Slashdot Mirror

Americas:
http://www.zdnet.com/ - Ziff-Davis, North America
http://download.cnet.com/ - CNET/Download.com, California
ftp://.beoscentral.com/pub/ - BeOS CentralJohnson City, TN
http://freebe.nerdygirls.com/ - Oak Ridge, TN
ftp://www.beforever.com/pub/beforever /freebe/ - BeForever, Omaha, NE
ftp://mirrors.rochester.rr.com/pub/be/ - RoadRunner.Com, Rochester, NY
ftp://ftp.be.com/pub/beos/ - Be, Inc. San Jose, CA

Europe/Australia:
ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/beos/ - AARNet, Brisbane, Australia
ftp://ftp.beeurope.com/pub/ - BeEurope, Paris, France
ftp://ftp.worldonline.fr/ - World Online, Paris, France
ftp://ftp.gigabell.net/pub/beos/ - Gigabell.Net, Frankfurt, Germany
ftp://ftp.ph-freiburg.de/pub/m irrors/ftp.be.com/beos - P.H. Freiburg, Freiburg, Germany
http://www.computerchannel.de/download /beos/ - ComputerChannel, Hamburg, Germany
ftp://ftp.xtdnet.com/pub/ - XTDNet, Karlsruhe, Germany
ftp://ftp.zdf.de/pub/ - Neues-3Sat Online, Mainz, Germany
http://pcteor1.mi.infn.it/beos/ - Univ. of Milan, Milan, Italy
ftp://dl.xs4all.nl/pub/ - XS4All, Amsterdam, Netherlands
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/BeOS/ - SUNET, Uppsala, Sweden

BeOS's got a new logo and the list of the new features is here. Still more detail in here (complete list actually).

BeOS's got a new logo and the list of the new features is here. Still more detail in here (complete list actually).

BeOS's got a new logo and the list of the new features is here. Still more detail in here (complete list actually).

http://www.be.com/products/freebeos/
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Actually, the Free BeOS ver 5 download is on Tuesday, March 28. I know that me and half the Geek World will be downloading the bastard OS. With my luck, we'll slashdot all the server and all the mirrors within a half an hour. Right about when I have 59 megs of the 60 meg download. ARGG!

if you guys like, you can see the future nesting site of the BeOS5 here.

There's nothing there yet.

Rami James
Pixel Pusher
Altec Lansing R&D, IL

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Be thinks Apple's not releasing specs, but Be's not R.E.ing anything. What Be doesn't understand (I've mailed them about this) is that Apple provides the complete source for the kernel of Mac OS 10 (not X).

Be thinks Apple's not releasing specs, but Be's not R.E.ing anything. What Be doesn't understand (I've mailed them about this) is that Apple provides the complete source for the kernel of Mac OS 10 (not X).

BTW, BeOS will be available for free [as in beer] download on March 28th, at free.be.com.

take a look at http://www.linux-hacker.net, there's no more site!!!
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BeDevId 15453
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I want to try Beos. Does anyone know if the free release is out yet? I'm to lazy to go look. :)

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Simple question: does this project here have anything in common with /A> for BeOS, or are am I simply caught in a hell of Acronym Overlap Confusion?

this whole thing about apple keeping their hardware secret is simply not true anyway. i don't know why people continue to think it is.

They think it because of what Be says about running BeOS on G3 Macs.

They also think it because, in general, you usually only see MacOS running on Mac hardware.

this whole thing about apple keeping their hardware secret is simply not true anyway. i don't know why people continue to think it is.

They think it because of what Be says about running BeOS on G3 Macs.

They also think it because, in general, you usually only see MacOS running on Mac hardware.

it'll be d/l freely March 28th, the news has been published on most web site yesterday (except /. of course because BeOS is not linux)
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BeDevId 15453
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The free version of BeOS R5 does come out at the above mentioned address but not until March 28th

i didn't know it exists, i'll have to reinstall MythII one day to play with this :) I love Lego a lot, especially Technic, how and also i have the lego box number "1", pretty cool.
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they will never been able to do this... take an example of China trying to block a lot of site and they CAN'T. Even if germans put filter on their backbone router to detect "MP3", if you zipped your MP3 the router will see nothing special... it makes me laugh what government are trying to do :) Internet is free and will always be.
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BeDevId 15453
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Acutally, BeOS has all the groundwork for a multi-user system built in. If you look at your files in the BeOS shell, you'll find they're owned by "Baron". Eventually, when they get enough time/demand, they will invest the time to finish the job.

Of course, with its mediocre network performance, BeOS wouldn't be too useful as a multi-user platform. That's set to change with the inclusion of the network system into the kernel (as opposed to the net_server). BeOsNetworkingEnvironment (BONE) ... I think... is the name for the new subsystem.

Check out Free Be in a week or two!

The underlying infrastructure for supporting multiple logins and multiple users' preferences is there, and the facility will likely appear in a future release.

The underlying infrastructure for supporting multiple logins and multiple users' preferences is there, and the facility will likely appear in a future release.

That's funny, I thought that Unix was based on a monolithic kernel... silly semantics

I see Unix being more able to adapt in todays fast changing Information Technology world than other operating systems based on monolithic kernels.

But that's not what I really wanted to comment on.

I would love to see some of the best coders and operating systems people put together a new OS from scratch using the latest techniques.

Ideally this would create an ultra stable

working with Photoshop (etc).

Alternatives are out there. You just haven't found them.

-rt
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Now, I think it would be GOOD to buy FIVE or SIX STUDEBAKERS
and CRUISE for ARTIFICIAL FLAVORING!!

but after almost 10 years of using all kind of unix flavors, mostly HPUX, i'm using BeOS, so maybe un*x will never die but will be replaced by some new OS which look like un*x, for end user. Of course for a company running a big webserver or whatever, a true unix like BSD is the best! What make un*x beautiful is its difficulty to configure, i like it! i like to hack every config files on unix, i spent too much hours on HPUx i guess...
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BeDevId 15453
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you can read it online, if every server put these informations in their configuration, it can also helps traceroute problems etc
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you know there's a world around Linux, in this world there's BeOS, the RealPlayer (audio/video) is available for BeOS in a close beta, but according to feedback i had, it works great! so maybe the MS codec will be included in the BeOS RealPlayer too!
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BeDevId 15453
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This Is Pretty/Very Old But Anyway...
i have seen this stuff more than THREE years ago on Canal+ , a french channel...
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BeDevId 15453
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the TGV is a french "normal" train and its max speed is 515 km/h iirc, so "normal" train still have a long life! maglev or others exist for decades but are too expensive...
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BeDevId 15453
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According to the Free Be FAQ, yes you will need Windows:

Q: Will I be able to install BeOS 5 Free Version within operating systems other than Windows?

A:Not at this time.

For more info, check out this story from BeNews.

I am as concerned as you about the ever-advancing march of closed-source graphics drivers. I currently make my living writing graphics drivers for BeOS and, even with a signed NDA, a lot of times it is like pulling the eye teeth of a moose on PCP to get any kind of documentation out of these guys (assuming they'll talk to you at all (HEY! NeoMagic!! You trying to get left out of the Internet Appliance market? Answer your email!! )).

However, I think this is a prime opportunity for the community to establish a guideline concerning hardware purchases: If there aren't Open Source drivers for it, don't buy it.

I'm currently parts shopping for a firewall. I've already decided that the motherboard is going to be based on the Intel 810 chipset. I could probably get a board based on a different chipset for cheaper. My decision was based not on price, but on the fact that Intel released complete programming docs for the I810. And they're good docs, not just a list of registers with terse descriptions. This made my job writing a BeOS driver for it a lot easier.

I wish to support this behavior with my dollars, so I'm getting an I810-based board. I would encourage others to consider such a philosophy. You may have to forego a few FPS in Quake[123], at least until the guilty vendors choose to see things differently. But by that time, the card will be cheaper, anyway, so you'll save a few bucks in the bargain :-).

Schwab

i know there's someone that want to port FreeMWare/plex86 to BeOS, here's his page
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BeDevId 15453
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This Is Pretty Old But Anyway... i know the realweasel card for almost one year! and it's a canadian product :o)
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5) Revolutionary UNIX GUIs

All respect for info appliances, but we also need a workstation-style interface that can help knowledge workers survive the information flood of modern society. And that's where I think we really need revolutionary designs that go beyond the Mac. For example, ways of managing tens of thousands of documents by a rich set of attributes and content-oriented navigation. Simply showing files as icons in folders doesn't cut it beyond a few hundred.

We also know from many studies that the average user is very bad at hierarchical filing and typically never moves a file once it gets to live in some directory. Even if the file would be better off elsewhere. This problem is magnified several hundred times when it comes to managing email. I am starting to think that the solution is to treat information objects as members of a soup and manage them by attributes rather than by hierarchy and name.

With regards to the above answer, how does everyone here feel about something like the additional (and user-defined) attributes in the BeOS file system, where all the additional e-mail info (subject, header, etc. is contained in attributes attached to the main document.

Alternatively, what about a product like The Brain from Natrificial, which creates a linked 'web' of parent/child attributes to all documents in the FS? Do you find these products more or less usable than others, and are they the right road to be traveling down, or is another direction needed?

http://spacepr ojects.arc.nasa.gov/Space_Projects/pioneer/PNStat. html
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BeDevId 15453
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Everyone know Pionner 10, well, this "old" thing has been launch in March 2nd, 1972, so it has 28 years old today, happy birthday Pionner 10!
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check this link about a woman that want to patent herself, i submitted it as a story two days ago.
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BeDevId 15453
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oh no, not this link again :o)
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Oops of course you are correct. That'll teach me not to sound off. The link to the BeOS framework documentation is here.

Information on programming Be message loops is here

The bit which I think makes it cooler than MFC is that it does not rely on ugly macros to implement the dispatching.

I really hate the unaesthetic use of macros. I wonder if the "large vtable issue" is still an issue these days ?

At one point I considered learning Win95 MFC "for fun" in my spare time. When I got to the bit in Prosie's book about message maps, I decided to spend the time on something else.

Oops of course you are correct. That'll teach me not to sound off. The link to the BeOS framework documentation is here.

Information on programming Be message loops is here

The bit which I think makes it cooler than MFC is that it does not rely on ugly macros to implement the dispatching.

I really hate the unaesthetic use of macros. I wonder if the "large vtable issue" is still an issue these days ?

At one point I considered learning Win95 MFC "for fun" in my spare time. When I got to the bit in Prosie's book about message maps, I decided to spend the time on something else.

Actually, the BeOS kernel is written in C. See this and this for more info.

Actually, the BeOS kernel is written in C. See this and this for more info.

Perhaps BeOS?

Be has been and probably will continue to be realistic about their chances on the desktop world. That's why BeOS 5 is going to be free. With Microsoft owning the preloads on the Intel side and Apple not allowing any type of clone, and with Linux encroaching on both, Be really doesn't stand much chance of "making it big" on the desktop side.

Which is really sad because this OS kicks ass. I have a dual PII 400 system at home running Be and Linux at home. Now, I use linux as my primary OS, but when I really want to see my machine go fast, maybe rendering something in Blender or just surfing along the web, I switch over to Be. Because the whole OS/Application platform API is inherently multithreaded, it really takes advantage of the hardware.

As BeIA, though, more people will get to experience what a modern desktop operating system can feel like. It's stable, modular, configurable, and damn fast. They've got a very good chance to own a chunk of this market from the get go, and get on the road to profitability. Unlike certain other profitable OS products out there, these guys really deserve to make it.

Sujal

Hello folks,

You can find screenshots of BeIA under here. Note that these files are huge. Look at the dates and download.

Enjoy
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About BeOS being UNIX based:

http://www-classic.be.c om/support/qandas/faqs/faq-0131.html

and

http://www-classic.be.c om/support/qandas/faqs/faq-0152.html

steve

About BeOS being UNIX based:

http://www-classic.be.c om/support/qandas/faqs/faq-0131.html

and

http://www-classic.be.c om/support/qandas/faqs/faq-0152.html

steve

Another nice thing is the filesystem of BeIA, which will be database like, and allows the users to create their own file types with special attributes. This, and the ability to search for specifially search for these attributes, the system will be suited very well for technical/scientifical applications, says Heise.

That sounds somewhat like BFS, the BeOS file system, as described in Practical File System Design with the Be File System. The BeIA file system may be BFS, or a variant thereof (the Be press release says "At the foundation of BeIA are a core set of system functions, leveraged from BeOS, which talk directly to the individual hardware designs.")

Section 4.8 "Attributes" of that book says that a file (or can have) associated with it a directory (not part of the normal directory hierarchy; the only reference to it is, presumably, via the file's inode), and in that directory are files that correspond to the file's attributes, with the name of the attribute being the name of the file and the value of the attribute being the contents of the file. They later added a mechanism to store small attributes in the inode itself.

(ReiserFS might obviate the need for such a mechanism, although, from the stuff on ReiserFS, having a separate name space for attributes might be considered an anathema.)

BFS also supports indices of attributes, allowing searches for files with particular attributes.

Well here's what Jean Louise Gasse had to say in the latest online newsletter. Be newsletter Not only that but it talks how their new networking kit(?) called BONE (BeOS Networking Environment) fits into the picture. All in all a good read, even if you don't like the BeOS.

Here's the press release from Be themselves (in English): Press Release

http://www.speakfreely.org

• It is free
• It is open source
• It has strong encryption, and comes from Switzerland
• You can set the UDP port number so it can't be blocked
• It runs on Windows and Unix (including Linux) and I'm tinkering with a BeOS port
• It offers a wide choice of voice compression and transmission protocols.

It takes a little figuring out to learn how to use it. It's pretty tricky to get it work on Linux but I understand they've done a lot of work to address that.

Mike Crawford
GoingWare - Expert Software Development and Consulting
http://www.goingware.com
crawford@goingware.com

So it took me all of 20 seconds to find this at www.be.com. here's an excerpt:

"No, the BeOS is not compatible with Apple's "G3" systems. We have requested from Apple the detailed technical specifications we would need to provide support for these systems, and Apple has declined our requests.
This information, concerning the design of the logicboard (including information about address spaces, custom logic chips, etc.), is available only from Apple. It is available only under non-disclosure, and only to "Mac OS licensees.""