I'm running test7 now, and I share that experience. I did use the low-latency and preemptive patches on 2.4 a few times, but I didn't notice any real difference then. With 2.6 I do. I do multitask a lot, on not a too fast machine (dual celeren 466 with 256 Mb ram) and it feels more responsive when switching tasks, and simply when using desktop software. And yes, that includes the browser!
Instead of depending on the mirror list on the Plf site, you could install and run urpmi.setup, with which you can set up media for urpmi, like Main, Contrib, PLF and Jpackage. Not sure if there are already 9.2 mirrors for these media though. Btw, I heard that not all the mirrors have their trees fully synced yet, so a minimal install with basic gui, urpmi and urpmi.setup might be a good idea indeed.
Yup, now we'll just have to wait untill microsoft switches from their own implementation to Samba:-) I suspect thta it will be a few years in the future untill that happens though.
I still remember the infamous Thanksgiving "turkey" kernel that randomly corrupted ext3 partitions.
Kernels from kernel.org are not made to be run by endusers. For that you want a distribution kernel. That's what the kernel team also says.
If you do choose to run a kernel from kernel.org, you are responsible yourself, and if you have problems, you should track patches yourself. It's also a good idea to do this in advance, or wait a week before booting a new released kernel.
Running a vanilla kernel with a bug like this is really a user error, you know....
The only time I can see this being useful is if your terminal app is too crippled to allow you to copy and paste natively.
Hmm, if xclip works on a console, then you can easily cut and paste between console and X. With just the mouse, you can't cut and paste between gpm and X, so it seems rather usefull to me.
I don't know how RedHat deals with this thing, but you could file a bugreport on their bugzilla I guess. In Mandrake, the modules should be loaded by hotplug, and then dynamic should make an icon on your Gnome or Kde desktop, which you can use to mount it. Ofcourse, hotplug and the usb drivers should know which driver belongs to the hardware, when looking at the device id's, so essentially that should be all that's needed to do. If it doesn't work like that, something is broken somewhere.
In my opinion you're looking at it from the wrong side. You're looking for someone to vote on with who you agree. I don't think that's the right thing to look for. I vote for the people with who I disagree the least. Well, that's just my take on it...
Btw, what's up with the title "User Space Driver for USB Storage Devices"? You're still loading the kernel drivers to talk to the device, and mount that. If you mean the automount script, that's not really a driver.
If you really need user space you could look at libusb, all that libusb needs is a driver loaded for the host controller, and for the rest it should be able to talk to the device from userspace. But if it can do usb-storage, I have no clue about that.
Sorry, but I don't get it. What you're doing is adding the device id's to the usb.usermap. If that's all that's needed, you culd just add it to the driver itself, or wherever it is normally put.
For the script, all it does is load the right modules and mount the device, right? Loading the modules is what hotplug does, and mounting automatically with sync can be done with supermount.
I'm no usbguru, programmer or bashguru, so maybe I'm missing something... I'd just contact the people from the usb-storage driver, and the hotplug people, if I had issues with it, and it's not clear to me what your isssue exatly was, and what you really needed to do to fix your issue.
Oh, only RedHat uses RPM? I thought SuSE and Mandrake, as well as a few others did as well.
They do use different versions of perl. You could say every distribution, and every version of a distribution is different. A package made on Redhat isn't guaranteed to work on Mandrake, and vice-versa. So if this projects makes rpms for Redhat, then that's what it does.
What would be a good solution is an optional extension to the CPAN module that allowed it to place files in the RPM database.
Maybe there's a plan at Novell to head into webservices? They were planning on integrating Apache and Mysql into Netware, they might as well provide ASP with that, running on Mono. I have no real idea what they are planning to do with Gnome, do they want to offer an Enterprise Desktop with Gnome, running on Linux, connecting to Groupware mailservers?
I actually never used Netware, but I heard it has good integration of Active Directory. I don't see any integration possible between Netware and Wordperfect, but Mono might be a good match with next versions of Netware.
* focus of newly opened tabs/windows - additional clicks necessary
Edit->Preferences->User Interface->Jump to new tabs Automatically
No, the other way around. If you open a link in new tab, without automatically jumping to it, it still gives focus to the new tab.
It should keep the current tab in focus, which for example will give you a PageDown on hitting the spacebar (very usefull when reading/. and skimming the comments in a story).
* stability
Haven't had any crashes yet...
I had almost daily crashes with early 1.3 releases. At least since 1.3.5 things are shaping up, I only get an occasional crash now and then, about once a week or so. Version 1.2.x was rocksolid here, I could keep the same window on my desktop for weeks without having it crash. I hope they get 1.3/2.0 that stable, it would be great.
Could you please not do this? You're posting urpmi sources for cooker, which is not Mandrake 9.2, but the development version of 9.2. It's not meant for daily use. Often there are small annoyances, sometimes big problems. If people want to run Cooker, they will find out how to do that, you shouldn't advertise it as an easy update or whatever.
Yes, I had the same experience. about 2 years ago I called their Dutch office, a friend of mine was working there, and the woman who answered the telephone also pronounced it as "S-C-O". Afaik it should be pronounced as "Skoh".
But using Mandrake to learn Linux? I don't think so.
Sorry, but I don't agree. Nothing is holding you back from learning on Mandrake. There are people who start messing with their system, installing software from source, editing initscripts. Sometimes (often) it breaks, but it's possible to view that as a learning experience, at least that seems to be their motivation.
I learned Linux on Mandrake (I used Suse for a year before Mandrake), and it felt really good to dive into it, everything seemed at the right place. You can still compile your own kernel, compile things from source, or learn how to build rpms. Tweak different settings, etc.
It's not advised to do that on a running system. It will upgrade glibc from 2.2 to 2.3, and I heard people mention that it breaks rpm, and some coreutils like rm and ln. So it will break halfway the upgrade. I just wish glibc was somewhat backwards compatible...
Mandrake doesn't use apt as default, they use urpmi, which has grown out to be really great for installing rpms.
Is it possible to install Mandrake over the network, bootstrapping it with a floppy
Yes, you can. Just browse into an ftp mirror, and get the network.img from the Mandrake/base/images directory. Use dd or rawrite to put it on a floppy, and boot from it. Remember the ftp server, and the path to the i586 directory, and you should be fine.
Are you sure it's about Unix licensing? I hear everybody on Slashdot talk about AIX, but it seems unrelated to AIX anyway.
There's an article at Forbes where they talk about the Monterey project, and that IBM used that stuff in Linux. So it's not about the original Unix trademarks, patents or IP, but about the IP used in Monterey.
Quote: The suit charges that IBM "misappropriated the confidential and proprietary information" from a joint SCO-IBM project, called project Monterey, to run Unix on an advanced 64-bit computing system on the Intel platform. The project was terminated in May 2001, SCO says, alleging that IBM "misused its access to the Unix Software Code" to help build the Linux open standard. As evidence, SCO cites numerous statements from IBM and its executives that it would use knowledge from both Monterey and earlier IBM Unix iterations to improve Linux.
Yup, they have fontconfig/Xft2 with freetype 2.1.3. Rendering of fonts is really nice now:-) And with a bit of luck the Bitstream fonts are released in time that they can be included in 9.1
Are you sure that it's anonymous? Most chipper/chipknip cards in Holland are part of your normal pin-based card, which doesn't seem anonymous to me. And they never got widespread here in Holland, imo because of the 2 different incompatble implementations, the chipper and the chipknip. I hated the banks for that, and it's still my reason to not use the cards. Did they fix that issue by now?
Another thing, here in Holland you have to put the card into a cardreader, and I believe it needs a pincode too (right?). In HongKong for example it can be read from a small distance, with an infra-red scanner or something. Makes it really easy to get on the bus or metro.
If you want to give feedback, or help out with design an interface, you could join a mailinglist of Gnome or Kde, I assume both projects have mailinglists for this. You could also join the mailinglist of a distro, and see if the installer, or the config utilities need some suggestions. I'm not sure if the debian distro would be a good choice, most of their tools are not graphical, but of course they have an interface. Maybe the best thing is to just join a mailinglist of a project with which you can feel attached. If you like Gnome, and have something with it, it will make it interesting for you. As a mac person, Gnome might be that for you, the Gnome2 interface is modelled more after the mac than the Kde interface.
Yes, it is. There are many musicians who want portability. Try encoding some wav to mp3/ogg at home, decoding it in the studio, mix it, encode it again to mp3/ogg and go home to your homestudio. Then try that 20 times, and see what remains of the soundquality. Then sure, you can also carry wavfiles if it matters that much to you, but 50% savings can be a lot.
Slashdot Mirror
I'm running test7 now, and I share that experience. I did use the low-latency and preemptive patches on 2.4 a few times, but I didn't notice any real difference then. With 2.6 I do.
I do multitask a lot, on not a too fast machine (dual celeren 466 with 256 Mb ram) and it feels more responsive when switching tasks, and simply when using desktop software. And yes, that includes the browser!
Instead of depending on the mirror list on the Plf site, you could install and run urpmi.setup, with which you can set up media for urpmi, like Main, Contrib, PLF and Jpackage. Not sure if there are already 9.2 mirrors for these media though.
Btw, I heard that not all the mirrors have their trees fully synced yet, so a minimal install with basic gui, urpmi and urpmi.setup might be a good idea indeed.
Yup, now we'll just have to wait untill microsoft switches from their own implementation to Samba :-)
I suspect thta it will be a few years in the future untill that happens though.
I still remember the infamous Thanksgiving "turkey" kernel that randomly corrupted ext3 partitions.
Kernels from kernel.org are not made to be run by endusers. For that you want a distribution kernel. That's what the kernel team also says.
If you do choose to run a kernel from kernel.org, you are responsible yourself, and if you have problems, you should track patches yourself. It's also a good idea to do this in advance, or wait a week before booting a new released kernel.
Running a vanilla kernel with a bug like this is really a user error, you know....
The only time I can see this being useful is if your terminal app is too crippled to allow you to copy and paste natively.
Hmm, if xclip works on a console, then you can easily cut and paste between console and X. With just the mouse, you can't cut and paste between gpm and X, so it seems rather usefull to me.
I don't know how RedHat deals with this thing, but you could file a bugreport on their bugzilla I guess.
In Mandrake, the modules should be loaded by hotplug, and then dynamic should make an icon on your Gnome or Kde desktop, which you can use to mount it. Ofcourse, hotplug and the usb drivers should know which driver belongs to the hardware, when looking at the device id's, so essentially that should be all that's needed to do.
If it doesn't work like that, something is broken somewhere.
In my opinion you're looking at it from the wrong side. You're looking for someone to vote on with who you agree. I don't think that's the right thing to look for.
I vote for the people with who I disagree the least. Well, that's just my take on it...
Btw, what's up with the title "User Space Driver for USB Storage Devices"?
You're still loading the kernel drivers to talk to the device, and mount that. If you mean the automount script, that's not really a driver.
If you really need user space you could look at libusb, all that libusb needs is a driver loaded for the host controller, and for the rest it should be able to talk to the device from userspace. But if it can do usb-storage, I have no clue about that.
Sorry, but I don't get it. What you're doing is adding the device id's to the usb.usermap. If that's all that's needed, you culd just add it to the driver itself, or wherever it is normally put.
For the script, all it does is load the right modules and mount the device, right?
Loading the modules is what hotplug does, and mounting automatically with sync can be done with supermount.
I'm no usbguru, programmer or bashguru, so maybe I'm missing something...
I'd just contact the people from the usb-storage driver, and the hotplug people, if I had issues with it, and it's not clear to me what your isssue exatly was, and what you really needed to do to fix your issue.
Try the The Mandrake Audio Workstation HowTo at:
http://groundstate.ca/mdkaw.html
Oh, only RedHat uses RPM? I thought SuSE and Mandrake, as well as a few others did as well.
They do use different versions of perl. You could say every distribution, and every version of a distribution is different. A package made on Redhat isn't guaranteed to work on Mandrake, and vice-versa. So if this projects makes rpms for Redhat, then that's what it does.
What would be a good solution is an optional extension to the CPAN module that allowed it to place files in the RPM database.
Isn't that what cpan2rpm is for?
Maybe there's a plan at Novell to head into webservices?
They were planning on integrating Apache and Mysql into Netware, they might as well provide ASP with that, running on Mono.
I have no real idea what they are planning to do with Gnome, do they want to offer an Enterprise Desktop with Gnome, running on Linux, connecting to Groupware mailservers?
I actually never used Netware, but I heard it has good integration of Active Directory.
I don't see any integration possible between Netware and Wordperfect, but Mono might be a good match with next versions of Netware.
* focus of newly opened tabs/windows - additional clicks necessary
/. and skimming the comments in a story).
...
Edit->Preferences->User Interface->Jump to new tabs Automatically
No, the other way around. If you open a link in new tab, without automatically jumping to it, it still gives focus to the new tab.
It should keep the current tab in focus, which for example will give you a PageDown on hitting the spacebar (very usefull when reading
* stability
Haven't had any crashes yet
I had almost daily crashes with early 1.3 releases. At least since 1.3.5 things are shaping up, I only get an occasional crash now and then, about once a week or so. Version 1.2.x was rocksolid here, I could keep the same window on my desktop for weeks without having it crash. I hope they get 1.3/2.0 that stable, it would be great.
Could you please not do this?
You're posting urpmi sources for cooker, which is not Mandrake 9.2, but the development version of 9.2. It's not meant for daily use. Often there are small annoyances, sometimes big problems. If people want to run Cooker, they will find out how to do that, you shouldn't advertise it as an easy update or whatever.
Yes, I had the same experience. about 2 years ago I called their Dutch office, a friend of mine was working there, and the woman who answered the telephone also pronounced it as "S-C-O".
Afaik it should be pronounced as "Skoh".
it's either
1) wasting time or
2) mapping.
3) doing something we haven't managed to detect.
I'd go for
4) to confuse the Russians.
But using Mandrake to learn Linux? I don't think so.
Sorry, but I don't agree. Nothing is holding you back from learning on Mandrake. There are people who start messing with their system, installing software from source, editing initscripts. Sometimes (often) it breaks, but it's possible to view that as a learning experience, at least that seems to be their motivation.
I learned Linux on Mandrake (I used Suse for a year before Mandrake), and it felt really good to dive into it, everything seemed at the right place. You can still compile your own kernel, compile things from source, or learn how to build rpms. Tweak different settings, etc.
It's not advised to do that on a running system. It will upgrade glibc from 2.2 to 2.3, and I heard people mention that it breaks rpm, and some coreutils like rm and ln. So it will break halfway the upgrade.
I just wish glibc was somewhat backwards compatible...
Mandrake doesn't use apt as default, they use urpmi, which has grown out to be really great for installing rpms.
Is it possible to install Mandrake over the network, bootstrapping it with a floppy
Yes, you can. Just browse into an ftp mirror, and get the network.img from the Mandrake/base/images directory. Use dd or rawrite to put it on a floppy, and boot from it. Remember the ftp server, and the path to the i586 directory, and you should be fine.
Did you use urpmi to install rpms? It's far better then apt4rpm imo (not saying it's better then apt4dpkg, just apt4rpm).
Are you sure it's about Unix licensing? I hear everybody on Slashdot talk about AIX, but it seems unrelated to AIX anyway.
There's an article at Forbes where they talk about the Monterey project, and that IBM used that stuff in Linux. So it's not about the original Unix trademarks, patents or IP, but about the IP used in Monterey.
Quote:
The suit charges that IBM "misappropriated the confidential and proprietary information" from a joint SCO-IBM project, called project Monterey, to run Unix on an advanced 64-bit computing system on the Intel platform. The project was terminated in May 2001, SCO says, alleging that IBM "misused its access to the Unix Software Code" to help build the Linux open standard. As evidence, SCO cites numerous statements from IBM and its executives that it would use knowledge from both Monterey and earlier IBM Unix iterations to improve Linux.
Yup, they have fontconfig/Xft2 with freetype 2.1.3. :-)
Rendering of fonts is really nice now
And with a bit of luck the Bitstream fonts are released in time that they can be included in 9.1
> Same in Holland...
Are you sure that it's anonymous?
Most chipper/chipknip cards in Holland are part of your normal pin-based card, which doesn't seem anonymous to me.
And they never got widespread here in Holland, imo because of the 2 different incompatble implementations, the chipper and the chipknip. I hated the banks for that, and it's still my reason to not use the cards. Did they fix that issue by now?
Another thing, here in Holland you have to put the card into a cardreader, and I believe it needs a pincode too (right?). In HongKong for example it can be read from a small distance, with an infra-red scanner or something. Makes it really easy to get on the bus or metro.
If you want to give feedback, or help out with design an interface, you could join a mailinglist of Gnome or Kde, I assume both projects have mailinglists for this.
You could also join the mailinglist of a distro, and see if the installer, or the config utilities need some suggestions. I'm not sure if the debian distro would be a good choice, most of their tools are not graphical, but of course they have an interface.
Maybe the best thing is to just join a mailinglist of a project with which you can feel attached. If you like Gnome, and have something with it, it will make it interesting for you. As a mac person, Gnome might be that for you, the Gnome2 interface is modelled more after the mac than the Kde interface.
> Is lossless really a good idea?
Yes, it is.
There are many musicians who want portability. Try encoding some wav to mp3/ogg at home, decoding it in the studio, mix it, encode it again to mp3/ogg and go home to your homestudio.
Then try that 20 times, and see what remains of the soundquality.
Then sure, you can also carry wavfiles if it matters that much to you, but 50% savings can be a lot.