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In addition to that I hope Adobe clues in and realizes, Reader is there to READ AND DISPLAY PDFs and nothing else.

Although it is true that there could be the need of a light version of the PDF reader, do not underestimate the flexibility and power brought by Acrobat javascript engine. Have a look at this API. For example, you can invert the page ordering with just a one-liner...
Of course, not everyone needs this functionality. But not everyone needs the functionality of Excel, and it is still the dominant spreadsheet software.

Adobe recently threatened to sue a company that wanted to include PDF output into their word processor.

Yes, that company was Microsoft, but that doesn't change the fact that they threatened to sue them over its inclusion for "antitrust reasons" (read: It would hurt the sales of Acrobat).

PDF isn't an open standard. If you want to implement it, Adobe apparently retains the right to sue you for it at any time.

Just a brief skim through the PDF specification document (1310 pages!) will reveal that a PDF document viewer has to support image reading and loading, JPEG, CCITT and LZW compression (page 39). Any vulnerabilities in standard image libraries may very well be present in the document reader.

The specification even extends into advanced CAD techniques (Coons patches and tensor products in page 232) for background shading, 3D artwork (page 789-841) which is more based on objects, nodes, multiple lightsources and user input (very close to an entire scene-graph API). Given the hierarchical format of PDF, they could very well absort VRML and other 3D formats into the specification.

There are also a few stacks that are used for rendering graphics, which could possibly be overloaded.

I don't know about GIMP, but Photoshop splits the image into several tiles, where stored changes and redraws are done only for the tiles that are affected by the current action.

There's some info on this at:

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=320005

You're right, indeed. BTW, did you hear about Photoshop Express coming out: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/09/photoshop_expre.html http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/images/psx_screenshot.jpg I think I'll try Picasa for quick editing :) Thank you :)

You're right, indeed. BTW, did you hear about Photoshop Express coming out: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/09/photoshop_expre.html http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/images/psx_screenshot.jpg I think I'll try Picasa for quick editing :) Thank you :)

From microsofts own webiste.
List of know applications that service pack 2 broke
Untest updates are always bad for business.

OL Toolbar 1.13.2 AOL 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.aol.com/ The Information Bar blocks access to the tool's edit boxes.
PhotoShop CS 8.0 Adobe 64-bit (NX) http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/main.html Program installs, but will not start.
BlackICE 3.6 crj Internet Security Systems 64-bit (NX) http://www.iss.net/ When you use this program, you may receive a Stop error that causes the program to quit.
BootSkin All Stardock 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.stardock.com/ When you restart your computer during the Windows XP SP2 Setup program, a Stop error occurs. For more information, see the following Microsoft Knowledge Base article: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;%5Bln%5D;873159.
Command Antivirus 4.9 Authentium 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.authentium.com/ This program does not start.
Encyclopedia Britannica 2000 Deluxe 1 Encyclopedia Britannica 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.britannica.com/ Java rendering does not function after you install this program.
eTrust EZ Armor 1 Computer Associates 64-bit (NX) http://www.ca.com/ The EZ Firewall part of this program generates a Stop error during installation.
Freedom Force 1 Electronic Arts 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ea.com/ When you start the program, a message appears that points you to the following EA Web site: http://techsupport.ea.com./
Kaspersky Anti-Virus (German) 4.5 and 5.0 Kaspersky Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.kaspersky.com/ Real-Time scanning does not work in version 4.5 or 5.0. The vendor's Web site has available product updates that are designed to address this issue.
Live Motion 1 Adobe 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.adobe.com/ This program displays various errors that prevent typical operation.
MapSend DirectRoute 1.0 Magellan 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.magellangps.com/ When you start the program, a message appears that points you to the following Web site: http://www.magellangps.com/en/support.
MPEGcraft DVD All Canopus 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) When you try to save an MPEG file, you receive a "Failed to Edit" error, and the file cannot be saved.
NBA LIVE 2000 1 Electronic Arts 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ea.com/ This program does not start in certain systems.
NOD32 for Microsoft Windows 2.000.11 Eset 64-bit (NX) http://www.eset.com/ When this program is started on an AMD64-based computer, all network connectivity is lost. To resolve this issue, upgrade to NOD32 version 2.12.2 or higher.
Norman Personal Firewall 1.4 Norman 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.norman.com/ Norman Personal Firewall Assistant will not start.
Norman Personal Firewall 1.4 Norman 64-bit (NX) After this program installs and restarts, the desktop does not load correctly
Norton AntiVirus 2003 Symantec 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.symantec.com/ At system startup, Scheduled Tasks in Norton AntiVir

From microsofts own webiste.
List of know applications that service pack 2 broke
Untest updates are always bad for business.

OL Toolbar 1.13.2 AOL 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.aol.com/ The Information Bar blocks access to the tool's edit boxes.
PhotoShop CS 8.0 Adobe 64-bit (NX) http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/main.html Program installs, but will not start.
BlackICE 3.6 crj Internet Security Systems 64-bit (NX) http://www.iss.net/ When you use this program, you may receive a Stop error that causes the program to quit.
BootSkin All Stardock 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.stardock.com/ When you restart your computer during the Windows XP SP2 Setup program, a Stop error occurs. For more information, see the following Microsoft Knowledge Base article: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;%5Bln%5D;873159.
Command Antivirus 4.9 Authentium 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.authentium.com/ This program does not start.
Encyclopedia Britannica 2000 Deluxe 1 Encyclopedia Britannica 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.britannica.com/ Java rendering does not function after you install this program.
eTrust EZ Armor 1 Computer Associates 64-bit (NX) http://www.ca.com/ The EZ Firewall part of this program generates a Stop error during installation.
Freedom Force 1 Electronic Arts 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ea.com/ When you start the program, a message appears that points you to the following EA Web site: http://techsupport.ea.com./
Kaspersky Anti-Virus (German) 4.5 and 5.0 Kaspersky Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.kaspersky.com/ Real-Time scanning does not work in version 4.5 or 5.0. The vendor's Web site has available product updates that are designed to address this issue.
Live Motion 1 Adobe 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.adobe.com/ This program displays various errors that prevent typical operation.
MapSend DirectRoute 1.0 Magellan 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.magellangps.com/ When you start the program, a message appears that points you to the following Web site: http://www.magellangps.com/en/support.
MPEGcraft DVD All Canopus 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) When you try to save an MPEG file, you receive a "Failed to Edit" error, and the file cannot be saved.
NBA LIVE 2000 1 Electronic Arts 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ea.com/ This program does not start in certain systems.
NOD32 for Microsoft Windows 2.000.11 Eset 64-bit (NX) http://www.eset.com/ When this program is started on an AMD64-based computer, all network connectivity is lost. To resolve this issue, upgrade to NOD32 version 2.12.2 or higher.
Norman Personal Firewall 1.4 Norman 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.norman.com/ Norman Personal Firewall Assistant will not start.
Norman Personal Firewall 1.4 Norman 64-bit (NX) After this program installs and restarts, the desktop does not load correctly
Norton AntiVirus 2003 Symantec 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.symantec.com/ At system startup, Scheduled Tasks in Norton AntiVir

Isn't that what Adobe Atmosphere is for?? Wonder why it was discontinued

http://www.adobe.com/products/atmosphere/

The problem with flash and great projects like gnash is that it will never be a full freely distributable implementation as long as we have draconian patent laws. Components such as flash video are patented. Likewise the silverlight won't be complete in a free distribution.

That's changing. The latest beta of the Flashplayer supports h.264 video with AAC audio in an mp4 container. Mozilla Tamarin is the VM introduced in Flashplayer 9 and targeted by everything ActionScript 3 (like Flash CS3 can and Flex 2 always does, as well as the to-be-Free Flex 3 SDK). It's much faster than the one in previous versions, so developers will use that one increasingly. For video content, publishers can choose between an open standard with free tools, or a proprietary expensive one, so what do you think will they do?
That's two major building blocks right there. The rest of the format is basically just tags that define, transform and place sprites. Gnash already does a good job at that. Some pieces in the Adobe Flashplayer's renderer are patented, but there are excellent libraries for that. Of course, the API would have to be implemented (the flash.* packages, mx.* builds on that and will be part of the Flex 3 SDK).
The SWF specification isn't the problem, there are some Free tools out there that already have very good support of SWF and related protocols. With the Flex 3 SDK, there will even be one from Adobe you can legally look at (IANAL).

You have to understand that Gnash tries to support existing content first. That is a big task, and I wish them well. But if you leave out legacy support and focus on what Adobe's current tools put out, it gets much easier. Grossly simplified, there's the VM, there are readers, renderers and codecs, add glue.

The problem with flash and great projects like gnash is that it will never be a full freely distributable implementation as long as we have draconian patent laws. Components such as flash video are patented. Likewise the silverlight won't be complete in a free distribution.

That's changing. The latest beta of the Flashplayer supports h.264 video with AAC audio in an mp4 container. Mozilla Tamarin is the VM introduced in Flashplayer 9 and targeted by everything ActionScript 3 (like Flash CS3 can and Flex 2 always does, as well as the to-be-Free Flex 3 SDK). It's much faster than the one in previous versions, so developers will use that one increasingly. For video content, publishers can choose between an open standard with free tools, or a proprietary expensive one, so what do you think will they do?
That's two major building blocks right there. The rest of the format is basically just tags that define, transform and place sprites. Gnash already does a good job at that. Some pieces in the Adobe Flashplayer's renderer are patented, but there are excellent libraries for that. Of course, the API would have to be implemented (the flash.* packages, mx.* builds on that and will be part of the Flex 3 SDK).
The SWF specification isn't the problem, there are some Free tools out there that already have very good support of SWF and related protocols. With the Flex 3 SDK, there will even be one from Adobe you can legally look at (IANAL).

You have to understand that Gnash tries to support existing content first. That is a big task, and I wish them well. But if you leave out legacy support and focus on what Adobe's current tools put out, it gets much easier. Grossly simplified, there's the VM, there are readers, renderers and codecs, add glue.

The problem with flash and great projects like gnash is that it will never be a full freely distributable implementation as long as we have draconian patent laws. Components such as flash video are patented. Likewise the silverlight won't be complete in a free distribution.

That's changing. The latest beta of the Flashplayer supports h.264 video with AAC audio in an mp4 container. Mozilla Tamarin is the VM introduced in Flashplayer 9 and targeted by everything ActionScript 3 (like Flash CS3 can and Flex 2 always does, as well as the to-be-Free Flex 3 SDK). It's much faster than the one in previous versions, so developers will use that one increasingly. For video content, publishers can choose between an open standard with free tools, or a proprietary expensive one, so what do you think will they do?
That's two major building blocks right there. The rest of the format is basically just tags that define, transform and place sprites. Gnash already does a good job at that. Some pieces in the Adobe Flashplayer's renderer are patented, but there are excellent libraries for that. Of course, the API would have to be implemented (the flash.* packages, mx.* builds on that and will be part of the Flex 3 SDK).
The SWF specification isn't the problem, there are some Free tools out there that already have very good support of SWF and related protocols. With the Flex 3 SDK, there will even be one from Adobe you can legally look at (IANAL).

You have to understand that Gnash tries to support existing content first. That is a big task, and I wish them well. But if you leave out legacy support and focus on what Adobe's current tools put out, it gets much easier. Grossly simplified, there's the VM, there are readers, renderers and codecs, add glue.

Flash started as FutureSplash, a system for simple vector based goofy animations on the web.

Macromedia bought it, and ramped it up. About, oooh, a week (?) after Flash was bought, the writing was on the wall - Macromedia Director was a Dead Duck. What made Director useful, however, was its craptacular programming language, Lingo. Once the vision shifted from Director to Flash, the move was on to develop a programming language for Flash - the result? The even MORE craptacular ActionScript.

Several year ago, a survey was done and it was found that a full 80% of the users of the web would click "skip intro" and avoid using flash if they could. This set off a sea change at Macromedia, and now at Adobe, where Flash is no longer the funky little animation engine that couldn't if its life depended on it, but to become a "development environment" and platform for web based applications. Now, isn't THAT a totally stupid idea...

So, what Microsoft is trying to do is strangle and/or marginalise Flash as a dev environment before it gets any real traction.

Now you know.

RS

Well, how about Adobe AIR?

If you read Ajaxian, you might have heard about this a long time ago. Its essentially the AJAX version of Java Webstart.

"There is a new beta of the Flash Player Update available. That's right: the beta is even available for Linux (same time as Windows and Mac).

This beta is affectionately named Moviestar due to these key new features:
* H.264 video
* AAC audio
* Hardware-accelerated fullscreen video playback (new for Linux in this beta; Win/Mac had it in previous beta)

Yep-- fullscreen hardware acceleration during video playback using OpenGL/GLX on Linux, where available... and functional. If you find that it does not work right, you can disable hardware acceleration using the "Settings..." menu from the right-click context menu. Oh, and file a bug with hardware details, video card driver version, GLX version, that sort of stuff.

If you have any questions about the new audio/video stuff, check Tinic's thorough blog post on the matter.

I would also like to hear if anyone is still experiencing the click bug (where no events are triggered in response to mouse clicks)."

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html

Now, how well it actually works is another matter...

True, but I prefer a stable 64-bit Linux port from Adobe. I know it's closed source, it will it is fine to me like two popular video drivers.

The press release at http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressrel eases/200708/082107FlashPlayer.html says it will be available later today at http://labs.adobe.com/

The press release at http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressrel eases/200708/082107FlashPlayer.html says it will be available later today at http://labs.adobe.com/

Has anyone found the download link?

The version of Flash from this page: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9 seems to be a beta version from June 11.

Adobe went with Blu-Ray as the only high definition recordable disk supported by their Adobe® Premiere® Pro CS3 editing suite. You can see the list of what works here.

umm.. frame maker is a bit more sophisticated than a plaintext editor..
and wouldn't run under dos, as it is *very* graphical

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features. html

granted, not for everyone like word, but it's not some simple plaintext
notepadimabob, and probably something "joe sixpack" could use to edit documents effectively.

a wsywig documentation system, like word. not a plaintext editor.

so please, before flaming about crap you don't know about,
try to compare apples to apples

remember, if parent isn't lying, he's been maintaining xemacs for 10+ years,
so perhaps he knows more about the subject than your
reactionary holier-than-noob noobness.

ps : captcha = unaware.

yup.

I do agree that a product should only load the extra stuff when you need them, but you're forgetting one key thing: Adobe's market isn't the consumer. Want proof? Just look at their product page. Search for the word "consumer". It doens't exist. Their products are mostly for businesses and professionals. If you just want to write your resume in pdf format, then open source is the way to go, but if you need the enterprise tools that they provide, then shelling out $450 (for Acrobat Professional) may be your best bet.

The point is that you may not need all of the extra crap that Acrobat loads, but the people paying retail price for it do. You have the option of trimming it down if your needs are less. It is because you are the minority in this situation.

As far as a "dumb process" is concerned, I have no idea what you are talking about so I cannot give an intelligible reply. Maybe I'm not one of those "competent people" who "work around" this "dumb process".

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex:Open_Sou rce http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo These are still new, but Macrobe is making sure these are all cross platform. With Flex you can create Flash content. You just need to know how to do Action Script.

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex:Open_Sou rce http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo These are still new, but Macrobe is making sure these are all cross platform. With Flex you can create Flash content. You just need to know how to do Action Script.

I agree what is so surprising about Microsoft utilizing the massive amounts of error reports delivered from Windows XP/Vista third party applications crash reporting to help an build an application suite to compete with said third party applications. Lets all join in with ADOBE and scream monopoly, no seriously, what is the harm in having another offering from the great giant, I am perfectly happy not using their software now. Surely they're alternative to the Creative Suite Strains offered by http://www.adobe.com/ Adobe but, I sure as hell don't know what it/they are

HTML5 should be dropped, and just develop XHTML5. Imroper/lazy nesting and optionally closed tags are the crutch of "designers" who rely on overly helpful browsers and sloppy WYSIWYGS to do their jobs for them.

Do you trust a mechanic who, after working on your car, gives you your keys and a pile of "extra" parts that he found on your car that "weren't necessary"? Get back in there and put the rest of the head bolts back on, bub.

The fact that the HTML5 tagset is getting silly is a separate issue.

I've killed some time on this since it's a pretty interesting idea. It turns out there are plenty outside the D and F range. It does seem to like pages with a single Flash object and not much else, so that's bad. It also makes some pretty arbitrary decisions which don't mean squat to many sites. There are some sites that get enough traffic that speed is a factor but not so much that a content delivery network is really necessary, for example.

I skipped the actual link and score on sites that are pretty much just representative of the sites around them. I wanted to include them by name, though, to show where they fall. I've stuck mostly to main index pages, and I've noted where I've gone deeper.

A: Google (99%), Altavista main page (98%), Altavista Babelfish (90%) (including upon doing a translation from English to French), Craigslist (96%), Pricewatch (93%), Slackware Linux, OpenBSD, Led Zeppelin site at Atlantic (100%), supremecommander.com, w3m web browser site (96%)

B: Apache.org (87%), the lighttpd web server (84%), Google Maps, which also got a C once (84% in most cases), Perlmonks (84%), Dragonfly BSD (85%), Butthole Surfers band page (81%), 37 Signals

C: One Laptop Per Child,, ESR's homepage, the Open Source Initiative (78%), Google News (73%), Lucid CMS (74%), Perl.org (75%), lucasfilm.com, Charred Dirt game

D: gnu.org, The Register, A9 (66%), kernel.org, Akamai (64%), kuro5hin.org, freshmeat.net, linuxcd.org, Movable Type (61%), Postnuke, blogster.com, Joel on Software (67%), Fog Creek Software, metallica.com, gaspowered.com, Scorched 3D (68%), id software (64%), ISBN.nu book search

F: MS IIS (49%), microsoft.com, msn.com, linux.com, fsf.org, discovery.com, newegg.com, rackspace.com, the Simtel archive (26%), CNet Download (29%), Adobe (58%), savvis.com, mtv.com, sun.com, pclinuxos.com, freebsd.org, phpnuke.org, use.perl.org, ruby-lang.org, python.org, java.com, Rolling Stones band page (56%), powellsbooks.com, amazon.com, barnesandnoble.com, getfirefox.com

My site for my company (96%) gets an A (no, I'm not going to get it slashdotted) which is pretty simple but has a pic and some Javascript on it. Several sites I have done or have helped design with someone else get C or D ratings.

It looks like the version of the flashplayer that is in Beta is allowing for hardware rendering as the default rendering method and software rendering as a backup method. For more info look here http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/re leasenotes.html#known

http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.c gi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash.

And I'm not having any luck finding anywhere at tells me what version of the plugin (ActiveX Control?) I'm currently running, so now I have to walk to each and every machine in the domain and install the latest manually.

You suck, Adobe.

Adobe Flash exploit could log keystrokes
By Dawn Kawamoto, CNET News.com
16/07/2007
URL: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/security/0,39044215, 62028443,00.htm

Adobe has issued three critical security updates, one of which is designed to stop a problem in the way the Flash player interacts with browsers, which could result in users' keystrokes being transmitted to attackers.

Adobe Flash Player 9.0.45.0, 8.0.34.0 and 7.0.69.0, as well as their earlier versions running on all platforms, are affected.

Users loading a malicious vector graphics file format (SWF) in their Flash Player may find attackers exploiting security flaws due to an input validation error in 9.0.45.0 and earlier versions, according to a security advisory from Secunia. Attackers, as a result, can gain remote access to a user's system.

In versions 7.0.69.0 and earlier running on Linux and Solaris, malicious attackers could exploit an error in the interaction between the Flash Player and certain browsers. That could potentially lead to a leaking of keystrokes to a Flash Player applet, Secunia noted. Flash Player 9 is not affected.

Versions 8.0.34.0 and earlier contain a bug due to insufficient validation of the HTTP referrer. As a result, an attacker could execute a cross-site forgery attack. Flash Player 9, however, is not affected.

Adobe recommends that 9.0.45.0 users upgrade to 9.0.47.0 for Windows, Mac and Solaris, or 9.0.48.0 for Linux.

Adobe Flash Player 9 is the recommended solution for the other two versions that contain security flaws.
--
For Your Flash-Based Safety

Adobe Flash exploit could log keystrokes
By Dawn Kawamoto, CNET News.com
16/07/2007
URL: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/security/0,39044215, 62028443,00.htm

Adobe has issued three critical security updates, one of which is designed to stop a problem in the way the Flash player interacts with browsers, which could result in users' keystrokes being transmitted to attackers.

Adobe Flash Player 9.0.45.0, 8.0.34.0 and 7.0.69.0, as well as their earlier versions running on all platforms, are affected.

Users loading a malicious vector graphics file format (SWF) in their Flash Player may find attackers exploiting security flaws due to an input validation error in 9.0.45.0 and earlier versions, according to a security advisory from Secunia. Attackers, as a result, can gain remote access to a user's system.

In versions 7.0.69.0 and earlier running on Linux and Solaris, malicious attackers could exploit an error in the interaction between the Flash Player and certain browsers. That could potentially lead to a leaking of keystrokes to a Flash Player applet, Secunia noted. Flash Player 9 is not affected.

Versions 8.0.34.0 and earlier contain a bug due to insufficient validation of the HTTP referrer. As a result, an attacker could execute a cross-site forgery attack. Flash Player 9, however, is not affected.

Adobe recommends that 9.0.45.0 users upgrade to 9.0.47.0 for Windows, Mac and Solaris, or 9.0.48.0 for Linux.

Adobe Flash Player 9 is the recommended solution for the other two versions that contain security flaws.
--
For Your Flash-Based Safety

http://weblog.timaltman.com/node/834

Like the blogger says, there's basically no way to file a bug report with Microsoft short of using snail mail or paying for support. I've never been anything but impressed with the people I've met at Microsoft, but their customer service and QA staff must be completely out of their little minds. I went through the same hoops described in the blog post above when pointing out that Always On Top windows behaved in a glitchy manner when running a full-screen RDP session on multiple monitors - Got my bug report bounced back to me no less than 5 times through 5 different forms before I gave up and started using radmin.

Lord forbid they, like every sane and reasonable company out there, set up a real bug reporting page.

To be honest I find little difference between Vista and OSX. I develop on both platforms actually. Both have elevation prompts, both have automatic updates turned on by default. Both require reboots for a good majority of updates. Both have had updates that have caused issues with 3rd party apps (Quicktime update breaking PPC emulation on Intel Macs is a good example - I actually can't remember an update recent memory that has caused any issues on Windows).

If OSX works for you better - great - arguing which one is better I think is getting harder and harder.

PDF is an ISO Standard.

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/standards.ht ml/

And here where thay are woring with ISO on PDF V1.7 and ISO 32000 http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/adobepdf.htm l/

PDF used as a native output format by Open Office. So far Abobe have not sued over this. Just the opposite, they are promoting PDF as an implementable standard.

If you go to here http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/pdf/top ic.html/ you will see that the specification is freely available as is a SDK.

Does this make Adobe sound like Microsoft and especially their attitude to ODF? I think not.

Disclaimer: I don't work for Adobe and think that in some areas their pricing and licensing policy s**ks but here, credit where credit is due.

PDF is an ISO Standard.

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/standards.ht ml/

And here where thay are woring with ISO on PDF V1.7 and ISO 32000 http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/adobepdf.htm l/

PDF used as a native output format by Open Office. So far Abobe have not sued over this. Just the opposite, they are promoting PDF as an implementable standard.

If you go to here http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/pdf/top ic.html/ you will see that the specification is freely available as is a SDK.

Does this make Adobe sound like Microsoft and especially their attitude to ODF? I think not.

Disclaimer: I don't work for Adobe and think that in some areas their pricing and licensing policy s**ks but here, credit where credit is due.

PDF is an ISO Standard.

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/standards.ht ml/

And here where thay are woring with ISO on PDF V1.7 and ISO 32000 http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/adobepdf.htm l/

PDF used as a native output format by Open Office. So far Abobe have not sued over this. Just the opposite, they are promoting PDF as an implementable standard.

If you go to here http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/pdf/top ic.html/ you will see that the specification is freely available as is a SDK.

Does this make Adobe sound like Microsoft and especially their attitude to ODF? I think not.

Disclaimer: I don't work for Adobe and think that in some areas their pricing and licensing policy s**ks but here, credit where credit is due.

There's other commercial uses of open source too - for example, Adobe uses Spidermonkey (the Mozilla JavaScript engine) in Acrobat Reader... How many machines have that? :)

Scripting in PhotoShop?
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp? ftpID=1536

Scripting in PaintShop Pro?
Python!

Application on windows?
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms950396. aspx
Python
Perl
many more

To make "application":
1. Open notepad
2. Write code
3. Save file
4. Double click
5. ???
6. Profit

It wasn't difficult, was it?

They don't support 64-bit windows either, so unlike with this silverlight crap you're not being unfairly kicked to the side. At least you currently have the option to run the 32-bit version that at least is fully functional unlike this moonlight crap that is never going to keep up (because microsoft will always be changing the spec) and will be full of bugs that no one will take responsibility for, just like the rest of the projects miguel starts.

The real reason that Flash is popular is because that is the standard that YouTube decided on.

swf is an open format so THAT obviously isn't the problem...

From http://www.adobe.com/licensing/developer/
"This license does not permit the usage of the specification to create software which supports SWF file playback."

It's a bit like having a research library that permits you access to any book you want, as long as your paper doesn't cite one as a reference.

Actually many cells phones do support flash but they support it in such an unfriendly way that no body knows about it or wants to know about it. Some links: http://www.adobe.com/mobile/ http://www.adobe.com/products/flashlite/

Actually many cells phones do support flash but they support it in such an unfriendly way that no body knows about it or wants to know about it. Some links: http://www.adobe.com/mobile/ http://www.adobe.com/products/flashlite/

I am not sure if any of Adobe's modifications were used by Apple to support Windows. However, as to your question of why they would have done it - they are using the webkit project to create a cross platform (Windows/OSX/Linux) runtime which utilizes pdf, Flash/Flex, and Javascript/HTML. Here's a link to the first of a few questions about it in their FAQ. They don't mention Apple using their code though, I don't think.
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo:Develo perFAQ#What_HTML_and_JavaScript_Engine_is_used_wit hin_Adobe_AIR.3F

Watch any of the "featured tours" of on Adobe's CS3 programs and you'll see them use this option.

example: http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ssi/iframe/fea ture_tour.html
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshope xtended/ssi/iframe/feature_tour.html

Now whether they make it easy for others to do the same with their products, I'm not sure. I haven't seen Flash CS3's video options.

Watch any of the "featured tours" of on Adobe's CS3 programs and you'll see them use this option.

example: http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ssi/iframe/fea ture_tour.html
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshope xtended/ssi/iframe/feature_tour.html

Now whether they make it easy for others to do the same with their products, I'm not sure. I haven't seen Flash CS3's video options.