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"I will add that I've used many operating systems over the years, and the 'OS' has always referred to the complete package"

I wouldn't dare to suggest that computer science and not user perception is the best place to define an operating system.

Feel free to peruse this gem http://www.amazon.com/Operating-Systems-Design-Implementation-Second/dp/0136386776 . It is computer science coursework that explains how to write an operating system... err kernel as you say.

As it happens, the MINIX operating system... err kernel, was used as the basis for the book. Once upon a time, Linus Torvalds set out to write an operating system and used this material as reference.

The same author wrote another book, "A History of Operating Systems". You need the history to understand. In the early days all computer operators were programmers and the operating system provided an abstraction between manually controlling the individual hardware components with directly input binary. The drivers, boot system, and memory management were clearly part of that abstraction but since programs weren't even stored but were input one off there was no such thing as a userland program being part of the operating system!

Later storage became more common and some operating systems included some additional helpful applications to make writing your programs easier and later yet pre-written programs began to spread. In some cases like the later dos and apple systems the operating system wasn't even available separately so it became common to refer to the entire operating system distribution as an operating system for short. Many less informed (which ultimately was most) users didn't even realize it was a shortened term.

... there are fantastic 'teach yourself' books now published. There are primers that explain everything step by step. C++ console programming is perfect for beginners once you have c++ primer plus. It is one of the best books I have found for having the most cogent pedagogy. Stephen is really good at explaining everything so that you "Get it", plus it also gives you a language that *has power* so you're not stuck in la-la land.

http://www.amazon.com/Primer-Plus-5th-Stephen-Prata/dp/0672326973/

I was with you till your penultimate sentence. The prhase doesn't modify astronomers. English tolerates a certain amount of danglingness, though it severely lowers the register. You wouldn't use that ordering in formal writing, and it's awkward even in casual, but its meaning is clear from context. Of course, relying on context to disambiguate your modifiers is a serious disservice to your readers, and most grade school teachers (who believe in a far more rigid and Platonic version of English than the one that actually exists) would call it wrong, but, in fact, it's merely lame.

I still prefer this sort of dangling modifier to the awkwardness that results from using ambiguous verbs in sentences like "BP caps ruptured well, but more hurdles remain" or "May axes labour police beat pledge", even though Miss Thistlebottom would be hard-pressed to find a rules-based objection to these.

That said, I agree with everything else you said. The person who tried to claim that "astronomers" was the indirect object must have been on drugs. But faced with the imminent loss of a prominent and beautiful star from our sky, I find it hard to get too worked up about language nits. I spent the winter and spring checking Betelgeuse every night too see if it was still there, till it disappeared behind the sun. I'm excited at the prospect (however remote) of seeing a supernova that's visible with the naked eye, but saddened that it has to be this star which offers the prospect.

A quick google/amazon search does wonders.

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-3-2-Inch-Internet-Tablet-Android/dp/tech-data/B003X26VNM/ref=de_a_smtd

Its the size of cell-phone, runs android, plays media files, no contract. $134. The confusion might be that they are marketed as "tablets" when they are closest in format to smartphones or classic PDAs.

My (neurotypical) sister swears by Kaz Cooke's Girl Stuff, which has anything and everything to do with growing up from physical and emotional changes through to social stuff and beyond. If she's one of the people who is fine once they know how things work, then Queen Bees and Wannabes is also great - it essentially acts as a roadmap to dealing with adolescent bullshit (the movie Mean Girls is based on the model given in this book).

If she's anything like me, the best advice anyone can give is help her to understand the why. Generally speaking, if there's a system or mechanic to what's happening, we aspies are a lot happier with it than "it is what it is". Of course, I don't actually know her but if she fits this description, perhaps try and find a book that actually explains what's happening inside her body in terms that she can understand (sorry, no specific suggestion) -- just go into a local bookshop and ask if they have anything for girls growing up. Mentioning Aspergers likely won't bring up anything useful, and will send the staff in the wrong direction.
The main issue you'll find is a lot of advice will try to classify everything as being to do with aspergers, when in fact it has to do with a kid becoming a teenager. From what you've said, try and find books that are written by people with Aspergers Syndrome or Autism. They're out there, you just need to have a look (I had Freaks, Geeks and Aspergers Syndrome, but that's more for guys than girls). And because I can't pass up the opportunity to mention it, an absolutely adorable book is All cats have Aspergers Syndrome

My (neurotypical) sister swears by Kaz Cooke's Girl Stuff, which has anything and everything to do with growing up from physical and emotional changes through to social stuff and beyond. If she's one of the people who is fine once they know how things work, then Queen Bees and Wannabes is also great - it essentially acts as a roadmap to dealing with adolescent bullshit (the movie Mean Girls is based on the model given in this book).

If she's anything like me, the best advice anyone can give is help her to understand the why. Generally speaking, if there's a system or mechanic to what's happening, we aspies are a lot happier with it than "it is what it is". Of course, I don't actually know her but if she fits this description, perhaps try and find a book that actually explains what's happening inside her body in terms that she can understand (sorry, no specific suggestion) -- just go into a local bookshop and ask if they have anything for girls growing up. Mentioning Aspergers likely won't bring up anything useful, and will send the staff in the wrong direction.
The main issue you'll find is a lot of advice will try to classify everything as being to do with aspergers, when in fact it has to do with a kid becoming a teenager. From what you've said, try and find books that are written by people with Aspergers Syndrome or Autism. They're out there, you just need to have a look (I had Freaks, Geeks and Aspergers Syndrome, but that's more for guys than girls). And because I can't pass up the opportunity to mention it, an absolutely adorable book is All cats have Aspergers Syndrome

My (neurotypical) sister swears by Kaz Cooke's Girl Stuff, which has anything and everything to do with growing up from physical and emotional changes through to social stuff and beyond. If she's one of the people who is fine once they know how things work, then Queen Bees and Wannabes is also great - it essentially acts as a roadmap to dealing with adolescent bullshit (the movie Mean Girls is based on the model given in this book).

If she's anything like me, the best advice anyone can give is help her to understand the why. Generally speaking, if there's a system or mechanic to what's happening, we aspies are a lot happier with it than "it is what it is". Of course, I don't actually know her but if she fits this description, perhaps try and find a book that actually explains what's happening inside her body in terms that she can understand (sorry, no specific suggestion) -- just go into a local bookshop and ask if they have anything for girls growing up. Mentioning Aspergers likely won't bring up anything useful, and will send the staff in the wrong direction.
The main issue you'll find is a lot of advice will try to classify everything as being to do with aspergers, when in fact it has to do with a kid becoming a teenager. From what you've said, try and find books that are written by people with Aspergers Syndrome or Autism. They're out there, you just need to have a look (I had Freaks, Geeks and Aspergers Syndrome, but that's more for guys than girls). And because I can't pass up the opportunity to mention it, an absolutely adorable book is All cats have Aspergers Syndrome

Oh, citations.

http://www.amazon.com/Optical-Quantum-Blu-ray-Single-Layer-Recordable/dp/B002LU80QS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308884257&sr=8-1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130187&cm_re=bd-r-_-17-130-187-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817501067&cm_re=bd-r-_-17-501-067-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118049&cm_re=bd-r-_-27-118-049-_-Product

Verbatim discs seem to be a little more expensive, but not drastically so. One of those is a cheaper brand that comes in at exactly $1/disc but still gets positive reviews. Drives are still fairly expensive at this point, but not nearly as bad as one might expect.

Amazon books-especially Kindle books-just as in the iTunes music store uses the "long tail" business model: the vast majority of the products listed make very few, if any, sales. But semi-automated listing, marketing support, royalty aggregation and payment can encourage publication of works that would be too-long bets in the physical world of editing, design, tree-chopping, and trucking copies around the world.

I am quite happy that my young children's work, Spinners, is listed at Amazon for $0.99; it gets me a spot in Amazon's Author Central, it is a working introduction to both self-publishing and electronic publishing, and most importantly, immediately delivers a creative original work before millions of readers in the UK, DE, and the US. And, too, no one can predict which works may go viral and sell many orders of magnitudes than expected. But even if that does not happen, for $0.99 you are making available an illustrated book delivered in seconds that may be a wondrous ten minutes of quiet sharing between a harried father and his daughter before her sweet dreams.

http://www.amazon.com/Spinners-ebook/dp/B00571B9LQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308869902&sr=1-1
"Two blind spiders, Spencer and Spike, show the rest of the spiders in their tree the value of friendship and cooperation over sight."

You can't use the 70% option for a .99 book. The requirement is a price between 2.99 and 9.99 for the 70% option: List Price Requirements

its 70% if you pay for delivery costs as well. Kindle Direct Publishing Pricing Help

> You realize that all laptop power supplies out there currently handle 120 to 240w already?

I have a Thinkpad T61. It can huff and wheeze with a 65-watt supply, but NEEDS a 95-watt supply in order to charge the battery at normal speed while it's powered up. Otherwise, it will basically tread water, and barely treat the battery like a built-in UPS. I know this for a fact, because it came with the 95-watt supply, but I've been agonizing over Lenovo's new 65-watt PowerHub with built in powered USB hub (damn, why can't they make a 95-watt version of THAT?!?) which is technically compatible, if you can live with having to actually shut down the computer to actually CHARGE the battery.

Note: this is Lenovo's work of art: http://www.amazon.com/ThinkPad-65W-Adapter-USB-Hub/dp/tech-data/B0044KR91U

Other manufacturers make laptop power supplies that can supply 5v USB power for charging, but Lenovo's is the only one that's actually a real, honest to god powered USB hub.

Early adolescence is marked by poor abstract thinking abilities. As a result their curriculum is designed to be more concrete-based. This is what the title of the article, "Why Johnny can't program", aludes to. The title is borrowed from a book titled Why Johnny Can't Add: The Failure of the New Math, which identified a similar problem in the revised American math education of the 1960s & 70s. This new curriculum was designed by mathematicians without a great deal of consideration of their target audience, or how their target audience learned.

A computer programming curriculum that is heavily logic based has no hope in being taught to students who lack well-developed abstract thinking skills. This is why things like AgentSheets sees much success.

Well, the Bible thumpers have had their moments:

http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Saved-Civilization-Hinges-History/dp/0385418493

And Galileo _was_ a devout Catholic (which makes his story all the more poignant).

At least you got Turing's situation right. What we really need is for someone to make the explicit statement that ``Civil Unions'' should be accorded _all_ the legal rights, privileges and status as marriage and we could move on to solving real problems as opposed to arguing over labels. At least the UN got on board in a recent resolution:

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-17/world/un.lgbt.rights_1_gay-rights-human-rights-gay-pride-event?_s=PM:WORLD

Probably OT (thus why no karma bonus), but yeah, Aspergirls is pretty good.

An interesting read is send in the idiots (named after a phrase a classmate would say over and over), which is a bit of a mash-up of philosophy and science. It essentially explores autism - it's a series of anecdotes as the author tries to track down everyone he went to school with. While this is dealing with autism rather than aspergers, a lot of it translates over (I've got aspergers myself), it gives a bit of insight into how we tick.

If you were after a more concrete, "help me deal with problems" book then I doubt you'll find much out there. Aspergers affects everyone differently, so even if you can find something there's no guarantee it would be any help (For example, I'm hypersensitive to light and sound, wheras someone else might not be able to concentrate if they're wearing jeans). Rather, I suggest you check out this website. The views are diverse to say the least (ranging from hating ASD to loving it), but most people are well balanced and if you have any queries they should be more than happy to help you out

Maybe at some point she had her nose broken, since that's where the compass is for humans..

The book The Compass In Your Nose: And Other Astonishing Facts About Humans is a fun read for all.

I was writing in in Applesoft Basic in 3rd grade on the //e's in our classroom, and it compiled! =P That puts me at 6/7..

There's a picture somewhere of me reading http://www.amazon.com/Serious-Programming-Basic-Henry-Simpson/dp/0830626506/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308770040&sr=1-1 with a stuffed animal next to me. /nerd

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-MOMO-Racing-Wheel-pedals-button/dp/B00006JJIC

Restore to newly-created EC2 instances.
Contact Amazon directly for help.

Maybe he should have read this book.

Jeff Hawkins would probably mostly disagree with you.

Circuit board: $10
Computer chips: $80
Soldering iron: $30
Looking like a huge dork: Priceless.

Soldering iron for wearable is cheaper.

C++ didn't exist as a standardized language till 13 years ago.

It did, it just wasn't an ISO standard. This book was a defacto standard until ISO, though.

http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-Convertible-Multi-touch-Windows/dp/tech-data/B004NWL244

There are better solutions especially if you want the horsepower of a laptop while still having a decent touchscreen.

Bob Pease is also the author of the book "How to drive into accidents - and how not to".

Those who can, do; those who can't...

Bob Pease is also the author of the book "How to drive into accidents - and how not to".

Vodka is right of course, but in the super intelligent socialist infested collectivist fest that is Slashdot, where the majority of users believe that wealth is a privilege, that there is such a thing as a 'right to internet access' or a right to $good_that_is_not_a_right, that there is no such thing as property rights, and that democracy is 'fair', you are simply banging your head against the wall.

for all those that are open minded, who concede that they could be brainwashed but who wish not to be brainwashed, you need look no further than the following resources to convince you:

The Kingdom of Moltz
http://www.constitution.org/tax/us-ic/schiff/moltz.pdf

How an Economy Grows and Why it Doesnt, by Irwin Schiff
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8009736/Irwin-Schiff-How-an-Economy-Grows-and-Why-It-Doesnt

For a New Liberty, by Murray Rothbard:
http://mises.org/rothbard/newlibertywhole.asp

The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#

Thomas Woods, 'Where do rights come from?'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Lb8YitPs8

Economics in one lesson by Henry Hazlit:
http://www.amazon.com/Economics-One-Lesson-Shortest-Understand/dp/0517548232

What Has Government Done to Our Money? by Murray N. Rothbard
http://mises.org/money.asp

The Ethics of Liberty, by Murray N. Rothbard
http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/ethics.asp

And finally,

The Fallacy Detective
http://www.fallacydetective.com/products/item/the-fallacy-detective/

because faulty reasoning is behind most of the ideas that prop up economic illiteracy and the belief in government created 'rights'.

After having consumed these works, it will be impossible for anyone to think that... well, anything fallacious to do with Economics or rights. The question is, do you have the stomach to throw away bad ideas that have been ingrained into you, possibly for decades, that are the core of your personal philosophy?

I think it's worth noting that being a bookworm later in life doesn't mean you were always one. I had maybe half a dozen books when I was in high school, not counting the middle grade books I still had on my shelf from back when I did Pizza Hut's Book It program (which I note is still going on!). And even then it was only because, when I was a sophomore in high school, my brother had brought home a book about black holes that just blew my mind. After I realized the similar books said mostly the same things, I lost interest in reading again and went back to playing video games. Then, when I was 21, a friend from college lent me the first eleven Wheel of Time books, thus creating a monster.

Now I'm making up for lost time, but in the six intervening years my Goodreads read shelf has grown to over 200 books, and I probably forgot a bunch. I have turned my wife into a monster as well, and we have over a hundred dead tree books in our collection, forty in boxes for donation to the nonprofit attached to our local library, plus six checked out from the library at the moment.

Anyway the point is, just because the under-20 crowd are largely still mindless Facebook and YouTube and video-game consumer drones doesn't mean they'll stay that way forever. Also, just a personal note related to the story, my wife and I both love the smell of books, new and old, so an e-reader is not even on the radar. I've tried my mother's, and it's just not for me. I don't think TFA is wrong, however, just a bit sad.

If you're going to criticize other people's interpretation of the US Constitution you should at least understand their position before doing so. The case you're thinking of had nothing to do with X years being "limited" and X+n years being "unlimited".

No, you're (partially) wrong. The official position was both that X+n years counts as "unlimited" AND what you said. The head anti-copyright extension lawyer, Larry Lessig, explains it well in chapters 13 and 14 of his book Free Culture.

How could a finite number of years count as "unlimited"? It's pretty simple really, unless all you do is math all day (thus guaranteeing all Slashdotters will be confused). The constitution says "limited times". Clearly they just meant a finite number of years right? Wrong, because then Congress could just say that copyright lasts a trillion years. Do you really thing the intention was to allow a trillion years?? That interpretation makes the phrase "limited times" vacuous, and is implicitly calling the authors of the constitution idiots.

Yes, some work and argument is required to interpret and understand what "limited time" means. That is pretty common with laws—it is often not clear how to apply them to particular cases. Luckily, we have a whole branch of government (the judiciary) whose job it is to interpret laws.

No, that's an incentive. A nudge, at least as defined by this book, are changes in the way choices are presented that might affect humans, but would have no effect on the kind of purely rational agents that are described by much of econ theory.

Reckon they do.

Here you go:

http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/B004AYCWY4/

And which consensus are referring to exactly?

Amazon has a very nice page on AWS security you can read. http://aws.amazon.com/security/

Not sure what you are talking about. It says it is 29$ for the full version: http://www.amazon.com/Mac-version-10-6-3-Snow-Leopard/dp/B001AMHWP8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308295261&sr=8-1

Automotive Memory Saver

this + this = paparazzi-proof . Sell 'em to celebs for $2500 a pop.

" Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them is a satirical book on American politics by comedian, political commentator and now Senator Al Franken, published in 2003 link - Amazon.com Review

There is a chapter in Michael Abrash's Graphics Programming Blackbook called "Don't be a Compiler Johnny" that supports your statement.

Also there's already a "graphic novel" called "Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, and the Personal Computer"

Conan the Barbarian and most of the characters of discworld would disapprove. If you're going to die, do it AWESOMELY.

Cohen the Barbarian would probably be much more upset about you messing up his name, and for my money, dying on your own terms and in a method of your own choosing IS dying awesomely. I applaud you, Sir Terry

While we're at it, his full name is/was Genghiz Cohen the Barbarian (to wrap up as many simultaneous puns as possible), and he didn't exactly whimper off into that good night either. (Read The Last Hero if you don't know what I'm talking about.)

Cheers,

Because there isn't much gold (its quantity, for all intents and purposes, can't be changed) and it has been a medium of exchange for eons.

The speculative part of most bubbles comes later in the cycle. I suggest reading Crash Proof.

Now you're changing your requirements to fit my evidence. You asked me to find any full English transcripts for 2006 onwards. I was able to find full English transcripts from Osama's broadcasts in 2011 in about 20 seconds, thereby disproving your assertion that "it's not possible". Since you then threw in the "mid 90's", I would suggest:

http://www.amazon.com/Messages-World-Statements-Osama-Laden/dp/1844670457

It's a very nice guide to Osama's writing from the mid 90's up to 2004, I used it in a class on modern Islam.

If you're worried about the accuracy, we're back to "learn it yourself" or consider finding someone you trust who already knows the language to verify the translation. This is back to trust, which you frankly seem to be trying to avoid. You could even use a site like mechanical turk - get several different disconnected strangers to translate it, and if they agree then you can probably trust the results (or there's a very large conspiracy, at which point there's no good advice I can give you.)

As to your issue with learning Arabic: "Do you seriously suggest that citizens of a supposedly free country must learn Arabic instead of insisting that their democracy actually functions?"

what? A functioning democracy isn't usually described as having free translation services for citizens too lazy to do the work themselves. Ignoring that, if you're really concerned about the lack of quality translation, you don't need to learn all those languages. Just find some people who share your distrust in everyone else and split up the work. I took first year arabic as part of my Middle Eastern studies minor - its a complete bitch, but it's not impossible. When I was in Morocco there were many shop owners who could speak passable French, Arabic, English, Spanish and Dutch. If you really wanted to learn these languages so you could study the world outside the english enclave you could, but I think you prefer to shout about how the man is oppressing you by not providing timely translations instead.

Finally, I think you have the sleeping part backwards. I went out of my way to learn about the Middle East, assimilate in Morocco and learn some Arabic. You just whine about the government not doing this for you. You're just in a nightmare of your own making.

Without the need to work, how will money ever come into the equation when the necessities of life are provided free of cost?

In communism there is no money or the government, according to Marx et al.

will people need government/police/administration when there is no longer a monetary system in place?

Science fiction says that yes, some sort of a governing council will have to be there to make policy decisions. This is counter to Marx, who obviously didn't think it through. Direct democracy is not viable outside of a small village. Representative democracy == governing council.

greed, which is the cause of *in my opinion* the vast majority of all crimes.

Crime statistics show that plenty of violent crime today is caused by personal likes and dislikes. Alpha male gangbangers kill their opponents; wives poison their unwanted husbands; husbands strangle their unwanted wives; psychos kill their kids; sex maniacs rape and kill everyone; politicians, in search of gratification of power, sic armies at whole countries... These reasons will stay with us regadless of the economy.

Remove money from the equation and suddenly there is no longer room for a class system in society

Students in school are not dependent on money in interactions between each other. However they quickly form a class system based on other factors; in a pinch, any differentiating factor will do. This is because forming tribes is in our genes.

Luckily we won't have to worry about any of this as the international banking interests that control society will never let truly free energy become available, else their entire livelihoods will cease to exist.

Yes, the transition problem is a hard nut to crack. That's why most of science fiction prefers to gloss it over, and begin the story in a fully formed society of wealth. Some authors go into those gory details, and then the story gets dark and bloody.

One important issue on the transition road is that many people enjoy power over other people. And huge numbers of people have some power over others. These people will lose that power in communism. So they become natural antagonists of any such "free energy." It helps them greatly that they are in power - they can nuke the inventor and his apparatus if they want to; or they can kill him quietly; or they can destroy his scientific credentials. I'm looking at Mr. Rossi, it will be of great interest to see how his invention develops.

If you're inclined, go listen to this for some insight into the incredibly poisonous management-labor relationships at GM. I'll also note that there were a couple of stories in this book that detailed how workers intentionally screwed cars up as a fuck-you to the company.

Yes, cheap parts mattered, but shoddy work is shoddy work.

And you can build your own Bad-ass Lego Guns to fight the rich:
http://www.amazon.com/Badass-LEGO-Guns-Building-Instructions/dp/1593272847

Very cute but utterly pointless. I shoot regularly. A 308 rifle will handily kill a man wearing body armor at sever hundred yards. Personally, I'm only effective out to about 300 yards. Beyond that, it's a matter of luck. But a dedicated marksman can do the job out to 1000 yards. In the event of a really bad economic collapse, people with specialized skills will be able to find employment of one form or another. When some downsized military sniper can only feed his children by employing his ability to kill people at great distances, how cute will your lego guns be?

LK

There are small, emergency power generators that run on natural gas

What would happen if there were, just for arguments sake, dissident Americans........ Pause..

For the sake of argument? You don't think there are people engaged in dissent? Really? Well, there are dissenters of many flavors, from the fringe to more main stream.

And guess what? They have the same option as everybody else - they go into the voting booth and vote for the party of their choice, just like the rest of America. If they don't like the local laws, they can try to change them or move. (Massachusetts has state run health care, California is engaging in an interesting physics experiment - can financial implosions lead to the formation of a black hole, Texas is generating a disproportionate share of jobs, for a few possible destinations. Every state has its unique charms.)

In the meantime, they publish magazine articles, books and web sites, radio, as well as make use of other media.

If they engage in terrorism that kills people, they get hunted down like dogs, until they get friends.

Really, is this news to you? You probably should have paused earlier.

Con artists. There is work that makes us richer as a society, and work that makes us poorer. Ben Lindquist

Stupid arguments over how revenue is being booked are completely irrelevant. ...do we really think that we are so smart that we've noticed this and not one of the investors at IPO will?

You can ask AOL investors about how the way revenue is booked matters. They were recording revenues in a way the was eventually deemed fraudulent, several times in the company's history, in different ways each time, with warnings from accounting and financial regulators issued to investors well before the fraud was discovered. Each time the fraud was confirmed and revealed to the public the stock price dropped drastically.

You might want to pick up a copy of Financial Shenanigans. The chapter on AOL's revenue reporting is assigned in the Level 2 Chartered Financial Analyst curriculum. Time Warner is feeling the brunt of the latest AOL revenue fraud now.

So yeah, the IPO investors may all be missing something. And the people that noticed either a) got early access to the IPO with a preferential price and sold to the next sucker with a hefty same day return b) underwrote the IPO for a fee with no investment risk OR c) never bought the stock of Groupon. Your kind of thinking is what the investment bankers and institutional investors depend on to help them get their $10 Million+ bonuses.