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Nestle Discovers 'Breakthrough' Method To Cut Sugar In Chocolate By 40% Without Affecting Taste (theguardian.com)

Nestle and its scientists have discovered how to "structure sugar differently" to reduce the amount of sugar in some of its products by 40%. What's more is that it can be done reportedly without compromising the taste. The Guardian reports: The new process is said to make sugar dissolve faster so that even when less is used, the tongue perceives an identical level of sweetness. It plans to patent the process, discovered by its scientists, which it says will enable it to significantly decrease the total sugar in its confectionery products. A four-finger milk chocolate Kit Kat currently contains 23.8g of sugar, a plain (milk chocolate) Yorkie contains 26.9g and a medium peppermint Aero has 24.9g of sugar. If the amount of sugar in each of these products was cut by 40% the new amounts would be 14.3g, 16.1g and 14.9g respectively.

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  1. JUST GREAT! by Dutchmaan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I'll have to eat nearly twice as much to maintain my obesity.

    1. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chocolate with sugars/sweeteners tastes like shit

    2. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      How do you know what shit tastes like?

    3. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sock

    4. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit trying to derail threads, God.

      (Yes, we know it's you)

    5. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit tastes just like it smells, your subconscious lizard brain knows it.

    6. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously like Chocolate with sugars/sweeteners.

    7. Re:JUST GREAT! by Shoten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now I'll have to eat nearly twice as much to maintain my obesity.

      You laugh...but that's exactly what some people will do if this goes to market.

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    8. Re:JUST GREAT! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      That's all right Nestle have also figured out many ways to cut the chocolate out of chocolate, hmm tasty, any one ready for that ever so tasty chocolate flavoured soy bar, notice Nestle never ever detail have much chocolate is actually in their chocolate.

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    9. Re:JUST GREAT! by lxs · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. Not all calories in chocolate are from sugar.
      The fat content hasn't changed.

    10. Re:JUST GREAT! by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Now I'll have to eat nearly twice as much to maintain my obesity.

      You laugh...but that's exactly what some people will do if this goes to market.

      Sometimes chocolate and other candy isn't eaten for the taste, or the texture, or anything else but what it does to the blood chemistry. Nerfing out the sugar content will probably cause some people to binge harder, until they get the desired level of sugar rush... but in the new variety, they'll be getting twice as much cocoa butter and cacao, which is healthy in some ways, but still very calorie dense.

    11. Re: JUST GREAT! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Shit tastes just like it smells, your subconscious lizard brain knows it."

      Exactly! Smelling shit means, volatile shit-molecules entered your body through the nose, remember that next time on the toilet, when somebody else dropped a bomb, you have their shit inside you.

    12. Re:JUST GREAT! by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but they do. I believe that labelling law requires them to do so (at least, in the EU - this is presumably one of the laws that TTIP etc seek to muzzle by bringing standards down to the lowest common denominator, ie, the USA).

      Yorkie has 25% cocoa solids by mass - which surprised me, it's actually more than our UK favourite, Cadbury's Dairy Milk, which has 22%.

      No PGPR, or butyric acid, aka "What vomit smells of", the stuff that makes Hershey's so "special" either.

      I won't buy Nestlé on principle though. They deserve their reputation as "Swiss Bastards". Sadly, Cadbury's is in the process of being ruined by another giant "food" corporation, Mondelez (used to be Kraft), chocolate in the UK has kinda lost it's taste for me.

    13. Re: JUST GREAT! by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's fine. Take a deep breath. Having very small doses of foreign matter in your body strengthens your auto immune system.
      It's how vaccines work.

    14. Re: JUST GREAT! by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 4, Funny

      And homeopathy? :-)

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    15. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that's true, judging from coffee which usually smells fantastic but has a bitter taste.

    16. Re:JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Already dome. Some Nestle products have shrunk 40% by weight - but not the price.
      Mars also did the same trick to Freddo Frogs.

    17. Re:JUST GREAT! by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      There go the shares in the dental industry

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    18. Re:JUST GREAT! by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Just add a spoonful of sugar to each chocolate that you have, and you'll be fine

    19. Re:JUST GREAT! by unixisc · · Score: 1

      In unrelated news, Michelle Obama will join the board of Nestle in January 21

    20. Re: JUST GREAT! by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's true, judging from coffee which usually smells fantastic but has a bitter taste.

      That's just because it's concentrated. Vanilla, salt, coffee, etc... are pleasant in their weaker forms. I can't think of anything though that is opposite where the weaker form is unpleasant and the stronger form pleasant. There might be but not that I can think of.

    21. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coffee is only bitter if it's heated too high during the brewing process. Try a different method of brewing, like a french press. My favorites are real Kona (expensive) and Costco Jose's Vanilla Bean coffee.

    22. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And homeopathy? :-)

      and homopathy

    23. Re:JUST GREAT! by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but they do. I believe that labelling law requires them to do so (at least, in the EU - this is presumably one of the laws that TTIP etc seek to muzzle by bringing standards down to the lowest common denominator, ie, the USA).

      Yorkie has 25% cocoa solids by mass - which surprised me, it's actually more than our UK favourite, Cadbury's Dairy Milk, which has 22%.

      No PGPR, or butyric acid, aka "What vomit smells of", the stuff that makes Hershey's so "special" either.

      I won't buy Nestlé on principle though. They deserve their reputation as "Swiss Bastards". Sadly, Cadbury's is in the process of being ruined by another giant "food" corporation, Mondelez (used to be Kraft), chocolate in the UK has kinda lost it's taste for me.

      Yorkie? Must be something they don't sell in the USA. Here, a yorkie is a dog.

    24. Re:JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the diabeties from aspertame the other sugar magic bullet will kill you either way.

    25. Re: JUST GREAT! by mycroft16 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Foreign matter, not imaginary matter. ;)

    26. Re: JUST GREAT! by shaitand · · Score: 1

      tea comes to mind

    27. Re: JUST GREAT! by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      How do you know what shit tastes like?

      Don't answer that! The rest of us don't want to know.

    28. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Organic, bacterial, and 'natural' foreign matter yes. Pollution no. Straight up 'chemicals' are not eaten by white blood cells.

    29. Re:JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Now I'll have to eat nearly twice as much to maintain my obesity.

      Samples of you can be collected at various consumption levels, then taste-tested by teams of zombies. Only then can your future be properly optimized.

      Some people are critical of America, but picking an administration that zombies would refuse to eat proves that innovation is still alive.

    30. Re:JUST GREAT! by slashrio · · Score: 1

      I think you can get this effect by replacing the sucrose part in sugar with fructose. That would make ik double fructose, instead of fructose--sucrose.
      And don't worry about your obesity, fructose contributes a lot to that, so that problem will increase also.
      They are so clever in sugarland...

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    31. Re:JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not yet. Given an extreme secretive press release, I am very skeptic and don't even believe this is possible. Why are even science oriented news sites reporting such an article if the publisher is not ready to provide even a minimal details?

    32. Re: JUST GREAT! by maciarc · · Score: 1
    33. Re:JUST GREAT! by syntotic · · Score: 1

      WOW, now they will add back the oils and fats they are taking away from chocolate so it satisfies again? I mean, to compensate...

    34. Re:JUST GREAT! by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      ... hmm tasty, any one ready for that ever so tasty chocolate flavoured soylent green bar, ...

      Fixed that for you... 8-}

    35. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, wut?

    36. Re:JUST GREAT! by hucker75 · · Score: 0

      I eat chocolate for energy, not taste. So I too will have to eat more.

    37. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the USA too, but maybe he is talking about a York Peppermint Pattie? It is just a guess though.

    38. Re:JUST GREAT! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Correct. In America, I believe a Yorkie is called a "homoerotic freight truck driver impersonator."

      no, it doesn't now, and never really did, have more than a passing acquaintance with chocolate.

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    39. Re:JUST GREAT! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      chocolate in the UK has kinda lost it's taste for me.

      UK chocolate lost it's taste for me as soon as I tasted chocolate from outside the UK. It really is "chocolate-flavoured mixed vegetable and milk fat solids," as the Daily Mail froths at the organ.

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    40. Re:JUST GREAT! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I read it and just assumed it was a York Pepperment Patty in the UK. Now that I Googled it, it looks more like finer chocolates like Toblerone in the US:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  2. Thanks for doing the math by tomhath · · Score: 3, Funny

    People on slashdot would have a hard time multiplying a number by 0.4

    1. Re:Thanks for doing the math by cdsparrow · · Score: 1

      Multiply by .6 instead maybe?

      (Sorry to be pedantic, I blame the internet for this proclivity)

    2. Re:Thanks for doing the math by hey! · · Score: 5, Funny

      People on slashdot would have a hard time multiplying a number by 0.4

      Indeed they would not. However they do sometimes stumble about when to multiply a number by 0.4.

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    3. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      by 0.6 they are reducing by forty percent not to forty percent.

    4. Re:Thanks for doing the math by freeze128 · · Score: 5, Informative

      If the amount of sugar was *CUT* by 40%, slashdot readers would have to multiply by .6.

      See, math isn't always so simple, is it?

    5. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have an even harder time with knowing that in order to account for a 40% reduction, you actually have to multiply by 0.6.

    6. Re:Thanks for doing the math by tomhath · · Score: 1

      I suppose that depends on whether you want to know how much sugar is taken out or how much is left. But yea, I should've said 0.6 to be consistent with the summary,

    7. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Gussington · · Score: 1

      People on slashdot would have a hard time multiplying a number by 0.4

      Indeed they would not. However they do sometimes stumble about when to multiply a number by 0.4.

      Well technically you can multiply by 0.4 then subtract from the original number, this is how I do these sorts of sums in my head (multiply everything in factors of 10, 0.1, 0.01 etc then add/subtract as necessary)

    8. Re:Thanks for doing the math by devnullkac · · Score: 1

      A more helpful bit of math for them to do for us would be to calculate the change in calories. Not all, and perhaps not even most of the calories in milk chocolate come from sugar. If you believe this, slightly more than half come from fat.

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    9. Re:Thanks for doing the math by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I thought calories didn't matter, only carbs matter. Or was there another study this week. The answer changes all the time.

    10. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Math is always simple...
      Sometimes so is the person.

    11. Re:Thanks for doing the math by TheConway · · Score: 1

      or just multiply by 0.6

    12. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there an echo in here?

    13. Re: Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there an echo in here?

    14. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you start with 23.8g and end up with 14.3g, how much was it "cut by"?

    15. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As somebody else pointed, it should be 0.6, not 0.4. People on slashdot can easily approximate this by binary shifting right four times and multiplying with 10.

    16. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I thought calories didn't matter, only carbs matter. Or was there another study this week. The answer changes all the time.

      Depends on the business who's ox is being gored, or the person who's ideology is being promoted or dismissed.

      Once upon a time, salted lard was the standard spread for bread and toast. Then it was attacked by both dairy and vegetable oil interests, to the point where just saying "lard" will cause an involuntary grimace for some folks.Turns out its no worse than butter, and definitely better than hydrogenated vegetable oil.

      Eggs were hit hard as well. Vegans want us to adopt a prey animal artificial diet.

      I've determined that the best bet is acknowledging that we are omnivores, and we should eat what we like as long as we get a good mix of everything, and not too much of anything. With too much defined as approaching exclusivity.

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    17. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be surprised. I've seen a number of articles that throw up arbitrary percentages and then list numbers that have no relation to those percentages.

    18. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People on slashdot would have a hard time multiplying a number by 0.4

      Judging by how much they cry about the metric system, I can't say I disagree.

    19. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If the amount of sugar was *CUT* by 40%, slashdot readers would have to multiply by .6.

      >See, math isn't always so simple, is it?

      Since the removal of sugar would reduce product weight, more product would have to be added to keep weight constant. That added product, containing some sugar, would partly offset the removed sugar, making the effective cut a bit less than 40 percent.

      If the finished fixed-weight product sees a 40 percent reduction, the mixture going into it needs to have a still larger reduction.

    20. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, how is that going over there?
      everyone makes fun of the U.S., but we aren't the only ones.

      UK, road signs

    21. Re:Thanks for doing the math by Gussington · · Score: 1

      or just multiply by 0.6

      You have to execute a calculation to work out that 40% is the same is the number times 0.6. ie 40% is 0.4, 1 - 0.4 = 0.6. So it's same same.

  3. plans to patent the process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of course they plan to patent.

    at least with others looking at royalties to pay to make this fake low-sugar crap, "real" chocolate will still be available for baking, confections and other goodies where quality and composition of ingredients can matter a hell of a lot, and can make the difference between something turning out or being something the homeless won't even dig out of the trash.

    1. Re:plans to patent the process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA, or even just TFS. This isn't an artificial sweetener, it's a technique for making chocolate with less sugar.

    2. Re: plans to patent the process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they should. I would not buy industrial chemistry from Nestle sold as food even if they were the only thing that would not kill me immediately around.

  4. That's 0.6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Reduced by 40%.

  5. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Because that wouldn't cut Nestle's sugar costs by 40%?

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  6. What?!?! by freeze128 · · Score: 5, Funny

    a plain (milk chocolate) Yorkie contains 26.9g

    Oh my God! They're eating DOGS!

    1. Re:What?!?! by Rei · · Score: 2

      Why can't they just eat horse like normal people?

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    2. Re:What?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and first they're covering them with chocolate!

      'And now we come to item number seven, Crunchy Frog: am I correct in thinkin' there's a real frog in 'ere?"

    3. Re:What?!?! by dbIII · · Score: 1

      In Australia we used to eat chocolate Yowies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yowie_(chocolate))
      Japanese visitors looked at us with odd expressions when we mentioned them.

    4. Re:What?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No mod points, but thank you for the chuckle!

    5. Re:What?!?! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Why can't they just eat horse like normal people?

      We do, but only when hidden in cheap Tesco ready meals.

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    6. Re:What?!?! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      A local pub used to make really great lasagna. Then the horse meat scandal broke and they brought us a leaflet explaining that they had checked and guaranteed that from now on their beef really was beef and not equine. From that day on the lasagna sucked.

      If they offered horse meat lasagna on the menu I'd still be going there.

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    7. Re:What?!?! by Rei · · Score: 1

      Come to Iceland. People here are more likely to complain if they ordered horse and it turned out to be something else ;)

      (nice sig!)

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    8. Re:What?!?! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Serious question. What is immigration like in Iceland? I am an EU citizen (for another couple of years at least...) but my fiancee is Chinese. The UK situation is looking hopeless.

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    9. Re:What?!?! by Rei · · Score: 1

      If you're in the EU / Schengen it's easy; I've talked to a number of people who just came here, got an apartment and started working. But I don't know the details (particularly for your fiancee, whether you could get a permit for her through you working here). You should ask Útlendingastofnun (the immigration office) - the website is utl.is. I know if she was coming alone that she'd have to get full atvinnuleyfi and dvalarleyfi (work and residence permits), which is a long process with a lot of conditions - but there's also a permitting process for family members of people who live here.

      Yeah, we (like the rest of the world) have been watching what's going on over there; you have our sympathy. :( Don't get me wrong, our political situation is far from perfect (mainly corruption - also our last election results were inconclusive so they're struggling to find a viable coalition). But (so far at least!) nobody's been firebombing our economy out of anger or turning us into a surveillance state or anything like that. And radical/racist nationalists only ever get a trivial fraction of the vote.

      You know what, here... if you're actually seriously considering a move here, you'll probably have a ton of other questions, so if you do, just drop me a line - meQme0Q3@eaQku.neQt (remove Qs to despammify). I'd be glad to help :)

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    10. Re:What?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Obama fans were eating crow these days?

    11. Re:What?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We used to have a dog a while back who would only eat Alpo canned horse meat dog food. You feed him something else he would barely touch it and end up throwing half away. Maybe there is something to it.

    12. Re:What?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a plain (milk chocolate) Yorkie contains 26.9g

      Oh my God! They're eating DOGS!

      What do you expect, they make dog food... (Nestle Purina)

    13. Re:What?!?! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Mail sent, thanks Rei.

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    14. Re:What?!?! by Chaset · · Score: 1

      Hey! It's a delicacy!

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  7. or how about less sugar anyways? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly I prefer european chocolate as it's not as overwhelmingly sweet. and anyone that actually likes chocolate likes a good dark chocolate that is already not as sweet.

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    1. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      I used to get into my mother's semi-sweet baking chocolate when I was a child. The ass whipping was worth it. I too like a good dark chocolate.

    2. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Rei · · Score: 2

      I live in Europe and where I am milk chocolate is more popular. Although the type is more like Dove milk chocolate than Hershey's.

      I personally do prefer dark, though.

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    3. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by AJWM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hershey's is something almost but not completely unlike chocolate.

      (Hey, I grew up on Nestles and Cadbury, both in England and Canada.)

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    4. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

      Hershey's is a bar of sugar with some chocolate liquor and milk thrown in.

    5. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Honestly I prefer european chocolate as it's not as overwhelmingly sweet. and anyone that actually likes chocolate likes a good dark chocolate that is already not as sweet.

      Most popular chocolate brands wouldn't even qualify as chocolate. It is really is more like chocolate flavoured sugar.

      This is the best stuff I've found: http://www.williescacao.com/pu...
      It has 40% less sugar than Hersheys out of the box, and tastes a million miles better.
      Having been brought up on Cadbury, I can no longer eat it. Once you get used to real chocolate, the supermarket stuff is just shit.

    6. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      There's got to be more to it than that. Something else has to be in there to provide the peculiar sour flavor notes and the mealy texture.

    7. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Healthier, too, without the extra sugar. Heck, if you look at the nutritional data on cocoa powder (aka, with neither the sugar *nor* the fat) it's actually healthy. In addition to being packed with tons of minerals and flavanoids, 100 grams of cocoa powder, at 228 kcal, has 19,6g protein (40% of the minimum daily recommended value) and 33,2g fiber (133% DV), and packed with minerals (75-200% DV of Fe, Mg, K, Cu and Mn) and flavanoids. The challenge is making chocolate and chocolate flavored goods that aren't overloaded in fat and sugar, but still taste good.

      As a chocoholic, I strongly welcome any advances on this front ;) Make a "flash cooled" (creamy texture with less cocoa butter) dark chocolate with this new "fast dissolving sugar" approach, and you've got my business.

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    8. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      There's got to be more to it than that. Something else has to be in there to provide the peculiar sour flavor notes and the mealy texture.

      That's the one thing that I noticed when I moved to the US from Canada, the American chocolate is basically candy, it isn't chocolate. When I go home for Christmas I bring chocolates back with me. If I don't my co-workers become an extremely unhappy bunch...

    9. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Hershey's is something almost but not completely unlike chocolate.

      (Hey, I grew up on Nestles and Cadbury, both in England and Canada.)

      Cadbury is heading the same way.

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    10. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sad but true.

    11. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anaerin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed there is. The milk they use for Hershey chocolate is partially lipolyzed, producing butyric acid, which stabilizes the milk from further fermentation.

    12. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nestle is European chocolate.

    13. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by AJWM · · Score: 1

      I think in the US, Hershey licensed some brand names from Cadbury. Look at the fine print on the back of a Cadbury bar. Still tastes better than straight Hershey chocolate, though.

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    14. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Namarrgon · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's also worth noting that butyric acid is the main source of the smell of human vomit.

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    15. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Interesting

      After living overseas for 15+ years, I've found I can no longer eat American chocolate--it's about 3x as sweet as chocolate made anywhere else. It's like trying to drink a cup of coffee with about 6 spoons of sugar in it. Gross.

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    16. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      The mealy texture is caused by improper storage.

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    17. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 1

      Butyric Acid is the sour note you are tasting. Its used in a LOT of North American 'chocolate'.

    18. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by tsa · · Score: 2

      Everything in Europe is better than in th US.

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    19. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by AvderTheTerrible · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself. As someone who absolutely can not stand the bitterness in coffee, 6 spoons of sugar is close to the minimum for it to be palatable to me.

    20. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Trader Joe's Swiss dark chocolate bar FTW. That's the kind of chocolate that's healthy as long as you only eat reasonable amounts.

    21. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by BDeblier · · Score: 2

      Anybody who's a least a bit chocoholic should try Belgian chocolate. We may not be a chauvinistic country, but we all agree that we've got some of the best beers, and definitely the best chocolate. According to Belgian law, US chocolate cannot even be called chocolate. It has be labeled 'cocoa fantasy'. Chocolate can only be made with cocoa butter - no cheaper fatty substitutes allowed. And of course, to mask the shitty flavor of those ersatz fats, more sugar has to be added to US 'chocolate'.

    22. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nestlé is European.

    23. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true! There is more space in the US and some taxes are lower, but otherwise, you are more or less completely right.

    24. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      The US formulation has PGPR in it. They claim not to have changed the recipe in the UK, but given the number of people complaining it's not as good as it used to be that stretches credibility.

      I've found Dairy Milk to be too sweet and greasy and not chocolately enough for years though.

      Sadly Cadbury's owned my go-to choice of "everyday" (not every day) chocolate, Green & Blacks, which means the Despoiler Mondelez own them too. The cracks are already starting to show, with their US arm now releasing bars that are no longer labelled "Organic". I'm not the kind of person who thinks "Organic" bestows magical qualities on food, but it displays a willingness to compromise has been forced into the heart of the company, and who knows what will change next.

    25. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      You might want to get yourself some Black Blood of the Earth, which was developed for just such a reason.

      Or an Aeropress. I find that as long as you don't let it steep more than about 30 seconds, the coffee an Aeropress makes is much less bitter than filter or french press, the taste is almost chocolately in nature.

      Cold-brew produces similar results in terms of flavour as well - but it's powerful ju-ju, I've not titrated the dose right yet. Last time I tried it I had one glass of it cold over ice in the morning but all the little wheels in my brain spun all night while my body slept.

    26. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Informative

      Part of the reason everything is better in Europe is because of the high taxes. Low taxes lead to inequality, which leads to civil unrest, which leads to suffering. It's like the path to the Dark Side, but for civil societies.

      The happiest nation on Earth, Denmark, has

      • Federal income tax up to 15% for higher earners
      • Healthcare tax
      • Land value tax
      • Local income tax too! Around 25%
      • There is a ceiling on income tax though ; you can't pay more than 51.5% when all income taxes are added up
      • There's a 25% sales tax on nearly everything though
      • They even have a tax on stupidity being a member of the state church.

      Taxes are good for the health of a civil society Why do you think the happiness levels in the USA correlate so strongly with the drop in tax levels promoted by the richest?

    27. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Gah, "stupidity" was meant to be struck out. Guess that's another thing Slashdot needs to drag itself kicking and screaming into the year 1999 for (the del tag was added to the standards in 1999).

    28. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Or it could just be insufficient conching, as a cost-saving measure. Conching is what turns the sugar from big granular crystals into crystals so small that you don't feel their texture.

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    29. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      The Lindt dark chocolate blocks are my go-to when I want some nicer chocolate although I do still eat the Cadbury's bars a fair bit (even the Cadbury's stuff is a million times better than anything from Nestle)

    30. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by jandersen · · Score: 1

      ...anyone that actually likes chocolate likes a good dark chocolate that is already not as sweet

      Funny enough - I like chocolate to be either quite light milk chocolate or very dark, 90%. I find the 60% - 85% ones too sweet in combination with the bitterness.

    31. Re: or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nestle is not American. They are European.

    32. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dark chocolate is bitter and has a horrible aftertaste.

    33. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      My parents gave me an aeropress for Christmas last year. It does as you say. I don't really use it much though, because I prefer my coffee steeped in a french press on my desk for most of a workday. THAT is "black blood of the earth."

    34. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      I just can't understand why people insist on ruining perfectly good sugar by putting coffee in it.

    35. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Federal income tax up to 15% for higher earners

      Denmark is not a federation. It has no federal income tax.

    36. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Major+Blud · · Score: 2

      Part of the reason everything is better in Europe is because of the high taxes. Low taxes lead to inequality, which leads to civil unrest, which leads to suffering. It's like the path to the Dark Side, but for civil societies.

      The happiest nation on Earth, Denmark, has

      • Federal income tax up to 15% for higher earners
      • Healthcare tax
      • Land value tax
      • Local income tax too! Around 25%
      • There is a ceiling on income tax though ; you can't pay more than 51.5% when all income taxes are added up
      • There's a 25% sales tax on nearly everything though
      • They even have a tax on stupidity being a member of the state church.

      Taxes are good for the health of a civil society Why do you think the happiness levels in the USA correlate so strongly with the drop in tax levels promoted by the richest?

      You're really oversimplifying things. One could also make the argument that Denmark is happy because most everybody there is white:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      They even have a tax on stupidity being a member of the state church.

      How does that work? Is one religion taxed more than others? Good luck trying to get that to work in the U.S.

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    37. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the good ones.

    38. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most American chocolate uses sugar to cover up lower quality cacao extracts. Milk chocolate was invented to make a chocolate like substance where the valuable cocoa butter could be replaced with milkfat.

      That being said, there are some excellent high quality chocolate producers here, you just don't find there products at every local convenience store. Scharffen Berger comes to mind.

    39. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      start drinking a decent coffee. good coffee is not bitter.

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    40. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by jwdb · · Score: 1

      I find food in general to be sweeter in the US, almost as if the whole country has a sweet tooth. Chocolate being sweeter is just one symptom of that.

      It's not to my taste, but who am I to judge...

    41. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This explains a factor of the Halloweens of my youth:
      Hershey's Chocolate tasted pretty much the same coming up as going down.

      Not much later in life, I found the same to be true of Jack Daniel's...

    42. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by NetNed · · Score: 1

      I think you mean mass produced, candy bar chocolate, which is available in the US AND Europe. A lot of the times it's not even real chocolate but what is called confectionary coating which is a cheaper, easier to work with substitute. Tempering real chocolate to make it look right and not have a milky haze is almost an art. Temps and humidity have to be in a range to control how it hardens to get a nice shine to the chocolate. With confectionary coating it isn't as particular, which is why A LOT of the big manufacturers use it because it's easy to control. That's also why a lot of the, for lack of a better term, hobbyists use it to make chocolate molds around the holidays. With real chocolate if you are using a double boiler to melt it, you have to be on top of it to get the end product to look good. That's why chocolatiers use temping machines that constantly stirs the melted chocolate and holds it at a certain temp. With all that said, confectionary coating is sweeter and waxy, and to me, disgusting but easy to work with. There is PLENTY of fine chocolates available in the US, you just have to know where and what to get. Hell, even big chain supermarkets sometimes have some decent US and European chocolates. Even at that, If I am looking at European chocolate I am looking for Belgian or German chocolates. Chocolates from other countries

    43. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the hipster. There's always at least one subhuman here that feels the need to tell you what your preferences should be. Fuck you. The only thing you were ever good at was playing pokemon go in the middle of a freeway.

    44. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, is that why it tastes like vomit?

    45. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It's probably like Germany. There (as I understand it), the government takes tithes out of your paycheck to give to the church. To do this, you have to declare a church affiliation. So if you're dumb enough to declare to the government that you're a Lutheran or whatever, they'll take 10% of your pay and give it to that denomination. If you say that you're unaffiliated/non-religious, you keep all your money (minus the other taxes of course).

      It wouldn't work in the US because there's a strong aversion here to mixing the government with religion that way. (The religious want their churches to have power over the government, and religious people in power in the government, not the other way around which is how it appears with the government having control over church finances by forcibly taking tithes.)

    46. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      Anybody who's a least a bit chocoholic should try Belgian chocolate. We may not be a chauvinistic country, but we all agree that we've got some of the best beers, and definitely the best chocolate. According to Belgian law, US chocolate cannot even be called chocolate. It has be labeled 'cocoa fantasy'. Chocolate can only be made with cocoa butter - no cheaper fatty substitutes allowed. And of course, to mask the shitty flavor of those ersatz fats, more sugar has to be added to US 'chocolate'.

      US law also requires a certain percentage of the fat to come cocoa butter if it is to be labeled chocolate. Many products are required to use a term such as "chocolate flavored" (eg. chocolate flavored confection).

    47. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't work in the US because there's a strong aversion here to mixing the government with religion that way.

      Not to mention Constitution:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    48. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      So in other words this is rather like the tea from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    49. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      It's not a regional thing. Plenty of nasty sweet chocolate all over this fine planet. Plenty of excellent chocolate in USA. Some of my favorite large producers are Trader Joe's and Ghirardelli - both of which make a world class 72% and 85% product.

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    50. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't see how that would prevent what Germany does. If a State wanted to withhold tithes from people's paychecks in that State, the 1A doesn't prevent it, as long as the government doesn't favor any one religion. As long as any religion could apply for this service, it should be legal. The problem is that it'd probably be an administrative nightmare. As I understand it, over in Germany, most Christians still fall into a handful of denominations, which are all probably organized at the national level (i.e., the Catholics have organizations at the diocesan levels, and probably one country-wide level above those, which reports to the Vatican; the Lutherans have one organization, the Anglicans too, etc.). Over here in the US, things aren't that simple. While the Catholics are of course well-organized, the other mainstream Protestant denomations are less so: there's mainstream groups for the Epsicopals, Lutherans, etc., but all these also have renegade divisions where some chuches at some point rebelled against the heirarchy and split off into their own sect. The Lutherans, for instance, have the Wisconin and Missouri Synods which are ultra-conservative, unlike the regular sect. The Presbyterians have PC-USA which most churches are part of, but a bunch are either independent or part of some other ultra-conservative group (lately in response to the Presbyterians' acceptance of homosexuals and of homosexual preachers even). There's a zillion different Baptist groups out there dating from the 1800s. And these days half the Protestants are Evangelicals, and frequently part of some Prosperity Gospel megachurch, which is totally independent. All in all, there's probably tens if not hundreds of thousands of "organizations" around the nation, just for Christianity, though most of these are independent churches both large and small (some of them in peoples' basements even). So keeping track of all these entities and giving them access to the government-tithe-withholding system would end up costing an absolute fortune. In Germany, they probably don't have this problem because 1) I'm pretty sure they don't have remotely as many independent churches and 2) they don't have our 1A, so they can probably safely ignore smaller religious organizations and just do this for large, established ones.

      Honestly, I'm not sure why Germany still does this at all. Much of their population isn't religious any more, and if people want to give money to a church, they can do it themselves without the government's help. It's probably some silly holdover from previous generations when churches were a stronger part of civic life, but for an advanced and secular western nation, it's really an embarrassment IMO.

    51. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      People keep saying Hershey's is bad, but Hershey bars do get what I would call a "milky haze"... which I thought was just the cocoa butter separating from the other ingredients.

    52. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      ...the taste is almost chocolately in nature.

      Good Vietnamese coffee beans, prepared in a French press immediately after grinding, taste like chocolate and vanilla.

      Now I just need a way to get to Vietnam, or to get my friend to make another trip there.

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    53. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      they don't have our 1A, so they can probably safely ignore smaller religious organizations and just do this for large, established ones.

      We're on the same page, that's the point I was trying to make about 1A. If I wanted to get tax money to help fund Pastafarianism in Germany, they couldn't deny me unless they had 1A (?).

      Ramen.

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  8. Details by manu0601 · · Score: 0

    TFA says nothing about how they achieved the result.

    1. Re:Details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they used simulations on a supercomputer, they should tell that and make the relevant science and HPC cool again for the public in high schools.

  9. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by alzoron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because the goal is to not make the chocolate taste like shit.

  10. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know what this sugar configuration they've come up with tastes like so I can't compare but if it tastes the same as their regular sugar then that is a big improvement over splenda. Splenda is an excellent sugar substitute but it's doesn't taste like sugar.

  11. Nestle by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, but Nestle "chocolate" already tastes awful. I'm not shocked that they can't ruin it further without taking over Palmer or Zacarey.

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    1. Re:Nestle by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but Nestle "chocolate" already tastes awful. I'm not shocked that they can't ruin it further without taking over Palmer or Zacarey.

      I take it then you have never tried Hershey's Chocolate?

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    2. Re:Nestle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's possible for more than one thing to be awful, and for some awful things to be even worse than other awful things. They're all still awful. Awful!

    3. Re:Nestle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I agree, I live in central Europe and if you ever have tasted Läderach (Swiss) or Bachhalm or Zotter (Austrian) you would not touch any Nestle dreck with a 10 ft pole.
      Same goes for Belgium chocolate which is miles ahead of anything Nestle vomits out in its factories.

    4. Re:Nestle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did given my European chocolate tastes, I remember vaguely that I almost vomitted on it.

    5. Re:Nestle by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Ironic, given that it already contains the chemical that gives vomit it's tell-tale aroma - butyric acid.

    6. Re:Nestle by jandersen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes I agree, I live in central Europe and if you ever have tasted LÃderach (Swiss) or Bachhalm or Zotter (Austrian) you would not touch any Nestle dreck with a 10 ft pole.

      If you really lived in Central Europe, you would know that Poles, although excellent people, rarely get that tall.

    7. Re:Nestle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TRUE STORY:
          I was arriving to a Polish restaurant and parked near the front door. Adjacent to me was another car in the handicapped space with a retired man & his grand daughter. She got out first and rounded to his door to help him get out, but he was already started. And the granddaughter- upon realizing the car's door was was parked very close to some yellow cement-filled parking lot collision poles- exclaimed to him "Stop, you'll hit a pole!". His response? "I don't see anybody." and proceeded to whack his car's door against the yellow column.
          Of course the story here is that he heard "Pole", nevertheless I fell out laughing! I will always appreciate the wonderful & rare coincidence that specific parking space at that specific restaurant can offer :)

      .

    8. Re:Nestle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That 3.048 meters, for all you Central Europeans.

  12. Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok maybe it does taste the same. Now, how does it affect the human body? Does it metabolize the same? Will it cause cancer?

    Should this be classified as a new drug and put to thorough and strict testing?

    1. Re:Right... by Rei · · Score: 1

      Um... it's sugar.... it's the same chemical...

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    2. Re:Right... by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      No, they removed 40% of the sugar. That doe not mean that they didn't sneak in one of the chemistry set artificial sweeteners that will kill you but bought their way past the FDA.

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  13. Simple, ypu cut everything else by 40% too by rossdee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except price which you increase

    ?????
    profit

    1. Re:Simple, ypu cut everything else by 40% too by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that Toblerone just patented that innovation.

    2. Re:Simple, ypu cut everything else by 40% too by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Toblerone is owned by Mondelez (aka Kraft), the other company ruining all the chocolate we loved as a kid.

  14. HFKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Like all the others in America: H-igh F-ructose K-orn S-yrup. They gots to go to Mexico to get the real deal anymore.

    1. Re:HFKS by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Considering the Mexicans (or rather the Aztecs who lived in what is now Mexico) invented chocolate, it doesn't surprise me that Mexico has good chocolate :)

  15. How do we know this is true? by Required+Snark · · Score: 0, Troll
    Trump has shown that you can get anything you want by lying. What's to stop a greedy corporation from applying the same technique to marketing? In a post-factual world even if authorities say that something is not true it makes no difference if enough people are convinced.

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    1. Re:How do we know this is true? by Sebby · · Score: 1

      Because it will be patented, and since the PTO can't tell its head from its ass, they'll approve it and it will become true.

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    2. Re:How do we know this is true? by Coisiche · · Score: 1

      Well Nestle are late to the game then, hasn't a Microsoft exec already said Windows 10 is the safest operation system?

    3. Re:How do we know this is true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure they only said it was the safest Windows operating system. Which of course is not true, Windows 1.0 was much safer, lacking in support for over 99.99999% of all existing viruses, and completely immune to network vulnerabilities via TCP/IP.

    4. Re:How do we know this is true? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      "Post-factual world"? WTF are you smoking?

      Most politicians are guilty of being big liars. Trump just made it more comical and used their tricks against them. It should be no surprise that politicians are good at lying: almost all of them are lawyers. The entire law profession is nothing but professional lying.

      Finally, "applying the same technique to marketing"? WTF do think marketing is??? Marketing is just a euphemism for lying! It's always been that way!

      How old are you anyway? You're acting like Trump invented lying!

  16. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're not a human, are you?

  17. Pleeeeeease?! by Edis+Krad · · Score: 1

    Please name it Mockolate! :D

    1. Re:Pleeeeeease?! by Sebby · · Score: 1

      Please name it Mockolate! :D

      "Chocolate Mock"

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    2. Re: Pleeeeeease?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Chocolate Mock? Thanks alot.

  18. A real "breakthrough" by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the mean time "real" dark chocolate already has 14g or less sugar per serving. They do this by using real cocoa instead of sugar and wax as a filler.

    US chocolate brands are absolutely awful and sweet.

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    1. Re:A real "breakthrough" by JoeyRox · · Score: 2

      The reason they add sugar to chocolate is to make it palatable. Some grow to enjoy dark chocolate but most find its flavor abhorrent.

    2. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason they add sugar to chocolate is to make it palatable. Some grow to enjoy dark chocolate but most find its flavor abhorrent.

      then it is obvious you don't like chocolate but sugar.
      why then force yourself to eat something you don't like (chocolate) when you could just eat what you like (sugar) without ruining it for the rest of us.

    3. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's wonderful news! i'll take 8 servings, please.

    4. Re:A real "breakthrough" by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      US chocolate brands are absolutely awful and sweet.

      What nationality do you consider Ghiradelli to have?

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    5. Re:A real "breakthrough" by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      Don't follow your reasoning. If someone puts cream in their coffee does that mean they like cream instead of coffee?

    6. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Don't ruin your coffee by putting shit in it. Coffee should always be taken black.

    7. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And without water. Just eat the beans, raw.

    8. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And to those 'most' , I would say they don't know what chocolate actually is, or what cacao, actually supposed to taste like. They only know what sugar is.

      I'll take my 85% cacao dark chocolate bar at $3, over ANYTHING on the $1 shelf. Sorry, but 95% of American chocolate is crap.

    9. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about Nestle is a US chocolate brand? Do you guys just call anything you don't like American these days, even Swiss companies?

    10. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US chocolate brands are absolutely awful and sweet.

      There are big differences between the European products (Swedish-Finnish-Swiss-Belgian-French..) . It would be nice if also the big brands in different States in the US could reflect the regional differences in producing different food products such as chocolate and alcohol. This "McDonald's standardization" kills creativity and variety in products meant for enjoyment, as variety is the spice of life.

    11. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Higher priced US made chocolate bars vary widely. Some are wonderful. BTW, you will not find these at 7-Eleven, you may find some at a mainstream supermarket, less so in "the heartland" and you will find bigger selections in markets that cater to upscale clients (that's clientele, not customers) or even place like Whole Foods (aka Whole Money). Although I've noticed Whole Foods is carrying less selection than a few years ago. Ah! I just read on Wikipedia that Whole Foods dropped Scharffen Berger because Hershey's was not dealing with child labor in their chocolate sourcing. Even Trader Joe's has 'upscale' brands. Brands such a Love, Scharffen Berger. Scharffen Berger was bought by Hershey's some years ago. It seems to have been untouched by the big guy. Years ago. decades ago I discovered Hershey's Bittersweet, which I like. I haven't seen it much for a decade or two.
      The Los Angeles Museum of Natural History about 20 years ago? had an exhibit on Chocolate. The Incas kept the best for the Emperor and his minions, included a brewed drink made with rosewater. As is common with attempts to recreate recipes over a few hundred years old, results have been poor.
      To me, bittersweets are too sweet, milk chocolates leave me flat, and white chocolate is criminal fraud.
      Sugar has other affects on a recipe. Using less sugar with the same level of sweetness is still a different recipe--things like mouth feel, blending of ingredients, slightly moist vs slightly dry, hardness are some many factors that could change, requiring more tweaking of the end product.
      See the book/website Twinkie Deconstructed for more info on making commercial processed food. For example, Twinkies for longer shelf life have no butter. Replacing the butter flavor is the same chemical used in movie popcorn, but replacing the other functions of butter requires many other ingredients.

    12. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I checked Nestle was a Swiss maker - but yeah, I know it sells most of this in the USA.

    13. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stick to subtropical, high-altitude soil for my puritan morning kick. Taste and digestion are just a states of mind.

    14. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a professional cook, and with taste it's often a matter of balance. People don't like things which are purely sweet, purely bitter, and so on. You have to strike some kind of harmony, which is not too extreme and also not too simple. It's a bit like music in the sense that you're striving for a kind of semi-predictable complexity.

    15. Re:A real "breakthrough" by guruevi · · Score: 1

      The Ghirardelli Chocolate Company is a United States division of Swiss confectioner Lindt & Sprüngli.

      So it's a US version of the worst Swiss chocolate around.

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    16. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently there are chocolate snobs just like wine snobs and "audiophiles".

    17. Re:A real "breakthrough" by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Depends on how much cream they put into their coffee. If it's enough to add a new note of flavor, they like coffee. If it's enough that the coffee tastes more like 'cream with coffee flavouring' then no, they like cream.

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    18. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      There's some inaccuracies in your post.

      First, the higher-priced chocolate bars really aren't that hard to find. You really should be able to find the higher-priced US-made chocolate bars at any Walmart or Target, even in "the heartland". Target carries Lindt, for instance. It's not going to be in the checkout aisle, though.

      Another good place to get chocolate (both US and especially European) is "Cost Plus World Market". These stores are pretty common in suburban areas, and have a lot of specialty foreign foods plus some fancy American-made stuff that's hard to find in supermarkets.

      Finally, Whole Foods' alternate name is "Whole Paycheck".

      And how is white chocolate "criminal fraud"? If you get really high-quality white chocolate, it's fantastic.

    19. Re:A real "breakthrough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Californian

  19. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

    I don't know what this sugar configuration they've come up with tastes like so I can't compare but if it tastes the same as their regular sugar then that is a big improvement over splenda. Splenda is an excellent sugar substitute but it's doesn't taste like sugar.

    It never ceases to amaze me how different people can be from each other. Something that tastes good to some people tastes awful to others. For you, Splenda "doesn't taste like sugar", yet for me it is the only artificial sweetener I will use because it takes just like sugar (to me).

    Every other artificial sweetener tastes ... artificial. I can't taste anything but unpleasant chemicals.

  20. aero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't seen an Aero bar outside Canada...

  21. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    why is it necessary to eat sugar? why is it necessary to eat?

  22. Creepy. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    So they changed the chemical structure of the sugar molecules. It made it 40% sweeter by volume without otherwise changing the taste noticeably. What else did it change? Isn't anyone else even a little bit creeped out by this?

    1. Re:Creepy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They added empty space, which is fatal 100% of the time!

    2. Re:Creepy. by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

      Says "Structure" not "Chemical Structure"

      Like powdering the salt on fries so it dissolves faster and activates taste buds more efficiently - so they can reduce the amount without losing the saltiness.

      This sounds like they are keeping the sweetness by doing something physical. Maybe just put more sugar in the outside of the bar where the tongue hits?

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  23. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the risk of being called sexist, consuming chocolate is necessary for people suffering from PMS.

  24. Call me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Call me when they figure out how to take 40% of the insanity and irrelevance out of the Democrat party without affecting teh good feelz those SJW so desperately cling to.

  25. sounds good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of chocolate candy has so much sugar in it, it practically burns my mouth.

  26. Texture? by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    A big part of the chocolate 'experience' is the texture. Sugar does more than just provide sweetness its also a 'wet' ingredient in most cooking. Its also highly soluble in saliva, what does this do the creaminess?

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    1. Re:Texture? by aXis100 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The main textural components in chocolate come from the cocoa mass and cocoa butter.

      Creaminess comes from particle size, and the cocoa mass (and sugar) spends hours and hours in conching mills to get it around 20-30 micron. The mixed chocolate then spends a long time in tempering circuits to promote the right crystal size in cocoa butter fatty acids.

    2. Re:Texture? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Its also highly soluble in saliva, what does this do the creaminess?

      Don't worry, they'll make up for that with some emulsified vegetable fat, carboxymethyl cellulose, and a nice slug of E322 to stabilise it all.

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  27. Like all their other "no change" changes by linear+a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Like all their other "no flavor change" changes to their chocolate over the decades. This will just cheapen it a little bit more. They used to have good chocolate (maybe I'm showing my age with that remark) but it's bilge now. “There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper." John Ruskin

  28. #DumpNestle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck Nestle and fuck Nestle Chairman.

  29. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make sure you are comparing to actual sugar and not corn syrup. Food and drink made with cane sugar tastes noticeably better to me than anything with corn syrup.

    As far as artificial sweeteners go, Splenda is definitely the closest in taste to sugar, but I would never mistake it for sugar. I suppose if it were mixed with the right ingredients and compared against corn syrup, it might be more difficult to tell the difference, though.

  30. oh bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't they try this before when they tried to remove cocoa butter from "milk chocolate", given milk chocolate is gross enough. Can we please not make it more disgusting?

    They say people can't tell, but they can. Also keep in mind that Nestle doesn't sell any chocolates in the US, Hershey sells the Kitkat, which is a completely different thing from the Canadian version.

  31. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Pseudonym · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's simpler to eat dark chocolate like a civilised person.

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  32. it's about health by bojackhorseman · · Score: 1

    so people can eat (buy) more shit from them without caring about sugar, amazing

  33. I wonder about "restructuring" sugar by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    What does that mean, exactly? Is it going to change it enough where the end product is actually significantly worse for you health-wise than what it replaced - like hydrogenated vegetable oils?

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  34. on the other hand ... by swell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Many years ago I learned about 'left handed sugar'. This, apparently was a regular sugar molecule, except that it was a mirror image. The beauty of it was that it tasted exactly like sugar but the body didn't know what to do with it so it passed through without harm. Perfect for diabetics, fat people and those who want to preserve their brain cells!

    Yeah, I really didn't want to look it up and you probably don't either, so the answer to your question is: it's very expensive to synthesize. The actual question may take some time to calculate.

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    1. Re: on the other hand ... by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      If regular (right enantiomer) sugar is 'dextrose', is left-enantiomer sugar officially named 'levose', 'levtrose', 'levorose', or 'levotrose'?

    2. Re: on the other hand ... by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      (blush) found the answer... it's "levulose"

    3. Re:on the other hand ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Passing through can lead to osmotic diarrhea like eating too much sugar free junk with sorbitol.

    4. Re: on the other hand ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's disappointing. I was hoping for something like "sinistrose".

    5. Re:on the other hand ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The beauty of it was that it tasted exactly like sugar but the body didn't know what to do with it so it passed through without harm.

      Ha! Like sugar alcohols, your body can't digest it, but your gut flora can. So expect lots of gas and discomfort if you consume too much of it. Sugar alcohols are cheaper to make and are common in "sugar free" candies. A few are fine to eat, but binge on them and you'll be sorry. Look on Amazon at the low reviews for sugar free candies that contain sugar alcohol. Lots of sad stories.

  35. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why is it necessary to eat?

    Choosing not to eat is a life and death choice. Choosing not to eat chocolate is not a life and death choice. They aren't equivalent considerations.

  36. If you need sugar in your chocolate.... by DRichardHipp · · Score: 2

    ... then you don't need chocolate. Just say'in.

    1. Re:If you need sugar in your chocolate.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, what? 100% Cocoa chocolate is extremely bitter. Pretty much all edibles made with chocolate have sugar.

  37. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For most of human history humans have not eaten chocolate. I am most assuredly a human.

  38. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by moosehooey · · Score: 1

    Because Splenda makes me fart like a horse.

  39. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would argue that the first step in realizing that goal is to avoid Nestle products at all costs.

  40. Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

    Years ago, I used to *love* Nestle's plain chocolate bars (the ones in red wrappers with white writing that were basically "Nestle Crunch, without the 'crunch' part".

    At some point over the past 20 years, they silently vanished from the shelves of American stores (though Nestle Crunch remains), and Hershey's vomit-flavored chocolate was all that remained. Well, and Dove... Dove is better than Hershey's, but not as good as I remember Nestle chocolate being.

    Hopefully, this will be the game-changer that gets Nestle back into American stores & breaks Hershey's hegemony.

    1. Re:Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, and Dove... Dove is better than Hershey's, but not as good as I remember Nestle chocolate being.

      Dove does taste better than Hershey's but please note that it's intended to be a body soap.

    2. Re:Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It tastes like shit, my dear friend, because it is NOT chocolate. It is called "candy" for good reason, because there is typically insufficient proportions of cocao for the end-product to pass international standards for product identification.
      Nestlé in Switzerland owns several brands that existed well before Nestlé bought them out, and they make most excellent chocolate.
      e.g. https://cailler.ch/en/
      They had a shit of a time when they first went live with the new packaging. The Swiss almost flat out refused to buy chocolate with a big Nestlé sign on it, sales numbers dropped through the floor, so they repackaged it with a big Cailler and a small Nestlé logo instead, and suddenly it sold like hotcakes again.
      So yes, Nestlé has a bad reputation amongst afficionados, but no, not everything they own is forcibly shit...

    3. Re:Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many UK chocolate brands were banned from being imported into the US (sponsored by you guessed it). The ones of the shelves are generally made under licence by puke-choc maker Hershit's themselves, or they're imported via another plant that uses the US recipe, such as the ones in Greece (or similar semi-third world country).

      Having moved back to the UK after living in the US while this travesty took place, I have to let you know the UK stuff is pretty crap now, too. Cadbury's tastes weird and has a bit of that puky aftertaste you get with Herpoo's. Nestle is just weird now as they panic over market losses. Lidl have a fair Cadbury-like stuff offering. Kraft have destroyed Cadbury's with their incessant tweaks, making it in Poland, and faffing around with shape and size. Pretty much what you'd expect from a lying US corporation.

    4. Re:Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      I remember some chocolate bar from when I was a kid, it was called '100 Grand' or something. It was a bar of chocolate with honey-flavoured rice crisps in it. One day, it just vanished.

      I also remember when the changed the tomato sauce used in Alphaghettis, and then it sucked.

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    5. Re:Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      All of the stores in my area still sell 100 Grand bars.

    6. Re:Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      I remember some chocolate bar from when I was a kid, it was called '100 Grand' or something. It was a bar of chocolate with honey-flavoured rice crisps in it. One day, it just vanished.

      I can still find 100 Grand in the variety bags, but it's getting increasingly harder to find by itself. I also remember when we had both Mars bars and Milky Way in the US.

    7. Re: Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Update: found a pic of their old [70s/80s/90s(?)/early-00s(??)] chocolate bar wrapper:

      http://tinyurl.com/zfu2mgx

      It looks like it began disappearing from US stores sometime around 2005, and Nestle pulled the plug and quit selling it altogether (in the US, at least) as a cost-cutting measure during the Great Recession (when the few stores willing to re-stock products *at all* eliminated anything they regarded as 'niche').

    8. Re:Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Alas, 'your area' is probably the US of A.

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    9. Re:Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Alas, this is true. But it means you could buy them online.

    10. Re:Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Doubly-alas, it's not the 100 Grand bar I was thinking of.

      I honestly can't remember the name of the damn thing.

      Ah well. At least we get Coffee Crisp, Crispy Crunch, Caramilk, and all sorts of other goodies.

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  41. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's simpler to eat dark chocolate like a civilised person.

    You do know that has sugar too right? That is unless your eating the 100% bakers chocolate. I did that for awhile. I may even buy more, but the best I've found that is reasonably tasting is the Lindt 85% from Amazon or wherever.

  42. Re: Why not just use Splenda? by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Informative

    Splenda by itself doesn't quite taste like sugar. Combining it with acesulfame potassium neutralizes the 'off' taste (Pepsi has a patent on it... it's why the semi-new Diet Pepsi without aspartame tastes so good, and why Diet Coke -- even with Splenda -- is still kind of gross.)

    UNFORTUNATELY, AceK is even more unsuitable for baked, cooked, or melted foods than aspartame, so it's a one-trick pony that only works for cold beverages (but, combined with sucralose, works miracles).

  43. Will they make it smaller by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    or replace the sugar with something else? What?

  44. Nestle didn't discover anything. by Khyber · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is something well-known to anyone with actual culinary experience. See sea salt vs table salt. Same principle applies to sugar - make if finer, you find that you actually end up using LESS because of more even distribution for same effect.

    Nestle is literally trying to patent that which has been known for fucking centuries by any generally-knowledgeable housewife or cook or chef.

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    1. Re:Nestle didn't discover anything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm, sea salt is goo in chocolate. The large crystals gives the chocolate a crunchy texture, and the large crystals also gives a more salty taste when you break them up. Some other salty chocolate you can hardly taste the salt.

      Salty chocolate has started to come into the Netherlands, I think it is coming from England.
      This year one of the special versions of chocolate letter (a chocolate bar shaped like a letter, a seasonal food for the celebration of Saint Nicolas, or actual from a pagan ritual to celebrate the gift of Runes by Odin) with crushed hard caramel and sea-salt, incredibly delicious.

    2. Re:Nestle didn't discover anything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not patenting the idea of making sugar finer, they're actually patenting a *process* to do this. Presumably it's not one that's been done before, or it'd be unpatentable due to prior art. This makes it an actual useful patent and, if they produce chocolate with 40% less sugar, a valuable one. Their competitors will be knocking down their doors to license it.

    3. Re:Nestle didn't discover anything. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Sea salt vs. table salt isn't just a difference in crystal size (sea salt can be milled down to a finer size easily). Sea salt has a different chemical makeup than table salt: that's why it tastes so different. Table salt is almost pure sodium chloride, plus some anti-caking agents and iodine, and has all the impurities refined out. Sea salt has much higher concentrations of trace minerals, namely calcium, magnesium, potassium, and iron. These things are still small in concentration in sea salt (hence the term "trace amounts"), but it's enough to make the salt taste noticeably different.

  45. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    So, which is it--

    You're saying that the Mayas and the Aztecs weren't human?

    Or are you saying that the last 3,000 years or so does not count as a significant portion of human history?

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  46. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Or are you saying that the last 3,000 years or so does not count as a significant portion of human history?

    Yes. 3,000 years is not "most of human history".

  47. So people addicted to sugar consume 66% more... by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

    to get the same amount of sugar while consuming even more fat than before the change since that wasn't reduced. Therefore the total calories consumed will increase despite eating the same amount of sugar. Most importantly, though, Nestle will have higher sales volume.

    The publics ability to neglect the reactions in active systems never ceases to amaze, but the corporate world's ability to take advantage of it is even more astonishing.

  48. Re: Why not just use Splenda? by germansausage · · Score: 1

    Learn something new every day! Now I know why I like diet pepsi better than diet coke.

  49. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    I did say it was a great artificial sweetener. I use it a lot. It just doesn't taste the same as sugar.

  50. No you won't. by HBI · · Score: 1

    Chocolate has lots of fat in it. Not impacted.

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    1. Re:No you won't. by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sugar is worse than fat. Fat doesn't spike your insulin making you hungry again shortly afterwards.

      The start of the real obesity epidemic in the USA correlates strongly with the research that sugar companies paid for that painted fat as the enemy, and the frenzied replacement of fat in many food products with sugar. See "low fat!" on a label? They had to find something to replace it with, and that was usually sugar.

    2. Re:No you won't. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Far too simplistic. And your point doesn't seem to be correct based on the article itself. The obesity epidemic didn't start in the USA until the 90's, and there were far more factors then just "fat and sugar." The 90's also had the "children should say in side" actors spouting off all the time, coupled with the "stranger danger" garbage painted by the media. The lack of actual exercise and all that has more to do with this.

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    3. Re:No you won't. by pscottdv · · Score: 1

      Plus all the stuff to do and see on screens starting around then. I used to run around outside because I was bored.

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  51. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by ranton · · Score: 1

    For most of human history humans have not eaten chocolate. I am most assuredly a human.

    For most of human history humans did not have indoor plumbing, but I'm sure they would have wanted it. Same goes with chocolate.

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  52. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    If you're going to go all pedantic on me, let's talk about that little difference between history and prehistory of which you appear to be blissfully unaware.

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  53. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 4, Funny

    How the hell do you raise your tail?

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  54. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The weakness of your argument is tedious. But I find your childish bitterness entertaining.

  55. Sugar is cheap by deiksac · · Score: 1

    Wonderin what they gonna use instead? Clay?

  56. Re: Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't eat persons - civilized or not.

  57. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same goes with chocolate.

    But I don't want chocolate. Your reasoning is unsound.

  58. Hurray! More FAT! by KreAture · · Score: 1

    With this fantastic stride in culinary wizardry they can use more fat instead!
    They sure as hell won't use more cocoa.

  59. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, but the problem I see is that sugar is then replaced by what? Kit Kat and the likes where already filled with low quality fat. So they will replace carbohydrates with more fat? There's an earlier report by slashdot that some artificial sweeteners also contribute largely to obesity. I hope the war on sugar lessens, except where it benefits those that can't take sugar. But otherwise, if people want less sugar the best thing is to eat less chocolate and more brown rice and vegetables.

  60. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because Splenda (sucralose) has a horrible taste.

  61. Good dark chocolate does not contain sugar at all by mbierenfeld · · Score: 1

    you can use honey or orange concentrate, or whatever. This so called "Chocolate obsession" of some people is *imho* more or less a sugar obsession.

  62. Saving money in the process by majorme · · Score: 0

    It's a win-win for them. Like those air bubbles in some chocolate bars. Offering less for more

  63. nestle boycott by queBurro · · Score: 1

    isn't this still a thing?
    and... cutting sugar from chocolate smacks a bit of when Thatcher worked out how to introduce air to ice cream.

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    1. Re:nestle boycott by queBurro · · Score: 1

      Here you go: "Michigan is about to sell 100M gallons of groundwater to Nestlé for $200" per year...
      https://actions.sumofus.org/a/...

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  64. Nope. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Parent post is inaccurate and shouldn't be modded informative.

    Dark chocolate still has sugar in. It doesn't have milk in like milk chocolate.

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    1. Re:Nope. by CheeseyDJ · · Score: 2

      Dark chocolate still has sugar in. It doesn't have milk in like milk chocolate.

      True, but it usually has significantly less - it depends how bitter you like your dark chocolate.

      Also, some of the sugar in milk chocolate actually comes from the milk (milk is about 5% sugar IIRC).

    2. Re:Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dark chocolate still has sugar in. It doesn't have milk in like milk chocolate.

      But it does have substantially less sugar. Probably less than the amounts they mention here, depending on how high a dark chocolate percentage you go...

  65. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    I do. Lindt Excellence 85% FTW!

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  66. Evil Bastards by polyp2000 · · Score: 1

    Its a shame they are so evil.
    Use Palm Oil (a major contributor of deforestation )
    Buying up Land and water wells in developing countries, then selling their own water back to them.
    and then there was the Infant Formula fiasco.

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  67. Foods are too sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With this new method, they should be able to reduce the actual amount of sugar by 80%

  68. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by dave420 · · Score: 1

    To you. You seem to be assuming that you experience the world the same way as everyone else.

  69. Chocolate vs Candy bars by codeButcher · · Score: 1

    And here I thought one eats those kind of candy bars for the burning sensation down your throat, the sugar high soon afterwards, and then the nice lethargic lull - and not for the sweetness. Because by golly, they sure tend to nuke one's taste buds into oblivion.

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  70. 4 years from now.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll have a similar headline reading that this new breakthrough discovery leads to cancer and aspergers syndrome. Way to go Nestle!

  71. So you're saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you're saying I can have my cake and eat it too?

  72. Less sugar, more calories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Kitkat bar has 518.4 kcal per 100 grams according to Google. Sugar has 386.7 kcal per 100 grams.

    By reducing sugar, the calories per 100 grams of Kitkat will actually go up, not down. Total calories does go down though due to reduced mass, unless they decide to keep the mass the same.

    1. Re:Less sugar, more calories by Rei · · Score: 1

      1) You're assuming that they replace the sugar with something that is predominantly fat. That's not a given as an assumption.

      2) Sugar does not contribute to a feeling of fullness. Fat and protein do. Hence why sugar is bad for weight gain. Fat is worse for weight gain than protein because it's over twice as calorie dense, but at least it contributes to fullness.

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    2. Re:Less sugar, more calories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) You're assuming that they replace the sugar with something that is predominantly fat. That's not a given as an assumption.

      No. You do not need to replace the sugar. The fat content per 100 grams will increase since the fat amount stays the same while the total weight drops.

  73. Reminds me of sucrose chiral by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    Dissolve sucrose into acidic catalyst solution, disaccharide of glucose and fructose splits and rotates left when illuminated with polarized light measured with two polarized lenses.

    The rotated chiral of sucrose is sweeter.

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  74. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

    I was thinking Noir Infini, but sure.

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  75. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yay, another chocolate snob. Dark chocolate is horribly bitter with a disgusting aftertaste that can only be washed away with bourbon.

  76. Dark chocolate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a European chocoloate snob who came here only to proclaim my love for dark chocolate and of course that anything Americans like is trash. The only down side to dark chocolate is that when I want some I have to buy two bars: one to eat and one to shove up my smug ass.

    1. Re:Dark chocolate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You Americans just can't stand that us Europeans get to eat good food, while you have to settle for slops of sugar and synthetic chemicals. It's not us who are snobs, it's you who have become pigs, and what's worse you just accept it!

    2. Re:Dark chocolate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, is more that you never shut up about how your food is supposedly so much better. God forbid someone actually prefer the taste of what you refer to as "slops of sugar and synthetic chemicals" to the bitter dry shit you call chocolate which in reality probably has a number of synthetic chemical preservatives in it as well.

      Also, please tell me how the dozens of comments from smug assholes about "American chocolate is gross" "'Real' chocolate fans eat dark chocolate" add anything to the discussion other than to be obnoxious and asinine. Why not throw in some pointless comments about the metric system and public transportation just to complete the European douchebag trifecta?

  77. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the goal is to not make the chocolate taste like shit.

    I used to love Sierra Mist but then then they replaced some of the HFCS with stevia and now the soda tastes horrible. I sent back two glasses of it before asking for a different drink thinking that something was really wrong with the soda fountain, it was days later that someone mentioned to me that the formula had recently changed.

    Some people appear to be "lucky" in that they somehow can't tell the difference. To me all of the artificial sweeteners taste terrible compared to regular sugar and corn syrup (which I don't consider artificial as it's still made of actual sugar molecules).

  78. Am I too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to talk about how MY tastes are uniquely tuned to the finer EUROPEAN chocolate, and not that VOMIT you common American CLODS call chocolate.

    Oh, dammit, I'm too late. 50 posts on this already.

  79. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    Why do you think people eat it?

  80. If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if only Nestle could make chocolate that people like. In the U.S. you won't find Nestle's chocolate bars for sale in stores because it sucks. Sure, You may have had a Nestle's crunch bar but not a pure chocolate bar in its red wrapper. Well, I bought a box a few months ago thinking I'd relive a golden moment from years gone by only to remember why the chocolate isn't for sale. It tasted so bad that after 6 months I still have half of a box which may last another year or more.

    1. Re:If only by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      In the U.S. you won't find Nestle's chocolate bars for sale in stores because it sucks.

      That can't be the reason. Nestle chocolate sucks, but Hershey is still in the stores and it sucks even worse.

  81. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    I apologize dude. Didn't mean to offend you.

  82. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    Every other artificial sweetener tastes ... artificial. I can't taste anything but unpleasant chemicals.

    I suspect what you're tasting isn't 'artficiality'. For example, if you taste glucose, sucrose, and stevia, they taste remarkably different, even though they are natural sweeteners. On the other hand, if you compare items sweetened with Aspartame and those sweetened with stevia, you'll find that they taste similar. It seems that the 'very sweet' sweeteners have that kind of cloying sweetness that you can taste all down your throat and that leaves an unpleasant aftertaste, even when they are diluted so the sweetness is equivalent to that of sucrose.

    There's a whole science and a lot of experimentation behind sweetness profiles in things like soft drinks. Whatever Coca-Cola did with Coke Zero makes it enjoyable for me to drink, although I can still immediately tell that it's not sweetened with regular sugar. But I still can't drink Diet Coke - the taste makes me wince, and the aftertaste is worse.

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  83. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. In certain people, the process by which their body breaks down Splenda releases nitrogen.

  84. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, if you compare items sweetened with Aspartame and those sweetened with stevia, you'll find that they taste similar.

    Not at all. I can tolerate aspartame but stevia tastes bitter to me like black coffee bitter. Stevia has a horrible aftertaste to me. Splenda is my favorite, the pink stuff is overly sweet to me, and aspartame is somewhere in the middle. I can easily tell which sweetener is used in which diet soda with a single sip. None of them taste the same to me especially stevia. I'm always amazed how anyone can tolerate stevia at all. It's like someone added cleaning chemicals to my sugar. Of all of them, I would probably have the hardest time telling splenda and real sugar apart so no, it's not the artificiality, it's that everyone tastes them a little bit different or in some cases a lot different.

  85. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    I did say it was a great artificial sweetener. I use it a lot. It just doesn't taste the same as sugar.

    There's a reason there are several different types of artificial sweetener's out there. Splenda doesn't taste like much of anything to me. Other people like it. I like Equal myself. Some other people can't even tolerate that.

    Strangest thing is that the sweetener I don't like at all is table sugar.

    A side note is that we have entered a terminal age of sweetener war insanity now that some companies are touting that they use the healthy sucrose instead of that killer fructose. And people go for it! Financial interests tapping into people's believe that if they only do special things, they will live forever.

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  86. Resulting in..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People can now eat 4 times as much Nestle products without guilt, which will coincidentally sell for 4 times as much as the original products.
    Win - Win for Nestle.

  87. Imho too sweet and lacking vanilla by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    I prefer the american versions of Kit Kat, Reese, etc because they taste more chocolatey somehow and less sweet. I visited family in Canada and tried some Hershey bars there, too overly sweet and missing vanilla... I also tried Cadbury and found that to be too sweet again, and also lacking that vanilla twist. I brought some real Hershey bars more recently and everyone agreed it was much better! Some said it's what Hershey Kisses used to taste like in Canada until they started making them different (presumably to be cheaper), so I tried Canada Kisses and yeah, again missing the vanilla and too sweet.

    I do like coffee crisp though which we don't have, but that's about it.

  88. So why did it take Nestle so long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One thing I'm wondering then is why it took Nestle so long to figure out what everyone else already knows.... Are there no chefs or engineers working there?

  89. Re: Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    combined with sucralose

    Sucralose is quite possibly one of the most disgusting things I've ever tasted. It makes things taste sort of like they've been overwhelmed with a massive pile of chalk dust and icing sugar, then left out in the sun to rot for a few days. No idea why people think putting that crap in their mouths is a good idea.

  90. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    AFAICT, different people react to different sweeteners differently. Some people think saccharin tastes just fine, for instance, while others think it tastes like shit. Stevia seems to be especially controversial; to me it tastes really nasty.

    It's not just sweeteners: some people like the taste of cilantro, but other people think it tastes like soap. This is actually controlled by a gene, which has been identified IIRC.

    I'm like you: I think all the artificial sweeteners taste terrible. However, I also think HFCS tastes terrible. Corn syrup (and its close relative HFCS) isn't just pure glucose and fructose; it still retains molecules from its corn source which affects its flavor. There's a reason that Coca-Cola made south of the border with real sugar has a certain popularity here: it really does taste different than the HFCS version. There's even a conspiracy theory that the whole "New Coke" thing in the 80s was a plot to switch the public from sugar to HFCS, since the "old Coke" was made with sugar, and then the "Coke Classic" was made with HFCS: by the time Coke Classic finally came out, everyone had forgotten what the old Coke tasted like and was just happy to have something similar-tasting back.

  91. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    What's insane about that? Fructose is a poison. Of course, sucrose has fructose in it (after it's broken down by sucrase enzyme in your body), but that's better than pure fructose. Fructose is like alcohol: it has to be processed by your liver. It's OK in fruits because the total amount of it isn't that much (whole fruits are mostly fiber), but in large, concentrated amounts it's not good for you. And of course, sucrose isn't "healthy" either, but it's better than pure fructose.

  92. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    No. What you're missing is that different people taste these things differently.

    As an example, what do you think of cilantro? Do you like it, or does it taste like soap to you? There's a genetic difference in people who think it tastes like soap, and those people are a significant minority of the population, not just a few mutants. It's very likely the same thing is going on with these artificial sweeteners.

  93. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

    I used to love Sierra Mist but then then they replaced some of the HFCS with stevia and now the soda tastes horrible. I sent back two glasses of it before asking for a different drink thinking that something was really wrong with the soda fountain, it was days later that someone mentioned to me that the formula had recently changed.

    Some people appear to be "lucky" in that they somehow can't tell the difference. To me all of the artificial sweeteners taste terrible compared to regular sugar and corn syrup (which I don't consider artificial as it's still made of actual sugar molecules).

    Stevia leaves a bitter metallic aftertaste in my mouth. Indeed, most sugar substitutes have a weird aftertaste. To combat this, on the rare occasion I drink soda, I will get a diet soda with a finger or two of the real deal (cane sugar if possible). I like the 10 calorie version of sodas more than the "zero" calorie ones.

  94. Should be easy for Nestle by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    It should be easy to do this without unacceptably affecting the taste of the chocolate, since Nestle chocolate is mediocre at best to begin with.

  95. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

    No. What you're missing is that different people taste these things differently.

    As an example, what do you think of cilantro? Do you like it, or does it taste like soap to you? There's a genetic difference in people who think it tastes like soap, and those people are a significant minority of the population, not just a few mutants. It's very likely the same thing is going on with these artificial sweeteners.

    I have the "super taster" gene. Raw broccoli florets are bitter (I love the stems raw and the florets cooked). Stevia has a bitter metallic taste. Cilantro tastes like soap to me.

  96. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

    I do. Lindt Excellence 85% FTW!

    My personal preference is 75-80% if plain. 85% is good with fruit, cheese, or salt.

  97. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    Perhaps because Splenda tastes nasty?

  98. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

    Yay, another chocolate snob. Dark chocolate is horribly bitter with a disgusting aftertaste that can only be washed away with bourbon.

    Maybe I'm weird, but I like white chocolate, milk chocolate, and dark chocolate. 75-80% is my personal preference because darker can be bitter unless paired with another flavoring (ever try it with extra sharp white cheddar?).

  99. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    That's interesting. I find all the non-sugar sweeteners to taste bad to varying degrees, but Stevia is the least bad of them all. Splenda is terrible, and Sweet 'n Low is even worse.

  100. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    There is no quicker way to render good food inedible than by adding cilantro, even in small amounts, to it.

  101. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by ranton · · Score: 1

    Same goes with chocolate.

    But I don't want chocolate. Your reasoning is unsound.

    Which is why the other AC questioned your humanity. I'm not sure the no true Scotsman fallacy applies to monsters who don't like chocolate. ;-)

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  102. Re: Why not just use Splenda? by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    Yep. You can also blend aspartame and AceK (and in fact, that was what Pepsi did with first-generation Pepsi ONE, now reintroduced as "Diet Pepsi with aspartame"), but then you end up with a worse shelf life than aspartame alone.

    Basically, aspartame breaks down over time, loses its sweetness, and eventually decays further into formaldehyde. I'm not sure what AceK breaks down into, but its half-life is comparable to aspartame's.

    The main advantage of sucralose + AceK over aspartame + aceK is that aceK's taste-neutralization lasts longer than its sweetness. So, with sucralose + aceK, Pepsi can use enough Splenda to maintain acceptable sweetness long after the aceK has started breaking down, and use the aceK purely for taste-neutralization (nobody really minds if it's "too sweet" when fresh). With aspartame + aceK, you still get the flavor-smoothing effect, but after 3-6 months, it tastes almost as bad as pure decayed aspartame.

    Tip: if you have diet soda that's ~3 to 12 months old, try adding a packet or two of aspartame or sucralose per 12oz before drinking... assuming you didn't store it in a hot Florida garage (causing more formaldehyde), this trick can resurrect an otherwise-ruined can/bottle of diet soda.

  103. Re:Good dark chocolate does not contain sugar at a by laie_techie · · Score: 1

    you can use honey or orange concentrate, or whatever. This so called "Chocolate obsession" of some people is *imho* more or less a sugar obsession.

    I hate to break it to you, but all those things also have sugar in them, just not table sugar.

  104. I wonder if this will have interesting side effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like Olestra.

  105. M&M: Melt in your mouth not in your hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nestle: Melts in your mouth, hands, wrapping, on the shelf, in the truck... Actually, by the time you taste it, it's like 10 year-old molten chocolate mixed with paper and foil.

  106. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

    Actually, the Mayas and Aztecs didn't really eat chocolate. They made a drink out of cocoa; solid chocolate bars were developed in 1847's Great Britain. Milk chocolate and the modern creamy texture were both developed in Switzerland in 1875 and 1879, respectively. Solid chocolate only became popular after that; the original bars were gritty and bitter (and if you've ever get the chance to try unconched chocolate you'll understand why nobody wanted that shit).

    Oh, and you forgot about the Olmecs who first cultivated cocoa well before the Mayas and Aztecs were relevant.

    (BTW, I recommend visiting a chocolate museum if you get the chance, especially if you can get a guided tour. Interesting stuff. The Imhoff Chocolate Museum in Cologne is pretty good.)

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  107. Unlike Margarine by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    Hopefully, unlike substituting margarine for butter, the new process doesn't create something so horribly unhealthy we might as well just eaten the sugar....

  108. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You contract your gluteus buttus coccyx muscle. Obviously!

  109. Thanks :) by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 1

    Thanks :)

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  110. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

    With a 1 horsepower burst of gas!

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  111. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    What's insane about that? Fructose is a poison.

    The insane part is its like arguing that arsenic is better for you than lead.

    I just love it when someone brags about only drinking Mexican Coca Cola like they are all concerned about healthy eating.

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  112. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    How about artificial sweeteners (stevia isn't artificial to my knowledge, it comes from some plant in South America I think)? Saccharin, aspartame, sucralose?

    I think I might have that gene too; cilantro seems to taste a little soapy, and I really have stevia. I like broccoli though, but only steamed like in Chinese food.

  113. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    And I find you quite boring.

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  114. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a zinger.

  115. This is just promo, not science by xgeorgio · · Score: 1

    Great. Can now Nestle do the same with cocoa, so that children in Africa do not have to work 16 hours daily for $2 in order for the company to make the chocolate? Google's AI promos are plain stupid, but this is gross. This science-for-marketing thing has gone too far.

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  116. What About Cacao and Other Ingredients? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they say anything about the amount of cacao, or other ingredients, they will be removing along with the sugar?

    If you just reduce the overall portion size by 40%, you will be reducing the sugar content by 40%, too. That may sound cynical, but given the way marketers think, it's an entirely reasonable possibility. They could just be taking a page from Toblerone's playbook.

  117. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by cwsumner · · Score: 1

    It never ceases to amaze me how different people can be from each other. Something that tastes good to some people tastes awful to others. For you, Splenda "doesn't taste like sugar", yet for me it is the only artificial sweetener I will use because it takes just like sugar (to me). ...

    That's true, even the same person's tastes can change over time, sometimes just a few minutes is enough.

    To me "Splenda" tases like used motor oil and sugar is almost as bad, maybe because I eat so little of it now.

    Artificial sweetners also tend to upset my stomach. It seems to be related to type 2 diabetes. So be careful giving stuff with artificial sweetners to anyone who has that...

  118. Always a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll find out years from now it does something terrible to us. Usually cancer. Really hard to beat Mother Nature. Just eat what she gives you and stop with all the processed crap.

    Well of course unless you don't care about yourself. Go ahead, eat up. Get as big as a house. It's gluttony. Eat more, less nutrition, die early.

  119. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

    Dark chocolate is horribly bitter with a disgusting aftertaste that can only be washed away with bourbon.

    I'm guessing you're also the kind of person who can only drink coffee that's loaded up with flavourings and sweeteners to make it not taste like coffee any more.

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  120. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

    How about artificial sweeteners (stevia isn't artificial to my knowledge, it comes from some plant in South America I think)? Saccharin, aspartame, sucralose?

    Artificial sweeteners in general leave a bad aftertaste. I can mostly overcome that by adding a little real sugar. That's why I like the 10 calorie sodas more than the so-called zero calorie ones.