Tho, I don't buy the overall conclusion of Suck's predictions for Linux and the community. I use Red Hat distros at home and work - get paid for using Linux and maintaining it, and I try to keep my admin skills up on Linux so's I can get paid more later to work on more better bigger Linux boxen. So, I've been making money - sort of - from Linux for the past two years. Unfortunately I can't code well enough to give back that way, but I try to in others.
Okay, so Bob and some folks at Red Hat are getting filthy rich 'cause they have a Linux-based company and went public; maybe VA and Linuxcare will follow the lead. So what? People will make money, all things being equal. Even RMS said making money from free software ain't a sin. So, what's the point Suck is trying to make here? I mean Linus is making good money because of Linux, in an indirect way, and he hasn't changed into a greedy capitalist running dog, now has he?
I think the fella that wrote the article sort of understands Linux and what it has become, but he sounds like he doesn't get it.
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I have to agree. I haven't been reading/. lately, but today I've been browsing most of the stories, and I'm thinking that ol' BG and his gang are all over the comments. Must be desperate times on the MS campus. Get out and astroturf when you can't produce good product. Hey, it's worked so far, now hasn't it?
"And while a young Gates labeled fellow programmers "thieves" for copying his mediocre code, the generous Torvalds freely shared his epiphany with the world. Which man and movement wins may decide technology's future."
Send these results along to your nearest politician with a straight face (virtual), and watch the fun begin! Sowing mass confusion in DC. Senator: "Well, I have this survey from Slashdot - a very respectable Geek web site - sent to me by many of my Internet-savvy constituents and the results show the World Wide Web is a good place."
I knew I should have kept that dead-tree InfoWorld. I think that's where I saw one of those big-assed adds from either IBM or some name company adverting a line of servers with Linux as an OS option along w/ NT. I looked at it and said, "Oh, well sure, they've been saying they would support Linux for a while." And didn't keep it.
Anyway, I have seen adds offering Linux, but I just can't recall whose ad? (poor little brain cells, crash, crash, crash:))
but it really seems to me that MS thought that it was asking for a nice gentlemanly round of fisticuffs w/ the crackers out there, but what it got instead was an alley fight. Quite a different thing when you're down and the fight doesn't stop.
Sure the weather must have been out-of-the-ordinary, but that really doesn't mean dick if you're serious about servers, at least in the real world outside of the MS campus.
Once again MS proves beyound a shadow of a doubt that it is basically a rank amature(sic) technology company that makes a Chinese fire drill look positively organized.
Shakes head. I just don't understand how people can still buy into ms's technology. I mean ms is touting wnt2k as the next thing in sliced bread - even mentioning enterprise, hint, hint; but the server they put out for heavy pounding gets whacked by thunderstorms!!!??
Jesus, I think I just walked through the looking glass, again.
From the trinux box in the corner, I can't even traceroute the site. Telnet doesn't even give a trying......Ping just sorta sits there. Huh, must of vanished:)
The funniest skit I ever saw, ever, was MP's 1812 Overture, played by the exploding orchestra. I've never laughed so hard since. We had a screening of the episode in one of our Lit classes in college - relating to surrealism in arts/media - the whole class was, quite literally, on the floor, helpless with laughter.
Control, control, control....that's the mantra of the gov't - or so it seems. This quote from the Reno letter really sums it up for me:
"While I recognize that this issue is controversial, unless we address this situation, use of the Internet to distribute encryption products will render Wassenaar's controls immaterial."
In other words, we don't have control here - the 'net - and all our fine speeches and multi-lateral accords mean dick. I find this both refreshing and worrying. Refeshing in that the 'net can pull and end-run on gov't stupidity; worrying 'cause some of the gov't airheads realize this.
happened to me when I went on a blind date (didn't work out at all). Anyway, there we were chatting about this and that. Got to the question, Well, what do you do for a living. When I said sysadmin, she kinda blinked and said nothing. Then I went on to explain that I do the companies web site and maintain its servers and mostly surf the web for new developments, etc - even mentioned/. heh.
She took a sip of here soda and said - you surf the internet for work!!!???
She just didn't get it at all. BTW, she's not a dummy - a registered nurse, has traveled overseas, has kids, etc. At first, this made me feel strange, but hey! I'm 'leet. That's why she didn't get it!:) (I'm kidding)
This ia a good example of how traditional ways of doing things just don't jibe with reality. Sure, some folks who participate in the IPO might loose some cash, but the almost instant response from the community to a practice that it deemed silly and not relevant and the reaction from the folks at e-trade really point out that business as usual doesn't always work with the OSS community. I'm stating the obvious, but I think it's pretty significant.
Did anyone else find this article particularly lame? I mean, this quote:
"But these were no ordinary lawyers. They had a second whole computer system ready to press their case. The bootlegger ran to another Web site, and the lawyers followed. Then the Internet Service Provider stepped in and shut the bootlegger down."
Gives me an oddly unsettling picture of caped-crusader 'net-savvy, cyber-clued geeky lawyers out to save the world (wide web) from the bad ol' Internet pirates in thier skull&crossbones black matte t-shirts. Jezzum. Makes me want to retch.
mortage: required credit check, employment check and maybe an anal probe or two.
credit card(s) credit check
home equity loan: credit/employment check, one anal probe.
leased car: credit check, employment check
monthly bills: check sent w/ bank name and acct number + home addy and phone
driver's license: photo id - hey, I still look like the picture!!! - finger print.
Lord knows where all this info is stored and who has access to it. Fer example. At the time I had enough equity in my house to get the equity loan, I started magically receiving boatloads of junk mail from people and orgs I had never heard of offering me up to 50K. Now, was that just coincidence? I don't think so. So, right now, this very moment, there is so much info on me out there that I almost feel like I'm on a billboard somewhere w/ all my financial vitals, work history, education and marital status listed right next to my blown-up driver's lic. pic. Maybe I'll just go ahead and get that barcode tatto.
Pretty much. Right now, since MS is being forced to play nice, is the window of opportunity for Linux for sure, but also for companies to really place solidly a business alternative to MS products. Otherwise, I believe your scenario is quite correct. I don't think you sound paranoid - just realistic.
Uh, not to get all pedantic on you, but the Greeks built the Trojan horse - inspired by Odysseus - because the horse was sacred to the Trojans - who they were fighting. The Greeks left the horse outside the walls of Troy. The Trojans brought it inside with great fanfare - the dummies - and that night the Greeks inside the horse jumped out, opended the gates, and let the rest of the Greek coalition in and slaughtered just about everyone. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts!:)
The fact that NT is a crackers wet dream come true is somewhat glossed over here. I mean, this quote from the MS camp is really great:
"Jason Garms, product manager for NT security at Microsoft, said the company will fix any known security vulnerabilities in its operating systems. "There's nothing wrong with [Microsoft] systems until Back Orifice is installed.In reality, [cDc] has produced code with malicious intent that targets users, not technology," (bolding mine)
Uh, yeah, right, so the BO stuff gets installed on users now, does it?
What bothers me is the subtle dig here at OSS development, really missing the point that if the target TECHNOLOGY wasn't so friggin full of holes, then there would be a lot fewer exploits - either in binary or open source form.
The article could have been a lot more honest by stating: "yeah, open source 'sploits make it a bit easier to mutate the buggers, but, hey, if MS wrote decent client and server software, we wouldn't be having this discussion."
The article reads like a description of work here - all except the free beer, no way the boss'd do that. The cost would be astronomical. Basically, though, the time you put in here is up to you. If a project is due, yeah, you stay late and hump, but if not, no one passes out if you leave at 5 or 6 peem. Verrry flexible. Nice people, decent projects, now if I could only get rid of the nt servers......heh.
BTW, I'm 45 and still learning. So, some of the stuff the article mentions is a bit generalized.
With the rampant spread of the cult of personality in the 'puter biz and other areas, it sure is nice to see someone as level-headed as Mr. Woz. He actually did something good for folks, made a good chunk of change, and opted out for a real life. Now that's something I'd like to do. I don't know that much about the man, other than what I've read here and anecdotes from time-to-time. But he sure seems to be a nicer fella than that Gates boy or Jobs or Larry E.
Sorry 'bout that...stupid enter key. Anyway, fwiw, my take on all this is that Mindcarft got caught, called on the carpet publicly, and really didn't do too much to dispel the over-all idea that they were just an MS shill. They also must have been living under a rock, in a cave, on an island with no 'net access NOT to know that publishing an MS-paid for report now, just when Linux is hitting the trade rags big time was going to piss a lot of people off real quick - I'm sure they were aware of the Holloween docs and the Linux community's response to them.
So, to publish a, to put it mildly, controversial report dissing Linux in favor of NT, they must have been the most naive group of people on the planet - or in the computer biz - to be surprised that the Mindcraft inbox would be full of less-than complimentary emails. I'm not saying that the flamage was justified, nor am I sure that Mindcraft is acting maturely in posting it. But they had to be aware that they were asking for trouble from the get-go. I do think pouting in public and selectively posting the emails of loons shows a distinct lack of class.
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Tho, I don't buy the overall conclusion of Suck's predictions for Linux and the community. I use Red Hat distros at home and work - get paid for using Linux and maintaining it, and I try to keep my admin skills up on Linux so's I can get paid more later to work on more better bigger Linux boxen. So, I've been making money - sort of - from Linux for the past two years. Unfortunately I can't code well enough to give back that way, but I try to in others.
Okay, so Bob and some folks at Red Hat are getting filthy rich 'cause they have a Linux-based company and went public; maybe VA and Linuxcare will follow the lead. So what? People will make money, all things being equal. Even RMS said making money from free software ain't a sin. So, what's the point Suck is trying to make here? I mean Linus is making good money because of Linux, in an indirect way, and he hasn't changed into a greedy capitalist running dog, now has he?
I think the fella that wrote the article sort of understands Linux and what it has become, but he sounds like he doesn't get it.
I have to agree. I haven't been reading /. lately, but today I've been browsing most of the stories, and I'm thinking that ol' BG and his gang are all over the comments. Must be desperate times on the MS campus. Get out and astroturf when you can't produce good product. Hey, it's worked so far, now hasn't it?
Damn! I sure wish I had the little coins to get there. Anyway, drink away and howl at the moon! (works for me)
"And while a young Gates labeled fellow programmers "thieves" for copying his mediocre code, the generous Torvalds freely shared his epiphany with the world. Which man and movement wins may decide technology's future."
Kinda sums up the whole sheebang.
Send these results along to your nearest politician with a straight face (virtual), and watch the fun begin! Sowing mass confusion in DC.
Senator: "Well, I have this survey from Slashdot - a very respectable Geek web site - sent to me by many of my Internet-savvy constituents and the results show the World Wide Web is a good place."
Chairman: "WTF?"
heee.
I knew I should have kept that dead-tree InfoWorld. I think that's where I saw one of those big-assed adds from either IBM or some name company adverting a line of servers with Linux as an OS option along w/ NT. I looked at it and said, "Oh, well sure, they've been saying they would support Linux for a while." And didn't keep it.
:))
Anyway, I have seen adds offering Linux, but I just can't recall whose ad? (poor little brain cells, crash, crash, crash
but it really seems to me that MS thought that it was asking for a nice gentlemanly round of fisticuffs w/ the crackers out there, but what it got instead was an alley fight. Quite a different thing when you're down and the fight doesn't stop.
Sure the weather must have been out-of-the-ordinary, but that really doesn't mean dick if you're serious about servers, at least in the real world outside of the MS campus.
Once again MS proves beyound a shadow of a doubt that it is basically a rank amature(sic) technology company that makes a Chinese fire drill look positively organized.
LOL! Thanks. Nice Friday morning laugh to end up a dull week.
But, I'm wondering about the variables that the programs will have to take into account re. driving "habits":
putting makeup on while driving == erractic
talking on cell-phone while driving == faster/slower than normal
screaming at the kid(s) in the waaaay back of the friggin min-van to "shut the hell up!" or "Do not touch him/her/them AGAIN!"
eating sloppy junk food while driving == crashes
smoking and dropping cigarette in lap == 20 car pile-up
etc.......
BTW, LANL must be the coolest place to work.
Shakes head. I just don't understand how people can still buy into ms's technology. I mean ms is touting wnt2k as the next thing in sliced bread - even mentioning enterprise, hint, hint; but the server they put out for heavy pounding gets whacked by thunderstorms!!!??
Jesus, I think I just walked through the looking glass, again.
From the trinux box in the corner, I can't even traceroute the site. Telnet doesn't even give a trying......Ping just sorta sits there. Huh, must of vanished :)
Is this a real error message from iis, or did someone get in? Now, if not, does this count as a hack of the site or just a DoS?
The funniest skit I ever saw, ever, was MP's 1812 Overture, played by the exploding orchestra. I've never laughed so hard since. We had a screening of the episode in one of our Lit classes in college - relating to surrealism in arts/media - the whole class was, quite literally, on the floor, helpless with laughter.
Control, control, control....that's the mantra of the gov't - or so it seems. This quote from the Reno letter really sums it up for me:
"While I recognize that this issue is controversial, unless we address this situation, use of the Internet to distribute encryption products will render Wassenaar's controls immaterial."
In other words, we don't have control here - the 'net - and all our fine speeches and multi-lateral accords mean dick. I find this both refreshing and worrying. Refeshing in that the 'net can pull and end-run on gov't stupidity; worrying 'cause some of the gov't airheads realize this.
happened to me when I went on a blind date (didn't work out at all). Anyway, there we were chatting about this and that. Got to the question, Well, what do you do for a living. When I said sysadmin, she kinda blinked and said nothing. Then I went on to explain that I do the companies web site and maintain its servers and mostly surf the web for new developments, etc - even mentioned /. heh.
She took a sip of here soda and said - you surf the internet for work!!!???
She just didn't get it at all. BTW, she's not a dummy - a registered nurse, has traveled overseas, has kids, etc. At first, this made me feel strange, but hey! I'm 'leet. That's why she didn't get it!:) (I'm kidding)
This ia a good example of how traditional ways of doing things just don't jibe with reality. Sure, some folks who participate in the IPO might loose some cash, but the almost instant response from the community to a practice that it deemed silly and not relevant and the reaction from the folks at e-trade really point out that business as usual doesn't always work with the OSS community. I'm stating the obvious, but I think it's pretty significant.
Did anyone else find this article particularly lame? I mean, this quote:
"But these were no ordinary lawyers. They had a second whole computer system ready to press their case. The bootlegger ran to another Web site, and the lawyers followed. Then the Internet Service Provider stepped in and shut the bootlegger down."
Gives me an oddly unsettling picture of caped-crusader 'net-savvy, cyber-clued geeky lawyers out to save the world (wide web) from the bad ol' Internet pirates in thier skull&crossbones black matte t-shirts. Jezzum. Makes me want to retch.
Sorry 'bout that. Wrong friggin story. What a morning.
Lesse:
mortage: required credit check, employment check and maybe an anal probe or two.
credit card(s) credit check
home equity loan: credit/employment check, one anal probe.
leased car: credit check, employment check
monthly bills: check sent w/ bank name and acct number + home addy and phone
driver's license: photo id - hey, I still look like the picture!!! - finger print.
Lord knows where all this info is stored and who has access to it. Fer example. At the time I had enough equity in my house to get the equity loan, I started magically receiving boatloads of junk mail from people and orgs I had never heard of offering me up to 50K. Now, was that just coincidence? I don't think so. So, right now, this very moment, there is so much info on me out there that I almost feel like I'm on a billboard somewhere w/ all my financial vitals, work history, education and marital status listed right next to my blown-up driver's lic. pic. Maybe I'll just go ahead and get that barcode tatto.
Pretty much. Right now, since MS is being forced to play nice, is the window of opportunity for Linux for sure, but also for companies to really place solidly a business alternative to MS products. Otherwise, I believe your scenario is quite correct. I don't think you sound paranoid - just realistic.
Uh, not to get all pedantic on you, but the Greeks built the Trojan horse - inspired by Odysseus - because the horse was sacred to the Trojans - who they were fighting. The Greeks left the horse outside the walls of Troy. The Trojans brought it inside with great fanfare - the dummies - and that night the Greeks inside the horse jumped out, opended the gates, and let the rest of the Greek coalition in and slaughtered just about everyone. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts!:)
The fact that NT is a crackers wet dream come true is somewhat glossed over here. I mean, this quote from the MS camp is really great:
"Jason Garms, product manager for NT security at Microsoft, said the company will fix any known security vulnerabilities in its operating systems. "There's nothing wrong with [Microsoft] systems until Back Orifice is installed.In reality, [cDc] has produced code with malicious intent that targets users, not technology," (bolding mine)
Uh, yeah, right, so the BO stuff gets installed on users now, does it?
What bothers me is the subtle dig here at OSS development, really missing the point that if the target TECHNOLOGY wasn't so friggin full of holes, then there would be a lot fewer exploits - either in binary or open source form.
The article could have been a lot more honest by stating: "yeah, open source 'sploits make it a bit easier to mutate the buggers, but, hey, if MS wrote decent client and server software, we wouldn't be having this discussion."
The article reads like a description of work here - all except the free beer, no way the boss'd do that. The cost would be astronomical. Basically, though, the time you put in here is up to you. If a project is due, yeah, you stay late and hump, but if not, no one passes out if you leave at 5 or 6 peem. Verrry flexible. Nice people, decent projects, now if I could only get rid of the nt servers......heh.
BTW, I'm 45 and still learning. So, some of the stuff the article mentions is a bit generalized.
With the rampant spread of the cult of personality in the 'puter biz and other areas, it sure is nice to see someone as level-headed as Mr. Woz. He actually did something good for folks, made a good chunk of change, and opted out for a real life. Now that's something I'd like to do. I don't know that much about the man, other than what I've read here and anecdotes from time-to-time. But he sure seems to be a nicer fella than that Gates boy or Jobs or Larry E.
Sorry 'bout that...stupid enter key. Anyway, fwiw, my take on all this is that Mindcarft got caught, called on the carpet publicly, and really didn't do too much to dispel the over-all idea that they were just an MS shill. They also must have been living under a rock, in a cave, on an island with no 'net access NOT to know that publishing an MS-paid for report now, just when Linux is hitting the trade rags big time was going to piss a lot of people off real quick - I'm sure they were aware of the Holloween docs and the Linux community's response to them.
So, to publish a, to put it mildly, controversial report dissing Linux in favor of NT, they must have been the most naive group of people on the planet - or in the computer biz - to be surprised that the Mindcraft inbox would be full of less-than complimentary emails. I'm not saying that the flamage was justified, nor am I sure that Mindcraft is acting maturely in posting it. But they had to be aware that they were asking for trouble from the get-go. I do think pouting in public and selectively posting the emails of loons shows a distinct lack of class.