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Here's a nicely formatted list of mirrors for you lazy bastards ;)
Let's make the slashdot effect on xfree86.org a little more bearable :)
ftp://ftp.calderasystems.com/pub/mirrors/xfree86
ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/XFree86
ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/XFree86
ftp://download.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/XFree86
ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/pub/XFree86
ftp://ftp.infomagic.com/pub/mirrors/XFree86
ftp://mirror.sftw.com/pub/XFree86
ftp://phyppro1.phy.bnl.gov/pub/XFree86
ftp://ftp.rge.com/pub/X/XFree86
ftp://ftp.valinux.com/pub/mirrors/xfree86

First of all you will note that I said "Linux" I spoke not of BSD don't know enough to know if the Linux emulation layer would work for this or not. The link I gave in my first post gives you everything you need to run it as a server and here. is the information for setting up the client. Note if you look at the installation instructions they have Caldera, RH (which I would think Mandrake is close enough for) and other. Have fun.

1. Caldera Systems, Inc.
2. Red Hat
3. Rebel.com

Caldera created Cosmos to solve this very problem. Automatically push updates to all your linux boxes with the click of a mouse. Less web candy (but themeable!) than RC it seems, but infinitely more manageable. 'Cept it won't do debs quite yet. It looks interesting to me.

Per this c|net story, pretty much all of the major distro's are gearing up for beta releases of new versions so they will be ready when the 2.4 kernel goes final.

Caldera will even be selling their beta as a $20 'Linux 2.4 Technology Developer Release Preview'. If find this humorous, in that not only would you be paying to run beta software, you'd be paying to run beta open source software. But they will rebate the purchase price back to you, so your really just paying shipping. (or you can just download it).


Help

Check out their website and their ftp site for the ISO image.

Caldera's Linux 2.4 Technology Preview includes:

• Preview of Linux 2.4 kernel technology
• Beta preview of Java 2 platform for Linux, version 1.3
• Java HotSpot Client and Server Virtual Machines
• glibc 2.1.91: (2.2 beta)
• Latest C/C++ Linux development tools
• KDE 2.0 Development Snapshot
• Improved USB support
• PHP3 and PHP4 for rapid development of dynamic Web sites

This is not to be confused with Caldera's confusing versioning scheme in which 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 all were based on Linux kernel 2.2.x. Maybe Caldera will jump up to 7.0 when the real 2.4.0-honest-to-God comes out in October 200x, and RedHat, Mandrake, Slackware, and SuSE all come out with 8.0.

Caldera announced the Linux Technology Preview last week with similar things thrown in. I've tried it and it's pretty solid. Get the ISO, or it's "free" if you buy it from the store (with a mail-in coupon).

Standards? There are two standards LSB & 'The Red Hat way'. If the community should be supporting anyone it should be Caldera.

And before that there was TAMU...

And before that there was MCC...

And before that there was H.J. Lu's boot/root floppies...

And before that there was, well, one 5.25" floppy that more-or-less kinda booted to some kind of prompt.

Ah, the good old days. Does anyone remember when Erik Ratcliffe, now of Caldera fame, wrote the very first text on how to get Linux to boot from your HD back in mid-1992? I bet it was probably one of the first pre-HOWTO's ever.

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My experience with Dell and RedHat Linux was rather distrubing. We purchased a Dell PowerEdge 2400 (with the PERC2/si Raid Card) when recieved the machine it was not preloaded. In fact the raid driver was not finished. They finaly got us the driver after three weeks when to out suprise the driver was compiled for a specific version of the kernel (Dell's Special Tweaked version) which had a PPP problem (which we needed). I guess my point is RedHat and Dell get all sort of publicity for being open sourced, but yet we could not get the source code to compile the driver ourselves. Yet company like Caldera, IBM, and Mandrake get some publicity but it is almost an after thought. This is just my opinion. Peace Out.

;-)

It can't be revenues ($3 million in '99) or profits ($9.4 million loss in '99).

Caldera Systems' products would appear to be proprietary Linux ports of Noorda's, I mean, Novell's successful and fast-growing Netware line plus Red Hat-based OpenLinux distro. The Lizard installer (co-developed with TrollTech) seems to have been finally open-sourced last September under TrollTech's QPL but the only reference to COAS licensing seemed to imply that the source will only be released after the administration tools are developed , whatever that means.

Offering only approximately 5% of the stock to the public is a time-tested method of increasing demand by artificially restricting supply. Ray Noorda (holding 73% after IPO) will be laughing all the way to the bank even if the IPO tanks. Even Sun, SCO, Citrix etc. got their pre-IPO shares at $6 a few months ago while TrollTech got theirs via equity swap. However the common man only "wins" if the company is really going to be worth over $1 billion in the not too distant future. Also be warned that daytraders and marketmakers (both well-known market manipulators) may quickly boost the price quite high after opening but they're also able to dump their "holdings" in a split second when the price starts heading south.

Are people even aware that this Caldera Systems, Inc. isn't the same as Caldera, Inc.? Since they took over www.caldera.com from their mother company any references to the latter have been hard to find. At least they're still proudly carrying a link to the Caldera vs. Microsoft (SETTLED!) page, even though the dough went to the old Caldera, Inc. instead. I hope that the DOJ's case will finally produce Microsoft a guilty verdict instead because it would be too painful to see Gates (unrelated tip: try searching Chairman Gates' site for "Linux") proclaiming again how Microsoft has never, ever done anything remotely naughty, how the operating system and Office suite markets are, as always, extremely competitive and how they only settled to be able to better continue innovating for their customers...

Anyways, it will be interesting to see what impact the nouveau rich Caldera Systems, Inc. will have on Red Hat's market valuation and strategies; both of these primarily server and service-oriented companies are going to be accountable for their shareholders' financial well-being. With Caldera Systems, Inc. IPO already priced above Corel's market valuation perhaps Red Hat should reconsider strengthening their position by buying out Corel (currently valued at only 10% of RHAT market cap), selling Corel's investments in other companies for cash and then creating a number of subsidiaries with their own lucrative IPO's of the Corel product lines as e.g. the WordPerfect Office Corp., the Corel Draw and Publishing Corp., the Red Corel Linux OS for desktop etc. Say what you will but competition between these Linux-based companies is going to get started.

It can't be revenues ($3 million in '99) or profits ($9.4 million loss in '99).

Caldera Systems' products would appear to be proprietary Linux ports of Noorda's, I mean, Novell's successful and fast-growing Netware line plus Red Hat-based OpenLinux distro. The Lizard installer (co-developed with TrollTech) seems to have been finally open-sourced last September under TrollTech's QPL but the only reference to COAS licensing seemed to imply that the source will only be released after the administration tools are developed , whatever that means.

Offering only approximately 5% of the stock to the public is a time-tested method of increasing demand by artificially restricting supply. Ray Noorda (holding 73% after IPO) will be laughing all the way to the bank even if the IPO tanks. Even Sun, SCO, Citrix etc. got their pre-IPO shares at $6 a few months ago while TrollTech got theirs via equity swap. However the common man only "wins" if the company is really going to be worth over $1 billion in the not too distant future. Also be warned that daytraders and marketmakers (both well-known market manipulators) may quickly boost the price quite high after opening but they're also able to dump their "holdings" in a split second when the price starts heading south.

Are people even aware that this Caldera Systems, Inc. isn't the same as Caldera, Inc.? Since they took over www.caldera.com from their mother company any references to the latter have been hard to find. At least they're still proudly carrying a link to the Caldera vs. Microsoft (SETTLED!) page, even though the dough went to the old Caldera, Inc. instead. I hope that the DOJ's case will finally produce Microsoft a guilty verdict instead because it would be too painful to see Gates (unrelated tip: try searching Chairman Gates' site for "Linux") proclaiming again how Microsoft has never, ever done anything remotely naughty, how the operating system and Office suite markets are, as always, extremely competitive and how they only settled to be able to better continue innovating for their customers...

Anyways, it will be interesting to see what impact the nouveau rich Caldera Systems, Inc. will have on Red Hat's market valuation and strategies; both of these primarily server and service-oriented companies are going to be accountable for their shareholders' financial well-being. With Caldera Systems, Inc. IPO already priced above Corel's market valuation perhaps Red Hat should reconsider strengthening their position by buying out Corel (currently valued at only 10% of RHAT market cap), selling Corel's investments in other companies for cash and then creating a number of subsidiaries with their own lucrative IPO's of the Corel product lines as e.g. the WordPerfect Office Corp., the Corel Draw and Publishing Corp., the Red Corel Linux OS for desktop etc. Say what you will but competition between these Linux-based companies is going to get started.

I don't quite see this "unanimous standardization" that you are referring to. Redhat and TurboLinux both offer Gnome as the default desktop. Mandrake, OpenLinux, and Corel Linux offer KDE as the default. Most distributions offer both as desktop choices.

Like it or not, while the Linux community is doing the parallel development thing, in the Linux industry, the race is pretty much over.

Far from it. I can name 3 companies devoting many manhours and cash to Gnome development: RHAD Labs, Eazel, and Helix Code. Companies such as MandrakeSoft and Corel are funding KDE development. The race, if anything, is just beginning to get interesting...

Yeah, I know about Eazel. Judging by the amount of hype they've generated, all I can say about them is: show me the code.

okay:

here is some of it.
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I don't think the caldera client is NDS aware. There's two different things going on... the first is the IPX bit that lets you use a novell server, log in to the server, use its resources. The second is the NDS Tree which allows you to use any resource you have rights to use on the entire LAN (or WAN), which can extend over several servers, or geographical locations.
The Caldera client is a full NW client - including NDS and bindary logins. you may be confusing it with MARS_NWE which emulates a server, but can only manage bindary support (and comes with a login client and an IPX stack for linux)
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• ftp://ftp.infomagic.com/pub/mirrors/XFr ee86
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Alas, OpenLinux 2.3 was released before the new logo and corporate look were created. The companies became separate in 1998, as the press releases at Lineo and Caldera Systems make clear. You are mistakenly conflating logos, companies, and dates.

according to: http://www.calderasystems.com/company/, Caldera Systems, Inc. is a registered trademark of Caldera, Inc. I'm guessing that Caldera, Inc owns Caldera Systems?

Furthermore, the math that folks have been doing (i.e. 3 cents per share * # shares microsoft) is flawed. Nobody really knows how much MS is actually paying, and nobody is going to tell either. I don't know, but I feel very confident that the total amount is much more than the alledged 150 million. Of course I don't know, since nobody around here will talk numbers (per the agreement with MS).

I am an employee of Lineo, but I'm not speaking for them (as if they would trust me).

Sure, it's old and clunky, but it gives you a pretty solid start so you can tweak it to your exact VGA/monitor combination. It may take you a good hour or so before you can say you've got all your modelines set up in an optimal fashion....

BUT REMEMBER!! - once you've done it, dump that XF86Config file on a floppy and forget about it! - should you decide to ever re-install that spanking new version of Red Hat on your system; you can just retrieve that config file and put it where it should be.... just copy and go!

Same with conf.modules/modules.conf; why bother remembering the arcane module parameters you used to get that elderly sound card working when you can just back it up and keep it for next time ?

My point ?

XFree86 is *not* Windows; it doesn't even pretend to be - the fact that it uses a graphics display and a mouse are purely irrelevant; and before you Microsoft zealots go on about Windows and its fabulous ability to automatically setup a display adapter and the connected monitor - NT can't even be set up with the proper monitor settings; it gets all its info from the graphics card driver.... so it's still possible to misconfigure your graphics system to a point where you can't even use it!

At least I can drop to a text mode shell under UNIX, I can't under NT :-))

For what it's worth; I have found Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 to have extensive support for monitors under XFree86; it comes with definitions for tons of monitors - and it even lists mine by name where Windoze '98 doesn't (Philips Brilliance 1720). Personally, I don't use Caldera; but find it an ideal distro to recommend to the typical Linux newbie - primarily for this reason!

Just my two cents!
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[space considerations preclude listing all the myriad of companies raking in the bucks by using embedded Linux, the mp3 appliance market is a prime example]

WABI! Wabi will run every bit of win3.1 software out there. It was created by Sun, but now owned and distributed by caldera. Wabi is a commercial product and it ran logicworks on my box, which is a pretty intensive app. I'd be surprised if there were applications that didn't run under wabi.
Press Release
However, it appears caldera discontinued wabi.

Searching around, you might still be able to get a hold of it:
http://www.LinuxMall.com/product/00094.html
http://eunuchs.org/linux/wabi/wabi_content.html

Joseph Elwell.

WABI! Wabi will run every bit of win3.1 software out there. It was created by Sun, but now owned and distributed by caldera. Wabi is a commercial product and it ran logicworks on my box, which is a pretty intensive app. I'd be surprised if there were applications that didn't run under wabi.
Press Release
However, it appears caldera discontinued wabi.

Searching around, you might still be able to get a hold of it:
http://www.LinuxMall.com/product/00094.html
http://eunuchs.org/linux/wabi/wabi_content.html

Joseph Elwell.

Well, how does TurboLinux differ from the situation above? Well...

• TurboLinux figured out from the *beginning* that it was to their advantage to release their module under GPL. Caldera's distribution went through several revisions before they decided to make the source code available.
• The size modification to the kernel is smaller! NKFS was 2940 lines of code, IP_CS is 2781 lines of code
• IP_CS is better broken up into approx 60 functions whereas NKFS is only broken into approx 50 functions.
• The header files for NKFS has only two lines of comment explaining the purpose of the data structures. The IP_CS header file has comments next to every variable and function defined.
• The NDS browser uses RSA code which is under patent and US export control which means that Caldera probably will never release the entire source code (if any) of the program which uses the NKFS module. TurboLinux has indicated that as newer versions of the cluster server daemon comes out that they will release the source code to the older versions.
• NKFS has never been a part of the offical kernel source distribution and Caldera has never indicated that they will try to submit it for being included. IP_CS is also presently not part of the offical kernel source distribution but TurboLinux appears to be interested in submitting it for being included in future major versions of the kernel.
• The November 1999 Linux Journal lists Caldera's website as having had approx 10,000 visits whereas TurboLinux was listed as having less than 2,000. It seems clear that Caldera has five times the influce in pushing a prioritary fork.

So why are we getting so upset over the fact that George Weiss of Gartner Group Inc. has "fork fears"?! Isn't this the same G. Weiss that in January had fears about the "chaotic nature of the [Linux] market." He goes on to state "... best practices would entail putting in place practices to discourage, if not ban, code hacking when using Linux." Does this guy really understand Linux? The fact is that being able to code hack linux is one of it's biggest advantages. Another advantage is the growing number of non-standard modules. For example: you get better performce with INN v2 if you have rawfs, your not going to get far on the network with a Madge token ring card unless you have loaded the non-standard Madge kernel module driver and if you want to really fork from standard kernel method just put a distribution together based around the results of the GGI Project or RTLinux. Non-standard kernel patches and modules have been around for a long time and IP_CS is no different. History has shown that the main Linux kernel can survive this "problem." So, hand a spoon to Mr Weiss' "fork fears" and enjoy what TurboLinux is providing under GPL.

A question about the CD ISO image... CD image

I would think that it would be sensible to have the CD-image updated to include the latest KDE (which missed the CD) and other software that just missed the boat. This shouldn't warrant a major update of the software obviously, as they provide the software on their ftp site for you to download and upgrade the 2.3 installation anyway!

Just thought this would make things simpler overall. Does COL come with the latest gtk+ etc? I am glad to read that it doesn't come with the Gnome Desktop, although when Gnome becomes more stable I would hope that COL would start to include it in the distribution.

Just thinking of replacing a RH5.2 install that has broken badly.... hangs on bootup. I want something clean and new anyway.

Anyway, I must say that the FreeBSD install was one of the easiest I have ever used. Put CD in drive, boot, select a couple of parameters (this bit is the only bit that should be improved, the devices within the computer should be autodetected) and then install! No graphical install required or needed, but it could neaten up the overall system. Installing additional software is as easy as going to the relevant ports directory and make install, and with clever ftp download from multiple sites this works like a dream (except for lesstif which fails at the apply patch step, grrr, want to run mpeg2play).

I know that caldera does use rpm but I am not sure if the file system structure is exaclty the same. I usually install from tarballs so I don't really care but if you look at their site under knowledge down load and updates you will find out that their programs you suggest to update your system with you use rpm as your package manager. My primary system is debian so don't take my word for it check it out
http://support.calderasystems.com/caldera?solution &11-981201-0010&130-9 12553093&14-0&15-10&25-&3-&30-

Gee, that doesn't sound anything like OpenLinux, now does it? I don't think Caldera will be very happy with that name.

My theory is that these people just want to get the LINX ticker symbol for whatever that's worth.

Anyway, I will get a copy of that OL 2.3. Too bad it'll cost me more than 50 bucks here in Finland :o(

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There is no need for kludgey ``emulation layers'', because Linux software is supported by its vendors natively on the the raw hardware. This native software support devoid of kludges ensures that the Linux customer has the most stable and bugfree system possible. Linux is the Enterprise OS thanks to its support by the biggest and most respected names in enterprise computing. When it's time to make money, it's time to check out Linux. Linux.

Caldera's OpenLinux 2.2 has both glibc 2.1 and libc5 installed. You might want to check their distribution to see how they do it.

Also, the documentation contains several other typos... have they actual proofread this stuff? Besides the petty mistakes I am pointing out here, this looks like it could be a really nice distribution!

Not having an intention to honor written offers is an industery standard. Caldera even does it! If the Linux community was really interested in seeing written offers being honored then they would be outraged at the claim that OpenLinux 1.2 provides Netscape Communicator under GPL (in the product description under Internet Clients and Servers). Does Caldera actually have ANY intention of honoring this product description?? Heck, they won't even release their own WebSpyder under GPL!

Oh, and for those your that have payed out $199 for quarterly maintenance hoping Caldera would follow "somewhat" closely their tentative quarterly CD update, Caldera REALLY REALLY has NOT forget about you (despite that they have STILL forgetten to update the maintenance page to list OpenLinux *1.3* as the current release -- hmmm... they are going to keep my Linux installation up to date but they can't even update their web page??). The Jan 1st release REALLY well be coming out towards the end of Feburary just like all you people short $200 expected... right? If you want it sooner, you can fight their FTP site's message:

*** Sorry, the maximum number of users has been reached.

just like everyone else who did NOT get taken for a $200 "maintainence update" ride. If you do get in that you can feel free to download the 73Megs of patches that would have appeared on a January updates CD. Oh, but there has been another 9Megs since January 1st and some KDE *PRE-RELEASE* updates. Since Caldera delayed the Jan 1st maintaince release, you should be able to get those updates too! Now aren't you glad they haven't gotten you those 73 Megs of patches on time?

If even Caldera can lie in product descriptions and fudge maintaince update releases (oh, I already have my MS TechNet CDs, right on schedule) then why can't MicroSoft? Caldera has stated that they want to market Linux as an "Enterprise" OS and have proven along the way that in doing so they can treat the customer just as rotten as MS. So with a Toshiba your stuck with a useless OS, well, I know where you can get a useless maintaince update on a Linux distribution to go with it. Dual-boot the results of two "enterprise" companies for twice the fun!

Not having an intention to honor written offers is an industery standard. Caldera even does it! If the Linux community was really interested in seeing written offers being honored then they would be outraged at the claim that OpenLinux 1.2 provides Netscape Communicator under GPL (in the product description under Internet Clients and Servers). Does Caldera actually have ANY intention of honoring this product description?? Heck, they won't even release their own WebSpyder under GPL!

Oh, and for those your that have payed out $199 for quarterly maintenance hoping Caldera would follow "somewhat" closely their tentative quarterly CD update, Caldera REALLY REALLY has NOT forget about you (despite that they have STILL forgetten to update the maintenance page to list OpenLinux *1.3* as the current release -- hmmm... they are going to keep my Linux installation up to date but they can't even update their web page??). The Jan 1st release REALLY well be coming out towards the end of Feburary just like all you people short $200 expected... right? If you want it sooner, you can fight their FTP site's message:

*** Sorry, the maximum number of users has been reached.

just like everyone else who did NOT get taken for a $200 "maintainence update" ride. If you do get in that you can feel free to download the 73Megs of patches that would have appeared on a January updates CD. Oh, but there has been another 9Megs since January 1st and some KDE *PRE-RELEASE* updates. Since Caldera delayed the Jan 1st maintaince release, you should be able to get those updates too! Now aren't you glad they haven't gotten you those 73 Megs of patches on time?

If even Caldera can lie in product descriptions and fudge maintaince update releases (oh, I already have my MS TechNet CDs, right on schedule) then why can't MicroSoft? Caldera has stated that they want to market Linux as an "Enterprise" OS and have proven along the way that in doing so they can treat the customer just as rotten as MS. So with a Toshiba your stuck with a useless OS, well, I know where you can get a useless maintaince update on a Linux distribution to go with it. Dual-boot the results of two "enterprise" companies for twice the fun!