The other problem with this is that the people doing this know it's dangerous AND JUST DON'T CARE.
It's like trying to educate a long term substance abuser about the health habits. They know, they could care less.
The law would at least allow them to fine the people, and maybe provide for harsher sentancing. The former could help pay for some of the damage they cause (probably not), and both could add just that little bit of incentive not to do the obviously stupid things they were doing.
In some ways I agree - definetly that those who want it preinstalled would reinsall it anyway.
For all I'll complain about, most Linux distros these day have one thing that they without argument do better than any other OS - install.
Their installers are some of the most effective, useful, and asthetically appealing installers around. Not to metion they are fairly fast. Installation may be part of the experience, but more importantly, it's one of the/easiest/ parts of the experience. I won't say they are much of an experience though, more of a non-experience, which is what a installation should be. They are a good example of how-it-should-be-done.
That being said, getting it working may not be. Great it installed, but if the hardware doesn't have good Linux drivers, you are SOL, unless you/like/ writing drivers. I think that's the issue here. I could care less what OS the machine comes preinstaled with. I just want to know that there's drivers available for the hardware in my OS of choice.
Which is one of the reasons I'd rather them supply OS drivers for Linux, or well documented blobs that can be accessed by the developers as they choose - I run FreeBSD, not Linux, and if they do everything to get ONE distro of Linux working, there's little chance it'll help me with my use, but if they provide OS drivers and say "chosoe your own distro", I'd be much happier, the BSD crew is good at porting Linux drivers over.
I saw a phone, when I was deciding which to get, that allowed you to put a picture in the phone book with the name. It also had a camera on it, like most modern phones.
The advantage to compiling your own packages is that there is less of an issue with dependancy hell, since you have less to worry with them being compiled to slightly different libraries. Also, while most machines are fast enough you don't/need/ to compile your own packages, the performance boost in general with KDE, Gnome and especially Open Office is very noticable and extremely nice.
I do, when I did my rounds trying various Linux distros, it had the fewest dependancy-hell type errors. I found it the least difficult to get working as I needed it, and to keep it working.
actually, the funny thing is, I wasn't mad about it per-say, annoyed yes, a touch angry maybe, mad no. However I am mad because the fanbois here seem to think I'm wrong to be a bit put off by this treatment I recieved.
The fact that it took 40+ minutes to find out if they take a certain type of payment, and if it was needed in advance or not The fact that I was not only transfered to someone who couldn't handle the situation, but - That person LIED to me - The person that transfered me said that the situation that happened/could not/ happen, and proceeded to argue about it
Did you even read the whole post? OK, fine, maybe it wasn't india, I really could care less if it was or not, other than it wasn't in the building of the store, as the guy said at the end of the conversation (and he lied to me about it at the beginning!)
And why should I have to give a serial number to find out if they take a certain payment method, and if they need it before or after the service is rendered?
I wasn't asking for ANYTHING except those two questions. Most companys don't charge for that kind of question.
with all the extra static on the line? They could have had a call center with bad lines, but it struck me as being shipped to another continent.
Still, that is possible. Regardless that wasn't the issue, as I initially stated. The issue was how it was handled.
The lady transfered me some place that put me out of the building. The individual I talked to said he was at that location. He then proceded to check for the information, after much hassle, and said he couldn't get, and said I had to call the local store (which he earlier said he was at). The lday, when I called back, said that she couldn't even transfer me out of building, which had happened in the earlier call. After stating that this is what happened, she argued with me that that couldn't happen, rather than just accepting it and finding another method to resolve the situation.
Preamble: I've no qualms with outsourced tech support, that's/not/ the problem I'm complaining about here... I'm complainging about all the errors made in the handling of the issue.
I was at work, a few years ago, and someone needed their Mac desktop serviced. I call up the Mac store at the local mall as my boss told me to.
After a few rings, the rep picks up. I tell her my issue, stating that we want to bring the computer in, do we need to pay before hand, and can they take [payment type]. Her response? "Sorry, I don't know, let me transfer you to the tech bench".
I get a couple clicks and am at some automated voice thing, with options of "sales" or "tech support". I chose tech support
click. static. At this point, I know I'm on a different continent.
Sure enough, after 20+ minutes of hold, a guy with an Indian (as in subcontinent, not native american) accent answers. Him: "Hello [standard greetings stuff], Can I have your product serial number please?" Me: "Is this the Apple store at [mall name]" Him: "Yes, yes it is. Can I have your serial number please?" Me: "Well, I'm just asking if you take [payment type], and do you need it in avance for repairs." Him: "Sir, I need your serial number." Me: "I don't have the computer right here, and I'm not asking for assistance in diagnosing the problem or repairing it, I'm asking about paymet."
this goes on for a couple more exchanges, finally he realizes the serial number is irrelevant to the issue.
Him: "let me check the database" My mind: "wtf?" Him: "Sorry, we don't have that information, please contact the local store." (we hang up).
5 minutes later when I calm down a bit. I call the apple store again. Rep: "Hello, this is the Apple store at [mall name]" Me: "Hi, I'm calling to see if you take [payment type] and if it is needed in advance." Rep: "Let me transfer you-" Me: "Don't transfer me off continent this time." Rep: "Sorry, we don't have the ability, all transfers are in building." Me: "I called half an hour ago, and someone tried transfering me to the tech bench. I got India." Rep: "That's not possible." Me: "Sorry, but that's what happened." Rep: *sigh* "Alright I'll/walk/ over there and ask for you."
a couple minutes later I get my answer. They didn't take that particular payment method, which didn't suprise me, so we used the company credit card instead (we didn't want to, too much of a hassle with paper work).
The point is to knock it off course. A small change in velocity early in it's travels can lead to a larger one in position over time, especially lacking friction.
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The other problem with this is that the people doing this know it's dangerous AND JUST DON'T CARE.
It's like trying to educate a long term substance abuser about the health habits.
They know, they could care less.
The law would at least allow them to fine the people, and maybe provide for harsher sentancing. The former could help pay for some of the damage they cause (probably not), and both could add just that little bit of incentive not to do the obviously stupid things they were doing.
In some ways I agree - definetly that those who want it preinstalled would reinsall it anyway.
/easiest/ parts of the experience. I won't say they are much of an experience though, more of a non-experience, which is what a installation should be. They are a good example of how-it-should-be-done.
/like/ writing drivers. I think that's the issue here. I could care less what OS the machine comes preinstaled with. I just want to know that there's drivers available for the hardware in my OS of choice.
For all I'll complain about, most Linux distros these day have one thing that they without argument do better than any other OS - install.
Their installers are some of the most effective, useful, and asthetically appealing installers around. Not to metion they are fairly fast. Installation may be part of the experience, but more importantly, it's one of the
That being said, getting it working may not be. Great it installed, but if the hardware doesn't have good Linux drivers, you are SOL, unless you
Which is one of the reasons I'd rather them supply OS drivers for Linux, or well documented blobs that can be accessed by the developers as they choose - I run FreeBSD, not Linux, and if they do everything to get ONE distro of Linux working, there's little chance it'll help me with my use, but if they provide OS drivers and say "chosoe your own distro", I'd be much happier, the BSD crew is good at porting Linux drivers over.
I saw a phone, when I was deciding which to get, that allowed you to put a picture in the phone book with the name. It also had a camera on it, like most modern phones.
didn't know.
Thanks.
no, but I know two gals who would find that solution overly "fluffy" and would enjoy something a bit more crude.
So... You are right, although your logical deduction getting to that point was not.
I gave up on trying to figure out mythtv...
/dev/cxm0 > vlc stream:///dev/stdin
/dev/cxm0 > $2 &
on my desktop I have a watch-tv.sh file:
START
#!/bin/sh
cat
bash &
STOP
I use the pvr250-control console app that was with the driver application to change the channel/input source.
To record? I cron a record.sh I made: record.sh channel file duration-in-minutes
START
#!/bin/sh
pvr250-control -t -m 0 $1
cat
sleep 1
PID=$(ps | grep cat | grep cxm0 | cut -f 2 -d ' ')
sleep $(echo "$3 * 60" | bc)
kill $PID
STOP
Fancy? No
Elegant? Hell No
Works? Yes
Low Hassle? Yes
but yeah, a TiVo would probably be even easier than that.
funny thing is, that works very well...
"bring them all", "find them", "In darkness"...
yes.
Expect to be the equivalent of a double-a in a pod sometime around the middle of next week.
Have a nice day.
actually, it looks like the drug is administrated /after/ the fact.
So give it to them after combat, or they'll be even more stressed out...
"I remember I kept all of a sudden being in combat, and have no idea how I got there or why. Those were the worst years of my life."
The advantage to compiling your own packages is that there is less of an issue with dependancy hell, since you have less to worry with them being compiled to slightly different libraries. Also, while most machines are fast enough you don't /need/ to compile your own packages, the performance boost in general with KDE, Gnome and especially Open Office is very noticable and extremely nice.
I do, when I did my rounds trying various Linux distros, it had the fewest dependancy-hell type errors. I found it the least difficult to get working as I needed it, and to keep it working.
No, that would only happen if you got it to install on your bed.
So far, I've only gotten NetBSD to do that... Right after I installed it on my toaster, and before I installed it on my electric can opener.
Do they like to push it a lot?
diregard... I was forgetting that flash is non-volatile - It'll still be there for recovery on reboot.
Thinking of that, what will it do to data integrity on crashes and power failures?
actually, the funny thing is, I wasn't mad about it per-say, annoyed yes, a touch angry maybe, mad no. However I am mad because the fanbois here seem to think I'm wrong to be a bit put off by this treatment I recieved.
The fact that it took 40+ minutes to find out if they take a certain type of payment, and if it was needed in advance or not /could not/ happen, and proceeded to argue about it
The fact that I was not only transfered to someone who couldn't handle the situation, but
- That person LIED to me
- The person that transfered me said that the situation that happened
Did you even read the whole post? OK, fine, maybe it wasn't india, I really could care less if it was or not, other than it wasn't in the building of the store, as the guy said at the end of the conversation (and he lied to me about it at the beginning!)
And why should I have to give a serial number to find out if they take a certain payment method, and if they need it before or after the service is rendered?
I wasn't asking for ANYTHING except those two questions. Most companys don't charge for that kind of question.
So, the fact that the guy told me I needed to call the store itself doesn't count as evidence that I was transferred out of the store?
news to me.
with all the extra static on the line? They could have had a call center with bad lines, but it struck me as being shipped to another continent.
Still, that is possible. Regardless that wasn't the issue, as I initially stated. The issue was how it was handled.
The lady transfered me some place that put me out of the building.
The individual I talked to said he was at that location. He then proceded to check for the information, after much hassle, and said he couldn't get, and said I had to call the local store (which he earlier said he was at).
The lday, when I called back, said that she couldn't even transfer me out of building, which had happened in the earlier call. After stating that this is what happened, she argued with me that that couldn't happen, rather than just accepting it and finding another method to resolve the situation.
Preamble: I've no qualms with outsourced tech support, that's /not/ the problem I'm complaining about here... I'm complainging about all the errors made in the handling of the issue.
/walk/ over there and ask for you."
I was at work, a few years ago, and someone needed their Mac desktop serviced. I call up the Mac store at the local mall as my boss told me to.
After a few rings, the rep picks up. I tell her my issue, stating that we want to bring the computer in, do we need to pay before hand, and can they take [payment type]. Her response? "Sorry, I don't know, let me transfer you to the tech bench".
I get a couple clicks and am at some automated voice thing, with options of "sales" or "tech support". I chose tech support
click. static. At this point, I know I'm on a different continent.
Sure enough, after 20+ minutes of hold, a guy with an Indian (as in subcontinent, not native american) accent answers.
Him: "Hello [standard greetings stuff], Can I have your product serial number please?"
Me: "Is this the Apple store at [mall name]"
Him: "Yes, yes it is. Can I have your serial number please?"
Me: "Well, I'm just asking if you take [payment type], and do you need it in avance for repairs."
Him: "Sir, I need your serial number."
Me: "I don't have the computer right here, and I'm not asking for assistance in diagnosing the problem or repairing it, I'm asking about paymet."
this goes on for a couple more exchanges, finally he realizes the serial number is irrelevant to the issue.
Him: "let me check the database"
My mind: "wtf?"
Him: "Sorry, we don't have that information, please contact the local store."
(we hang up).
5 minutes later when I calm down a bit. I call the apple store again.
Rep: "Hello, this is the Apple store at [mall name]"
Me: "Hi, I'm calling to see if you take [payment type] and if it is needed in advance."
Rep: "Let me transfer you-"
Me: "Don't transfer me off continent this time."
Rep: "Sorry, we don't have the ability, all transfers are in building."
Me: "I called half an hour ago, and someone tried transfering me to the tech bench. I got India."
Rep: "That's not possible."
Me: "Sorry, but that's what happened."
Rep: *sigh* "Alright I'll
a couple minutes later I get my answer. They didn't take that particular payment method, which didn't suprise me, so we used the company credit card instead (we didn't want to, too much of a hassle with paper work).
alternatively, a few meters below the surface, you would turn solid mater into part of the propulsive material.
I think I can speak for most US citizens when I say...
Don't waste your breath... Congress can't even hear us, and on average, we're quite a bit closer.
The point isn't to blow it up.
The point is to knock it off course. A small change in velocity early in it's travels can lead to a larger one in position over time, especially lacking friction.
in essence...
Everyone wants nuclear disarmarment...
And there's a big freaking rock heading towards our planet...
Two birds, one stone anyone?