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Let me toss in. That prices are so screwed up, that even leftwing sites like Huffington Post and the CBC are talking about it. And these prices are directly related to "green energy" plans and policies. That there are ~600k people who are in arrears 4mo or more. The largest hydro company in Ontario has 1.3m customers and serves 75% of the province to put that in perspective. That it's driving businesses out of the province to anywhere else that's cheaper.

"Regardless, she was dressed in a short skirt and top" - and should have expected what happened next.

In the USofA, he would've wound up doin' hard time in the big house.

Are you kidding me? Brock Turner raped an unconscious woman, claimed the sex was consensual (how can you consent if you're passed out), his father said he will "pay a high price for 20 minutes of action", and he spent 3 months in the county jail, not a state or federal prison.

The 1% don't live under the same rules as you or I.

Transport companies always leave the loading doors on empty trailers unlocked so that thieves don't cause damage breaking into them. There's a reason for that.

Most kids today wouldn't know how to unlock the steering wheel anyway without a key, so it's not like they can steal the car if you leave it unlocked - and a pro will just buy a device online (watch the first 17 minutes - you'll see homebrew hardware, where to buy the hardware ready made, interviews with hackers and police and a car manufacturer) that lets you open pretty much any car - including the high end models - by reprogramming the car's computer to accept a new key, and just drive away. CBC Marketplace showed how easy it is to do, so your locks are only there to discourage the least motivated., And a $5 device to unlock car doors if you just want to steal a laptop on the front seat.

All your locks are belong to us!

Transport companies always leave the loading doors on empty trailers unlocked so that thieves don't cause damage breaking into them. There's a reason for that.

Most kids today wouldn't know how to unlock the steering wheel anyway without a key, so it's not like they can steal the car if you leave it unlocked - and a pro will just buy a device online (watch the first 17 minutes - you'll see homebrew hardware, where to buy the hardware ready made, interviews with hackers and police and a car manufacturer) that lets you open pretty much any car - including the high end models - by reprogramming the car's computer to accept a new key, and just drive away. CBC Marketplace showed how easy it is to do, so your locks are only there to discourage the least motivated., And a $5 device to unlock car doors if you just want to steal a laptop on the front seat.

All your locks are belong to us!

Didn't realize this was Canada. The same structure applies there however: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

Sorry, but I'm in a really pissy mood with myself today again trying to figure out why I don't just kill myself, and I guess it shows. Today's farmer is not doing "a life of working out and struggles, just to be dead by 40." The average age of a farmer is now 58. That's not the age they die at, it's their average age. Here's a story about an guy who dug his own grave just because

Kickham is also hoping that his family will remember him as a man with a good sense of humour.

"The grandchildren will know that their grandfather dug his own grave with his own backhoe at the age of 90. So that'll be something for them to carry around, won't it?"

This guy dug his own grave, and he's well over the average age of expectancy. Sun damage to skin just doesn't equate to overall health.

Jacking up rates, putting in resolution caps, you'll pay them one way or another. Here'sanother one that made the news yesterday, coming into effect in less than 2 weeks.

I realize fact finding is hard in the modern age of the Internet, but the leaders of both Mexico and Canada both stated that they are willing to renegotiate NAFTA with the Trump administration. If they don't find common ground, the treaty dies. We have plenty of history of this scenario playing out with various results (some positive, some negative).

Assuming the agreements are favorable to the US and your allegation that Congress would not approve are true, I expect we will see a large change in Congress in the next election.

If your point was that Trump is not a dictator I would agree, but if that was your point it was extremely poor in representation.

Since you refuse to look at the evidence for yourself, the eight major investigations that cleared CRU of any scientific misconduct include:

  - House of Commons Science and Technology Committee: "the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact"

  - Independent Climate Change Review: "we find that their rigour and honesty as scientists are not in doubt."

  - International Science Assessment Panel: "We found absolutely no evidence of impropriety whatsoever"

  - Pennsylvania State University first panel and second panel: "Dr. Michael E. Mann did not engage in, nor did he participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions that seriously deviated from accepted practices within the academic community"

  - United States Environmental Protection Agency: CRU critics came to "faulty scientific conclusions" and "resorted to hyperbole."

  - Department of Commerce: "We did not find any evidence that NOAA inappropriately manipulated data or failed to adhere to appropriate peer review procedures"

- National Science Foundation: "We found no basis to conclude that the emails were evidence of research misconduct or that they pointed to such evidence."

Another fun bit from Canada. This one has to do with margarine. Those consumer protection laws are exceptionally useful, many of them up here also cover all contracts. And ensure that things like software aren't licenses, but considered an "owned product" much like a physical purchase. I know that many US states are finally catching up, but here in Canada they exist because many companies up here have in the past been far worse then American companies. An example back oh a decade or more ago Rogers(think Comcast for Americans), turned around and added new channels to customers without permission. The kicker? They also billed those customers for the channels without any notification. This led to consumer protection laws being further strengthened, and Rogers losing numerous court cases. Then being fined, and having to retroactively either pay that money back to people who cancelled or discount them directly the amount on their bills.

A Canadian invented a way to almost completely eliminate cow farts

Scientist discovers particular seaweed reduces methane to nearly zero in cow burps, farts

A P.E.I. farmer has helped lead to a researcher's discovery of an unlikely weapon in the battle against global warming: a seaweed that nearly eliminates the destructive methane content of cow burps and farts.

Joe Dorgan began feeding his cattle seaweed from nearby beaches more than a decade ago as a way to cut costs on his farm in Seacow Pond. He was so impressed with the improvements he saw in his herd, he decided to turn the seaweed into a product.

"There's a mixture of Irish moss, rockweed and kelp, and just going to waste," he said. "And I knew it was good because years ago, our ancestors, that's what they done their business with."

Then researcher Rob Kinley caught wind of it.

The agricultural scientist, then at Dalhousie University, helped test Dorgan's seaweed mix, and discovered it reduced the methane in the cows' burps and farts by about 20 per cent.

Kinley knew he was on to something, so he did further testing with 30 to 40 other seaweeds. That led him to a red seaweed Asparagopsis taxiformis he says reduces methane in cows burps and farts to almost nothing.

"I was testing one day a series of samples when all of a sudden it looked like my instruments were having problems, and I wasn't able to see emissions from one particular sample," he said. "So I did it over and over again and lo and behold the methane emissions were eliminated.

They'd be better off completely rebranding themselves so no one knows they're RIM/Blackberry. If I knew a car I was about to buy had Blackberry software in it, I wouldnt buy it, because I know it'd be unsupported very soon.

I'm sure that however it's branded, it will have the enthusiastic support of LEO's everywhere. Yes, governments would just love it if the software in self-driving vehicles came from a company with a proven track record of literally 'handing over the keys' to authorities.

Before it was droughts, floods, hurricanes

You forgot tornadoes, massive forest fires and heat deaths out of your list of things that have already happened.

no arctic ice

It's a work in progress.

no snow in England or New York

Warmer temperatures mean more moisture in the air, which contributes to some of the 30" snowstorms that New England has had over the last few years.

mass extinctions, 100 meter sea level rise, mass starvation worldwide, point of no return, end of the world.

So which movies are you basing your idea of what scientists have actually said? Day After Tomorrow? Because otherwise, that's just a pantload of hysterical denialist straw men.

People living under "green energy" recoil in horror as energy prices go through the roof due to FiT programs. Progressives continue to wonder why all those people don't vote for them and, tell their friends that they know what's best for everyone.

People living under "green energy" recoil in horror as energy prices go through the roof due to FiT programs. Progressives continue to wonder why all those people don't vote for them and, tell their friends that they know what's best for everyone.

You are listing ages old US installations.

No idea why they are such expensive.

New installations in Germany are cheaper than nuclear since years. And Germany is not a particular good country for either wind (except the coast) or solar.

Thanks for showing that you're nothing but a shill pushing an agenda. Those are "brand new CANADIAN" installations.

The fact that you don't understand why, explains a lot. I know why, because of FIT programs. These are exactly the same programs that cause electricity prices to skyrocket in Germany, Greece, UK, Norway, Sweden. The fact that you don't understand that Ontario generate more electricity then it uses, and consumers are charged an outrageous amount to off-set the costs of green energy is the problem. You're trying to turn around and claim that green energy isn't the reason that it's driving electricity rates through the roof. When not only the energy producers say so, but the leftist pro-green energy media and government itself says so.

You are listing ages old US installations.

No idea why they are such expensive.

New installations in Germany are cheaper than nuclear since years. And Germany is not a particular good country for either wind (except the coast) or solar.

Thanks for showing that you're nothing but a shill pushing an agenda. Those are "brand new CANADIAN" installations.

The fact that you don't understand why, explains a lot. I know why, because of FIT programs. These are exactly the same programs that cause electricity prices to skyrocket in Germany, Greece, UK, Norway, Sweden. The fact that you don't understand that Ontario generate more electricity then it uses, and consumers are charged an outrageous amount to off-set the costs of green energy is the problem. You're trying to turn around and claim that green energy isn't the reason that it's driving electricity rates through the roof. When not only the energy producers say so, but the leftist pro-green energy media and government itself says so.

Portland to raise taxes on companies where CEO earns 100 times what workers do

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/portland-ceo-pay-1.3886955

Come On Goog, Do The Right Thing

Right, the US has the best in everything.

Speak about an already-settled worldview.

It should be blindingly obvious that medicine is far too large a field, to have all the best experts on everything concentrated in just one country.

Sometimes even a country like Cuba, for instance, produces research in one area that is unmatched:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/...

The only reason this problem exists is because people will pay more than the face value for tickets.

True, but thats not going to happen and it just tells us the original tickets are priced below market value. The seller should have some right to decide what their consumers pay, but they don't have control as they should. You could argue the sellers should jack up the prices so much that there was no market margin left for scalpers as well, but they don't want to price certain demographics out of their market for sustainability reasons.

The most egregious case I know of is the Tragically Hip final concert tour, where the lead singer was terminally Ill and it was the last chance to see them. Google for some of the stories and the national outrage in Canada. (one link below). Knowing they would never see this band perform again made it a sellers market, the scalping really put a black mark on what was a national event. (If you aren't aware, the Hip was HUGE for many years and Canada, but surprisingly less so elsewhere)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/busines...

In her first appearance as the House leader, Chagger seemed excited, repeating her commitments to open government and transparency but offering few answers on what she would specifically bring to the role.

And let's not forget that all the junior positions went to women. Tokenism is the exact opposite of equality.

By now, anyone still falling for such cheap PR stunts and gimmicks?

Yep. Pretty much everyone is. It's like the Cons haven't figured out that their chicken-little politics isn't working anymore. Keep it cooky cons, and get comfy in opposition. :)

Liberals hold on to honeymoon gains in national polls
Justin Trudeau's Liberals continue to enjoy more support today than they did in the 2015 federal election and have yet to see their poll numbers take a negative turn.
...
The Conservatives are down almost uniformly in most parts of Canada since the election. They have slipped 3.1 points in Alberta, 3.5 points in both Ontario and Quebec, 3.6 points in B.C. and 4.4 points in Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

this is pretty funny: "Intern Exploited for 35 years - CBC" - http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/...

"This is that" is a satire news radio show for those who don't pick up on it when listening.

Article source, the CBC.

"Steyn, at the moment, is effectively being tried, by a quasi-judicial panel in Vancouver, for insulting Islam. ...
Currently, it is hearing a complaint about Steyn's book from Mohamed Elmasry, head of the Canadian Islamic Congress."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/f...

Do you live in Ontario? Have your electricity rates gone up?

Ontariowians are not happy

But the self-righteousness, virtue-signalling and smug quotients are at an all-time record high.

IOW: absent emergencies, governments should adjust incentives, and gently.

I agree completely. Governments are currently taking a top down approach where they pick the winners (feed in tariffs for solar/government investment in emerging technologies/etc) and losers (efficiency standards/banning coal/etc). Government actions will never be as efficient as market driven solutions. Surprisingly even most of the candidates running for the Canadian federal Conservative Party leadership are advocating "big government" solutions.

Only the Conservative leadership candidate Michael Chong is advocating for a market driven solution: "We have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to both lower income taxes and clean up our environment through the pricing of carbon," Chong said Wednesday at a news conference on Parliament Hill.

"It works. BC implemented and now has the fastest growing economy, the lowest income taxes in Canada, and they have reduced emissions"

If you haven't heard this one you might find it amusing: http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thisis...

Sooner or later, I think we ought to have bidets

"This is That" comedy news:

Estevan, Saskatchewan is a small prairie town filled with hard working people who appreciate their neighbours and take pride in their community. Yet beneath the surface of this idyllic town lies conflict; and that conflict centres on Tom Babcock and his decision to start selling bidets in his plumbing shop.

"People around here are scared of these bidets because they don't understand them." - Tom Babcock, Babcock Plumbing

"Some folks don't like change, but I don't care, Estevan now has bidets and people should get used to it," says Babcock.

In this documentary we find out more about how a piece of plumbing designed for washing the buttocks can cause so much turmoil in a community.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thisis...

Trump is saying China is manipulating it's currency rate, keeping is low

China is manipulating it's currency rates. It's been well known in the forex community for years, and they've instituted policies that directly depreciate the currency. Japan does the same thing, it's only avoided scrutiny because the manipulated rate puts it almost on par against the US. "Almost" and "not quite" have a lot of meaning in the forex game. S.Korea has much bigger problems right now, like the entire government being so fucked up that there are mass protests against it. And evidence that it was being directly controlled by a group of people in the shadows who weren't in the government. That's not even touching on the really weird shit like the rumors that have been floating around that the ferry sinking with the kids on it a while back was deliberately caused as a human sacrifice for the "8 goddesses".

So this is the same place that paid $20,000 to decrypt a malware attack that locked down its email and AD infrastructure... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/university-calgary-ransomware-cyberattack-1.3620979

I doubt they've learned much about how to operate a network at this rate.

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is funded by the taxpayers (at least partially). They post their podcasts on their website without authentication or any special effort needed to access the raw mp4/3 files. In addition to creating RSS feeds. For example: Under the Influence is a great informative podcast about marketing history, challenges, and techniques.

The previous prime minister Stephen Harper appointed the new board for the CBC, and now that the conservatives are out of power their mandate has become destruction instead of control.

An example:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-donald-trump-groping-allegations-1.3834612

Jan Wong has violated section 319(2) of the Criminal Code of Canada by publishing this. (wilful promotion of hate against an identifiable group) Pre-Harper, the CBC would never have published such garbage.

The CBC has become very Fox Newsish. Radio survives mostly unscathed but the web and tv properties have been on a steady decline.

I see your article and raise you another.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

There are some benefits to DST, but the preponderance of medical and energy policy research I've seen shows that DST has a net negative effect.

We have also been living with DST so long, that I'd wager that most businesses have adjusted their hours to open later than they would have otherwise, so the extra hour of daylight after work has effectively been nullified. I have not been able to find a good source of numbers for business opening/closing times before DST was implemented, but according to Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/science/daylight.asp) "far fewer businesses stayed open into the later evening hours, so most people tended to rise and retire earlier than they do today, negating the practicality of shifting an hour's worth of daylight away from early morning." You can't fool the body with a clock change alone. People's circadian rhythms follow light, not a clock. I suspect that a fair portion of the reason that people stay up "later" these days is that the clocks are wrong.

If Ben Franklin wanted to have more daylight, he should have just set his own alarm clock ahead and left the rest of us the hell alone!

Depends on the vehicle, and perhaps the country.

The cheaper Toyota/Honda models are generally quite reliable. Ford's, not so much

Having driving a Focus for work, it felt like a rickshaw after 80,000km whereas my Corolla was going on 150,000 and still rode fairly smooth

If anyone is interested, here's the link to the actual story: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

Unfortunately, installing sprinklers opens you up for other liablities.
 
Basic jist: house with sprinkler system was vacated for a few days. Heat failed, sprinkler pipes froze, massive water damage resulted. Insurance denies claim because sprinkler system should have been turned off while house was vacated. Ok fine, except that disabling a sprinkler system would have been a violation of the fire code. So had they done that and the house burned down, they would have been denied the fire claim.
 
Obviously still better than a dead family.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

"The force will keep the numbers on file until the murder is solved, officers said at a news conference on Wednesday.

Investigators will also consider calling the numbers of people who don't respond voluntarily, but they would be required to obtain another court order to do so."

Or just take the money you would have spent building all of those plants deploying solar and wind all over the place. Problem solved in far less time.

Except for the pesky problems of storage, transmission, capacity, and effects on the environment.

The sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow at the right times in all the right places. There isn't enough acreage to lay solar farms to meet our energy needs without affecting the ecosystem, there is no way to efficiently get the energy from point A to point B when they are long distances apart, and lets not forget about how bird kills will affect the bird population if we put wind farms everywhere.

One technology that can be added to the mix is tidal power. Trials are underway in an effort to tap tidal flows to create electricity. But there are those that are concerned that Tidal generators will harm the marine ecosystem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

Each of these technologies are part of the future mix of energy sources, but they all have limitations. We still will need power plants. Do we continue to send CO2 into the atmosphere or do we realize that modern nuclear power can be a part of an overall mix of power sources?

When I'm out hiking in the back country where there is wildlife that can and will kill you. You could always be in the situation of this woman in Canada, stalked by a wolf for 12 hours, only saved because she ran across a bear with a cub while being stalked...

'I was in trouble': Beer can and bears save mushroom picker from hungry wolf

From the story:

'Barnaby is still kicking herself for not bringing her gun into the bush, calling it a "huge mistake."'

So..yeah, that's a pretty damn good case for having a "consumer" firearm.

I think that was for tax and funky accounting purposes though, and less for weird trademark shenanigans

Before they were bought by AMD, ATI was a Canadian company located in the suburbs of Toronto.

Canada has tax treaties with many countries, including Barbados. There are some interesting legal tax schemes as a result:

http://canadian-lawyers.ca/Und...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/busines...

Did ATI do this? I dunno, but since you mentioned Barbados...

Sadly it's not just Americans either. This started up in Canada a few months ago. The fact that people were getting duped was all over the news, and in some publicized cases they actually got a person to do it multiple times.

Calgarian defrauded $20K in CRA scam involving iTunes gift cards
iTunes twist on phone scam costing N.L. seniors thousands, warn police
44 victims bilked out of more than $140,000 in June and July
Listowel, Ont., woman paid CRA fraudsters with iTunes cards
Canada Revenue Agency does not demand payment in iTunes cards, warns RCMP

Sadly it's not just Americans either. This started up in Canada a few months ago. The fact that people were getting duped was all over the news, and in some publicized cases they actually got a person to do it multiple times.

Calgarian defrauded $20K in CRA scam involving iTunes gift cards
iTunes twist on phone scam costing N.L. seniors thousands, warn police
44 victims bilked out of more than $140,000 in June and July
Listowel, Ont., woman paid CRA fraudsters with iTunes cards
Canada Revenue Agency does not demand payment in iTunes cards, warns RCMP

Sadly it's not just Americans either. This started up in Canada a few months ago. The fact that people were getting duped was all over the news, and in some publicized cases they actually got a person to do it multiple times.

Calgarian defrauded $20K in CRA scam involving iTunes gift cards
iTunes twist on phone scam costing N.L. seniors thousands, warn police
44 victims bilked out of more than $140,000 in June and July
Listowel, Ont., woman paid CRA fraudsters with iTunes cards
Canada Revenue Agency does not demand payment in iTunes cards, warns RCMP

Sadly it's not just Americans either. This started up in Canada a few months ago. The fact that people were getting duped was all over the news, and in some publicized cases they actually got a person to do it multiple times.

Calgarian defrauded $20K in CRA scam involving iTunes gift cards
iTunes twist on phone scam costing N.L. seniors thousands, warn police
44 victims bilked out of more than $140,000 in June and July
Listowel, Ont., woman paid CRA fraudsters with iTunes cards
Canada Revenue Agency does not demand payment in iTunes cards, warns RCMP

Sadly it's not just Americans either. This started up in Canada a few months ago. The fact that people were getting duped was all over the news, and in some publicized cases they actually got a person to do it multiple times.

Calgarian defrauded $20K in CRA scam involving iTunes gift cards
iTunes twist on phone scam costing N.L. seniors thousands, warn police
44 victims bilked out of more than $140,000 in June and July
Listowel, Ont., woman paid CRA fraudsters with iTunes cards
Canada Revenue Agency does not demand payment in iTunes cards, warns RCMP

I live in the South near the U.S border in a relatively small community. Recently we were told that we are getting fibre. This is good for the 4,000 people who live IN the community but yet less than 0.5mi down the road from where I live the only viable option is Satellite or some other form of P2P connection. Infrastructure could easily push to these areas but yet they chose not to and leave a chunk of people unable to get any sort of decent connection. No DSL, Cable, or fibre. Heck I can get faster speeds on my LTE device than my friend down the road gets on his crappy satellite connection (and I get more Gigs too). There were attempts to lay fibre up north in Canada but teams gave up and contracts expire due to expense, brutal working conditions, and narrow time frames to work in. I can't imagine its easy to push fibre through permafrost or muskeg. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

I live in the South near the U.S border in a relatively small community. Recently we were told that we are getting fibre. This is good for the 4,000 people who live IN the community but yet less than 0.5mi down the road from where I live the only viable option is Satellite or some other form of P2P connection. Infrastructure could easily push to these areas but yet they chose not to and leave a chunk of people unable to get any sort of decent connection. No DSL, Cable, or fibre. Heck I can get faster speeds on my LTE device than my friend down the road gets on his crappy satellite connection (and I get more Gigs too). There were attempts to lay fibre up north in Canada but teams gave up and contracts expire due to expense, brutal working conditions, and narrow time frames to work in. I can't imagine its easy to push fibre through permafrost or muskeg. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

The problem, the consultants found, was that feasibility studies were often badly outdated by the time the department got around to approving projects, sometimes years later. And delays in funding approval meant that existing infrastructure on reserves deteriorated, further raising costs.

Oh of course Harper loves free speech
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technol...

Climate science is entirely falsifiable - it just hasn't been falsified despite all the fortunes spent on trying to do so. Nobody has yet managed to do a real experiment that showed CO2 NOT acting as a greenhouse gas (that would falsify it). Nobody has yet found a single shred of evidence that disproves the theory - while there are thousands of independent sources of evidence that all support it, and nobody has yet come up with a better explanation for the observations than that offered by climate change theory.
Any of these things would:
1) Falsify the theory
2) Win you a nobel prize
3) Guarantee you tenure and an endless supply of grant money for the rest of your life at any academic institution of your choosing.

Basically EVERY incentive is to disprove climate change.

The failure of those trying to actually falsify something does not imply it is not falsifiable. It implies the theory is almost certainly correct.

At this stage, the most single most tested scientific theory in the history of science is so unlikely to be false - that we will almost certainly never see it replaced, modified and gradually improved - yes, replaced probably not. At least not for the next several centuries. Because at this point the only thing that could do so is an observation that actually does not fit the theory. It took 500 years for technology to give us a measuring device that could pick up the things that didn't quite follow Newton, and I'd say it will take about twice that long before something fundamentally alters climate science.

If you set the bar at CO2 causing warming, humans raising CO2 levels and things getting warmer, you are right about those being well established. We aren't gonna upset or falsify that anytime soon.

News flash, policy and behaviour changes aren't really driven by any of those points. What's the severity of the future we face is the question. On that we have two examples below:
1.The IPCC worst case scenario, with 95% confidence levels cited sea level rise relative to today of no more than 3ft by 2100
2.Adam Fenech, a Nobel Prize-winning climate scientist and the director of the Climate Research Lab at the University of Prince Edward Island:"A lot of the most recent science is telling us it could rise as much as three metres during that time," says Fenech. "Probably in about 50 years, with a three-metre increase, we'd probably lose about half the island under water completely."

So we have a Nobel winning committee declaring no more than 3 feet in 100 years, and a Nodel winning research director predicting 3 metres in 50 years. One of these are gonna be falsified, and the scope of difference in their predictions makes an outrageous difference to what our responses should be.

downvoted as over rated, with zero votes with a post that consists virtually nothing more than 2 statements of fact backed with a link to an external quote of a highly credentialed scientist. Thanks for the reminder why I so rarely bother posting anything here anymore.