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Taco, please find my design at http://www.digg.com./

Everyone knows 12 year olds are about look and style! Why not just scrape their work and call it our own? That's what any good grown-up does at work... http://www.digg.com/css/digg2.css It would be "kool" and we could just say "sorry, my bad" when they catch us...

something that looks fresh, something that is not cluttered with tons of boxes/links, something that has a great moderation system with readable threads, something that will degrade perfectly on all browsers (including links/lynx)...Let's see...what can I call as an example...Oh, I know:

http://digg.com/

Seriously, that site is so much easier to read, navigate, use; it's just years ahead of where /. is, and it would be easy to change the colors, add those BIG icons like CmdTaco wants. I don't create themes/designs myself, but I know when I find a good one.

If the quality of this product matches the quality of Microsoft's other 1.0 products, then "It's so bad" is about right.

http://ipaction.org/blog/2006/04/bill-hollywood-ca rtels-dont-want-you_24.html
https://ipaction.org/contribute.html
(Also vote it up on Digg (may help?)
http://digg.com/technology/RIAA_MPAA_to_get_thier_ wishes_from_Congress:_More_DMCA_restrictions

It's been demonstrated otherwise using Economics and Games Theory: A Case Against Intellectual Property

A document I've found which explains it on terms of Economics and Games Theory: A Case Against Intellectual Property

Or just victims of the M0 plague; dopamine self-addicted, permanently neuroinhibited and hence uncapable of any soft of thought, just addicted to performing rituals.

I thought this too until I read the story slashdot linked to. What you are describing are burried stories. As far as I can tell, you can still search for burried stories and you can view them if you want to.

The story linked to by slashdot gives you the links of the two stories the guy put up, and digg.com claims they do not exist. A really interesting thing is that this url: http://digg.com/technology/Suspicious_Digging_ goes to an error page, yet the title of the page shows "Suspicious Digging?" Notice the question mark at the end, which is not in the URL. Also, if you make up a fake story name like http://digg.com/technology/this_story_does_not_exi st you'll see a blank page without the error message.

I don't know if this is normal behavior. Seems like someone actually deleted the stories.

I thought this too until I read the story slashdot linked to. What you are describing are burried stories. As far as I can tell, you can still search for burried stories and you can view them if you want to.

The story linked to by slashdot gives you the links of the two stories the guy put up, and digg.com claims they do not exist. A really interesting thing is that this url: http://digg.com/technology/Suspicious_Digging_ goes to an error page, yet the title of the page shows "Suspicious Digging?" Notice the question mark at the end, which is not in the URL. Also, if you make up a fake story name like http://digg.com/technology/this_story_does_not_exi st you'll see a blank page without the error message.

I don't know if this is normal behavior. Seems like someone actually deleted the stories.

That may be, but the site popularity is comparable in at least some metrics. For example, a Digg link can generate more traffic to target sites than even the notorious Slashdot Effect. For example, the big Nmap 4.00 release was covered by both Slashdot and Digg. According to my referrer logs, Slashdot delivered a respectable 4,934 hits, while Digg brought more than twice as many (11,349). An article in Heise.De generated more traffic than either of them.

Of course there could be other explanations for these results. Maybe it is just more evidence for the sterotype that Sladhot readers don't RTFA. And I realize there are many other variables involved -- but the results surprised me.

-Fyodor (still a loyal /. reader)

I definitely agree with you, but Digg has been getting a bit better since they added threaded conversations a few weeks ago. Recently I was reading these comments (granted it is the games area which doesn't get the same level of attention) and realized that the matching thread on Digg had a similar level of clowning and prejudice, but at least the Digg crew questioned the study and realized that it was flawed and reported inaccurately. This is only one case of this happening, but perhaps it is a sign of changes to come.

Couldn't it simply be that this is all much ado about nothing? If anything, could this not be the case that the "annoyed sponsors" are merely reporting the story as lame, thus burying it?

Apparently, some of the stories weren't just buried, they were totally erased (even if you knew the URL, they don't exist anymore, though there is a slight trace - this was deleted, this never existed, compare the page titles and contents). Some of the users posting them were also banned...

Couldn't it simply be that this is all much ado about nothing? If anything, could this not be the case that the "annoyed sponsors" are merely reporting the story as lame, thus burying it?

Apparently, some of the stories weren't just buried, they were totally erased (even if you knew the URL, they don't exist anymore, though there is a slight trace - this was deleted, this never existed, compare the page titles and contents). Some of the users posting them were also banned...

It is also worth noting that Digg has rapidly gained popularity to the point that Slashdot and Digg are now neck and neck [alexa.com] according to Alexa.

Oooh! This article might make digg crumble under the Slashdot effect.

But I can see that digg already has a story about Slashdot talking about digg censorship. So maybe Slashdot will crumble under the digg effect.

Either way, bandwidth is going to be a bummer this afternoon.

"So my idea was to start a news website where you would give complete control to the community ... People like the fact that it's a democratic approach to news," Rose said. "There's no handful of editors in a smoke-filled back room deciding which stories are important; the masses are deciding." (http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/24/magazines/busines s2/diggdemocratizes/index.htm)

As much as I like Digg I've wondered if a democratic approach is truly possible without putting at risk their aim of being a tech related news site. Imagine what the front page stories would be, if all MySpace users opened a Digg account. This seems like a microcosm of world politics - is their some good in having a ruling elite? I would say there is, as long as those in power have earned their position (i.e. they are educated, not just well connected).

Here are the Digg submissions as I saw them unfold in the last few hours:
http://digg.com/links/Story_about_Digg_s_corruptio n_deleted_within_seconds.
http://digg.com/technology/Digg_Corrupted#c1505447
http://digg.com/links/Slashdot_chimes_in_on_DIGG_c ensorship_controvery
http://digg.com/technology/Growing_Censorship_Conc erns_at_Digg

"So my idea was to start a news website where you would give complete control to the community ... People like the fact that it's a democratic approach to news," Rose said. "There's no handful of editors in a smoke-filled back room deciding which stories are important; the masses are deciding." (http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/24/magazines/busines s2/diggdemocratizes/index.htm)

As much as I like Digg I've wondered if a democratic approach is truly possible without putting at risk their aim of being a tech related news site. Imagine what the front page stories would be, if all MySpace users opened a Digg account. This seems like a microcosm of world politics - is their some good in having a ruling elite? I would say there is, as long as those in power have earned their position (i.e. they are educated, not just well connected).

Here are the Digg submissions as I saw them unfold in the last few hours:
http://digg.com/links/Story_about_Digg_s_corruptio n_deleted_within_seconds.
http://digg.com/technology/Digg_Corrupted#c1505447
http://digg.com/links/Slashdot_chimes_in_on_DIGG_c ensorship_controvery
http://digg.com/technology/Growing_Censorship_Conc erns_at_Digg

"So my idea was to start a news website where you would give complete control to the community ... People like the fact that it's a democratic approach to news," Rose said. "There's no handful of editors in a smoke-filled back room deciding which stories are important; the masses are deciding." (http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/24/magazines/busines s2/diggdemocratizes/index.htm)

As much as I like Digg I've wondered if a democratic approach is truly possible without putting at risk their aim of being a tech related news site. Imagine what the front page stories would be, if all MySpace users opened a Digg account. This seems like a microcosm of world politics - is their some good in having a ruling elite? I would say there is, as long as those in power have earned their position (i.e. they are educated, not just well connected).

Here are the Digg submissions as I saw them unfold in the last few hours:
http://digg.com/links/Story_about_Digg_s_corruptio n_deleted_within_seconds.
http://digg.com/technology/Digg_Corrupted#c1505447
http://digg.com/links/Slashdot_chimes_in_on_DIGG_c ensorship_controvery
http://digg.com/technology/Growing_Censorship_Conc erns_at_Digg

"So my idea was to start a news website where you would give complete control to the community ... People like the fact that it's a democratic approach to news," Rose said. "There's no handful of editors in a smoke-filled back room deciding which stories are important; the masses are deciding." (http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/24/magazines/busines s2/diggdemocratizes/index.htm)

As much as I like Digg I've wondered if a democratic approach is truly possible without putting at risk their aim of being a tech related news site. Imagine what the front page stories would be, if all MySpace users opened a Digg account. This seems like a microcosm of world politics - is their some good in having a ruling elite? I would say there is, as long as those in power have earned their position (i.e. they are educated, not just well connected).

Here are the Digg submissions as I saw them unfold in the last few hours:
http://digg.com/links/Story_about_Digg_s_corruptio n_deleted_within_seconds.
http://digg.com/technology/Digg_Corrupted#c1505447
http://digg.com/links/Slashdot_chimes_in_on_DIGG_c ensorship_controvery
http://digg.com/technology/Growing_Censorship_Conc erns_at_Digg

Here's the link to the digg story that got pulled (at the time of this post it had 485 diggs)

I think there's a missing link in the posted story.

Here is an example of a forced FPP:
http://digg.com/technology/Yahoo_Responds_to_Contr oversy_about_Not_Being_1_-_Wrong_Wrong_Wrong

Are any of your blog posts technology news?

And here's the Digg dupe. Slashdot dupe pending...

This is a joke, by the way (you can't be too careful).

Today was the first time I ever tried to participate in Digg. I'm not impressed at all. I know that by starting off on such a contentious issue, I've skewed my data, but general consensus in the comments seems to be that people won't "digg" anything that's even slightly critical of Digg.

So I say that the censorship issue is nothing to do with the admins at Digg. It's the users. Here at Slashdot we see views and ideas that are critical of this site all the time, often at +5. This is a very important difference, and I don't think I'll be going back to Digg after this. Either too many users are too narrow-minded to listen to potential criticism, or the balance of the story selection algorithm is off, and is too conducive to groupthink.

Today was the first time I ever tried to participate in Digg. I'm not impressed at all. I know that by starting off on such a contentious issue, I've skewed my data, but general consensus in the comments seems to be that people won't "digg" anything that's even slightly critical of Digg.

So I say that the censorship issue is nothing to do with the admins at Digg. It's the users. Here at Slashdot we see views and ideas that are critical of this site all the time, often at +5. This is a very important difference, and I don't think I'll be going back to Digg after this. Either too many users are too narrow-minded to listen to potential criticism, or the balance of the story selection algorithm is off, and is too conducive to groupthink.

...recently. I greatly enjoyed Digg, and, for a while, I actually preferred Digg's setup and variety of content to Slashdot's. Unfortunately, its rising popularity and increased 'democracy' has led to severe degradation. Any comments posted that go against the grain of popular opinion gets modded down, or even controversial ones - people aren't as likely to mod things up that they agree with as they are to mod down statements they don't like. Say ANYTHING negative of Apple gets modded down to oblivion, whether the comment is valid or not.

Additionally, more and more articles linked hide referral URLs, or link to the submitters blog instead of the actual meaty articles.

I've also grown weary of self-masturbatory articles, such as http://digg.com/technology/Digg_Featured_in_SF_Chr onicle_Article_on_Social_News_Sites . Who wants to go to Digg to read about how great Digg is?

One last nitpick: the extreme sensationalism that goes into the headline writing that submitters choose, in hopes that their headline will be voted up. Unfortunately, it seems to work, as the masses mod up or down without reading the articles.

from comments at http://digg.com/technology/Digg_Censors_Stories_Th at_Offend_Sponsors#c634036

Keng on 12/19/05
Thank you Kevin but shouldn't it still be under stories submitted?

Thanks


kevinrose on 12/19/05
Where do you see it missing?

end of conversation

Two front page articles got pulled off within 10 minutes of being promoted.

Users can easily create email accounts, change their IP address by resetting their router/modem and create accounts in digg to eventually digg their articles.

Non-moderated news never works. Digg _is_ moderated. The poor soles who frequent that site just don't know it. As TFA said, digg.com is more of an editor playground that a democratic proccess of picking news.

here are two examples from yesterday

Two front page articles got pulled off within 10 minutes of being promoted.

Users can easily create email accounts, change their IP address by resetting their router/modem and create accounts in digg to eventually digg their articles.

Non-moderated news never works. Digg _is_ moderated. The poor soles who frequent that site just don't know it. As TFA said, digg.com is more of an editor playground that a democratic proccess of picking news.

here are two examples from yesterday

Personally I think this is all totally within the rights of their editors to choose content however they like.

Just so we complete the circle, here's a DIGG on this /. story ... ;-)

So you build a website that acts as a community (a webmunity?). And one of the great things is that you get to be God of Gods at your webmunity and do whatever you want to users. You giveth life and taketh life away!

And all is good.

But your reader base hates you for it. And one day, dissent might arise. If you don't address it you risk losing your user base. If you try to cover it up and the truth breaks out, I guarantee you will lose your user base.

So the editors do what they want and you vote with your clicks. This is no grand concept, we provide them revenue by visiting their sites. We are traveling to their sites by keystrokes and clicks (not our feet) so vote with them and everyone is happy!

If you can't find a fair site, build your own! Show us how it's done and let us know where it's at. I, for one, would like to see more slash/digg hybrids popping up that rate everything (stories, users, comments, etc) and have a tight handle on who gets how many mod points. I don't care for the easy exploitation of digg and I don't care for the veto happy choice editors for Slashdot.

This isn't a cold war (yet) since they aren't openly bashing each other like the USSR Vs USA war ... or is it? Is this the opening salvo in a war of words between the editors of Digg and Slashdot? I hope not, this site is the center of enough flamewars as it is.

It would most likely boil down to a witch hunt. Sites will be judged by two qualities: fascist nazism & crap content. It's like precision versus recall, everyone has their own preferred happy medium.

Frankly, the Godaddy digg seems to be there and intact. But I did have to Google it. Remember, you can hate the diggers who submit (and digg) crap, the GNAA trolls & Adolf Hitroll but only as much as you hate your freedom to submit, digg and post yourself.

So you build a website that acts as a community (a webmunity?). And one of the great things is that you get to be God of Gods at your webmunity and do whatever you want to users. You giveth life and taketh life away!

And all is good.

But your reader base hates you for it. And one day, dissent might arise. If you don't address it you risk losing your user base. If you try to cover it up and the truth breaks out, I guarantee you will lose your user base.

So the editors do what they want and you vote with your clicks. This is no grand concept, we provide them revenue by visiting their sites. We are traveling to their sites by keystrokes and clicks (not our feet) so vote with them and everyone is happy!

If you can't find a fair site, build your own! Show us how it's done and let us know where it's at. I, for one, would like to see more slash/digg hybrids popping up that rate everything (stories, users, comments, etc) and have a tight handle on who gets how many mod points. I don't care for the easy exploitation of digg and I don't care for the veto happy choice editors for Slashdot.

This isn't a cold war (yet) since they aren't openly bashing each other like the USSR Vs USA war ... or is it? Is this the opening salvo in a war of words between the editors of Digg and Slashdot? I hope not, this site is the center of enough flamewars as it is.

It would most likely boil down to a witch hunt. Sites will be judged by two qualities: fascist nazism & crap content. It's like precision versus recall, everyone has their own preferred happy medium.

Frankly, the Godaddy digg seems to be there and intact. But I did have to Google it. Remember, you can hate the diggers who submit (and digg) crap, the GNAA trolls & Adolf Hitroll but only as much as you hate your freedom to submit, digg and post yourself.

That joke seems oddly.. familiar

Digg has a link to some HTML that can cause XP to restart. It is here:

http://digg.com/security/Simple_HTML_code_restarts _Windows_XP

Mayhaps you will eXPerience a flash from the past.

...so next time you do a major product release, submit an article about it to slashdot, or write a blog entry about it and submit that. I'm sure if you product is interesting it will get posted. Also look to reddit and digg for more coverage.

digged and slashdotted on the same day.

• Digg creeps ever closer to Slashdot
• Digg closes in on Slashdot
• DIGG should catch Slashdot this month Check out the huge traffic increase
• Digg breaks top 5000 ranking on Alexa.com
• Digg vs. Slashdot Alexia Graph
• First time ever: Digg officially surpasses Slashdot
• What happened to Slashdot 2
• Engadget and Digg both bigger than Slashdot now!
• Digg overtakes Slashdot

People there are so obsessed with beating Slashdot that many actually installed Alexa specifically so that it could track their visits to Digg.

More such results continue on the second search page. Only on page 4 do they start to lose relevance (an interesting correlation with the study that was featured yesterday, n'est ce pas?)

• Digg creeps ever closer to Slashdot
• Digg closes in on Slashdot
• DIGG should catch Slashdot this month Check out the huge traffic increase
• Digg breaks top 5000 ranking on Alexa.com
• Digg vs. Slashdot Alexia Graph
• First time ever: Digg officially surpasses Slashdot
• What happened to Slashdot 2
• Engadget and Digg both bigger than Slashdot now!
• Digg overtakes Slashdot

People there are so obsessed with beating Slashdot that many actually installed Alexa specifically so that it could track their visits to Digg.

More such results continue on the second search page. Only on page 4 do they start to lose relevance (an interesting correlation with the study that was featured yesterday, n'est ce pas?)

• Digg creeps ever closer to Slashdot
• Digg closes in on Slashdot
• DIGG should catch Slashdot this month Check out the huge traffic increase
• Digg breaks top 5000 ranking on Alexa.com
• Digg vs. Slashdot Alexia Graph
• First time ever: Digg officially surpasses Slashdot
• What happened to Slashdot 2
• Engadget and Digg both bigger than Slashdot now!
• Digg overtakes Slashdot

People there are so obsessed with beating Slashdot that many actually installed Alexa specifically so that it could track their visits to Digg.

More such results continue on the second search page. Only on page 4 do they start to lose relevance (an interesting correlation with the study that was featured yesterday, n'est ce pas?)

• Digg creeps ever closer to Slashdot
• Digg closes in on Slashdot
• DIGG should catch Slashdot this month Check out the huge traffic increase
• Digg breaks top 5000 ranking on Alexa.com
• Digg vs. Slashdot Alexia Graph
• First time ever: Digg officially surpasses Slashdot
• What happened to Slashdot 2
• Engadget and Digg both bigger than Slashdot now!
• Digg overtakes Slashdot

People there are so obsessed with beating Slashdot that many actually installed Alexa specifically so that it could track their visits to Digg.

More such results continue on the second search page. Only on page 4 do they start to lose relevance (an interesting correlation with the study that was featured yesterday, n'est ce pas?)

• Digg creeps ever closer to Slashdot
• Digg closes in on Slashdot
• DIGG should catch Slashdot this month Check out the huge traffic increase
• Digg breaks top 5000 ranking on Alexa.com
• Digg vs. Slashdot Alexia Graph
• First time ever: Digg officially surpasses Slashdot
• What happened to Slashdot 2
• Engadget and Digg both bigger than Slashdot now!
• Digg overtakes Slashdot

People there are so obsessed with beating Slashdot that many actually installed Alexa specifically so that it could track their visits to Digg.

More such results continue on the second search page. Only on page 4 do they start to lose relevance (an interesting correlation with the study that was featured yesterday, n'est ce pas?)

• Digg creeps ever closer to Slashdot
• Digg closes in on Slashdot
• DIGG should catch Slashdot this month Check out the huge traffic increase
• Digg breaks top 5000 ranking on Alexa.com
• Digg vs. Slashdot Alexia Graph
• First time ever: Digg officially surpasses Slashdot
• What happened to Slashdot 2
• Engadget and Digg both bigger than Slashdot now!
• Digg overtakes Slashdot

People there are so obsessed with beating Slashdot that many actually installed Alexa specifically so that it could track their visits to Digg.

More such results continue on the second search page. Only on page 4 do they start to lose relevance (an interesting correlation with the study that was featured yesterday, n'est ce pas?)

• Digg creeps ever closer to Slashdot
• Digg closes in on Slashdot
• DIGG should catch Slashdot this month Check out the huge traffic increase
• Digg breaks top 5000 ranking on Alexa.com
• Digg vs. Slashdot Alexia Graph
• First time ever: Digg officially surpasses Slashdot
• What happened to Slashdot 2
• Engadget and Digg both bigger than Slashdot now!
• Digg overtakes Slashdot

People there are so obsessed with beating Slashdot that many actually installed Alexa specifically so that it could track their visits to Digg.

More such results continue on the second search page. Only on page 4 do they start to lose relevance (an interesting correlation with the study that was featured yesterday, n'est ce pas?)

• Digg creeps ever closer to Slashdot
• Digg closes in on Slashdot
• DIGG should catch Slashdot this month Check out the huge traffic increase
• Digg breaks top 5000 ranking on Alexa.com
• Digg vs. Slashdot Alexia Graph
• First time ever: Digg officially surpasses Slashdot
• What happened to Slashdot 2
• Engadget and Digg both bigger than Slashdot now!
• Digg overtakes Slashdot

People there are so obsessed with beating Slashdot that many actually installed Alexa specifically so that it could track their visits to Digg.

More such results continue on the second search page. Only on page 4 do they start to lose relevance (an interesting correlation with the study that was featured yesterday, n'est ce pas?)

• Digg creeps ever closer to Slashdot
• Digg closes in on Slashdot
• DIGG should catch Slashdot this month Check out the huge traffic increase
• Digg breaks top 5000 ranking on Alexa.com
• Digg vs. Slashdot Alexia Graph
• First time ever: Digg officially surpasses Slashdot
• What happened to Slashdot 2
• Engadget and Digg both bigger than Slashdot now!
• Digg overtakes Slashdot

People there are so obsessed with beating Slashdot that many actually installed Alexa specifically so that it could track their visits to Digg.

More such results continue on the second search page. Only on page 4 do they start to lose relevance (an interesting correlation with the study that was featured yesterday, n'est ce pas?)

• 10. Mod +5 annoying
• 9. New features
• 8. Reasons to use Linux
• 7. Boycott RIAA
• 6. Slashdot dating handbook
• 5. Cowboy Neal vs Godzilla
• 4. Cringely
• 3. Dvorak
• 2. Portman and Hot Grits
• 1. Goatse.cxGoatse.cx

Or you could provide a digg to the Digg about slashdot, which links back to this story. What happens if you Digg /. and /.-effect Digg? It's like some infitinate loop (of course, since nobody ever RTFAs, I guess it doesn't matter much).