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The very best of all of these was EV1Servers if you want top notch support. I ended up going with Vaultnetworks due to price. They had a better piece of hardware with more bandwidth, but they're much more "hands off" when it comes to management. This suited me just fine because I'm comfortable rolling out my own patches and fixes (I used cPanel so much of this was done for me anyway).

I've recently "downscaled" my webhosting business to friends-family only, and I was in need of something smaller with the same power. I chose JaguarPC's VPS solution. So far I can say that I'm completely impressed. I ditched cPanel and I signed up earlier in the year for a 1MB unmetered solution and I must say that I "feel" like the server is just as good as the one I paid $130/mo for with VaultNetworks (I'm paying $20/mo with Jag).

Best Support:
EV1: http://www.ev1servers.net/

Better Value:
Vault: http://www.vaultnetworks.com/

Best Cost/Value for what I do:
Jag: http://www.jaguarpc.com/vps-hosting/index.php

http://forum.ev1servers.net/showthread.php?s=&thre adid=42270&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

It didn't work out well for Robert Marsh, but at least his company survived.

Cheapest I've seen on the Net is ev1servers.net at $14.95 (about 8.50 pounds for UK folks). It works with almost all browsers, except for users running IE 5.0 or older that haven't upgraded the latest root certificate via Windows Update. What I did is write a script that scanned the access logs for IE 5.0 or older and displayed the percentage of such browsers - when it dipped below 0.1% (which it has already for about half the sites we manage), we switched from Verisign to the ev1servers.net secure cert and saved, wait for it, over 250 pounds per certificate!

Your average web server only has a 10mbps uplink. Some have 100mbps, but most only have 10.

You go from Backbone Provider -> Datacenter's Router -> [shaped for internal distro] -> Public access switch [10 or 100] -> isp -> DSLAM or switch -> cable, fiber or 30 year old copper -> home user

While having that kind of speed is great, and you're sure you can take advantage of all of the speed the serving server is willing to give you ... until there's some major changes at most data centers, you aren't gonna get much over 5 or 6. If you use DSL you have to take the age of the copper running to your home into consideration, how many places its spliced, etc.

Have a look at the topography of Savvis, here and you'll see what I mean. Many sites you visit live there, or in a place pretty much like it for all intensive purposes.

Other's would be The Planet , EV1 and similar.

So FTTP users, enjoy the capacity .. but you are still limited to whatever the nic in the web server you are accessing is going to give you .. and the quality of the network its connected to. For an average surfer that's a future handicap in getting the speed you pay for and its not the fault of your provider.

For people who use it for endpoint VPN's etc, yeah it rocks - but speed only happens if the other end of it is suitably connected.

So next time you see SIX MEG DOWNLINK .. subtract a few .. but still good speed :)

It looks like you have two options, get a dedicated server from someone like EV1 Servers for $99/month or setup your own box on your broadband connection (assuming you have broadband). I use EV1 and I would recommend them if you want a dedicated server and are willing to do your own system administration.

As far as software I'd recommend Subversion for source countrol, Bugzilla for bug tracking, and MediaWiki for general documentation. I'm in the process of setting this up for my own projects right now.

I am not a troll. This information should be shared.

Registrant:
4wx networks
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US

Domain name: WHITEBOXLINUX.NET

Administrative Contact:
nelson, donavan donavan@4wx.net
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US
402.000.0000
Technical Contact:
nelson, donavan donavan@4wx.net
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US
402.000.0000

Registration Service Provider:
Everyones Internet, domains@ev1servers.net
http://www.ev1servers.net/

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 22-Nov-2004.
Record expires on 24-Nov-2005.
Record created on 24-Nov-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS15.ZONEEDIT.COM 69.10.134.195
NS18.ZONEEDIT.COM 65.125.227.35

I am not a troll. This information should be shared.

Registrant:
4wx networks
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US

Domain name: WHITEBOXLINUX.COM

Administrative Contact:
nelson, donavan donavan@4wx.net
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US
402.000.0000
Technical Contact:
nelson, donavan donavan@4wx.net
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US
402.000.0000

Registration Service Provider:
Everyones Internet, domains@ev1servers.net
http://www.ev1servers.net/

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 22-Nov-2004.
Record expires on 24-Nov-2005.
Record created on 24-Nov-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS15.ZONEEDIT.COM 69.10.134.195
NS18.ZONEEDIT.COM 65.125.227.35

Domain status: ACTIVE

FOAD, donavan.

I am not a troll. This information should be shared.

Registrant:
4wx networks
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US

Domain name: WHITEBOXLINUX.NET

Administrative Contact:
nelson, donavan donavan@4wx.net
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US
402.000.0000
Technical Contact:
nelson, donavan donavan@4wx.net
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US
402.000.0000

Registration Service Provider:
Everyones Internet, domains@ev1servers.net
http://www.ev1servers.net/

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 22-Nov-2004.
Record expires on 24-Nov-2005.
Record created on 24-Nov-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS15.ZONEEDIT.COM 69.10.134.195
NS18.ZONEEDIT.COM 65.125.227.35

I am not a troll. This information should be shared.

Registrant:
4wx networks
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US

Domain name: WHITEBOXLINUX.COM

Administrative Contact:
nelson, donavan donavan@4wx.net
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US
402.000.0000
Technical Contact:
nelson, donavan donavan@4wx.net
12345
omaha, ne 68124
US
402.000.0000

Registration Service Provider:
Everyones Internet, domains@ev1servers.net
http://www.ev1servers.net/

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 22-Nov-2004.
Record expires on 24-Nov-2005.
Record created on 24-Nov-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS15.ZONEEDIT.COM 69.10.134.195
NS18.ZONEEDIT.COM 65.125.227.35

Domain status: ACTIVE

FOAD, donavan.

So EV1 has been scrapped due to liability issues. I guess they shouldn't have bought that license from SCO.

$30/year cheap?

http://www.ev1servers.net/english/starterssldetail s.asp

It's at ev1ervers.net.

$10/year (limited time, was $5 ~3 months ago), issued by freessl.com. Browser recognition is fairly good: IE >= 5.01, Netscape >= 7, Opera >= 7.53, Konqueror too (and thus Safari I assume, versions unknown).

I don't know why everyone loves GoDaddy so much. They charge an extra $9/year for WHOIS protection, which really adds up if you have a lot of domains. Meanwhile, sites RegisterFLY offers WHOIS protection for $0.99-$2.50/year (depending on the sale) and NameCheap is offering it for free right now. Both are eNom resellers. And RegisterFLY offers an alternating spam-filtered e-mail address with every domain at no extra charge, which rocks.

The one time I registered a domain with GoDaddy, it seemed very difficult to add/modify DNS records. Why? If I didn't want DNS, I'd go with one of those $6.49 registrars.

/. is not really the place to ask this question. Try

WebHostingTalk forum instead.

eg.
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.ph p?s=&th readid=343281

or
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php ?s=&th readid=335093
or even this thread (crikey, 5TB/month):
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthr ead.php?s=&th readid=342082

I think most unmetered servers will come to $200/mo or so.

eg.
Ev1Servers
Although they're all sold out, you could do worse than contact them and see if they have something for you for december.

rackforce are cheap, and do several unlimited packages that could suit you.

Or, if you actually want to control the cache, get a box from ServerBeach or EV1 Servers, and install Squid as an accelerator.

http://www.ev1servers.net

not only do they do dedicated servers, but you can also get domains through them. you have to sumbit real info for payment, but after you purchase the domain, they have no problem with you putting fake info on your domain.

Good gracious, learn some formating and manners. Here I am trying to have a discussion and all you can do is insult me?

As a webmaster, I can tell you that the majority of medium sized site servers are actually rented from companies like Rackshack. If you are rich enough to buy a $1,000 server up front, you still have to find a colo in which to host it. They cost money, both for the space, and more importantly, the bandwidth.

In the West (America and Europe), commercial companies operate the Internet's backbone links. They lay down a 100Gbps fibre under the Atlantic. My service provider pays them for a small portion of that bandwidth which I can then use to download sites from America. The server operator, in America, also pays them money for use of the wire, to send data to me here in the UK.

This cost is passed down from my ISP to me, and from a large server host (like Rackshack which has peering agreements with major backbone providers like C&W, Verio, UUNet, Sprint) to the server operator.

This is a simplification, but it's how the Internet works. Without server operators paying server hosts, the server hosts can't pay the backbone providers, and the whole deal starts falling apart. Eventually there'll be no-one left to fund the backbones.

You might argue that it would be better if governments paid for the backbones, and indeed in some parts of the world they do, but I think it's going to take some convincing to get Americans to pay for the Internet as part of their tax bill.

You might also argue that ISPs should pass part of my monthly bill on to Internet sites that I view to help pay for them. But this would require a major paradigm shift and most likely International treaties. Will it ever happen? Maybe. We'll see.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see an ad-free Internet where freedom of expression and not dollar signs controlled what we see. But until this happens, for the sake of poor webmasters who are taking money out of their own pay packets to pay for their small-to-medium-sized websites, whilst their jobs are under threat from outsourcing, I think I will carry on viewing adverts just to do them a favour. Block them if you wish, I just don't think it's very fair, s'all.

I've got my own domain, hosted on a server running cPanel. I initially created blackhole@mydomain.com, which cPanel lets me conviently 'forward' to :blackhole: (ie, the mail goes nowhere at all). Eventually, I realized some places (ie, AOL IM signup pages) limited how many times you could use the same address, so I created the whole subdomain of blackhole.mydomain.com.

All my friends know that mail sent there goes nowhere, so several of us use it for mail when we *know* it will serve no legitimate purpose.

I also have a catchall at my main domain (not blackhole.), so mail to any non-existant address works its way to me. This way I can give companies e-mails like amazon@mydomain.com; if they start getting spam, it's obvious where they're coming from, and then I just set up a 'redirect' again to either :fail: or :blackhole: the mail.

For those really sick of e-mail nightmares, spending $6.49 a year, plus a few bucks for hosting, is definitely worth it.

OK so that's a lot of churn, but it's still net growth. I can see his point, I guess.

Fark!

Photoshop this stupid EV1 ripoff of the CHICK-FIL-A cows.

http://ev1servers.net/images/chik_sm2.jpg

Fark!

Photoshop this stupid EV1 ripoff of the CHICK-FIL-A cows.

http://ev1servers.net/images/chik_sm2.jpg

Greg Sizemore(RIP) was the brains behind EV1Servers/Rackshack. Greg passed away last Fall and I'm sure there hasnt been much innovative growth or change on the web-hosting side of EV1.

I'm sure the deal with SCO would have never gone down had Greg still been there. EV1Servers was run by Sizemore with a hands-off, "you know what you're doing" approach from the administration. They trusted Greg and let him steer the web-hosting department's operations from a technically sound position.
After Greg's death, I'm sure Marsh thought he should muttle in EV1Servers affairs and try to be a hero. Too bad he hasn't a clue about the web-hosting business or how Greg managed things.

If he doesn't want us to think of him as a big pansy, he needs to ... actually have some balls.

"The true travesty is the way the legal system is. Complainants can file tons and tons of actions and the defendants, if they don't have the monetary resources to bombard the plaintiff, are taken advantage of in the court system. We were taken advantage of in this case because we will never recover all of our costs. We spent an excess of six figure defending this."

Or if you'd like even cheaper domains try EV1Servers at $6.49 (+tax), web.com for $6.95, Hostway for $6.95, or hell even eNom for $5.99. I've heard far too many nasty GoDaddy stories to go near that place with my domains.

Straight from the horse's mouth. Notice how he insists twice on "7 figure cash payment"

> They are not some litte ISP.

You almost had me agreeing with you until this line. They are one of the biggest providers of discounted rack servers on the planet. NetCraft apparently knows about them too, and had an interview with Marsh before this whole thing happened. They host a lot of boxes and just got done building a second data center.

There's been a whole host of developments in the ongoing SCO saga over the past couple of days. SCO have now filed law suits against Autozone and DaimlerChrysler on the same day as announcing growing operating losses. Despite securing a deal to license their IP with ev1servers, SCOsource only generated an income of $20,000 for the quarter. Today it has been revealed that Computer Associates, Questar Corp. and manufacturer Leggett & Platt Inc have all joined the ranks of SCO source licensees. Over at the Nasdaq the publicity stunts are beginning to wane thin with investors who sent SCO shares plummeting by almost 14% yesterday. In the courtroom, SCO was yesterday given 45 days to identify all specific lines of code they allege IBM put into Linux from AIX or Dynix; identify and provide with specificity all lines of code in Linux that it claims rights to.

One might note that:

• Their home page runs on a Windows server
• They highlight a "Windows Server Package" (on unknown hardware) for $89 a month on the top of their home page.
• All their other packages are more expensive. For instance, "Intel Celeron 1.7ghz" is $89/month for Windows Server 2003. It's $99 a month for a Celeron 1.3ghz and Red Hat.

So much for being a friend of Linux!

D

EV1 Forum (text below, emphasis added)

03-02-2004 06:48 AM
Additional Headsurfer Comments Regarding SCO Contract

By now, many of you have heard of our[sic] agreement with SCO. What you have probably heard, though, is misinformation about the arrangement.

We license Linux through Red Hat. They provide our distribution and support/updates for the Enterprise distribution. Plus, they do an awesome job at delivering. Their support and dedication is second to none. Our agreement with SCO is in no way any kind of indictment on Red Hat.

We did not license a linux distribution or any software covered by a referenced EULA from SCO. We did, however, license certain IP from SCO.

We fullly support the GPL and the open source movement.

It has been argued by a Linux Journal reporter that I have essentially called the various GPL Linux developers plagiarists[sic]. This is false as I would never make such a claim against them. They are some of the brightest minds for whom I hold a great deal of respect.

Other have claimed that we're essentially funding SCOs various lawsuits. This is not true. SCO already has like $60 million on hand and our small fee would not go very far defending an action such as this, much less prosecuting one.

We make no endorsement of SCO nor do we make any admission as to their claims.

HOWEVER, what we did do was make a prudent business decision based upon our circumstances and our customers needs and the need to bring certainty to their businesses.

Whatever your position on the various suits, which SCO has said will increase. These suits have a very real and significant cost, even if proven unsuccessful. These are costs we were prepared to bear as we did in the Free Speech case with CI Host. the vast majority of smaller hosts using our services do not have our resources to defend/prosecute such an action. While our decision may not be popular, it does ensure that our customers (to the extent that they operate servers in our data centers) are protected from action by SCO with respect to those servers.

No legal action is certain. The outcome of every legal action is subject to risk. (Just look at the OJ Simpson case .. who would have figured that one) There is significant risk on both sides of this equation.

In every step building the EV1 business, I've had to make decisions that I believed in my heart were in the best interests of my clients and my shareholders. My team and I have worked to bring the best possible service at the best possible price to our customers. In this case, the same decision making tools were employed and only after significant thought and analysis, an action taken.

As a result of this action, our customers can be assured that as these cases work their way through the legal system, that they[sic] have no worry that SCO will take action against them for servers in our data centers.

I do appreciate the positive comments and emails that many of you have sent as I also understand the negative positions that others have taken. We are fortunate to live in a country where it is possible to speak your mind freely.

Robert Marsh
Head Surfer

You can still get there. Back up to the root, then look for General Forums, General Comments/Suggestions. The thread you're looking for is called Why did this company by a license from SCO? I was able to get to the General Comments/Suggestions forum directly.

You can still get there. Back up to the root, then look for General Forums, General Comments/Suggestions. The thread you're looking for is called Why did this company by a license from SCO? I was able to get to the General Comments/Suggestions forum directly.

You can still get there. Back up to the root, then look for General Forums, General Comments/Suggestions. The thread you're looking for is called Why did this company by a license from SCO? I was able to get to the General Comments/Suggestions forum directly.

LOL, I know why they changed the name...they desparately need to rediscover rack-mounted servers...

Ah...nothing says "professional hosting outfit" like Home Depot shelving with tower cases piled on them and some switches sitting on top. :)

True, too bad they never have anything in stock. They've been dry since the middle of last year, AFAIR.

Sorry, take a look at this: http://www.ev1servers.net/english/aboutus/networks .asp and you will see that that Slashdot users can't even come close to affecting their datacenter. (for those who don't want to click - it's MRTG graphs of their 16 Gbps links to/from 8 separate Internet providers). Their Internet links can handle ~70,000 25KB-size page downloads per second.

> an ISP nobody ever heard of

Nobody ever heard of?! EVERYONE in the hosting industry knows of EV1Servers (aka Rackshack). They are one of the biggest providers of discounted rack servers on the planet. NetCraft apparently knows about them too, and had an interview with Marsh. The host a LOT of boxes.

They are likely the biggest provider of startup web hosting servers around. Although they aren't the cheapest around, they are probably the cheapest that still offers any level of service. I'd say anyone who hasn't heard of them probably isn't in the industry.

I"m gonna watch their WebCams and look for smoke. Looks like Data Center 3 is off the air.

• EV1 Servers provides low-cost dedicated servers for adult Webmasters

  ... "Adult customers represent a significant proportion of EV1Servers' user base," he says. "I can't give you exact stats, because we don't review and rate content hosted on our network. But I can tell you that adult users are highly valued members of our community." -- Robert Marsh, EV1 CEO.

EV1 even links to that article.

Well, here's their network status.

Seems like it's only the forums which are overloaded?

Apparently it's just a forum server that's hosed. When you direct the Slashdot firehose at a single server hosting very dynamic content, this is what you get.

Try this, it works fine.

In addition to the fact EV1Servers is supporting SCO, it has just been neatly demonstrated EV1Servers is incapable of standing up to a slashdotting.

Not so. Look at EV1's MRTG graphs -- there isn't even a blip from the slashdot effect.

All that has been demonstrated here is that the server which runs EV1's forum isn't capable of handling the load... as long as you're not hosting your web site on that server, there is no problem.

Sadly it's only their forums that are slashdotted. You can easily get to their front page without problems.

Ev1Hosting.net (formerly rackshack) used to run primarily Linux servers. They were approached by Microsoft (as many data centers have been) and Microsoft offered them a substantial discount on 2003 server because of the number of Linux servers hosting web pages vs. 2003 shown on a certain website. Microsoft also offered free 2003 server training programs to the staff at racksha... Ev1hosting.

Rumors in the industry have it that they are being used as a primary "showpiece" for Microsoft web servers.

I know this because I used to work for the competition, and Microsoft approached us with the same offer. Mind you, we all got laid off as our jobs were outsourced to India.

"And nobody should even bother to try to DDOS EV1Servers... They're swimming in bandwidth over there, and that doesn't even show the new datacenter that goes live later this week."

heh...just watch those lines on the graph go higher, as more people read the article today :)

The hosting company didn't get Slashdotted. The main website is up and it's just the one-server fourm that went down. (vBulletin can only get you so far...) I can ping my server that I have there just like nothing's going on.

Check out their homepage, they are opening a new datacenter in less than 48 hours. With thousands of servers ready to go, these should sell like hotcakes with all the free publicity. People running a business don't care about "sticking it to SCO". They want a cheap server (which EV1 offers) and this newly added protection from SCO will be seen as a bonus.

Also, someone from EV1 said on the (now Slashdotted) forum that they bought a site license, not a per server licence, so they did not pay $700 * 20,000 servers. Hell, for all we know they could have paid zero. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours, right?

And nobody should even bother to try to DDOS EV1Servers... They're swimming in bandwidth over there, and that doesn't even show the new datacenter that goes live later this week.

Speaking of Microsoft turning up in the background, SCO's new licensee, an ISP nobody ever heard of, can be found on Microsoft's website, held up as a case study, dated September 2003, of a company that thought they wanted to go to Linux and then switched back:

"EV1Servers.net Leading Hosted Service Provider Deploys Windows-based Hosting Solutions Faster than Linux-based Solutions "Business managers at EV1 Servers.net knew that there was a demand for a Microsoft Windows-based hosted service offering, but they did not think they could deploy Windows-based servers with the same speed or level of automation that they had achieved in their deployment of their traditional Linux-based systems. Yet with the introduction of the Microsoft Solution for Windows-based Hosting 2.0, which can take advantage of Automated Deployment Services (ADS)--a powerful new server purposing tool in Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition--EV1 Servers.net is finding that it can deploy a Windows-based hosting service in less than half the time it takes to deploy a similarly configured Linux system. And they can do it with much less hands-on involvement than their Linux deployments demand."

So they need a SCO IP license to run Microsoft "solutions"? Or is this another Microsoft solution for SCO? EV1's customers aren't so happy.

4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License. However, parties who have received copies, or rights, from you under this License will not have their licenses terminated so long as such parties remain in full compliance.

It'll only take about 10 seconds to identify your message and send out a template reply. Instead, head over to ev1server's live support and waste their time too.

This should be worth watching for an hour or so

I can't understand why the company wasn't linked to ...

For someone to sue them in US too
Finally SCO has sold one of their licenses to a commercial Linux user. Here is the press release
The buyer is Everyones servers, a web hoster. I wonder why This guy is doing this?