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A more helpful bit of math for them to do for us would be to calculate the change in calories. Not all, and perhaps not even most of the calories in milk chocolate come from sugar. If you believe this, slightly more than half come from fat.

"Then there are issues with serving sizes"

Someone doesn't understand calories.

More like (almost) everybody. There's an illusion surrounding food in the United States. Most of the public has no idea just how much they are consuming at any given time. For example: a "small" coke is 24 oz and near 400 calories. A double-western cheeseburger from Carl's Jr (Hardee's) is over 900 calories (and half your daily requirement of fat). Not to mention the bladder busting drink and large fries.

On the other hand, fried battered chicken is only 38% protein on a caloric basis. Same as broiled hamburger patties, and far better than bacon.

Yes, it's possible to select meats and prepare them in a manner that gets very high protein figures. But the same applies to vegans, who can choose, for example, gluten, saitan, textured vegetable protein and products made from it, etc. No, your average meat dish doesn't have those kind of protein figures - just like your average vegan dish doesn't. And nor does the human body need such extreme protein levels. Your average meat dish will probably have in the ballpark of 30-35% protein. So will your average greens dish or your average legumes dish.

On the other hand, fried battered chicken is only 38% protein on a caloric basis. Same as broiled hamburger patties, and far better than bacon.

Yes, it's possible to select meats and prepare them in a manner that gets very high protein figures. But the same applies to vegans, who can choose, for example, gluten, saitan, textured vegetable protein and products made from it, etc. No, your average meat dish doesn't have those kind of protein figures - just like your average vegan dish doesn't. And nor does the human body need such extreme protein levels. Your average meat dish will probably have in the ballpark of 30-35% protein. So will your average greens dish or your average legumes dish.

On the other hand, fried battered chicken is only 38% protein on a caloric basis. Same as broiled hamburger patties, and far better than bacon.

Yes, it's possible to select meats and prepare them in a manner that gets very high protein figures. But the same applies to vegans, who can choose, for example, gluten, saitan, textured vegetable protein and products made from it, etc. No, your average meat dish doesn't have those kind of protein figures - just like your average vegan dish doesn't. And nor does the human body need such extreme protein levels. Your average meat dish will probably have in the ballpark of 30-35% protein. So will your average greens dish or your average legumes dish.

Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "based". Heck, some vegatable-based foods (such as gluten, often used in Chinese cooking) are nearly pure protein. Most meat substitutes are based around things like TVP, which is overwhelmingly protein. Seitan is 80% protein.

Even common things like tofu have far more calories from protein than carbs (your standard). But really, that's the wrong standard: it's calories from protein vs. calories from "everything else". The majority common vegan ingredients are in the 20-50% protein range - your green leafies (lettuce? 36%; broccoli? 33%; spinach? 50%; collards? 38%; etc), legumes (peas? 33%; lentils? 31%; beans? ~25%; etc), some grains, etc, plus tons of secondary products) are in the 20-50% protein-calories range. While lean fish and skinless chicken cooked in non-fattening manners around 80%-ish percent of their calories from protein, most meats are much lower. A hamburger patty, 80% lean, 20% fat, broiled? 38% from protein. Batter-dipped fried chicken? also 38% protein. Bacon, fried? 27%. Etc. These are just the first "common" things that come to mind, do your own searches. Common meat dishes have the same sort of percent of their calories from protein as common vegetarian dishes.

Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "based". Heck, some vegatable-based foods (such as gluten, often used in Chinese cooking) are nearly pure protein. Most meat substitutes are based around things like TVP, which is overwhelmingly protein. Seitan is 80% protein.

Even common things like tofu have far more calories from protein than carbs (your standard). But really, that's the wrong standard: it's calories from protein vs. calories from "everything else". The majority common vegan ingredients are in the 20-50% protein range - your green leafies (lettuce? 36%; broccoli? 33%; spinach? 50%; collards? 38%; etc), legumes (peas? 33%; lentils? 31%; beans? ~25%; etc), some grains, etc, plus tons of secondary products) are in the 20-50% protein-calories range. While lean fish and skinless chicken cooked in non-fattening manners around 80%-ish percent of their calories from protein, most meats are much lower. A hamburger patty, 80% lean, 20% fat, broiled? 38% from protein. Batter-dipped fried chicken? also 38% protein. Bacon, fried? 27%. Etc. These are just the first "common" things that come to mind, do your own searches. Common meat dishes have the same sort of percent of their calories from protein as common vegetarian dishes.

Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "based". Heck, some vegatable-based foods (such as gluten, often used in Chinese cooking) are nearly pure protein. Most meat substitutes are based around things like TVP, which is overwhelmingly protein. Seitan is 80% protein.

Even common things like tofu have far more calories from protein than carbs (your standard). But really, that's the wrong standard: it's calories from protein vs. calories from "everything else". The majority common vegan ingredients are in the 20-50% protein range - your green leafies (lettuce? 36%; broccoli? 33%; spinach? 50%; collards? 38%; etc), legumes (peas? 33%; lentils? 31%; beans? ~25%; etc), some grains, etc, plus tons of secondary products) are in the 20-50% protein-calories range. While lean fish and skinless chicken cooked in non-fattening manners around 80%-ish percent of their calories from protein, most meats are much lower. A hamburger patty, 80% lean, 20% fat, broiled? 38% from protein. Batter-dipped fried chicken? also 38% protein. Bacon, fried? 27%. Etc. These are just the first "common" things that come to mind, do your own searches. Common meat dishes have the same sort of percent of their calories from protein as common vegetarian dishes.

Checking those numbers, I end up at 34 to 51 units of insulin per day. I'm not sure what the definition of "basal" is. Is that the type of insulin that clocks in between fast and slow acting? That many people take in the morning, in addition to fast acting for each meal? I have never been recommended that, or even been told about it. The so-called specialists over here are horribly out-of-date it would seem. =/

Basal insulin is designed to balance against the sugar output of the liver that takes place between meals. Typically, newly diagnosed diabetics are prescribed Lantus or Levemir for this purpose.

As for calculating.. Yes, I just "look at the plate and guess". I know the difference between eating potato, pasta and bread as opposed to eating broccoli, brusselsprouts and meat. I usually hit the mark fairly well but now and then I have a fruit or eat something I'd usually not, and overall the effect is a too high HbA1c.

**I don't recommend changing your doses without a doctors advice**

Have you ever tried calculating the amount of carbohydrate in each meal? The carbohydrate content of most food is listed on the packaging, and when it isn't, sites like http://www.calorieking.com/ are useful. http://www.diabetesdaily.com/forum/articles/4579-counting-carbohydrates-how-why - This is a good article on counting carbohydrate ( http://www.diabetesdaily.com/ is a very useful site. Some stuff is very informative, some is just plain wrong; sadly, you have to work out which is which yourself. Again, I don't recommend changing things without a doctors advice). Once you know how to count the amount of carbohydrate in your food, you should be able to get an idea of how much insulin you need to take to cover a given amount of carbohydrate. The easiest way I found of doing this was to work out the carbs in a meal, guess the dose needed and write down the results. From a few days readings, you should be able to see what sort of insulin:carbohydrate ratios work for you.

On the upside though.. I just had a full battery of bloodworks done and my good cholesterol is higher and my bad is lower than an average healthy person my age. My kidney function is 100% and there is no sign of damage to my retinas.

Congratulations, it is always good to hear that someone is getting by without complications.

Still though, I consider having T2 a luxury problem. They do have insulin production, meaning their bodies do actually take care of the fine-tuning and most of them can get by fine by either working out and eating healthy, taking pills to lower resistance or worst-case, taking basal insulin.

Have you ever spoken to a T2 diabetic who is seriously trying to control their diabetes? Most don't have the ability to give a dose of insulin if their blood sugar is high to bring it back down, and their anti-resistance medication can only do so much. To get non-diabetic numbers, a lot of T2 diabetics seem to need to eat less than 100g carbs a day and in some cases, less than 50g carbs a day. T2s don't have to worry about DKA, T1s have more freedom with their diet; Both a pretty crap things to have to put up with, and I wouldn't choose one over the other.

Ya, and that's probably why you're a fat fuck too. A single serving of pasta is 56g. A pound is about 454g. Each serving has 42g of carbs. So eating the whole box is 336g of carbs... which is what I eat in an entire day, with half my calories coming from carbs. At that point, it doesn't matter if it's whole wheat pasta or not... your spike your blood glucose, which causes excess insulin to be released... and stores all those carbs as fat. Oh, and that makes you hunger to.

Learn to eat properly.

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Mars Bars are fattening and are prohibited in the People's Republic of California.

I know you were just going for a +5 funny but here in the People's Republic of New York our Governor wants to impose an "obesity tax" on soft drinks. No, I'm not making this up either.

Why just target soft drinks? Orange juice actually has more calories per fl oz than coca-cola does. Should we tax OJ too? Anything consumed without moderation is bad for you. How do you purpose to use tax policy to teach moderation?

Seems to me like it's just another revenue grab under the guise of being for the public benefit.

Mars Bars are fattening and are prohibited in the People's Republic of California.

I know you were just going for a +5 funny but here in the People's Republic of New York our Governor wants to impose an "obesity tax" on soft drinks. No, I'm not making this up either.

Why just target soft drinks? Orange juice actually has more calories per fl oz than coca-cola does. Should we tax OJ too? Anything consumed without moderation is bad for you. How do you purpose to use tax policy to teach moderation?

Seems to me like it's just another revenue grab under the guise of being for the public benefit.

Actually Sumo wrestlers are extremely fit. They may have quite a bit of fat, but under all that is an enormous amount of muscle. Their day is basically eating and training, so yes, they have more fat than most people, but their bmi is probably better than most the rest of us. They also slim down after retiring quite fast.

That aside, I'm not surprised to read that the Slashdot community is against this becoming a trend in their own country, but maybe the Slashdot community is, as we all guessed, overweight geeks behind a computer screen.

I moved to Japan about two years ago, and the diet here is completely different. There are also fast food options that are not McDonalds, Burger King, and other fatty American fast food companies. Outside every station there is it would be hard not to find a locally small locally owned curry or ramen shop. Even fast food chains', such as Yoshinoya and Matusya who specialize in gyudon (beef bowls), serve low calorie meals fast. According to Callorie King the Yoshinoya regular sized beef bowl only weighs in at 770 callories. The Large bowl, which I find almost impossible to finnish, only has 1090 callories. The large is almost 300 calories less than a BigMac and fries.

The tl;dr version. PUT DOWN YOUR FORK/SPOON/SKEWER/CHOPSTICKS/HUNTINGKNIFE and show some restraint people. I know I'm going to get modded down for this, but fat people generally disgust me. And, it is nearly impossible to reason with one about their caloric intake unless they have had a recent health problem related to it.

*Please not that this comes from someone who is 5'8" and used to weigh 250 lbs and has since slimmed down to 170 lbs after simply realizing they were disgusting.*

Actually Sumo wrestlers are extremely fit. They may have quite a bit of fat, but under all that is an enormous amount of muscle. Their day is basically eating and training, so yes, they have more fat than most people, but their bmi is probably better than most the rest of us. They also slim down after retiring quite fast.

That aside, I'm not surprised to read that the Slashdot community is against this becoming a trend in their own country, but maybe the Slashdot community is, as we all guessed, overweight geeks behind a computer screen.

I moved to Japan about two years ago, and the diet here is completely different. There are also fast food options that are not McDonalds, Burger King, and other fatty American fast food companies. Outside every station there is it would be hard not to find a locally small locally owned curry or ramen shop. Even fast food chains', such as Yoshinoya and Matusya who specialize in gyudon (beef bowls), serve low calorie meals fast. According to Callorie King the Yoshinoya regular sized beef bowl only weighs in at 770 callories. The Large bowl, which I find almost impossible to finnish, only has 1090 callories. The large is almost 300 calories less than a BigMac and fries.

The tl;dr version. PUT DOWN YOUR FORK/SPOON/SKEWER/CHOPSTICKS/HUNTINGKNIFE and show some restraint people. I know I'm going to get modded down for this, but fat people generally disgust me. And, it is nearly impossible to reason with one about their caloric intake unless they have had a recent health problem related to it.

*Please not that this comes from someone who is 5'8" and used to weigh 250 lbs and has since slimmed down to 170 lbs after simply realizing they were disgusting.*

Ok, but CAN you bring the sugar bags onto the flight? It can be used as a rocket fuel and here; and as an explosive Sugar has a LOT of energy!

Put treadmills in the doorways of all the McDonalds. The treadmill won't shut off until you've burned up all the calories you just ate.

Ooh, let's do the math. This should be simultaneously fun and frightening.

According to Calorie King, if you plug in my stats (height, weight, age, etc.), and you do a 3 mile/hour rate on the treadmill, which is just in the middle range of speeds, you burn 277 Cal per hour on the treadmill.

Now, according to McDonald's, a Big Mac is 540 Cal, a large order of fries (fat people always upgrade the combo to large fry and drink) is 570 Cal, and a large (32 fl.oz.) Coke Classic is 310 Cal.

That's 540 + 570 + 310 Cal, which is 1420 Cal.
1420 Cal / 277 Cal/hour is 5.1 hours.

McDonald's is going to need a room full of treadmills so their customers aren't hogging (ha! pun intended) them all.

I concur with all the posters who pointed out this fact.

It's not rocket science. You just need to conjur up your self-discipline.

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Cardio (jumping rope, jogging, bicycling, swimming, masturbating furiously, etc), while it only burns so many calories at a time, WILL increase your "resting metabolism", thus making your body burn more calories throughout the day.

Resistence training (lifting heavy weights.. not sissy 20-rep weight... I'm talking 4-6 max rep range) will pack on solid, lean muscle. That also increases your resting metabolism and makes sugars (carbohydrates) more likely to go to muscle than be stored as fat.

I've got a long way to go, myself. But I am making progress. Noticable progress. I've been following This Program for a few months.

HTH