The good thing? The same that saying that (for example) is a good thing getting technology X or Z ported to Linuzz (wherever it comes from). Does not compute. Also, I'm still missing the "Linuzz" thing, but that's beside the point.
It's about what OS advocates tell all the time: about "freedom" (whatever that is). http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
.net and silverlight (2 examples from the top of my head) is great technology that can't be ignored and having it ported and fully integrated with Linuzzz is a great options. I guess you didn't read the link to the Mono Project? And Silverlight is already described by M$ as being "cross-platform and cross-browser". What more do you want?!
Some purists like you won't be "contaminated" with anything from Redmond, but non-religious people will be glad with this. It's not about the Microsoft software. It's about M$ patent bullies trying desperately to destroy free software.
Please don't reply back until you understand what FOSS is about, and why we're against what M$ is doing. The art of debate is knowing your opponent's points better than they do.
For MS, they are actually rising theit contact with the Open Source movement They've had plenty of contact, in the form of veiled threats, lawsuits, technology theivery, etc. Or, if you prefer my non-(-1: Troll) reply to that statement, I would say: they've been working in and around OS environments for years now.
and this will lead to an integration of their technology (like.net, silverlight and others) to Linuzzz. I'm missing where that's a Good Thing. Most software in use in the corporate environment is not.NET powered, nor does it need to be. Besides, we already have Mono; what exactly are you looking for?
For linuzz, this is actually an oportunity to raise their "status" for Joe Average, that doesn't even know what the hell Linuzzz is. This could also be an opportinity for Linuzzz to get a change to update it's desktop technology and maybe even get a little commercial help. Yes, because Microsoft is helping get Linux to the end user. That's the purpose of this campaign. Silly me for missing that. As far as updating it's technology, I guess you haven't noticed that the Beryl Project puts AeroGlass to shame in both stability and features, Beagle has a faster, more efficient engine than Vista's search capabilities, and... I could go on, but the point isn't to start fanboy wars. It's to say that Linux needs help from Microsoft the way a capsized seaman needs help from a pool of sharks: he'll get out of the water, but not in one piece.
You're probably just being your namesake, pair-a-noyd. By the way, I just noticed a new package is available in my stable-supported channel: ms-bsod-import. I wonder what that means?
Was he any more interested when you mentioned he could get a life sentence for piracy, or even "attempting"it?
Just because it isn't generally noticed that an impending destruction of certain civil liberties by an anti-democratic, overpowered lobbying corporate interest is at hand, does not mean that we should sit on our thumbs. Grass-roots movements don't start with the masses; they go to them. Have we forgotten how "power to the people" works already?
Most definitely. I've been wrong before, but I'd be really suprised if we don't see more and more hobbyists migrate to Eclipse and other open-source IDEs, only because of bull like this... if there's one community that gets really pissed off by licensing nonsense and legal garbage, it's the developer's community. We have enough problems from our end-users without having to deal with FUD from our development platform creators...
Unfortunately, these days, a "standard" seems to mean to many people a rubber stamping of some idea that some committee or engineers cooked up, with little or no practical usage. W3C is guilty of that, and ECMA even more so. Your ideas intrigue me and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Seriously, though, that is the truth: many standards have become these cut-out-of-the-mold pipe dreams that, while they have definite possible strengths, lack solid testing and real-world integration. It seems the rush these days is to get X idea standardized, instead of getting X idea actually used and useful. A byproduct of the patent rush/I'll-sue-you-for-knitting-the-same-color-sock s-as-me age?
When you see the ads for that really good deal on memory, monitors, or whatever, you can be sure the inventory of each store is way under what they expect demand to be. What happens when you have your heart set on that shiny new 20" LCD monitor for only $299, but you arrive and only the $375 21" models are left? Are you strong enough to resist?
Because they're required to make ALL ATMs accessible, due to some legislation resulting from a flurry of greedy lawsuits tied to the Americans with Disabilities Act. Want to make a Diebold accountant weep? Ask him how much money the company spends complying with ADA regulations.
I did not intend to classify what HP did as excusable or good; my only point was that the FUDspread caused by people with an agenda against corporate America and an utter lack of knowledge is virulent and obnoxious.
Yes, if you are a publicly traded company, you have an obligation to be honest about your dealings to your investors.
Although, sometimes I pine for a true "caveat emptor" system when it comes to privately traded companies, if only because less bureaucratic, thousand page red tape parades exchanged for a system just like one used between two private parties (think: you buy from me on eBay and I send you an empty box) might make the whole process more simple and fair.
No offense to the Parent, but why is it that 5982755979585 people post the obligatory outrage of corporate America posts, and not one of them reflects any actual knowledge of TFA? While it's an important issue, it doesn't really affect you or me that much...
Federal securities laws require a public company to disclose - by making a public filing with the Commission - the circumstances of the disagreement if a director resigns because of a disagreement with the company on any matter relating to its operations, policies or practices. Notwithstanding this requirement, HP did not make the mandated disclosures, instead reporting only the fact that Mr. Perkins had stepped down. The Commission found Mr. Perkins' disagreement related to HP's corporate governance and HP's policies regarding the handling of sensitive information, and therefore was a disagreement related to HP's operations, policies or practices which was required to be disclosed. Sorry for quoting a whole paragraph; I know that's more than many/.'ers care to read from TFA.
Relax, people. It's sunny today, and you don't have.0000001% of the insane red-tape restrictions on you a publicly traded company does.
When you are a financial institution, it's your responsibility to make sure the money is handled properly. That's not always fair, but life isn't always fair.
No, I don't think poor people ought to die.
And you're only partially correct. You're missing the thousands of free clinics and gov't programs that are exploited every day by illegals.
Precursor: They are ILLEGAL immigrants. Do you understand what the word "illegal" means? Look, I'm sorry that children suffer because of their criminal parents. Very sorry. It's very sad when innocent children are harmed because of the crimes of their family.
Show me a legal immigrant to this country, someone who has gone through the proper channels, who is being deprived of their rights and I'll be outraged.
I'm sorry, but I have to reply to ronadams' ignorant post. I happen to work in a preschool where a number of students might be considered "illegal". In my experience working with these families, they come here for generally one reason: work. I never said they didn't come here to work. I argued they came here to work and receive benefits not due them. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
Last time I checked, housing here in the U.S. isn't "free" at all. In fact, some families in this type of situation are more suceptible to abuse due to having to settle for unwritten and informal rental contracts. If you go to the right organizations, tell the right lies, or know the right people, you get section 8 housing at no cost for 6 months, and very little cost after that. Don't believe me? I'd love to take you on a drive near downtown Cincinnati, where I can show you illegal immigrants living in section 8 housing. (And no, I don't just think they're illegal because they're Mexicans.)
As for health care, more than a few families from Mexico, if possible, return to have medical procedures done because of lower cost. And many of them go to emergency rooms (forcing hospitals to eat the costs) and free gov't funded clinics (forcing Americans to eat the costs)
In terms of taxes, ronadams also conveniently leaves out taxes paid on things like food, clothing, and services. I'm sorry. They pay no income taxes; which are by far the largest share of taxes which support the infrastructure they burden. Happy now?
Of course, by not being citizens they have no say at all on how they are taxed or how such dollars are used. Please, for the sake of my sanity, don't tell me you really believe people who enter this country illegally should be allowed to vote.
Really, some people should actually have some experience or knowledge of the issues involved before making such bigoted posts. I consult for a home rehab company that has to compete with companies that use illegal labor and pay no payroll tax costs (meaning their total cost of employment is less than minimum wage). So yes, I know a little something about the unfairness of illegal immigration. Also, as an American citizen paying taxes I gain a little more experience each April 14th.
BTW, do you ever notice how every so often issues are brought forth in popular American discussion regarding groups with little or no voice in politics (immigration, same sex marriage, issues of race and class). Kinda makes you think... About what? Do other countries not talk about people in the minority? Also, a homosexual, LEGAL immigrant, or any other LEGAL citizen gets (or should get) the same vote I do. As an American, it's my pleasure and responsibility to mutually uphold that freedom.
I embrace ID and am responsible for the design of a product, and assisting others in designing and manufacturing theirs. So that's not the real point.
But you did hit on it, though: we can disagree about the scientific arguments around ID and still be decent human beings who positively impact society.
When you start denying something for which their is indisputable first hand proof, and more, such a travesty of history, you become not only universally illogical but quite dangerous, for the reasons the Parent stated in his last paragraph.
The software Google wrote replaces the 404 page. There's no mention in TFA or elsewhere that it "allows Google to track every website you visit". Regarding the removal via the control panel interface, that's Dell's end, not Google's. The program has an uninstall entry in Add/Remove Programs.
I would like you to do something for me: find a Holocaust survivor, look into their aging eyes, full of more painful, horrific memories than you can ever imagine, and tell them that you believe the propagation of evolution and arguing of scientifically unprovable points is more important than countering the blatant lies of anyone that would deny the Holocaust.
Because it's going to rain hellfire back on me, I'll clarify #8: it depends on the situation, and the service agreement with the merchant. Yes, in some cases the merchant can foot the bill for bad transactions, but if they've got a lawyer and some time, they never will. Nor, IMHO, should they. The burden of security should be on the issuer, not the receiver of the payment. Obviously, if a merchant is knowingly accepting fraudulent payments, that's a whole other matter...
Sorry, doesn't work that way. I'm not sure where you're getting the "7 years" from (perhaps bankruptcy laws in your state), but I can tell you from personal experience on both sides of the fence (that is, being frauded and working for a company that handled a fraud case) that the process is not as you describe it. Here's what actually happens:
You get hax00rred.
1337 H4X00R spends money at a few dozen online stores.
Profit!!!...sorry, couldn't resist.
You find a gigantor balance on your card, and call the financial institution who issued the card.
They transfer you to the fraud department, where you sit on hold for 15 minutes and get to listen to choice cuts from Phil Collins: The Early Years
Someone picks up, you tell them there's been some purchases on your card that aren't yours. They record the information, and fax you a form to fill out.
You fill out the form and fax it back, after plugging in the fax machine you only keep around to fill out credit card fraud reports.
5-10 business days (called this because business' use these terms when 13-15 days sounds too long)later, the balance is restored on your account, the institution eats the costs and files it with the IRS as lost profits to get a little of that alleviated.
Your account number is changed and a new card is rushed to you (because every minute you're without a card, they are without your ever-increasing interest money).
A notation is put on the account, just in case you claim another dozen or two of these cases in the future, sometime after your bar tabs run a little high...
Companies that issue credits and/or debits see a lot of these cases, so the process is pretty well oiled.
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.net and silverlight (2 examples from the top of my head) is great technology that can't be ignored and having it ported and fully integrated with Linuzzz is a great options. I guess you didn't read the link to the Mono Project? And Silverlight is already described by M$ as being "cross-platform and cross-browser". What more do you want?! Some purists like you won't be "contaminated" with anything from Redmond, but non-religious people will be glad with this. It's not about the Microsoft software. It's about M$ patent bullies trying desperately to destroy free software. Please don't reply back until you understand what FOSS is about, and why we're against what M$ is doing. The art of debate is knowing your opponent's points better than they do.You're probably just being your namesake, pair-a-noyd. By the way, I just noticed a new package is available in my stable-supported channel: ms-bsod-import. I wonder what that means?
Interesting... what's changed since then? I mean, obviously case law and precedent, but why?
Save yourself SEC filings and more red tape fun by founding both as an S-Corporation. No stock, no Board of Directors, no public holdings.
Just because it isn't generally noticed that an impending destruction of certain civil liberties by an anti-democratic, overpowered lobbying corporate interest is at hand, does not mean that we should sit on our thumbs. Grass-roots movements don't start with the masses; they go to them. Have we forgotten how "power to the people" works already?
Most definitely. I've been wrong before, but I'd be really suprised if we don't see more and more hobbyists migrate to Eclipse and other open-source IDEs, only because of bull like this... if there's one community that gets really pissed off by licensing nonsense and legal garbage, it's the developer's community. We have enough problems from our end-users without having to deal with FUD from our development platform creators...
When you see the ads for that really good deal on memory, monitors, or whatever, you can be sure the inventory of each store is way under what they expect demand to be. What happens when you have your heart set on that shiny new 20" LCD monitor for only $299, but you arrive and only the $375 21" models are left? Are you strong enough to resist?
Because they're required to make ALL ATMs accessible, due to some legislation resulting from a flurry of greedy lawsuits tied to the Americans with Disabilities Act. Want to make a Diebold accountant weep? Ask him how much money the company spends complying with ADA regulations.
I did not intend to classify what HP did as excusable or good; my only point was that the FUDspread caused by people with an agenda against corporate America and an utter lack of knowledge is virulent and obnoxious. Yes, if you are a publicly traded company, you have an obligation to be honest about your dealings to your investors. Although, sometimes I pine for a true "caveat emptor" system when it comes to privately traded companies, if only because less bureaucratic, thousand page red tape parades exchanged for a system just like one used between two private parties (think: you buy from me on eBay and I send you an empty box) might make the whole process more simple and fair.
When you are a financial institution, it's your responsibility to make sure the money is handled properly. That's not always fair, but life isn't always fair.
No, I don't think poor people ought to die. And you're only partially correct. You're missing the thousands of free clinics and gov't programs that are exploited every day by illegals.
Show me a legal immigrant to this country, someone who has gone through the proper channels, who is being deprived of their rights and I'll be outraged.
I'm sorry, but I have to reply to ronadams' ignorant post. I happen to work in a preschool where a number of students might be considered "illegal". In my experience working with these families, they come here for generally one reason: work. I never said they didn't come here to work. I argued they came here to work and receive benefits not due them. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. Last time I checked, housing here in the U.S. isn't "free" at all. In fact, some families in this type of situation are more suceptible to abuse due to having to settle for unwritten and informal rental contracts. If you go to the right organizations, tell the right lies, or know the right people, you get section 8 housing at no cost for 6 months, and very little cost after that. Don't believe me? I'd love to take you on a drive near downtown Cincinnati, where I can show you illegal immigrants living in section 8 housing. (And no, I don't just think they're illegal because they're Mexicans.) As for health care, more than a few families from Mexico, if possible, return to have medical procedures done because of lower cost. And many of them go to emergency rooms (forcing hospitals to eat the costs) and free gov't funded clinics (forcing Americans to eat the costs) In terms of taxes, ronadams also conveniently leaves out taxes paid on things like food, clothing, and services. I'm sorry. They pay no income taxes; which are by far the largest share of taxes which support the infrastructure they burden. Happy now? Of course, by not being citizens they have no say at all on how they are taxed or how such dollars are used. Please, for the sake of my sanity, don't tell me you really believe people who enter this country illegally should be allowed to vote. Really, some people should actually have some experience or knowledge of the issues involved before making such bigoted posts. I consult for a home rehab company that has to compete with companies that use illegal labor and pay no payroll tax costs (meaning their total cost of employment is less than minimum wage). So yes, I know a little something about the unfairness of illegal immigration. Also, as an American citizen paying taxes I gain a little more experience each April 14th. BTW, do you ever notice how every so often issues are brought forth in popular American discussion regarding groups with little or no voice in politics (immigration, same sex marriage, issues of race and class). Kinda makes you think... About what? Do other countries not talk about people in the minority? Also, a homosexual, LEGAL immigrant, or any other LEGAL citizen gets (or should get) the same vote I do. As an American, it's my pleasure and responsibility to mutually uphold that freedom.Yes, I discovered that after research. My bad for the redundant source. The Snopes article was really the meat, though.
I embrace ID and am responsible for the design of a product, and assisting others in designing and manufacturing theirs. So that's not the real point. But you did hit on it, though: we can disagree about the scientific arguments around ID and still be decent human beings who positively impact society. When you start denying something for which their is indisputable first hand proof, and more, such a travesty of history, you become not only universally illogical but quite dangerous, for the reasons the Parent stated in his last paragraph.
I can't understand how FUD like this made it to /., of all places...
Please submit your "are you new here?" obligatory responses promptly.
The software Google wrote replaces the 404 page. There's no mention in TFA or elsewhere that it "allows Google to track every website you visit". Regarding the removal via the control panel interface, that's Dell's end, not Google's. The program has an uninstall entry in Add/Remove Programs.
I would like you to do something for me: find a Holocaust survivor, look into their aging eyes, full of more painful, horrific memories than you can ever imagine, and tell them that you believe the propagation of evolution and arguing of scientifically unprovable points is more important than countering the blatant lies of anyone that would deny the Holocaust.
Prefer their equivalent of CNN then? http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2 048161,00.html
Or, if you like:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-2339118 8-details/Teachers+drop+the+Holocaust+to+avoid+off ending+Muslims/article.do
But really, let's cut straight to the point:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/holocaust. asp
Because it's going to rain hellfire back on me, I'll clarify #8: it depends on the situation, and the service agreement with the merchant. Yes, in some cases the merchant can foot the bill for bad transactions, but if they've got a lawyer and some time, they never will. Nor, IMHO, should they. The burden of security should be on the issuer, not the receiver of the payment. Obviously, if a merchant is knowingly accepting fraudulent payments, that's a whole other matter...
Companies that issue credits and/or debits see a lot of these cases, so the process is pretty well oiled.
Nice try, but when you're a large vendor such as Dell, it doesn't work that way. Refer to MSFT's partner program (50,000 points or more).
Nah, they just shipped one for each of the three Linux users in the common marketplace who would buy a pre-built machine.