Umm, Linux is the same way, developers have the freedom to write a closed source app for it. Which is good. Otherwise I wouldn't have matlab on linux. Which is an industry standard for many engineering applications. So this is really not too news worthy, Google has closed source apps and open source apps. Just because a company has some OSS apps, doesn't mean they can't defend the rest of their apps.
I think you under estimate the cost of software development, test, and validation. Could easily cost a few million. Also I doubt they are counting their savings based on the optimistic lifetime expectancy of the PS3. Especially since this is only a single hardware revision, and you'd have to factor the cost of maintaining the drivers across all revisions. Either way I doubt it saves you more than a few dollars, but thats alot considering the number of ps3 users that actually plan to do this,
Well since such a large portion of Vista is new completely rewritten code, I'd imagine it's going to be alot slower til the bugs are fixed up. Hopefully, if their architecture is better than XP as they say it is,... they'll only have to rewrite indivudal components,... I hope. Service Pack 2 for Vista could even double the speed if they get their act together. Hopefully by then people will realize that DRM sucks and MS can start removing some shit from their tubes. lol. then it might be comparable to XP maybe
I agree with you in the fact that Linus has complete control of the features that enter the linux kernel and you may be subject to his priorities. However I don't know how he would ban a country from using his software? Either way, forking the linux kernel isn't a viable alternative unless you're a team of highly skilled developers who want to dedicate a large portion of their lives keeping up with the linux kernel. As I see it there's no better alternative, Open Source doesn't mean the developer is your slave or is free to let anyone taint his software with bogus code or untested modules.
Although there are quite a few variations in how open source projects are managed, and some work better than others, however... I don't think it wise to criticise open source, for closed source projects can do this just as easily. I'm sure most open source projects would be willing to develop the features you need if you throw enough money their way. This is how much closed source works as well, as far as I know.
This in today- People wanting a secure server use Ubuntu Dapper Drake instead of Fiesty Fawn.
This isn't news, we hear stories of people using XP everyday on slashdot. I used Fiesty Fawn when it came out- it was still buggy as hell, wait for a few service packs, and maybe people will use it (referring to vista not Fiesty Fawn of course) . Just because another OS is better for mission critical apps, doesn't mean its more fun for the user. Otherwise I wouldn't be running KDE4 when it comes out. Which is sure to have at least a few bugs in minor apps for at least a year.
Well its not only flamebate, buts its also offtopic. Frontpage has almost nothing to do with TFA. Its also a very old program, and microsoft probably didn't put any extra work into it cause they new it sucked.
is there a reason sarcasm and complete disregard for my comments gets a +2 insightful?
"Yeh, they tried for 6 months to get some M$ games"
No, of the 4 people I put it on, none of them used that computer for gaming. In fact, only one of them played games at all, he used his laptop for classes and his desktop for games.
and with regard to your last statement, I've had my linux crash on me way more than i've gotten BSOD's. I've probably only gotten BSOD maybe 3 times in the past 2 years? I've had know or kde freeze up- prevent me from loggging in , crash to commandline, random update destroys xserver so it needs to be reconfigured.
you can go on and on about how windows sucks, but maybe just like i struggle with linux, maybe you just don't understand how to use windows.
At least on my laptop- which has 1gb Ram, integrated intel graphics, about a year old... is faster with vista than with ubuntu. or at least it seems that way - but as long as the user is happier it doesn't matter.
if you're going to reply to a comment - try doing so without making up my side of the story, and throwing around some misinformation and FUD. (yes, i know- that was redundant)
my point was,... the other "vague generalization" which was the completely opposite of mine wasn't necessarily true.
I read the forums every day, and i've seen way more comments along the lines of "my computers are 3 years old, or i have a pentium 2 thats still good, why do I need vista? - or you can pry my really old computer from my dead fingers, than i see anything describing slashdotters having brand new computers.
you forget many of the people who put linux on old computers do so to get extra performance out of their computers (this is a fact, and not a generalization).
i'm not saying that half the people here don't have core duo's- cause they proably do, but at least from what i've seen from the forums and me and my friends who use slashdot alot... we are content with rather older computers than most people up on campus.
I would think just the opposite./.'ers like to experiment with really low end hardware and see how streamlined they can get linux distros on their computer. Many of them enjoy using old hardware and have a distaste for fancy effects such as compiz or vista.
Yes but i have known countless people who've tried linux (and i don't mean a day or two, more like 6 months) and decided it wasn't good enough for them.
I personally gave up XP and have been using linux for 2 years on both my computers. I just recently switched to vista because i found it to be much more intuitive and stable. (and about 0 maintenence as well as i didn't have to do anything except install it, which took maybe 20 minutes)
Really, I switched from Open Office to Office 2007 after trying it. I found it much easier to find everything. Even after using openoffice for 4 years. Finding things such as formula variables and such in excel was truly amazing. I've never had trouble finding anything. At least for me, I found it very easy to do anything I needed. Same with Vista, previously hard to find commands have been moved to locations they make sense to be in the first place. I've tried going back to XP after using Vista and became very frustrated out of the difficulty of finding and installing drivers and countless other problems I don't even need to see in Vista, as Windows Updates finds and installs all your drivers without needing any user input. Most changes in Vista has most definately increased my productivity. I suppose to name my favorite changes would be the new networking stack, (wireless is much more reliable for me too), and the revamped file structure, which is alot more UNIX like and makes sense (as far as home folders go)
These people aren't complaining as much about the window decarations as much as the user interface and menu's. Vista's fairly consistent in this manner and doesn't change regardless of how much you pay. However if you are talking about aero, when you turn it on, everything matches the new decarations, when you do to classic everything will go to classic..... well except Mac OS ports.
Is this similar to the way video drivers in vista have been moved into user space? At least according to microsoft- this will actually speed up the drivers if implemented right, as opposed to slowing it down. Something about the cpu switching from protected mode to user mode or something. I do not know the details. If someone does- please contribute.
true- i probably wouldn't install it on anything less than a 20gb drive, thats the size of my partition i got vista on now, thats if you want to load apps on it of course- like visual studio or matlab
The difference is simple- for proprietary software in the US, people can skip the EULA because they say- if you are just using this software for yourself, you're fine.
Its not that he's doesn't want to agree not to use it illegally. Its the fact that at least in the US, using it IS illegal. Most software doesn't say in the EULA,--- well, if you are in the US , just using this in any way is illegal.
I don't give a shit- but you have to be stupid to compare a EULA to outright using codecs illegally.
except many of those competing distros spend most of their time and manpower repackaging software and customizing the configuration tools for the specific distro instead of furthering individual software projects as a whole. It seems the big guys are still they only ones that make significant contributions to the code. Small guys just waste time repackaging everything or making a new format- they've got drones of people just keeping up their own repositories
I agree, its not that these technologies never come out either, but the upstream technologies and research often take 6-10 years to be engineered into products. So the consumer doesn't see technology thats developed today until 2015 or so.
It says open source, you can use the same kernel, but configure it specific to the device you're using. Where did you get binary drivers from the description (an open source project Moblin). No, I did not RTFA.
Well from what I've read alot of rewritten code in the vista kernel has been rewritten to be more threaded. Hence the benchmarks that show vista is 40% faster than XP on a core duo. I believe that over time, code will be phased out as components are rewritten to support multithreading. For different parts of the operating system it may take longer than others, and substantial rewrite may cause a number of bugs like vista is struggling with now (I have faith they'll be cleaned up nicely after a few service packs). But overall- if the need is there, someone will improve the OS's like linux or such to have pervasive multithreading. I'm sure some big companies like IBM might like to invest in getting this work done. We'll all see with time though.
Hmmm, over 5 years? OK so you try to make a point while knowing the facts on only one side. You're obviously spreading a little FUD by making readers assume microsoft through this idea together recently, although they started working on it in 2001. While, according to your statements at least, they had an already finished product by then, then microsoft may be implementing their own vision of this product. However, why should microsoft be excluded from making a product. What do you mean by original, something noone has ever thought of? I didn't see anything about device recognition in your link, while moving data from digital cameras or laptops. That seems different, or is their a device that already does that? Either way- if it ends up to be a better product it will be worth microsofts investment. Otherwise, its their money spent anyways, you don't have to buy it- buy the diamond touch if its better.
should run vista just fine with 1gb of RAM and on board video, at least that what my laptop has, i gots no lag- and its not exactly a new or high end laptop
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Umm, Linux is the same way, developers have the freedom to write a closed source app for it. Which is good. Otherwise I wouldn't have matlab on linux. Which is an industry standard for many engineering applications. So this is really not too news worthy, Google has closed source apps and open source apps. Just because a company has some OSS apps, doesn't mean they can't defend the rest of their apps.
I think you under estimate the cost of software development, test, and validation. Could easily cost a few million. Also I doubt they are counting their savings based on the optimistic lifetime expectancy of the PS3. Especially since this is only a single hardware revision, and you'd have to factor the cost of maintaining the drivers across all revisions. Either way I doubt it saves you more than a few dollars, but thats alot considering the number of ps3 users that actually plan to do this,
Well since such a large portion of Vista is new completely rewritten code, I'd imagine it's going to be alot slower til the bugs are fixed up. Hopefully, if their architecture is better than XP as they say it is,... they'll only have to rewrite indivudal components,... I hope. Service Pack 2 for Vista could even double the speed if they get their act together. Hopefully by then people will realize that DRM sucks and MS can start removing some shit from their tubes. lol. then it might be comparable to XP maybe
I agree with you in the fact that Linus has complete control of the features that enter the linux kernel and you may be subject to his priorities. However I don't know how he would ban a country from using his software? Either way, forking the linux kernel isn't a viable alternative unless you're a team of highly skilled developers who want to dedicate a large portion of their lives keeping up with the linux kernel. As I see it there's no better alternative, Open Source doesn't mean the developer is your slave or is free to let anyone taint his software with bogus code or untested modules. Although there are quite a few variations in how open source projects are managed, and some work better than others, however... I don't think it wise to criticise open source, for closed source projects can do this just as easily. I'm sure most open source projects would be willing to develop the features you need if you throw enough money their way. This is how much closed source works as well, as far as I know.
I'm glad there was a post today to tell me the speed of light isn't broken. I need a reminder every once in a while.
This in today- People wanting a secure server use Ubuntu Dapper Drake instead of Fiesty Fawn. This isn't news, we hear stories of people using XP everyday on slashdot. I used Fiesty Fawn when it came out- it was still buggy as hell, wait for a few service packs, and maybe people will use it (referring to vista not Fiesty Fawn of course) . Just because another OS is better for mission critical apps, doesn't mean its more fun for the user. Otherwise I wouldn't be running KDE4 when it comes out. Which is sure to have at least a few bugs in minor apps for at least a year.
Well its not only flamebate, buts its also offtopic. Frontpage has almost nothing to do with TFA. Its also a very old program, and microsoft probably didn't put any extra work into it cause they new it sucked.
Mod parent funny- that was a neat comment.
is there a reason sarcasm and complete disregard for my comments gets a +2 insightful? "Yeh, they tried for 6 months to get some M$ games" No, of the 4 people I put it on, none of them used that computer for gaming. In fact, only one of them played games at all, he used his laptop for classes and his desktop for games. and with regard to your last statement, I've had my linux crash on me way more than i've gotten BSOD's. I've probably only gotten BSOD maybe 3 times in the past 2 years? I've had know or kde freeze up- prevent me from loggging in , crash to commandline, random update destroys xserver so it needs to be reconfigured. you can go on and on about how windows sucks, but maybe just like i struggle with linux, maybe you just don't understand how to use windows. At least on my laptop- which has 1gb Ram, integrated intel graphics, about a year old... is faster with vista than with ubuntu. or at least it seems that way - but as long as the user is happier it doesn't matter. if you're going to reply to a comment - try doing so without making up my side of the story, and throwing around some misinformation and FUD. (yes, i know- that was redundant)
my point was,... the other "vague generalization" which was the completely opposite of mine wasn't necessarily true. I read the forums every day, and i've seen way more comments along the lines of "my computers are 3 years old, or i have a pentium 2 thats still good, why do I need vista? - or you can pry my really old computer from my dead fingers, than i see anything describing slashdotters having brand new computers. you forget many of the people who put linux on old computers do so to get extra performance out of their computers (this is a fact, and not a generalization). i'm not saying that half the people here don't have core duo's- cause they proably do, but at least from what i've seen from the forums and me and my friends who use slashdot alot... we are content with rather older computers than most people up on campus.
I would think just the opposite. /.'ers like to experiment with really low end hardware and see how streamlined they can get linux distros on their computer. Many of them enjoy using old hardware and have a distaste for fancy effects such as compiz or vista.
Yes but i have known countless people who've tried linux (and i don't mean a day or two, more like 6 months) and decided it wasn't good enough for them. I personally gave up XP and have been using linux for 2 years on both my computers. I just recently switched to vista because i found it to be much more intuitive and stable. (and about 0 maintenence as well as i didn't have to do anything except install it, which took maybe 20 minutes)
Really, I switched from Open Office to Office 2007 after trying it. I found it much easier to find everything. Even after using openoffice for 4 years. Finding things such as formula variables and such in excel was truly amazing. I've never had trouble finding anything. At least for me, I found it very easy to do anything I needed. Same with Vista, previously hard to find commands have been moved to locations they make sense to be in the first place. I've tried going back to XP after using Vista and became very frustrated out of the difficulty of finding and installing drivers and countless other problems I don't even need to see in Vista, as Windows Updates finds and installs all your drivers without needing any user input. Most changes in Vista has most definately increased my productivity. I suppose to name my favorite changes would be the new networking stack, (wireless is much more reliable for me too), and the revamped file structure, which is alot more UNIX like and makes sense (as far as home folders go)
These people aren't complaining as much about the window decarations as much as the user interface and menu's. Vista's fairly consistent in this manner and doesn't change regardless of how much you pay. However if you are talking about aero, when you turn it on, everything matches the new decarations, when you do to classic everything will go to classic..... well except Mac OS ports.
Deaf people listen to music too, they just listen to it really loud with lots of bass. They literally "feel" the music.
Is this similar to the way video drivers in vista have been moved into user space? At least according to microsoft- this will actually speed up the drivers if implemented right, as opposed to slowing it down. Something about the cpu switching from protected mode to user mode or something. I do not know the details. If someone does- please contribute.
true- i probably wouldn't install it on anything less than a 20gb drive, thats the size of my partition i got vista on now, thats if you want to load apps on it of course- like visual studio or matlab
The difference is simple- for proprietary software in the US, people can skip the EULA because they say- if you are just using this software for yourself, you're fine. Its not that he's doesn't want to agree not to use it illegally. Its the fact that at least in the US, using it IS illegal. Most software doesn't say in the EULA,--- well, if you are in the US , just using this in any way is illegal. I don't give a shit- but you have to be stupid to compare a EULA to outright using codecs illegally.
except many of those competing distros spend most of their time and manpower repackaging software and customizing the configuration tools for the specific distro instead of furthering individual software projects as a whole. It seems the big guys are still they only ones that make significant contributions to the code. Small guys just waste time repackaging everything or making a new format- they've got drones of people just keeping up their own repositories
I agree, its not that these technologies never come out either, but the upstream technologies and research often take 6-10 years to be engineered into products. So the consumer doesn't see technology thats developed today until 2015 or so.
Hopefully this will get new drivers written that utilize the latest kernel's new wireless architecture... that would be good for everyone
It says open source, you can use the same kernel, but configure it specific to the device you're using. Where did you get binary drivers from the description (an open source project Moblin). No, I did not RTFA.
Well from what I've read alot of rewritten code in the vista kernel has been rewritten to be more threaded. Hence the benchmarks that show vista is 40% faster than XP on a core duo. I believe that over time, code will be phased out as components are rewritten to support multithreading. For different parts of the operating system it may take longer than others, and substantial rewrite may cause a number of bugs like vista is struggling with now (I have faith they'll be cleaned up nicely after a few service packs). But overall- if the need is there, someone will improve the OS's like linux or such to have pervasive multithreading. I'm sure some big companies like IBM might like to invest in getting this work done. We'll all see with time though.
Hmmm, over 5 years? OK so you try to make a point while knowing the facts on only one side. You're obviously spreading a little FUD by making readers assume microsoft through this idea together recently, although they started working on it in 2001. While, according to your statements at least, they had an already finished product by then, then microsoft may be implementing their own vision of this product. However, why should microsoft be excluded from making a product. What do you mean by original, something noone has ever thought of? I didn't see anything about device recognition in your link, while moving data from digital cameras or laptops. That seems different, or is their a device that already does that? Either way- if it ends up to be a better product it will be worth microsofts investment. Otherwise, its their money spent anyways, you don't have to buy it- buy the diamond touch if its better.
should run vista just fine with 1gb of RAM and on board video, at least that what my laptop has, i gots no lag- and its not exactly a new or high end laptop