are they going to enforce all the current browsers to support it fully and correctly as well?
or will some browsers go their own way with "extensions" and "implementations" specific to their own system like every time. Fixed.
No, the W3C has no authority or ability to enforce it. Browsers will do what they do. Hopefully, what they do is at least in the general neighborhood of the standards. Rules were made to be broken, and Web Standards were made to be bastardized by incompatible browsers.
There was an interesting discussion about this in the xml-dev mailing list. Rick Jelliffe had this to say:
XML was developed as a subset of SGML. Most of the ISO working group
which looked after SGML were also involved with the creation of XML
(Clark, Kimber, Bosak, also Goldfarb, Peterson, me, and others). The
correction for SGML came out before XML was finally put as a
recommendation (AFAIR) so there never was a time when XML was not a true
subset of SGML.
Where there were differences, ISO8879 was corrected specifically to
make sure that XML was indeed a subset. In fact, Charles Goldfarb even
said at one stage "XML *is* the revision of SGML" (debate on the
revision of ISO 8879 had started years before: XML was the embodyment of
that). XML can be argued as both the revision to and a subset of SGML. Hence my disappointment in anything new that seems to shy away from this path, like HTML 5 instead of XHTML.
TFA makes several great points about how this seeming sentiment of "we'll stick with the HTML we know and love" is more an unwillingness to change than it is to update a standard. The whole idea of XHTML was to provide a segueway into an altogether new way of distributing content. This really seems a regression more than anything. What does XHTML fail to deliver that would cause WC3 to shy away from the previously hardline (and appropriate, IMHO) stance of "this is the new HTML, get used to it"?
From TFA:
Google is hoping to unite the information mishmash by encouraging mashup developers to package the creations into mini-applications called "mapplets" that will be posted under the "My Maps" section of Google's Web site. It will be interesting to see what the TOS for mapplets will be, and how this might effect existing mashups. Already there are mashups used to generate profit for companies, and mashups that require paid access to use. Will Google attempt to swallow all mashups via centralization, and perhaps making it very difficult to create future mashups except through this forthcoming service?
In other words, is Google trying to corner the mashup market?
Let's get it all out now:/. Commenter A: In Soviet Russia, space program participates in YOU!/. Commenter B: I, for one, welcome our new simulated astronaut overlords/. Commenter A, C, D-K inclusive: I'm a simulated astronaut, you insensitive clod!
Except that I don't want to pay for OS X if I'm just going to use it for a FOSS OS... another user did point out, quite correctly as I found, that you could just purchase a Dell with FreeDOS for businesses... why, why, why.
Except if you're looking for FOSS OS laptop, where do you take it? Even most custom build places push Windows to every system.
This is a real disappointment. Is Dell trying to avoid supporting these machines in a corporate environment? That's half-assed support, and Dell should be held accountable for it. Either stand behind your product, with the disclaimer that Linux-based may not work for everyone, or don't sell the damn things at all.
What happens on the day that you become homeless and no longer have an address to register with to vote?
They can use the address of a homeless shelter they are staying at as their legal address, provided they follow the shelter's sign-in rules, which vary from shelter to shelter.
What happens on that day if the reason you're homeless is because the government abused their position and usurped your land for whatever eminent domain project they had in mind, and failed or significantly delayed your relocation? Would you not want the ability to have a say on whether or not the government officials should remain in office? Ever voted when you're in the middle of relocating? It's actually easy. Even if you don't know what your new address will be, you can still use your old one for a period of time. The second time I voted I was in the process of moving, and it wasn't hard to set up at all.
Besides, we can have a nation of 'fair legal rules' that is assisted by 'the benevolence of other people'. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive, despite your commentary. +5 Insightful.
It costs resources to be an American citizen. You're not paying to vote; you're paying to cover the cost of infrastructure. What should happen? Should you pay for everyone elses' IDs out of your taxes, or should everyone contribute their fair share?
As I said in my OP, many organizations will help those who really can't afford it. I can't tell you how many times I've bought an ID or paid a similar fee for someone.
As someone who co-founded a homeless outreach group, I can tell you that, at least by Ohio law:
They can use the address of a homeless shelter they are staying at as their legal address, provided they follow the shelter's sign-in rules, which vary from shelter to shelter.
They can get a picture ID for $10, if they have a social security card (which they can get for free.
There are organizations that will help homeless people who are interested do all of these things, even to the point of fronting the fee for the picture ID, which they often must have for some treatment programs anyway (especially those that involve paid-for housing).
I'm missing how this bill voices anything but confidence and increased accountability in the American voting process. I understand you're reflecting your frustration with the blanket veto on accountability in our Gov't, but this is one issue that might just get enough steam about it to push through. After all, how many politicians would be keen to put away rumors that they won an election unfairly? Now they can make the token gestures of promoting increased accountability without having to answer to anything past in particular.
I actually think we may see more opposition to the open-source voting machine concept from companies like Diebold and other voting machine manufacturers. This harkens to memory the fuss Scott Ritchie raised about Australia switching from an open source voting software to a closed one. There's some great information in that story about the dangers of closed-source voting software, and its impact on what is supposed to be a democratic process.
A shuttle launch is an amazing work of technology. So, no, it's really great that it's major news. [flamebait answer]What's wrong? Not enough carnage or NASCAR for you?[/flamebait answer]
The average home user's Windows install is infested with spyware. I maintain several Windows boxes for clients, and I can tell you the only way to keep them clear is to regularly sweep for spyware, rootkits, viruses, and trojans. My point was that an executable on Windows has full rights to the system. That's insecure by definition.
Except that Windows XP's default install leaves the whole system completely open to attack, because there is no withholding of Administrator privileges.
You know, it didn't HAVE to take 5 seconds to queue the comments... it could very easily be scientifically explained how the comments came about in only.5 seconds... you're so narrow-minded.
It was meant to be humorous, more than anything. The point of the statement was to address El Lobo's attitude that everything Microsoft creates must be a standard, and everything Linux creates must be a "clone", incompatible, unpopular piece of software. I could have easily replaced that with MS-IIS,.NET, etc...
I didn't say he would change his mind. I said it addressed the issues he brought up. At no point did I say that reading the FSF or GNU pages would make him change; I only proposed that they answered the questions/issues he has. If he doesn't agree with the concept AFTER reading and understanding it, then that is of course his freewill choice.
...it contains the answers to the questions you asked, and the responses to the "arguments" you submitted. If you're unwilling to actually research an opposing viewpoint, then you really do deserve the litany of -1 Troll/Flamebait mods you have received.
Calm down. Let me put some things in perspective for you:
Linux never claimed to not have its origins in UNIX. That's always been one of its selling points, actually.
Cashflow into an idea or (in this case) a software platform is a Good Thing, if the software remains "free". You REALLY need to read the links I posted, and think about what other people here are saying, instead of firing off your WTF-cannons.
Linuzzz does not sound like Linux, is not witty, and takes too long to type. I hope you don't work in marketing.
For someone who isn't a "purist", you really seem to love M$, even if their solution isn't the best one... (incidentally, show me all the programs/sites in the world using Silverlight. Now show me all the sites in the world using LAMP. Oh, thanks.)
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No, the W3C has no authority or ability to enforce it. Browsers will do what they do. Hopefully, what they do is at least in the general neighborhood of the standards. Rules were made to be broken, and Web Standards were made to be bastardized by incompatible browsers.
TFA makes several great points about how this seeming sentiment of "we'll stick with the HTML we know and love" is more an unwillingness to change than it is to update a standard. The whole idea of XHTML was to provide a segueway into an altogether new way of distributing content. This really seems a regression more than anything. What does XHTML fail to deliver that would cause WC3 to shy away from the previously hardline (and appropriate, IMHO) stance of "this is the new HTML, get used to it"?
I, for one, welcome our new Web 2.0 Buzzword Overlords.
Sure thing: Yahoo users discuss and test anti-troll measures.
Imagine a mobile Beowulf Cluster of these...
Let's get it all out now: /. Commenter A: In Soviet Russia, space program participates in YOU! /. Commenter B: I, for one, welcome our new simulated astronaut overlords /. Commenter A, C, D-K inclusive: I'm a simulated astronaut, you insensitive clod!
Except that I don't want to pay for OS X if I'm just going to use it for a FOSS OS... another user did point out, quite correctly as I found, that you could just purchase a Dell with FreeDOS for businesses... why, why, why.
Except if you're looking for FOSS OS laptop, where do you take it? Even most custom build places push Windows to every system. This is a real disappointment. Is Dell trying to avoid supporting these machines in a corporate environment? That's half-assed support, and Dell should be held accountable for it. Either stand behind your product, with the disclaimer that Linux-based may not work for everyone, or don't sell the damn things at all.
As I said in my OP, many organizations will help those who really can't afford it. I can't tell you how many times I've bought an ID or paid a similar fee for someone.
I actually think we may see more opposition to the open-source voting machine concept from companies like Diebold and other voting machine manufacturers. This harkens to memory the fuss Scott Ritchie raised about Australia switching from an open source voting software to a closed one. There's some great information in that story about the dangers of closed-source voting software, and its impact on what is supposed to be a democratic process.
Please queue: Will it run on Linux?
Right, except it works two ways. Bugmenot can be abused to allow circumvention of a company's internet security policies as well.
A shuttle launch is an amazing work of technology. So, no, it's really great that it's major news. [flamebait answer]What's wrong? Not enough carnage or NASCAR for you?[/flamebait answer]
The average home user's Windows install is infested with spyware. I maintain several Windows boxes for clients, and I can tell you the only way to keep them clear is to regularly sweep for spyware, rootkits, viruses, and trojans. My point was that an executable on Windows has full rights to the system. That's insecure by definition.
Except that Windows XP's default install leaves the whole system completely open to attack, because there is no withholding of Administrator privileges.
You know, it didn't HAVE to take 5 seconds to queue the comments... it could very easily be scientifically explained how the comments came about in only .5 seconds... you're so narrow-minded.
It was meant to be humorous, more than anything. The point of the statement was to address El Lobo's attitude that everything Microsoft creates must be a standard, and everything Linux creates must be a "clone", incompatible, unpopular piece of software. I could have easily replaced that with MS-IIS, .NET, etc...
I didn't say he would change his mind. I said it addressed the issues he brought up. At no point did I say that reading the FSF or GNU pages would make him change; I only proposed that they answered the questions/issues he has. If he doesn't agree with the concept AFTER reading and understanding it, then that is of course his freewill choice.
...it contains the answers to the questions you asked, and the responses to the "arguments" you submitted. If you're unwilling to actually research an opposing viewpoint, then you really do deserve the litany of -1 Troll/Flamebait mods you have received.
Can you do me a huge favor and not type another word on your keyboard without reading this: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html? Thanks.
- Linux never claimed to not have its origins in UNIX. That's always been one of its selling points, actually.
- Cashflow into an idea or (in this case) a software platform is a Good Thing, if the software remains "free". You REALLY need to read the links I posted, and think about what other people here are saying, instead of firing off your WTF-cannons.
- Linuzzz does not sound like Linux, is not witty, and takes too long to type. I hope you don't work in marketing.
- For someone who isn't a "purist", you really seem to love M$, even if their solution isn't the best one... (incidentally, show me all the programs/sites in the world using Silverlight. Now show me all the sites in the world using LAMP. Oh, thanks.)
Have a friendly, non-FUD-filled day.