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I really dont know. Since he's not from Texas.

Hang with me for a little while, this may seem disjointed -- but the parent posting actually has far more to teach us about Wikipedia and the nature of internet research than the actual article does. So here are a few observations that might bring my response to this post into context:

A couple days ago I got into a long debate with a PhD candidate/teaching assistant about how to teach an introductory college course on sourcing and reliance on internet materials in an introductory research course. Having taught something similar, I was surprised when she suggested that there is little (perhaps even nothing?) on the internet that can be reliably cited to. Or, to give her more credit (the actual argument was far more nuanced... or at least it seemed so after a couple of beers), her point is that there is always a more authoritative source available than the internet. And since students should be required to cite the most authoritative source they can find, it is extremely rare that the internet copy of a source should be cited to. Citing to the internet, in her opinion, is a crutch for citing to "real" paper publications (or even proprietary internet databases, CD-ROM compilations, etc.)

So while I clicked on the article more out of amusement value then anything else, the parent poster provides an awesome example of the strengths and weaknesses of both arguments. Coming into this thread, I'd heard of the "Children's Crusade" before, but it was just a historical tidbit that I'd picked up somewhere and really knew nothing about.

I was intrigued by the parent post's rather categorical dismissal of two of the three explanations -- and not know what those explanations were -- I clicked through and read the article.

The first paragraph of the article states that "Several conflicting accounts of this event exist, and the facts of the situation continue to be a subject of debate among historians."

Okay. So from the very beginning we know we are dealing with an "event" where the facts are not entirely clear. But scanning the rest of the article, it seems clear that whatever happened happened in the early 13th century.

The first two versions are then laid out. It's a real tear jerker -- young children coming together in a spontaneous uprising to fight the forces of evil -- who then meet a gruesome end. (Sound familiar?.) And it's this version of the story that this painter was thinking about when he put ink-to-canvas or what Kurt Vonnegut was thinking when he subtitled Slaughterhouse-Five "Or, the Children's Crusade, a Duty-Dance with Death", or why the term was incorporated into the title of the classic submarine movie Das Boot or why the incomparable Neil Gainman used it as a title for one of his comics.

History is not just comprised of facts. Myths and legands sometimes have a far greater impact on our physche than do Cold Hard Facts. This is a perfect example. This significance of the Children's Crusade is not whether it actually ever happened. The historical "fact" is an interesting academic question that makes for a fun historical sluething exercise.

So, back to the article. After depicting the historically and culturally significant version of the Children's Crusade, the article goes on to say "Some historians speculate that the entire crusade is fiction, as there is no real evidence that any such event occurred, in the 13th or in any other century. Research done in the early 1980s indicates that the Children's Crusade began as a misinterpretation of a 1212 religious movement among the landless poor...

Blog for America is the best! Go to google, type "america president 2004" and hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button.

its in their best interest to charge you a tax for doing nothing.

Well, this certainly is an issue to be evaluated. Consider the following activities:

- volunteer work: This deprives the government of rightful tax funds as individuals and organizations conspire to provided services often in competition with the government. Better to have you work an extra 20 hours weekly at your job, apply a tax and then have the government provide those charitable services. Not only is volunteerism cheating the government from rightful funds, but it's depriving them of applying all those helpful "strings" and conditions to the money and resources provided to the needy.

- unemployment: What are you unemployed bums doing? Not paying taxes, for certain, if you've had your unemployment benefits lapse. This is shameful citizenship and it needs to be dealt with per firm, forceful action. Unemployed individuals should be taxed $10/hour for every hour under 40 they do not work. This would affect the underemployed as well and motivate them to take that extra gas station or telemarketing job.

You people need to understand that your government has costs. Paying large Senate salaries to Senators who are too busy to show up for work, sending billions of pork to wealthy incumbant telephone companies under the guise of "providing broadband" (new broadband providers meeting the challenge need not apply per the rules - you don't return enough funds to your Congresspersons wallet), etc. all take lots of cash, and if you fools wanna prevent further increases in the deficit, you're gonna have to pay for that free time.

Howard Dean spoke about bringing high-speed access to rural areas to make them part of the "Information Economy" as early as July of 2003.

http://www.deanforamerica.com/NAN/

The difference is that Dean had smart people advising him on the subject.

No kidding.

Definition of troll:Troll. Dont accuse someone of doing something you dont understand.

I know this is a terrible source, but if any of it had been untrue then it would have been all over the press. In it he states quite clearly that there were no terrorist connections in Iraq. And also no WMD. Look at the numbers. Accusations of tons of rockets by Romsfeld.

October 5, 2002 CIA letter to Congress does not support the White House's view that Iraq presents an immediate threat to America. (Knight-Ridder 10/05/02)

October 2002 Steven Hadley, Deputy National Security Advisor receives two memos from the CIA and a phone call from agency Director George Tenet raising objections to an allegation that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium ore from Africa to use in building nuclear weapons. Both memos are also sent to chief speechwriter Michael Gerson and one is sent to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. (CNN.com, 7/23/03)

Also from source specifically debating my point.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." George W. Bush, March 13, 2002

Source of above Enjoy.

Howard Dean for President

bush has raised $170 million for his primary - where he's unopposed. and then under federal election law he can raise that money again in september when he's nominated (that's why the gop convention is so late this year - plus the convention will be free coverage).

your only chance is dean but it seems like the dems are determined to eat their own. saw another dnc talking head abusing dean on fox news today.

but it's likely bush will win, and the gop will extend its control of the house and senate. i expect a fillibuster-proof majority in the senate and maybe the house. america can look forward to economic panics ala argentina, further erosion of civil rights, more religious extremists on the bench, more war, more terrorist attacks, less jobs, more gov't and a flight of foreign capital.

i'm sure i'll get marked as a troll, but if bush wins in '04, i suggest people bookmark this comment and see how prophetic it is in 2008.

The first thing we have to determine is whether there is intelligent life on earth. Only after that can we start speculating about the rest of the universe.

I've been wondering about IF there was intelligent life on Earth ever since seeing a Howard Dean speech

I hear you Comrade!

Once we have Our Guy in the White House, we can put a stop to all this needless energy wasting. We'll be able to tell folks what kinds of cars they can drive! Just think of it, finally, we'll have control!

I know it's just dreaming, but maybe soon we won't just tell folks what kinds of cars they can drive. Maybe we could even have more people working for the government, after all, our new social programs will require a lot of good, hard-working people to carry out our Plan. We can always pass laws that say folks must work for the Government for a few years. No harm in that!

Once we get all that done, we can do away with all the silly Religion in this country. Folks just shouldn't be albe to decide what Religion to practice. I mean, there's only One God, right? It's just too important of a decision to let ordinary folks have a say. Why not just put an end to all the violence and make everyone belive in One God? Think of it, friend, no more senseless killing because of those with different beliefs!

Okay, I'll stop now because I'm sounding like a wide-eyed freshman. But you get the picture!

-Lennie

Dean's improbable sprint to internet cash-and-glory will only get him so far. And then the incredibly labor intensive huge Democratic machine will have to take over.

If you look at Dean's main Website and official blog you'll notice that it's not just fundraising that's going on. There are 150,000 people involved in Dean Meetups and thousands more have already sent over 100,000 handwritten letters to voters in New Hampsire and Iowa. Plus there are scores of independent websites discussing and promoting Dean from various perspectives. He's got more troops on the ground than the Democratic Party - particularly if you count the union troops he's already recruited as his and not the Democrats', per se.

What Dean's doing isn't taking over the "Left Wing" or even the Democratic Party so much as it is taking over the middle of the road. He's steamrolling right down the center with a good dose of traditional American common sense (although his invocation of Thomas Paine is a bit lame, at least it's an error in the right direction). He's redefining what the center of the road means.

And this whole thing about his - and his fans' - "anger" is just off the point. George W. is an idiot, and he's calling the Emperor naked and saying clearly that we should replace him with all haste. People aren't angry at Bush so much as disappointed and disgusted because Bush doesn't live up to the Main Street American values that Dean invokes.

The cynicism of the corporate-owned press is that we don't have any values to speak of beyond consumerism and the money to support our "American way" habits (and their advertisers). According to this cynicism all politicians are a bit false, so calling them naked is a bit beside the point. Dean's not a cynic, not false, and is using the Net to communicate directly with others who love America and see higher ideals as once again attainable by it, rather than a continued slide into blustering corruption.

He' proving the Republic still has some blood in its veins. He's no Thomas Jefferson (alas), but could well become the best US president since FDR.

Dean's improbable sprint to internet cash-and-glory will only get him so far. And then the incredibly labor intensive huge Democratic machine will have to take over.

If you look at Dean's main Website and official blog you'll notice that it's not just fundraising that's going on. There are 150,000 people involved in Dean Meetups and thousands more have already sent over 100,000 handwritten letters to voters in New Hampsire and Iowa. Plus there are scores of independent websites discussing and promoting Dean from various perspectives. He's got more troops on the ground than the Democratic Party - particularly if you count the union troops he's already recruited as his and not the Democrats', per se.

What Dean's doing isn't taking over the "Left Wing" or even the Democratic Party so much as it is taking over the middle of the road. He's steamrolling right down the center with a good dose of traditional American common sense (although his invocation of Thomas Paine is a bit lame, at least it's an error in the right direction). He's redefining what the center of the road means.

And this whole thing about his - and his fans' - "anger" is just off the point. George W. is an idiot, and he's calling the Emperor naked and saying clearly that we should replace him with all haste. People aren't angry at Bush so much as disappointed and disgusted because Bush doesn't live up to the Main Street American values that Dean invokes.

The cynicism of the corporate-owned press is that we don't have any values to speak of beyond consumerism and the money to support our "American way" habits (and their advertisers). According to this cynicism all politicians are a bit false, so calling them naked is a bit beside the point. Dean's not a cynic, not false, and is using the Net to communicate directly with others who love America and see higher ideals as once again attainable by it, rather than a continued slide into blustering corruption.

He' proving the Republic still has some blood in its veins. He's no Thomas Jefferson (alas), but could well become the best US president since FDR.

From the parent post: "... (this is starting to look more and more like Vietnam, thought I am too young to know that for certain)..."

In the Vietnam War, the U.S. government killed approximately 2,000,000 Vietnamese directly, and many more indirectly. None of those Vietnamese threatened the U.S. directly. Even if they had wanted to threaten the U.S., the average income of Vietnamese then was less than $100 per year. So they couldn't have afforded an airline ticket even if they did want to go to the U.S. to threaten someone.

Not to be outdone by the Vietnam War in stupidity and lack of social sophistication, the U.S. government's war in Iraq is, for many Arabs and Muslims, equivalent to picking a fight with 330 million Arabs and 1.1 billion Muslims.

So, while the second U.S. Government-Iraq War is equally as illogical as the U.S. Government-Vietnam War, it is not yet equally as immoral.

Is the rest of the world just there for the U.S. government to use to act out the inner conflict and anger of its members? If you don't think so, this man seems to be more mentally healthy than George Bush: Howard Dean.

Are they talking about sending Bush to the moon?

There is what appears to be a good alternative to hearing jokes about the president of the U.S. not having much comprehension: Howard Dean for President.

From the PDF file referenced in the parent post, the World Prison Population List:

"The United States has the highest prison population rate in the world, some 686 per 100,000 of the national population, ..."

In the U.S., the anger level is such that there is strong support for keeping people in small cages, at great taxpayer expense, but little support for fixing social problems.

From the parent post: "Getting rid of your idiot president would be a good start."

As others have said, at least there is what appears to be a good alternative: Howard Dean for President

For those in the U.S. who don't like bad treatment by governments, there is another option: Howard Dean for President. Elect someone healthy instead of someone who spent a large part of his early adult life drunk.

We used to use Gallery for our photos, but while it's easily the best installable package around, and much better than lots of online photo sharing places, we eventually outgrew it. It wasn't easy enough for my computer-illiterate family members, and it wasn't powerful or stylish enough for those who were literate.

Rather than look elsewhere, I built my own. It's now a thriving service all it's own, and our mantras are Easy and Style. Every decision we make is governed by those two directives, and it's paying off. We have soccer moms, Grandmas, servicement stationed in Iraq, and many many more using the service. Howard Dean runs his presidential campaign using smugmug.

The downside is that it's not free. You get a week to try it out free, but then it's $30/year (not month!). That gets you a fantastic, stylish, and easy-to use photo sharing site with unlimited storage. Best of all, it can be customized to link seamlessly with other websites, such as your blog or whatever you'd like.

Howard Dean's presidential campaign: http://photos.deanforamerica.com/

My wife's photography business: http://emphoto.smugmug.com/

We are, of course, Linux, Mac OS X, and yes, even Windows friendly. :)

Check it out. We're small, but profitable, and I promise we have the best customer service on the net. We always will.

"The will of the people" is a myth."

I hope not yet. It gives me hope to see outsiders gain momentum, much to the dismay of the party big wigs which pre-select the candidates we are supposed to choose.

A recent example of this is the explosion in supporters for Dean who has risen through a grass-roots energization of the Democratic party. Suddenly this nobody is the frontrunner, and will probably be taking on GWB & Co. next year. This is completely against the will of the official Democratic Party, who had already annointed Gephart and Kerry.

Democracy is not completely dead in America. I feel very lucky that Diebod exposed their stupidity or bad intentions to the world through the accidental posting of internal documents and source code. Just think if this had never come out. The ability to rig elections untracably, secretly hidden away in the closed, propriatary source which no one can see.

We might have gotten lucky. Perhaps we have bought a few more years before 'they' can come up with a new plan for world domination.

At least Al Gore seems to have "moved on" from those days and taken a stand in favor of freedom (more in opposition to the outrageous Bush "enemy combatant" designation than the Patriot Act, but this is definitely in the category of Bush's refusal to respect basic civil rights.) And Howard Dean, whom I support for President, has as well. So there are alternatives, even if there weren't previously.

People, please vote Libertarian before we lose all of our freedoms.

did the election of 2000 teach you nothing?

vote for a democrat, unless four more years of john ashcroft is your plan for keeping your freedoms intact.

-esme

I have a question both to the AC who posted the original remark and to the hapless moderator who rated it as insightful: how does one assess the completeness of an idiot?

As we swing into the thick of the 2004 electoral playoffs, it's interesting to see what kinds of platforms are running under the candidates' official campaign Web sites. Netcraft has a handy feature called "What's that site running?" that lets us see combinations of Web servers and OS platforms. So here's a quick rundown, in alphabetical order:

• George W. Bush: Microsoft IIS on Windows 2000

• Wesley Clark: Apache on Linux

• Howard Dean: Apache on FreeBSD

• John Edwards: Microsoft IIS "behind a computer running NetWare"

• Richard Gephardt: Microsoft IIS on Windows 2000

• John Kerry: Apache on Linux

• Dennis Kucinich Apache on Linux

• Carol Mosely-Braun: Apache on FreeBSD

• Al Sharpton: Apache on Solaris 8

• Joe Lieberman: Apache on FreeBSD

For what it's worth, the Republican National Committee is running Microsoft IIS on Windows 2000, while the Democratic National Committee is running Apache on Linux.

As of this writing, November 5, 2003, the RNC has an uptime of 4.26 days (maximum of 39.04) and a 90-day moving average of 16.91. The DNC has an uptime of 445.02 days (also the maximum) and a 90-day moving average of 395.38 days.

Draw your own conclusions.

Doc Searls is Senior Editor of Linux Journal.

An excellent response to a comment that arguably didn't deserve it, but I still like Dean's plan better.

I'll read your link more thoroughly when I get a chance.

4. The Internet's openness should be promoted

The Internet was initially designed as a way of moving bits without preferring some bits to others. Network architects call this principle "end-to-end" networking. That way, anyone with a good idea - or a bad one - can build it and see if it works. This openness is essential to the Internet's value as a marketplace of innovation and a public square for ideas.

5. The Internet is a democracy of voices, not primarily a broadcast medium

Although the Internet certainly can be used to broadcast messages and programs from one spot to hundreds of millions of others, its most important effect socially and economically is its transformation of the broadcast model. Rather than "freedom of the press belonging to those who own one," everyone now can reach everyone else. The Internet is encouraging people to speak up, in their own voice, about what matters to them. This empowerment of human voice and conversation is profoundly in line with the ideals of American democracy.

....and judging by the way he runs his campaign, he means it.

Here you go.

By the way, Dean is not proposing a single-payer system since he doesn't think it will pass. What Vermont did, and what he proposes for the country, is an expansion of existing systems, especially for children and the elderly.

I am too tired to create an account, but I post on the Dean blog as 2501 if you want to track down my email address. Not exactly an answer, but related--I don't know if it was already linked, but the Dean campaign yesterday did issue a statement of principles about the future of the internet: http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?page name=InternetPrinciples

It's the end of the quarter - a big fundraising day for the candidates.
Since we slashdotted them and you can't see the site, here's the link if you want to give them some support

http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute

Personally I like to support this sort of thing (the GPL software, not the slashdotting)

Also, if you want to hear more from and about Howard Dean, be sure to check out his interview on NPR's Talk of the Nation yesterday. His performance in this interview is a great example of why people are so excited about his candidacy.

DeanForAmerica is now running Apache on FreeBSD, but was originally running IIS on Win2k.

BlogForAmerica at least recently has been running Apache on Red Hat

But what annoys me most about the Dean websites is howarddean.tv, which not only is STILL running IIS on Win2K, but also requires you to be running a recent version of Windows Media Player and a recent version of IE on Windows to get the streaming content. They have a way of downloading QuickTime versions of some of the videos, but that's assuming you can even navigate the site with the 'wrong' kind of browser. When they have all the videos available in ogg vorbis on a site accessible via LYNX, then we'll know they 'get it'.

A SlashDot interview would be good, but it shouldn't be with Dean himself, it should be with his web guru.

Fedhax (513562) wrote "Brad posted some brief comments from his interaction with the Dean campaign (9/10/2003)", but that mistates the case. Brad wrote "I met with a Presidential campaign yesterday" without stating that it was Dean's campaign, and then later, in reference to Drupal states "if you compare the features to what Howard Dean has on his site, you are basically setup with everything he has". This implies to me that he was talking with another campaign.

The fact that Dean's own site says "...have been working on this project for nearly six months ... extending Drupal" shows that they have been using Drupal for a long time before Brad's meeting two weeks ago.

(From http://www.deanforamerica.com/)

At midnight on Tuesday, September 30th, the fundraising deadline will close for FEC filing purposes.
...
Click here to contribute:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute
...
Can we raise nearly $2.5 million in 36 hours? I know we can, because on June 30th, when we had 130,000 supporters, you raised more than $819,000 in 24 hours. You have shown the power we have when we join together in common cause.


Time to stand up Slashdot.

Using the URLs as you posted them, you just get redirected to the site's main page.

Using the URLs as you posted them, you just get redirected to the site's main page.

I will oppose expansion of the Patriot Act, efforts to remove sunset clauses included in the act, and I will seek to repeal the portions of the Patriot Act that are unconstitutional.

I will protect the civil rights of immigrants detained by the Department of Homeland Security.

I will work for federal legislation to restore the right to vote in any federal election for ex-felons who have paid their debt to society.

I will appoint an Attorney General who sees our constitution not just as a document to be manipulated, ignored, and violated, but who recognizes and respects it as the fabric that binds the American community together.

I will nominate federal judges with outstanding legal credentials, records of professional excellence, and demonstrated commitment to the constitutional principles of equality, liberty, and privacy. [emphasis mine]


[Note: platform points editted down and re-ordered]

It makes a difference. Dean didn't even get into this race so he could win; but he is personable, compelling, and doesn't seem to play games. I don't agree with some of his platform, but I respect a straight-talking former doctor who seems wonderfully out of place among slick career politicians.

If you think voting for Dean vs. voting for Bush doesn't make a difference, then you're insane. We know Bush will get the Republican nomination. So register as a democrat NOW and back Dean in the primary.

They are civically uninformed on a wide variety of issues, and push to make things worse in many cases.

You may think they push to make things worse; you may also think Bush's solution to stimulate economy is a good one. They may think they push to make things better, and may also think Bush's economic solution is a bad one. Either way, there are plenty of knowledgable, educated policy-makers (economists, in the above example) who debate these issues every day. To each their own I say, but to blindly charge them as being "civically uninformed" is just silly.

Thanks to moveon, an antisemite is the leading Dem candidate.

According to the recent polls, Lieberman is the leading candidate. If he is "antisemite", then Bush is a "compassionate conservative" (or whatever the latest feel-good label is).

I'll assume you mean Howard Dean, but to say moveon is responsible for his high placing in the polls is giving them far too much credit. They haven't 'endorsed' any one candidate yet, and Howard Dean has gotten where he is without any help from moveon (that I'm aware of). Howard Dean is also certainly *not* antisemitic - he has said his views are "closer to that of AIPAC's" - far too 'pro-semitic' in my opinion.

Rather than repeat, and possibly misstate, the positions of the candidates I'd suggest you take a look at each of the candidates issue statements.

• Howard Dean
• John Kerry
• Dick Gephardt
• John Edwards
• Dennis Kucinich
• etc...

Most of the candidates have answers (or ideas) for each of these questions posted on their page. There is no single unified platform for the democratic party at this point.

"November of next year, do yourselves, your country, and your species a favor and don't vote for either major party. They've both shown themselves to be derelict in their duties as public servants."

Bad mistake. This will only insure that the current crop radical right wing zealots will continue in power.

Vote for Dean. He is a fiscal conservative, he is pro gun, he is pro gay marriage,he pro choice, he is anti patriot act. Go to his web site and read his positions on the issues you care about and I bet you agree with him on everything.

first post for Dean!

"An opinion without action is useless."

I was listening to some NPR thing about Martin Luther King Jr. this morning, and I remember that quote. I don't know who said it, but it's true.

It's one thing to be "sick of this crap", but unless you vote, and/or give money to a political candidate, it doesn't matter.

Money right now, while the candidates are trying to get the nomination is especially important. More people who can hear your candidate's message are more people who will vote for him. In that sense, money translates to many many more votes than your 1 vote.

Bush, et al know this, and they are milking all those wealthy supports who can fork out $2000 a plate.

Personally, I am supporting Howard Dean for president.

Make your own opinions about the candidates, but again

DON'T JUST SIT THERE, VOTE AND GIVE MONEY

(Not to say the poster isn't being active about his opinion, I'm just reminding others who may not be)

Bad as things may seem, we do still live in a democracy. Why not vote the bastards out of office next year? This time around we even have some decent replacements for them.

I like the jump on the bandwagon name change from "Total" to "Terrorist"
for DARPA's Terrorism Information Awareness program
(formerly "Total Information Awareness")

Reading these pages will put you on the Dept. of Homeland Security's watch-list almost
as quickly as Howard Dean's Stop Ashcroft Petition

Vote Dean!!!

Obviously this person is trying to get people to "misplace" their votes on Howard Dean . Please ignore ACs who tell YOU who to vote for. You do the research and vote for the cantidate YOU agree with.

And as an aside - can the AC who posted this show me *1* case where the ACLU fought something *simply* because it was Christian? In other words - Christians are not always right, especially not simply because they are Christians. The ACLU has never sued anyone for praying. They *have* worked to stop governmentally funded or endorsed prayer.

Why is it so wrong to donate money to the ACLU when just about every Christian church asks for 10% of your income? Do Christian organizations and churches not lobby and influence politics?

1. Dean is not anti-war, he's just anti-"pre-emptive", sexed-up war.

2. I don't think Bush would get 500 electorals against anyone right now. Economy? Middling. Unemployment? Yikes. Bad news from Iraq & Afghanistan? More yikes. Pissed off soldiers (who's pay Bush is cutting)? Very bad.

Bush is very much in danger of losing the big Middle, unless we have another crisis, which is the only thing that keeps his approval ratings up.

Dean for America: Capital Punishment

"Capital punishment is an emotional issue, but supporters and opponents can agree that the death penalty should only be imposed after a fair trial.
...
As President, I would promptly instruct my Attorney General to evaluate the federal death penalty system, take steps to ensure that it is applied fairly and reliably."

The death penalty is wrong on all levels. Killing someone in the name of justice is nothing more than murder and revenge. It's a punish with no appeal and with no chance to change if incorrectly given. Since the Supremes reinstated the death penalty over 100 people destine for death have been proven innocent by parties outside the goverment. Two people have been exonerated after their executions. There is no justice for them.

Dean's positions are seldom troglodyte thumbs up thumbs down on any issue but rather considered and nuanced positions based on evaluation of facts."

Some call that "waffling".

He supports the current "war on drugs",

Incorrect.

Howard Dean does not support the outright legalization of drugs, but condemns incarceration as the least effective means of social control.

From selectsmart: "We need to treat drugs as a public health problem. That's difficult to do. We actually don't have a lot of drug users in our jails; the ones we have in there are drug users who are also dealers. Jails not a particularly effective way to get people to stop using drugs; treatment is."

the death penalty

Incorrect.

There is no death penalty in Vermont. A leading death penalty opponent and founder of the Fair Trial Initiative is even one of Dean's three main webmasters.

Position Paper

and NAFTA

Incorrect.

Dean has promised to withdraw the US from the WTO if it cannot be reformulated into a watchdog for fair wage, environmental, and labor standards.

Position Paper
Position Paper

Dean recently retreated from his earlier pledge to direct the FDA to study medical marijuana.

Incorrect.

On Larry King Live this month, Dean just reiterated his position to order to the FDA to study the issue and make the issue solely dependent on medical opinion.

Dean's positions are seldom troglodyte thumbs up thumbs down on any issue but rather considered and nuanced positions based on evaluation of facts.

He supports the current "war on drugs",

Incorrect.

Howard Dean does not support the outright legalization of drugs, but condemns incarceration as the least effective means of social control.

From selectsmart: "We need to treat drugs as a public health problem. That's difficult to do. We actually don't have a lot of drug users in our jails; the ones we have in there are drug users who are also dealers. Jails not a particularly effective way to get people to stop using drugs; treatment is."

the death penalty

Incorrect.

There is no death penalty in Vermont. A leading death penalty opponent and founder of the Fair Trial Initiative is even one of Dean's three main webmasters.

Position Paper

and NAFTA

Incorrect.

Dean has promised to withdraw the US from the WTO if it cannot be reformulated into a watchdog for fair wage, environmental, and labor standards.

Position Paper
Position Paper

Dean recently retreated from his earlier pledge to direct the FDA to study medical marijuana.

Incorrect.

On Larry King Live this month, Dean just reiterated his position to order to the FDA to study the issue and make the issue solely dependent on medical opinion.

Dean's positions are seldom troglodyte thumbs up thumbs down on any issue but rather considered and nuanced positions based on evaluation of facts.

He supports the current "war on drugs",

Incorrect.

Howard Dean does not support the outright legalization of drugs, but condemns incarceration as the least effective means of social control.

From selectsmart: "We need to treat drugs as a public health problem. That's difficult to do. We actually don't have a lot of drug users in our jails; the ones we have in there are drug users who are also dealers. Jails not a particularly effective way to get people to stop using drugs; treatment is."

the death penalty

Incorrect.

There is no death penalty in Vermont. A leading death penalty opponent and founder of the Fair Trial Initiative is even one of Dean's three main webmasters.

Position Paper

and NAFTA

Incorrect.

Dean has promised to withdraw the US from the WTO if it cannot be reformulated into a watchdog for fair wage, environmental, and labor standards.

Position Paper
Position Paper

Dean recently retreated from his earlier pledge to direct the FDA to study medical marijuana.

Incorrect.

On Larry King Live this month, Dean just reiterated his position to order to the FDA to study the issue and make the issue solely dependent on medical opinion.

Dean's positions are seldom troglodyte thumbs up thumbs down on any issue but rather considered and nuanced positions based on evaluation of facts.

The guy has no plan, he just likes to attack.

Just in case anyone was about to believe that baseless allegation:

Dean's Plan for Ensuring Civil Rights
Dean's Plan for the Economy
Dean's Plan for the Environment
Dean's Plan for Health Care
Dean's Plan for Education