have compounded their existing troubles though.
There was no working together because from what a little bird told me, the entire white house IT infrastructure is being replaced. I think, in the second term of Bush Jr. things were allowed to stagnate and rather than go around updating the old PCs, they felt the best thing to do is scratch it and start over. Small wonder there's delays then.
That's a good point and I think you're right, in some of the more reasonable states there's a "fitness of purpose" or "merchantability" lemon rule for cars. Also, we can return a bad or just badly made toaster to the store if we want to. Why don't we have such things as an implied merchantability or a right of return for software? The EULA comes to mind as one obstacle, since often they say that there is no suitability or fitness of purpose when it comes to software. Meh... maybe what we need is some government oversight into computing practices that would ban EULAs, but this would require a congress and administration that stops viewing the protection of corporate profits as its primary goal and protection of the consumers as secondary. Where's Ralph Nader when you need him?
Maybe they should take more interest in their computers than their toaster. When was the last time someone stayed up all night trying to get their toaster to work?* If they're so smart maybe they should wake up and take the time to learn a little more about what they're buying.
After dealing with these situations time and time again I resolved that I will gladly help my friends and family in any computer problem in any way shape or form just so long as the operating system has nothing to do with Microsoft. If it's Windows, they're on their own. In practice, I do still help them if there is no one else who can help, but I make sure I tell them clearly that they should invest in an Apple next time if they want my continued help, or if they have some computer knowledge but don't know all the ins and outs, I give them an Ubuntu DVD and a coupon for a lifetime of free linux support.
*Attempted linux installations excepted.
Q: "i can't imagine MS would be THAT stupid to ignore such obvious common sense in the face of such steep competition. can they really be that out of touch? are they intentionally trying to fail?"
A: "Well, I think you know the answer to that."
Apple is STILL expanding sales of it's main products: ipod, iphones and computers even in the worst financial quarter in the last decade or so. Astounding. Is it marketing? Is it his Jobs-ness? Is it mostly good, well researched products? Is it all of the above? Probably the latter.
Regardless, I wish those laid off at any company good luck in finding a new position. It's a sorry thing since this crisis was probably avoidable by people less blinded by ideology, but then again, most everyone was blinded by the magic of the market so maybe it wasn't.
Oh shit, oops, I got the wrong guy! That's what I get for posting before my morning coffee. Sorry about that. I did know that that ZFS was in snow leopard, but Schwartz claimed it was to be the default for 10.5, regular leopard.
Not to mention that McNealy is a blabbermouth who tends to exaggerate. Remember when he claimed that "ZFS will be the file system for OS X"? The reality was a little different, Apple supported ZFS but it was by no means the default file system.
From that alone, you can tell he reads slashdot.
The second best quote from TFA:
Kudos on reaching the self-sustainable mark Mr. Shuttleworth! Let's hope you really do make the world a better, more free, place.
In the immortal words of John Prine...
Now you've done it! Just couldn't keep your mouth shut for one and a half more hours could you? No matter, your little prognostication will not affect the outcome.
Dude (or lady-dude).... wtf is a "change agent"? Are you being paid to write marketing-speak or are you just doing it subconsciously? Either way, it's fucking creepy.
(No offense to you or Kundra, I actually like quite a lot the idea of moving away from MS Office for government documents. As for the choice of google apps over something else, well... Openoffice is just a let-down, I've tried sticking up for it again and again, but I can't keep that up any more. So what other option is there? I can only think of koffice or the gnome office suite. Both of those are more or less practically limited to linux and mac os X.)
Yeah, that's right. The difference between the broken window fallacy (or burglary as the OP suggested) is that in the case of burglary, the the person robbed is losing some income by having to replace the stolen items, or losing some income to replace the broken window. Despite what they claim, with P2P the media companies are not losing any income when someone pirates something, they just aren't making any more profit. Just because someone makes an unauthorized copy of the ones and zeros of some media, it doesn't mean the media company loses the ones and zeros that they created. If you could shut down pirating, the media companies might make some more income due to the lost sales, but this study suggests otherwise, there wouldn't be any increase in sales because people who pirate buy just as much or more crap, er...products, as those who don't.
Trolling again on slashdot are we Mr. Gates? If you had been paying attention, you would have known about it, since it was all over the internet when it happened.