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• C'mon Slashdotters, how many times must we quiet/silent PC enthusiasts link it before you actually take a look and read what constitutes a silent PC?
• The 7200.7 are so different that Silent PC Review (which seems to be /.ed at the moment) rated it on (I think) a notch lower than the B-IV on their 1-10 scale of quietest HDs.
• No Slashdot post about computer noise is complete without a link to Silent PC Review
• Let me also be an advocate of Silent PC Review [silentpcreview.com];

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I don't think I'd ever ad MSN. Who ever searches from there? According to http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_500 MSN is hit more than Google. I'd be willing to guess that they have the searchs of the average internet surfer who doesn't have AdBlock and who are probably more likely to click on an Ad than the person running firefox, with google set to their homepage. But Microsoft doesn't even have to do astoundingly well to deal revenue damage to google, since they can take up new customers who really don't care where they get their clicks.

If you want to make a point, then use evidence that matters. Job listings do not indicate what is in production except on the system needing attention at the organization needing the employee. Perhaps something relevent from http://www.netcraft.com/ or http://www.alexa.com/.



I read those sites, and I learned that BSD is dying. I don't know what to do with that information right now.

LAMP handles a lot less of those sites than you might think. Check up on job adverts for Google, Amazon etc. and you will find a strong demand for Java and C++ as well as LAMP.

This makes absolutely no sense:

Assertion:There aren't that many huge-ass LAMP sites on the internet.
Evidence:See job adverts for Google and Amazon.

It's kind of like:

We have a low murder rate in Detroit because the department of corrections isn't hiring executioners right now.

If you want to make a point, then use evidence that matters. Job listings do not indicate what is in production except on the system needing attention at the organization needing the employee. Perhaps something relevent from http://www.netcraft.com/ or http://www.alexa.com/.

"The computer giant has increased its presence in the fast-growing internet phone sector by purchasing leading player Teleo for an undisclosed sum."

Leading? Surely he means dying?

Look at the graph,

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=teleo.com

Its reach per million for the last 3 months has been 1, thats about 220 visitors a day to the site.

Take a look, their online part is he 11th most popular English language site:

http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?ts_mode=lan g&lang=en

They're ahead of CNN, ahead of NBC, Fox all the USA networks, all print media. They're even ahead of Fastclick (the web advertising network!).

You gotta be impressed at how they've grasped the Internet.

It certainly brought NeoWin.net to its knees... Time to watch that spike:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=neowin.net

He just did advertise on slashdot! For free.

He is greatly mistaken by the amount of traffic that he belives he has. Compare the alexa data at trmag with the alexa data for tech-recipes.com.

Tech-recipes.com takes all their "profits" and sends t-shirts to its users. Nobody there is making a living off the site... I don't know how you expect to either.

Sorry. Traffic is the answer.

(Don't whine that alexa traffic isn't accurate. It isn't. However, the same people that will install alexa toolbar as the same people that will click on ads. It's good measure...)

He just did advertise on slashdot! For free.

He is greatly mistaken by the amount of traffic that he belives he has. Compare the alexa data at trmag with the alexa data for tech-recipes.com.

Tech-recipes.com takes all their "profits" and sends t-shirts to its users. Nobody there is making a living off the site... I don't know how you expect to either.

Sorry. Traffic is the answer.

(Don't whine that alexa traffic isn't accurate. It isn't. However, the same people that will install alexa toolbar as the same people that will click on ads. It's good measure...)

Looking at the Alexa traffic details for your site, I somehow doubt that you have a real userbase of 200 000. Compare it to for instance kottke.org's traffic details, I'd say that you need visitors before anything else. Kottke has loads of more traffic, and took a hefty paycut to blog full-time

And yes, I am aware that Alexa is not an exact measure, but it should act as an indication that you very likely won't find a business model at all that is fit for supporting a full-time staff.

As for maximizing revenue with what you have, the colors and placement of your Google ads is pretty appaling: They are below the fold for many users, and they are hidden where users won't look for them, and they have a color scheme as inviting as a World-War II bunker.

Looking at the Alexa traffic details for your site, I somehow doubt that you have a real userbase of 200 000. Compare it to for instance kottke.org's traffic details, I'd say that you need visitors before anything else. Kottke has loads of more traffic, and took a hefty paycut to blog full-time

And yes, I am aware that Alexa is not an exact measure, but it should act as an indication that you very likely won't find a business model at all that is fit for supporting a full-time staff.

As for maximizing revenue with what you have, the colors and placement of your Google ads is pretty appaling: They are below the fold for many users, and they are hidden where users won't look for them, and they have a color scheme as inviting as a World-War II bunker.

It got Slashdotted? Hard to imagine...Wikipedia gets way more traffic than Slashdot does: check out Alexa's traffic graphs comparing the two: last three months, last two years.

It got Slashdotted? Hard to imagine...Wikipedia gets way more traffic than Slashdot does: check out Alexa's traffic graphs comparing the two: last three months, last two years.

If you look that the traffic for mozilla.org you see a slight downward trend during summer and a massive spike just recently in august, coinciding with the kids going back to school.

So basically the kids using firefox at school stopped for the summer because some of them were using their parents computers that had IE. Now that the kids have gone back to school the ones that weren't using firefox are downloading it in huge numbers (probably mostly to be cool). Next set of statistics will probably show a 2% rise for firefox, imho due to this.

The only thing I found interesting about this whole mess is the reference to wikipedia being slashdotted...and then the pageview reports comparing wikipedia to slashdot.

Holy crap! I had NO idea that Wikipedia was getting that much traffic.

One month comparison http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=1m&size=medium&compare_sites=slashdot.org&y =p&url=wikipedia.org and a two year comparison, http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=2y&size=large&compare_sites=slashdot.org&y= p&url=wikipedia.org#top

The only thing I found interesting about this whole mess is the reference to wikipedia being slashdotted...and then the pageview reports comparing wikipedia to slashdot.

Holy crap! I had NO idea that Wikipedia was getting that much traffic.

One month comparison http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=1m&size=medium&compare_sites=slashdot.org&y =p&url=wikipedia.org and a two year comparison, http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=2y&size=large&compare_sites=slashdot.org&y= p&url=wikipedia.org#top

now that the Wikipedia entry has been Slashdotted,

Perhaps it was only a rumour, but it had a very positive effect on Meetro:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=meetro.com

However, it's not necessary for that trend to continue. For instance, look at the Dodgeball spike:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=dodgeball.com

Perhaps it was only a rumour, but it had a very positive effect on Meetro:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=meetro.com

However, it's not necessary for that trend to continue. For instance, look at the Dodgeball spike:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=dodgeball.com

This is offtopic, but because it didn't survive the submission I did I thought it would be best to post it attached to another Google story.

A few days ago I noticed several websites which are linked by default in the Google Personalized Homepage show staggering increases in web traffic and page views. According to Alexa.com Wired more than doubled and also Slashdot , the NY Times and the Washington Post show remarkable growth at the end of july.

Is this a redefinition of 'slashdotting' or is there something else going on?

This is offtopic, but because it didn't survive the submission I did I thought it would be best to post it attached to another Google story.

A few days ago I noticed several websites which are linked by default in the Google Personalized Homepage show staggering increases in web traffic and page views. According to Alexa.com Wired more than doubled and also Slashdot , the NY Times and the Washington Post show remarkable growth at the end of july.

Is this a redefinition of 'slashdotting' or is there something else going on?

This is offtopic, but because it didn't survive the submission I did I thought it would be best to post it attached to another Google story.

A few days ago I noticed several websites which are linked by default in the Google Personalized Homepage show staggering increases in web traffic and page views. According to Alexa.com Wired more than doubled and also Slashdot , the NY Times and the Washington Post show remarkable growth at the end of july.

Is this a redefinition of 'slashdotting' or is there something else going on?

This is offtopic, but because it didn't survive the submission I did I thought it would be best to post it attached to another Google story.

A few days ago I noticed several websites which are linked by default in the Google Personalized Homepage show staggering increases in web traffic and page views. According to Alexa.com Wired more than doubled and also Slashdot , the NY Times and the Washington Post show remarkable growth at the end of july.

Is this a redefinition of 'slashdotting' or is there something else going on?

This is offtopic, but because it didn't survive the submission I did I thought it would be best to post it attached to another Google story.

A few days ago I noticed several websites which are linked by default in the Google Personalized Homepage show staggering increases in web traffic and page views. According to Alexa.com Wired more than doubled and also Slashdot , the NY Times and the Washington Post show remarkable growth at the end of july.

Is this a redefinition of 'slashdotting' or is there something else going on?

Photobucket.com uses php, and a little perl (but not for serving pages). Objectify your php so that things remain very maintainable, write your perl so that someone can read it. What it comes down to is the fact that bad code can be written in any language, and good code can be written in any language.

Oh, yes Large-Scale.

I thought eBay used Java, no?
Technorati uses Java and is pretty big [1].
Simpy [2] uses Java.
Indeed [3] uses Java.
All 3 use Lucene [4] (Java search engine)

[1] http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=technorati.com
[2] http://simpy.com/
[3] http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=indeed.com
[4] http://lucene.apache.org/

I thought eBay used Java, no?
Technorati uses Java and is pretty big [1].
Simpy [2] uses Java.
Indeed [3] uses Java.
All 3 use Lucene [4] (Java search engine)

[1] http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=technorati.com
[2] http://simpy.com/
[3] http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=indeed.com
[4] http://lucene.apache.org/

* OpenBSD is focused 100% on security. They very tightly audit their code and control what goes in the distribution. In theory it shares code with FreeBSD, but in practice it lags behind (ie: last I knew it doesn't even have multiprocessor support because of security complications).

* NetBSD is designed with portability in mind. It runs on 17 different CPU families and over 60 different machine architectures. I've a feeling that the embedded systems folks love this OS. Because of the multiplatform focus it does lag somewhat in single-platform features.

* FreeBSD is the "mainstream" BSD distribution. It supports a range of modern x86-32 and x86-64 hardware with multiprocessor support (and has ports to some other supported CPUs where things like multiprocessor may not work), and enjoys features like a Linux compatibility layer (so you can run Linux x86 binaries, including 3D accelerated games like Unreal Tournament 2004). For it's users, the FreeBSD Ports Tree is the greatest software repository and distribution method in the know universe (eg: "cd /usr/ports/somesoftware" make; make install; make clean" to download source code, apply any BSD-specific patches, compile and install the binaries). FreeBSD is also used by some large companies for webhosting due to it's mixture of security and performance. For example, Yahoo has always been hosted on FreeBSD, and they're only the #1 and #4 most visited website on the internet (source).

* OSX is Apple's custom version of FreeBSD that only runs on Macs. The focus here is a friendly, hugable user interface slapped over the Unixy FreeBSD core. The concept is a bit like Microsoft Bob but without making you want to kill yourself quite so badly, the implementation is not terrible. I would say more, but I'm tired of people saying how "great" OSX is then pointing to the shiny UI. A shiny UI does not a great OS make, although it certainly is no worse or better than Windows XP when it comes to running applications (provided applications are available for it).

If you're not sure which one to try, install FreeBSD with the Gnome desktop. It has the potential to be an interesting afternoon's learning experience and there is a lot of documentation to guide you if something goes wrong. Get FreeBSD from the official site or via BitTorrent (and always check the MD5's from the official site after downloading).

I really like FreeBSD - however, I'm now officially tired of messing with my computer for the sake of messing with my computer. Linux and FreeBSD have both worn out their welcome in favor of Windows XP with it's autoupdate feature. Hey, Windows XP runs Firefox AND all my games.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=2y&size=medium&compare_sites=&y=t&url=googl e.com#top Tracked by alexa spyware anyways: seems their total traffic is up 6-10% in the last 3 months ;) just change google.com in the url to whatever url you want to check traffic on (the only useful thing spyware has ever done!) oh and the 230k reach per million surfers means insanely 23% of all traffic tracked by alexa goes thru google!

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=2y&size=medium&compare_sites=&y=t&url=googl e.com#top Tracked by alexa spyware anyways: seems their total traffic is up 6-10% in the last 3 months ;) just change google.com in the url to whatever domain you want to check traffic on (the only useful thing spyware has ever done!) oh and the 230k reach per million surfers means insanely 23% of all traffic tracked by alexa goes thru google!

At my company, back in the good ol' days, Internet usage was logged... but not monitored. So I would take some time out of the day every now and then to check my email, or read a news article, but that's all. I just kept in mind that I may or may not be being watched, so I kept it under control. The problem is though: I had an email checker installed on my computer, and the high-ups in the office actually believed I checked my email 3,000 times in one week. They also were under the impression that I love to browse http://thumbnails.alexa.com/ (Firefox Google thumbnail plugin, anyone?)

After hours of wasted time in the boss's office trying to explain what a script is... I got kind of fed up with the situation.

So now I have my BSD server listening for SSH connections on port 80, because the company's firewall won't let you connect out on 22. Every day I come to work, I SSH in, setup a tunnel, and startup sockd. Now I have unrestricted, unmonitored Internet access... and it's totally gotten out of hand.

I used to be a good worker... I really did. They got 95% of my time. Now they get at most 60%.

Good thing I work in the IT department.

Alexa lists Myspace as 26.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?q=myspace&u rl=http://www.myspace.com/

I would think that as a regular Internet surfer I would be able to easily rattle the top 5 sites off w/o hestitation.

According to Alexa, BBC News has a daily reach of about 20,000 per million. After the London bombings last week, that shot up to about 32,000.

So a daily reach of 32,000 per million means that 0.032 of users visit the BBC News website.

Now according to this article, the BBC news website had a record 115 million page views last Thursday, so with 5.9 page views per user (from Alexa), that's 19.49 million users.

Dividing 19.49 by 0.032 gives 609M.

Of course, something is totally out of whack because that article also states that the number of page views was 5 times normal, but that isn't reflected in either the reach or page views per user reported by Alexa.

Drupal is the leading open-source (written in PHP) content management system and is used to power tens of thousands of websites, blogs, community sites, etc. tens of thousands of websites makes you to call Drupal the leading open-source content management system? So... if a CMS powers more than 6,000,000 of sites, How do you call it? Any term OVER "leading" is accepted. There isn't any CMS project with more powered sites than PHP-Nuke (like it or not), that is a real reason to call a software LEADER, not just some miserable tens of thousands... give me a break!!! Need I so give you some more proofs? Take this!

If you think that 700,000 hits a month isn't very much, you must work for slashdot!

If you think that 700,000 hits a month isn't very much, you must work for slashdot!

From archive.org: Experiments in the Revival of Organisms 1940 Producer: Techfilm Studio, Moscow Sponsor: Soviet Film Agency This disturbing film records the successful experiments in the resuscitation of life to dead animals (dogs), as conducted by Dr. S.S. Bryukhonenko at the Institute of Experimental Physiology and Therapy, Voronezh, U.S.S.R. Director: D.I. Yashin. Camera: E.V. Kashina. Narrator: Professor Walter B. Cannon. Introduced by Professor J.B.S. Haldane. Descriptors: Animals: Dogs; Medicine: Veterinary: Experiments; Life extension Run time: 19:31 Color/B&W: B&W Silent/Sound: Sd Download: DivX 4.11 http://ftp.archive.org/movies/divx/19635.avi (67.8 MB) MPEG-2 http://ftp.archive.org/movies/mpeg2/19635.mpg (541.2 MB) Streaming: DSL/Cable http://barbra-public.alexa.com:8080/ramgen/net/mov ie1/0/pub/movies/realbb/19635.rm Dialup http://barbra-public.alexa.com:8080/ramgen/net/mov ie1/0/pub/movies/reallb/19635.rm

From archive.org: Experiments in the Revival of Organisms 1940 Producer: Techfilm Studio, Moscow Sponsor: Soviet Film Agency This disturbing film records the successful experiments in the resuscitation of life to dead animals (dogs), as conducted by Dr. S.S. Bryukhonenko at the Institute of Experimental Physiology and Therapy, Voronezh, U.S.S.R. Director: D.I. Yashin. Camera: E.V. Kashina. Narrator: Professor Walter B. Cannon. Introduced by Professor J.B.S. Haldane. Descriptors: Animals: Dogs; Medicine: Veterinary: Experiments; Life extension Run time: 19:31 Color/B&W: B&W Silent/Sound: Sd Download: DivX 4.11 http://ftp.archive.org/movies/divx/19635.avi (67.8 MB) MPEG-2 http://ftp.archive.org/movies/mpeg2/19635.mpg (541.2 MB) Streaming: DSL/Cable http://barbra-public.alexa.com:8080/ramgen/net/mov ie1/0/pub/movies/realbb/19635.rm Dialup http://barbra-public.alexa.com:8080/ramgen/net/mov ie1/0/pub/movies/reallb/19635.rm

Wikipedia has NOWHERE NEAR the readership the Times does

Are you sure about that? Alexa's ranking puts Wikipedia at number 41, while latimes.com isn't even in the top 100. Netcraft somewhat confirms it, giving en.wikipedia.org a site rank of 122 and 894 to www.latimes.com. Wikipedia's probably more popular than you think.

Google and Yahoo are much different companies today and part of working at either business means understanding really what each company is trying to do. Google is a technology company; Yahoo is now a media company. The biggest difference, however, is this:

Google makes money by keeping people on their website for as short a time as possible. Yahoo makes money by keeping people on their website for as long as possible. The Internet traffic statistics are quite telling.

http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?ts_mode=lan g&lang=en

Slashdot has created a Slashvertisement whose cover story is Paper thin! This unique design is enabled by lagging ad revenues. In addition to the fact that Alexa ranking has plummeted, the editors also have an inherently short memory effect which require no effort to maintain duplicate story postings - both of which drastically reduce time spent editing. The result is 1/100th the meaningful content of traditional tech news sites. CmdrTaco and Zonk have not yet announced a launch date for this product, but it is expected to be out of beta "real soon now".

With Firefox, the developer toolbar and Quirk SearchStatus, and you can learn all these things yourself.

I always check both Netcraft and Alexa to get two independent data points, just to be on the safe side.

For the record, Alexa has them at #23.
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=bbc.co.uk

The Presidio had 10+ terabytes of storage as of 1999 or 2000. It's where the Internet Archive and now-Amazon subsidiary Alexa Internet started.

If I remember correctly, around 1999, they had approximately 2B web pages on disk in the most recent snapshot, with the previous two snapshots on disk and another n snapshots on tape.

--Pat / zippy@cs.brandeis.edu

This clearly shows Funnyfox success:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=funnyfox.org/

But that's still nothing compared to Mozilla.org:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=funnyfox.org/#top

And yet, Mozilla.org is notihing compared to Microsoft.com:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=mozilla.org#top

But, of course, Google.com tops them all:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=microsoft.com#top

This clearly shows Funnyfox success:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=funnyfox.org/

But that's still nothing compared to Mozilla.org:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=funnyfox.org/#top

And yet, Mozilla.org is notihing compared to Microsoft.com:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=mozilla.org#top

But, of course, Google.com tops them all:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=microsoft.com#top

This clearly shows Funnyfox success:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=funnyfox.org/

But that's still nothing compared to Mozilla.org:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=funnyfox.org/#top

And yet, Mozilla.org is notihing compared to Microsoft.com:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=mozilla.org#top

But, of course, Google.com tops them all:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=microsoft.com#top

This clearly shows Funnyfox success:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? q=&url=funnyfox.org/

But that's still nothing compared to Mozilla.org:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=funnyfox.org/#top

And yet, Mozilla.org is notihing compared to Microsoft.com:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=mozilla.org#top

But, of course, Google.com tops them all:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details? &range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=microsoft.com#top