I agree Brian. I'm a network engineer as well, and uh, even if they find the router, unless it's logging itself to flash, they won't find any evidence. Maybe if it's configured for voip that's some pretty pressing evidence.
I think if they want to find out where the call came from, the "stolen router" isn't the key to the technical piece of the investigation. The routing of the phone call is. It would be routed through the telco system a certain way, and if he did fake it, the origin of the call would be the server where the voip client (router or otherwise) was registered, and not his wife's cell phone.
A subpoena to the telco in question would yield better evidence and the router config, or the router itself would become a moot point.
It's a network. The tracks through the network are the evidence, not any single piece of equipment.
My wife has a Samsung R580 which is almost a year newer than the laptops the guy mentioned in the article. I was going to scan it with some decent rootkit programs (like f-secure blacklight or rootkit revealer) only to find out some of my favorites don't work with 64bit Win7.
I wrote to the guy who wrote the article, asking about the name of the "commercial security scanner" he installed. He never replied back.
I booted my wife's laptop into Linux last night using a Live CD, and performed some find commands for supporting files of the StarLogger program (which showed up in a google search).
Nothing. I was thinking if this was true, hers was exempt because it was almost a year older. Turns out, I find out today, I did more research than this supposedly "phd security expert" had.
I love the vernacular "switch". It's a telco switch. Not to be confused with the more nerdy (and hopefully slashdot-friendly) network switch. As in Layer 2 of the OSI model. Because the $50 gigabit switch sitting on my desk can handle "tens of thousands of gigabytes of data a day" as well.
Maybe I'm just not impressed with telco stuff, being a network nerd and overall "virtual protocol" kinda guy. Just wanted to point out if you're thinking network switch like I was, you won't be comparing apples to apples.
If this comes true, just like the three laws of robotics, this can only come to one conclusion. All the best technology will reside outside of the United States.
Move and prosper.
... for all the lawsuits of families who's loved ones die in speed-related accidents. Would make it too easy for lawyers. "Oh look, he bought a $25 'get out of jail free card' 45mins before taking out three other cars."
Why are people in this country so stupid?
If you read the ars technica coverage on this story, that same ISP offers connections up to 100mbps. If 100mb/sec is 12.5 Megabyte/second, and there's 86,400 seconds in a day, that's a little over 1TB a day. So if that customer has the top tier, let the bandwidth go full boar for less than three days, then disconnected it for the rest of the month, he could get just under 3TB.
They should put more realistic constraints to their resources. This guy used less than 10% of what was possible (full bandwidth 24/7), if he's at the top tier.
Granted, I understand the ISPs point of view. This is excessive. But their service offering was a factor.
Why sell it then act surprised because it was used?
A few years ago I purchased a simple sound system, (actually I believe I got it for free when I purchased something else like a TV), and it was a Panasonic. It didn't come with rear speakers, but they had these wireless rear speakers, so I bought them a few months afterward.
These were 2.4 ghz as well, but they interfered with the wireless upstairs something horrible. We would sit down to watch TV (you know, like prime time, 8pm-10pm) and turn on the sound system, and it would kill our wifi access instantly.
The worse part about the system is that it scanned channels automatically and picked one which wasn't being used. I live in a suburban area, and you can see 10-20 SSIDs from my house. Needless to say there are not many channel "holes".
Perhaps one of your neighbors has a similar setup? I've since bought a new sound system complete with wired rear speakers.
I'm all for privacy, don't get me wrong. But is the Internet a public place? I mean, if I go out to lunch somewhere with my wife or a friend, anyone can take pictures of me. People can see what I'm wearing. They can overhear my conversations, and maybe glean my name or address from them. They can look at my car and my license plate. A whole slew of valuable personal information about me can be gathered from something as simple as a lunch date. Someone can follow me. Anything can happen, really.
Is being on the internet any different? Just because it happens while you're at home, behind a computer, you're accessing the public world from the privacy of your own home. Is there something in the human brain that wants to pretend they're in a private space when they're not? (Think people in their cars). Just because it's virtual and not tangible, doesn't mean it isn't public.
Your "address" on the internet is a public space, even if you don't like it. Just like the address of your house is public.
My point is this. Your picture of your aunt Sue in your "Pictures" directory on your computer is private information. Chances are noone has that same image in that same spot, named exactly the same thing. Your IP address, what browser you use or sites you've visited is not private information. It's generic information. Some person uses Firefox. And Ubuntu. And they went to XYZ.com and their ISP is ABC corp.
I'm glad the EFF is a watchdog group keeping an eye on these things. But sometimes I'm just a normal guy doing normal things and if I told you everything I did and where I went, you'd be bored to tears.
I'm currently running Slackware64 13.0, and have been a huge Slack fan since around 3.3. Currently I run a handful of vm's under kvm. Including ubuntu, debian, centos, vista, xp, a few Win7's (two betas, rc1 and the final enterprise), opensolaris and now I'm thinking of freebsd 8.0. Some of my favorites are ubuntu and Win7. I have about 16 of them all told but only use abour 2-3 at a time.
It's a fantastic way to learn several different things at once. Run two VMs, focus on OpenSolaris for a week/month then switch to FreeBSD 8.0. Then run them both at the same time when you're comfortable.
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... you stole the money from a pirate to see the movie? Who loses then?
You've spelled "America" wrong.
Maybe they just replied to the email.
... Dude, don't listen to my junk.
That's what he's doing! Jees, you'd think I would have figured it out by now. He's eating our privacy.
Goat porn.
I agree Brian. I'm a network engineer as well, and uh, even if they find the router, unless it's logging itself to flash, they won't find any evidence. Maybe if it's configured for voip that's some pretty pressing evidence. I think if they want to find out where the call came from, the "stolen router" isn't the key to the technical piece of the investigation. The routing of the phone call is. It would be routed through the telco system a certain way, and if he did fake it, the origin of the call would be the server where the voip client (router or otherwise) was registered, and not his wife's cell phone. A subpoena to the telco in question would yield better evidence and the router config, or the router itself would become a moot point. It's a network. The tracks through the network are the evidence, not any single piece of equipment.
That should read that her laptop is a year _older_ not newer... oops. We all make mistakes.
My wife has a Samsung R580 which is almost a year newer than the laptops the guy mentioned in the article. I was going to scan it with some decent rootkit programs (like f-secure blacklight or rootkit revealer) only to find out some of my favorites don't work with 64bit Win7. I wrote to the guy who wrote the article, asking about the name of the "commercial security scanner" he installed. He never replied back. I booted my wife's laptop into Linux last night using a Live CD, and performed some find commands for supporting files of the StarLogger program (which showed up in a google search). Nothing. I was thinking if this was true, hers was exempt because it was almost a year older. Turns out, I find out today, I did more research than this supposedly "phd security expert" had.
This isn't a datacenter. It's a telco central office. My point is there's a big difference.
I love the vernacular "switch". It's a telco switch. Not to be confused with the more nerdy (and hopefully slashdot-friendly) network switch. As in Layer 2 of the OSI model. Because the $50 gigabit switch sitting on my desk can handle "tens of thousands of gigabytes of data a day" as well. Maybe I'm just not impressed with telco stuff, being a network nerd and overall "virtual protocol" kinda guy. Just wanted to point out if you're thinking network switch like I was, you won't be comparing apples to apples.
I moved to the south four years ago. Sometimes, I think the motto should be "The South: Afraid of the Internet for over 200 years".
If this comes true, just like the three laws of robotics, this can only come to one conclusion. All the best technology will reside outside of the United States. Move and prosper.
It's Georgia right? They'll probably hand you over to police if you have teeth.
Maybe they should have called it "GCC"...
... for all the lawsuits of families who's loved ones die in speed-related accidents. Would make it too easy for lawyers. "Oh look, he bought a $25 'get out of jail free card' 45mins before taking out three other cars." Why are people in this country so stupid?
If you read the ars technica coverage on this story, that same ISP offers connections up to 100mbps. If 100mb/sec is 12.5 Megabyte/second, and there's 86,400 seconds in a day, that's a little over 1TB a day. So if that customer has the top tier, let the bandwidth go full boar for less than three days, then disconnected it for the rest of the month, he could get just under 3TB. They should put more realistic constraints to their resources. This guy used less than 10% of what was possible (full bandwidth 24/7), if he's at the top tier. Granted, I understand the ISPs point of view. This is excessive. But their service offering was a factor. Why sell it then act surprised because it was used?
It should read "New Tool Reveals Windows Passwords".
A few years ago I purchased a simple sound system, (actually I believe I got it for free when I purchased something else like a TV), and it was a Panasonic. It didn't come with rear speakers, but they had these wireless rear speakers, so I bought them a few months afterward. These were 2.4 ghz as well, but they interfered with the wireless upstairs something horrible. We would sit down to watch TV (you know, like prime time, 8pm-10pm) and turn on the sound system, and it would kill our wifi access instantly. The worse part about the system is that it scanned channels automatically and picked one which wasn't being used. I live in a suburban area, and you can see 10-20 SSIDs from my house. Needless to say there are not many channel "holes". Perhaps one of your neighbors has a similar setup? I've since bought a new sound system complete with wired rear speakers.
I'm all for privacy, don't get me wrong. But is the Internet a public place? I mean, if I go out to lunch somewhere with my wife or a friend, anyone can take pictures of me. People can see what I'm wearing. They can overhear my conversations, and maybe glean my name or address from them. They can look at my car and my license plate. A whole slew of valuable personal information about me can be gathered from something as simple as a lunch date. Someone can follow me. Anything can happen, really. Is being on the internet any different? Just because it happens while you're at home, behind a computer, you're accessing the public world from the privacy of your own home. Is there something in the human brain that wants to pretend they're in a private space when they're not? (Think people in their cars). Just because it's virtual and not tangible, doesn't mean it isn't public. Your "address" on the internet is a public space, even if you don't like it. Just like the address of your house is public. My point is this. Your picture of your aunt Sue in your "Pictures" directory on your computer is private information. Chances are noone has that same image in that same spot, named exactly the same thing. Your IP address, what browser you use or sites you've visited is not private information. It's generic information. Some person uses Firefox. And Ubuntu. And they went to XYZ.com and their ISP is ABC corp. I'm glad the EFF is a watchdog group keeping an eye on these things. But sometimes I'm just a normal guy doing normal things and if I told you everything I did and where I went, you'd be bored to tears.
Do we have to start calling him Mr Burns, and will he have an assistant named Smithers?
... all combine into one company: Yahooglebinguntu.
I'm currently running Slackware64 13.0, and have been a huge Slack fan since around 3.3. Currently I run a handful of vm's under kvm. Including ubuntu, debian, centos, vista, xp, a few Win7's (two betas, rc1 and the final enterprise), opensolaris and now I'm thinking of freebsd 8.0. Some of my favorites are ubuntu and Win7. I have about 16 of them all told but only use abour 2-3 at a time. It's a fantastic way to learn several different things at once. Run two VMs, focus on OpenSolaris for a week/month then switch to FreeBSD 8.0. Then run them both at the same time when you're comfortable.
The old 80-20 rule. The other 21% of failures caused the first 79% to be correct.
Yabba dabba dooo!