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Did you never think why the enemies of Islam at the time didn't rise up against this??

Umm, because doing so would get your head lopped off?

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In Islam, a person becomes accountable to God and a full adult after puberty.

So what?

Are you claiming that Mohamed didn't marry Aisha at six and consummate the marriage at 9, as it says in the Koran?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Ar...

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

This is very well documented time and time again, are you really claiming it didn't happen?

Perhaps Islam is not a religion based on fear like Christianity.

Yes, a lot of perhaps and maybe. Because actually google shows quite a lot of fear in the quaran. Someone even made the effort to determine the ratio being "fear" mentioned in every 10th verse. And while the latter author is clearly an opponent of islam, the first source looks quite legit. I cannot see fewer mentions of fear there than in the bible. So much for "not based on fear like Christianity".

Maybe not doing something because it is wrong is more important than not doing something due to the consequences.

Oh, they do quote consequences. Yet as I wrote, they are all surprisingly utilitarian. That fits more to secular leaders than religious ones. Especially those having the power of a feared god behind them (see above).

Perhaps the Imams also do not think they speak for Allah as Christianity seems to so often.

Yet on other not so past occasions some of the highest authorities of Sunni or Shia Islam found it appropriate to call for a holy war or murder. That is rather a lot to ask for when not being authorized by Allah to do so. Yet when speaking out against barbarism, terrorism and the killing of innocents these "legal" formalisms are suddenly important? Or is it because infidels are not innocent according to the later parts of the quaran?

start walking around outside with a bag over their head to avoid security cameras capturing images of them. Yet 'face recognition allows for covert, remote and mass capture and identification of images — and the photos that may

You mean like the Muzzies do

I've read such docs as your summary before - it's obviously an important issue. The writer rather over exerts himself:

"Aisha did not know her precise age, and in fact, it was not a feature of her socio-cultural milieu to be accurately aware of one’s age in the way that we are accustomed to in today’s bureaucratized society"

She had to have very little concept of years to mistake 6 for 16. This is contrary to the reports of her being rather intelligent. She would know from simple observation that teenagers have developed breasts and children (in those times) and preteens have neither.

I find the arguments that attempt to appease modern sensibilities on Mohammed's paedophilia and his rape of captured women (say) to be at once unconvincing and destructive of any notion that the Koran and hadith bear any plain historical verity.

My choice of webpage was simply the last one I'd read on the subject, 2 days ago.

Ignoring the discussion and focussing on the hadith quotes here http://www.faithfreedom.org/content/muhammad-pedophile . We find that the hadith reports Aisha saying she was still playing with dolls and using a play swing when the Prophet chose to consummate the marriage (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.234).

It would be quite strange for the child to be so old as you suggest and not be promised to anyone; not that that would have bothered Mohammed.

It's not all lies. This for instance is thrue: "Muhammad married a 6-year-old girl and had sex with her when she was nine."

Get informed: http://www.faithfreedom.org/

Few decades ago , and all over the world , it was legal and totally right to get married to a girl as soon as she got her menstruation because the menstruation is the last phase in puberty , consent age is different from a country to another and from a person to another , in england it was fine to get married at 2 and it happened in 1564 . Since the age of consent is variable from a person to another , its wrong to specify a constant age , instead we should make a rule that prohibits marriage unless both husbands reach puberty , whatever age that was . Farmers can specify how much time a fruit needs to ripe , but they will not harvest it until it the nature gives them the signs (color and size ).

It's not all lies. This for instance is thrue: "Muhammad married a 6-year-old girl and had sex with her when she was nine."

Get informed: http://www.faithfreedom.org/

The alternative will be Britannica.

I always tell people to check out conservapedia.com. It was started because Wikipedia is edited by YOU and YOU are too biased to provide neutral information.

Here's a section from their page on Barack Hussein Obama
(redirected from Barack Obama)

Doctors from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons have stated that Obama uses techniques of mind control in his speeches and campaign symbols. For example, one speech declared, "a light will shine down from somewhere, it will light upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will say to yourself, 'I have to vote for Barack.'"[26]

Oh my God, this is terrible! Our president is using techniques of mind control on us! What does Wikipedia have on this subject? Not a thing. Because a light shone down on YOU, YOU experienced an epiphany, and YOU said to yourself, 'I have to censor Barack's Wikipedia page.'

Obama may be the first Muslim President
The argument that Obama is a Muslim is largely based on his Islamic background. It also includes:

• Obama's background, education, and outlook are Muslim, and fewer than 1% of Muslims convert to Christianity.[28] [29]
• (more bullet points)
• Contrary to Christianity, the Islamic doctrine of taqiyya encourages adherents to deny they are Muslim if it advances the cause of Islam.
• Obama uses the Muslim Pakistani pronunciation for "Pakistan" rather than the common American one.
• (still more bullet points)
• Obama has chosen the Secret Service code name "Renegade". "Renegade" conventionally describes someone who goes against normal conventions of behavior, but its first usage was to describe someone who has turned from their religion. It is a word derived from the Spanish renegado, meaning "Christian turned Muslim."[42]
• Obama enjoyed a bigger increase in voter support in 2008 (compared to 2004) by Muslims than by any other voting group, including blacks;[43] "Muslim turnout in the U.S. elections reached 95 percent, the highest Muslim turnout in U.S. history."[44]>
• "President-elect Barack Obama has yet to attend [Sunday or Christmas] church services since winning the White House ..., a departure from the example of his two immediate predecessors."[45]
• Many atheists claim that Obama is one of them, yet he displays none of the characteristics common to atheism: Obama has not expressed offense at prayer by others, he has not promoted the theory of evolution, and he has never expressed a disdain for religious belief.

Bet you didn't know he was a Muslim. But it isn't all about religion. They also get into flag pins.

Obama wore an American flag lapel pin after 9/11, but later stopped wearing it without adequate explanation.[58] Presumably it would have hurt him with anti-military campaign donors.In 2007, at critical moments in his campaign for the nomination, Obama had difficulties securing the support of anti-war activists.

Well, Prophet Mohammed was a child molester, so I think he'd be on a sticky wicket here, so to speak.

Some other web-pages:

• http://thereligionofpeace.com/
• http://www.jihadwatch.org/
• http://www.islam-watch.org/
• http://www.faithfreedom.org/
• http://frontpagemagazine.com/
• http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/
• http://counterterrorismblog.org/

This Slashdot article is nonsense. It conveys the idea that a legitimante attack on freedom of speech is welcome when talking about islam. NO ADVERTISING is involved. This is plainly against the reasonable will of someguy to protest against a middle-age religion/teocracy model.

Make a search on ISLAM on facebook and you will see so many other grups of dedicate islamic wannabe jhiadists willing to protest against the group in question (Will to censor). We are lucky that this time in order to protest they didn't go in the streets to kill christians and/or burn churches as they usually do.

Here in Europe we live in a ridicolous situation where the muslim mayor of Brussels just negated a manifestation in support of the USA for sept.11 because of "security issues" (Brussels is practically the capital city of the EU - There in brussels islamic woman are allowed to go around in Burqa, absolutely masquerated, despite any security issue); and we witnessed 2 failed terrorists attaks in Denmark and Germany (of course both organized by muslims and all in the name of ISLAM).

Slashdot you disappoint me.

I seriously challenge you to read more information about the freedom of speech and religion in islamic countries here:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/ - There is a catch - If you can dispute that Mohammed was not a serial criminal you get $50.0000 and the site shuts down. But having seen what happened when the Pope just made a question to the islamic word i got my doubts (Yes, the usual riots, slain christians, burnt churches).

Muslims game everything for their benefit. It is written down in their scriptures. It is also written in their scriptures "not to take christians and jews as friends", "to fight them until they submit" ("islam" means "submission" BTW), "to terrorise them wherever they are", and so forth and so on. All of islam is an endless litany of hate incomprehensible to someone who is not muslim or who has not had extensive dealings with muslims. If you go here, http://www.faithfreedom.org/ you will learn more than you ever wanted to know about islam.

Wow, that sounds almost as bad as things like:

10And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.

11And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man.

12And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.

Or

19But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.

...

21And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

Or how about this little story of a raid

17That the LORD spake unto me, saying,

...

24Rise ye up, take your journey, and pass over the river Arnon: behold, I have given into thine hand Sihon the Amorite, king of Heshbon, and his land: begin to possess it, and contend with him in battle.

32Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz.

33And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.

34And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

35Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took.

3So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining.

4And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan.

5All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many.

6And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.

7But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves.

And on and on. Now here's a good one:

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Not enough?

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder

Muslims game everything for their benefit. It is written down in their scriptures. It is also written in their scriptures "not to take christians and jews as friends", "to fight them until they submit" ("islam" means "submission" BTW), "to terrorise them wherever they are", and so forth and so on. All of islam is an endless litany of hate incomprehensible to someone who is not muslim or who has not had extensive dealings with muslims. If you go here, http://www.faithfreedom.org/ you will learn more than you ever wanted to know about islam.

Muhammad's army of madmen rode out of the deserts of Arabia. They raped/conquered and enslaved the minds of all the people in the area and to this day more than 1.2 billion people have been infected with the mental disease we know as Islam.

I urge my fellow Americans to boycott all Muslim businesses and write your congressmen to stop the billions of dollars in foreign aid to Muslim countries, stop all future Muslim immigration, and BAN ISLAM. Now before you start ignorantly screaming "freedom of religion", Islam is unconstitutional, and let me explain why. Islam is a supremacist political party disguised as a religion, which discriminates against non-Muslims, women and homosexuals. The main goal of this totalitarian system is worldwide domination under Islamic law; and Islamic law is a real fun time: Muslim countries are constantly hanging women for adultery or "honor" and executing homosexuals just for being gay, and murdering Jews just for being Jewish. Women can't vote or equally testify in court and millions of Middle-Eastern Muslim women get their clitoris cut off by the age of 14. Islam is clearly unconstitutional, and if we can't ban it, then we need to change our constitution. The constitution should not be a suicide pact. Don't buy that bullshit that liberals try to sell, saying that Islam is in any way peaceful. People who blow themselves up and mutilate their daughters vaginas are obviously suffering from a mental disease. Islam calls for the subjugation or death of non-believers. Not just Christians and Jews, but all non-Muslims are at danger due to this plague on humanity. Christian schoolgirls get bombed/decapitated in Indonesia, Christian nuns get stabbed and churches burned in Egypt, Buddhists get their heads cut off in southern Thailand, Hindus beaten to death in Kashmir, black Christians castrated and put into slavery in Sudan... the list goes on forever.

In less than 50 years the Army of Muhammad conquered and enslaved people all across Africa to Asia, and even conquered Spain for 800 years. The Arab slave trade was the first slave trade, and even exists to this day in secret in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, two "close allies" of the United States.

Muhammad means The Praised One in Arabic. "The Praised One" was under the control of demons for 23 years of his life. Although nobody knows his real name, he is called the "Rasool" or Prophet. He is also referred to as al-insan al-kamil, meaning the perfect man. According to the muslims, their idea of a perfect man was one who raped little girls and decapitated Jews.

Not only was Muhammad a thief, pedophile and a rapist... he was also a mass murderer.

And if you think you can legitimately refute this claim, you are eligible to win $50,000:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

According to the demon worshippers, "Allah" is the one true God. Now Allah is pretty much Satan, but Muslims have been convinced that he is God. The pedophile and mass murderer known as Muhammad (may pig shit cover him) was a completely delusional psychopath, and Allah was his alter-ego who revealed the Koran to him in a series of revelations. So when Muhammed heard voices in his head, it was the word of God. And the way they eventually wrote it down is said to be the literal words of God. Changing a comma would be blasphemy. Here are some examples of what Muslims consider the actual words of God:

* Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (8:39)

* "God revealed His will to the angels, saying: 'I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers!' " (8:12)

* "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is f

Unfortunately it's also "objective reality" that the founder of the muslim religion, the "prophet" muhammad, was a

-> genocidal murderer
-> (incestuous) paedophile
-> thief
-> plunderer
-> gave his soldiers orders to rape captive women
-> a terrorist

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

Islam is a religion of oppression and hate. We can all sit in a happy circle and sing kumbaya wishing for peace, but that is a fantasy. The stated goal of Islam is to convert the entire world, by the sword if necessary.
I agree with the above statement, but try to back it up with evidence from koran such as:

What do you think about Koran 04:34, which instructs men to beat their disobediant wives and koran 09:29, which orders believers to fight non-believers until they pay tribute tax called jizya and feel themselves subdued: Koran 09:29 rejects Brown vs Board of Education and the decision of Thurgood Marshall and the concept of equal rights for all.
By accepting Koran and Koran 09:29, you are rejecting Brown vs Board of Education and the decision of Thurgood Marshall. Both Koran 09:29 AND Brown vs Board of Education cannot be SIMULTANEOUSLY TRUE.
I challenge you to answered my post at http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 8784
(This is from your idol quran ):
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html..00 9.029
009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Thougt Control quran style:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html..00 4.1442">
Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a clear proof against yourselves ? http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html..00 3.0282">
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah. QUESTION:would muslims accept to check a box in their income tax form and pay an extra $5000/yr and feel themselves subdued. if they are muslim? This is what koran (09/29) instructs them to do to others. QUESTION:WHAT WOULD MUSLIMS SAY IF THE BOOK OF ANOTHER RELIGION REVEALED TO THEIR PROFIT Mickey Mouse BY THEIR F FICTITIOUS SUPREME FASCIST Minnie Mouse SAYS: Fight those who believe not in Minnie Mouse nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Minnie Mouse and Her Messenger Mickey Mouse, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) muslim, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?i dx=516
http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=362
Short Article to the heart of the subject by a former muslim: Can Islam, Koran and Muhammad Command Unqualified Respect from the Westerners? http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/MAKhan60207.htm
http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/islamandu nbelievers.htm
http://www.geocities.com/humandecency
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submissio

Islam is a religion of oppression and hate. We can all sit in a happy circle and sing kumbaya wishing for peace, but that is a fantasy. The stated goal of Islam is to convert the entire world, by the sword if necessary.
I agree with the above statement, but try to back it up with evidence from koran such as:

What do you think about Koran 04:34, which instructs men to beat their disobediant wives and koran 09:29, which orders believers to fight non-believers until they pay tribute tax called jizya and feel themselves subdued: Koran 09:29 rejects Brown vs Board of Education and the decision of Thurgood Marshall and the concept of equal rights for all.
By accepting Koran and Koran 09:29, you are rejecting Brown vs Board of Education and the decision of Thurgood Marshall. Both Koran 09:29 AND Brown vs Board of Education cannot be SIMULTANEOUSLY TRUE.
I challenge you to answered my post at http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 8784
(This is from your idol quran ):
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html..00 9.029
009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Thougt Control quran style:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html..00 4.1442">
Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a clear proof against yourselves ? http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html..00 3.0282">
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah. QUESTION:would muslims accept to check a box in their income tax form and pay an extra $5000/yr and feel themselves subdued. if they are muslim? This is what koran (09/29) instructs them to do to others. QUESTION:WHAT WOULD MUSLIMS SAY IF THE BOOK OF ANOTHER RELIGION REVEALED TO THEIR PROFIT Mickey Mouse BY THEIR F FICTITIOUS SUPREME FASCIST Minnie Mouse SAYS: Fight those who believe not in Minnie Mouse nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Minnie Mouse and Her Messenger Mickey Mouse, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) muslim, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?i dx=516
http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=362
Short Article to the heart of the subject by a former muslim: Can Islam, Koran and Muhammad Command Unqualified Respect from the Westerners? http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/MAKhan60207.htm
http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/islamandu nbelievers.htm
http://www.geocities.com/humandecency
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submissio

But....but....but.....that's unpossible! Haven't you heard? Islam is a religion of peace, so surely you must be thinking of some troublemaking Jews masquerading as Muslims. And if those Muslim brothers in your town are forcing their women to cover themselves, you must realize that it's done out of respect for the women--just like a farmer respects his livestock. And for future reference, if they happen to rape any infidel women in your town, just remember: it's because they're practically begging for it by parading themselves around like uncovered meat, not because the Muslim brothers are misogynistic sickos who want to follow in the footsteps of a pedophile prophet.

Have you actually read the bible

Yes, cover to cover, as well as studying the three Abrahamic religions for several years in an academic setting. I've also read an English interpretation of the Qur'an, and texts from most other major religions.

The new testament (as in the actions of God's son himself) clearly show how to deal with those "laws".

You mean like cursing a bush (or a fig tree, depending on the translation you read) for not having any fruit? Clearly God's son is a mentally stable rôle model for us all...

Moderate christians follow the principles of the bible just as hard as other christians.

Really? I guess you missed the whole 'love thy neighbour as thyself' part; I don't remember there being an 'unless you don't like their religion' exception. Mind you, I wouldn't put it past a God who wrote 10 commandments, the first three of which were about worshipping him (or two in some translations), and who put keeping the Sabbath holy and respecting your parents higher up the list than not murdering (killing in some translations, but that removes the nice ambiguity that keeps Christians happy and able to say 'it's not murder if it's war/someone with a different religion'

muslims imitate their pedophile (aisha) mass-murdering (khaybar, amongst others) "prophet" That is the highest islamic value. Killing innocent infidels and raping their wives and children. That is what the "prophet" did. That is what they do.

Have you read the bible? An incredible amount of rape, murder, and incest go on in it. Remember how Lot was heralded as the only good man in Sodom for suggesting that the mob rape his virgin daughters? Remember how Elijah killed 500 prophets of Baal for not accepting the one true God? Sure, Jesus did the whole forgiveness routine, but there's a whole lot more in the Bible than just him. Oh, and please don't tell me 'the old testament doesn't count,' because I've read your site, and I know you wouldn't accept a similar answer from a Muslim.

If this is not true, feel free to claim this 50 grand : http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

Well, I'm not a historian, so I can't comment on the life of Mohammed. I'm also not a Muslim - I regard all religion as a form of psychosis - but growing up in the UK where there were regular (US-funded) terrorist attacks by Christians I find your kind of hate-mongering particularly distasteful. I know quite a few moderate Muslims who are rational, compassionate people who never try to push their faith on anyone. Of course, you can argue that they are not 'Real Muslims,' but in that case I think you will find that very few 'Real Muslims' exist outside theocratic regimes.

So ? Have you actually read the bible, instead of just hitting "search" or looking up what some muslim sites say about it ?

The new testament (as in the actions of God's son himself) clearly show how to deal with those "laws". Moderate christians follow the principles of the bible just as hard as other christians.

muslims imitate their pedophile (aisha) mass-murdering (khaybar, amongst others) "prophet". That is the highest islamic value. Killing innocent infidels and raping their wives and children. That is what the "prophet" did. That is what they do.

If this is not true, feel free to claim this 50 grand : http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

Where does the bible pretend to be the literal word of god ?

The guiding principle of christianity is simple :
      do onto others as you would have them do onto you.

The guiding principle of islam is also very simple :
      do onto others as the pedophile mass-murdering prophet did onto others

http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=15522

and then the actual real-life observation ... since 9/11 there have been 6521 attacks on innocents by muslims, averaging 30 dead per attack. In fact muslims killed more infidels (and other muslims) since 9/11 than even the lancet's estimates of casualties in iraq

If this is distortion ... this money would be trivial to claim :
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

Yes I'm going to tell you that prophet was
1. a pedophile : he fucked a girl called "aisha" when she was 7 year old
2. a person who murdered hundreds of people in cold blood, when they were no threat to him : khaybar, the rounded up all the men there, had them dig their own grave in the center of medina, and had them beheaded before his eyes one by one. Then he ordered muslims to rape their women.

Why don't you start by checking if these facts are true. If they're not ... well that will be an easy 50 grand for you : http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

About the pricing inversion, no I don't believe it. Obviously. Even the presence of the bottles would be a clear violation of palestine's law (not beating your wife regularly would be another violation). That's islam. The "religion of peace" ( http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ then why does "islam" mean submission, opression in arabic ?)

Wrong on both counts. You can, however, be a hypocrite. Many claim to be muslims who in fact, are not (in fact that's probably 95% of all muslims, just read a saudi blog for example, or notice the idiotic hypocrisy in a palestinian terrorist throwing a molotov cocktail in a BEER BOTTLE to an Israeli soldier). Problem is that they do believe in applying that law.

A muslim recites the basic tenet of islam, which implies following the koran and surah.

And then you have these muslims :
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/Sunshine5 0910.htm

And there's tons of them.

In Egypt, a muslim country, police brutality is government policy, not some idiot running out of line, like it is in the US.

And Egypt is the second most moderate muslim country there is.

Read how the police responds in a moderate muslim country :
http://forsoothsayer.blogspot.com/2006/10/mass-sex ual-assault-in-downtown-cairo.html

Read how the police responds in a reasonably muslim country :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saudi _Arabia

Do I really need to provide a link to what happens in a really muslim country, like palestine or afghanistan or pakistan ? Do you want to see ?

Why does this happen ? Here's one opinion :
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

I understand that you speak as an expert on Islam.

Counter-argument here, as well as the rest of that website.

Apparently you don't read the cartoons.
Quick someone protest!

JihadWatch.org

FaithFreedom.org

An thread at ESR's blog

Sure,sure, and Israelis are secretly trying to poison muslims and secrtetly conspire to take over the world, right?

So much for terrorist propaganda. Islamic fundamentalists are victims only in their own minds.

Godhra was a legitimate retaliation for a massacre started by muslims when they set fire to a tain consisting of Hindus, leading to women and children being burnt alive.

  Like I said before, muslim mobs murder hindus, we retaliate tenfold. Same as the US did in Afghanistan after 9/11.

  I know you muslims hate Hindus. No flaw in that. We all need somebody to hate, and it hasn't been one day in a thousand years when muslims didn't houst a few drinks and attack Hindus on the streets. It gave life meaning to so many of them...

  Enjoy yourselves. At this point we are sufficiently powerful and well-connected to not care about what you think.

This is what they did to us:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/terror.htm

It is actually well-documented that Mohammed had sex with a 9-year old. The New Media article may have been inaccurate in parts or rabble-rousing, but it was quite correct about Mohammed having been a pedofile.

Documentation backing this is at http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.h tm (yes, I know it is an Islam-bashing site. But it uses straightforward evidence from islamic scriptures to present the case - it really can't be interpreted any other way).

Problem is, it comes from a not quaran verse and there are translation issues.

It is a history text written years after mohammed died, so that may make it less "valid" but most sites I read support that mohammed had sex with his nine year old wife. You won't see that on CNN...

http://www.wiki.faithfreedom.org/index.php/Consumm ate

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsun nah/bukhari/sbtintro.html

Faith Freedom site of Ali Sina
TheReligionOfPeace
EuroJihad (in polish)
Cox & Forkum (funny drawings)
JihadWatch
PravdaOIslamu (in czech)
Saudi blogger
Egyptian blogger
Hizb-ut-Tahrir Islamic site

Short Article to the heart of the subject by a former muslim: Can Islam, Koran and Muhammad Command Unqualified Respect from the Westerners?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/MAKhan60207.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.faithfreedom.org/ http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 16317 http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p= 269251#269251
The following
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?i dx=516 should be the object of protest NOT Cartoons.
You should familiarize yourself with what the koran has in store for you:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight=
koran 09:29 orders believers to fight non-believers until they pay tribute tax called jizya and feel themselves subdued: http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/islamandu nbelievers.htm "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Qur'an 9:29. Under Islam, Jews and Christians had three choices: convert to Islam, retain their religion and pay tax or fight. Pagans and atheists had two choices Islam or the sword.
Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said: "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him'." Sahih Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 84, Num. 57. Also Vol. 9, Book 83 Num.17. Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him ( as it is ) the verdict of Allah and his Apostle." Bukhari Vol .9, Book 89, Num. 271. I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." Sahih Bukhari Vol.6, Book 61, Num. 577. islam is offensive. also, koran says if you obey Mo, you obey god and Mo is perfect and a model for humans for all times. Mo ordered the assassination of at least 2 people whose only guilt is they criticized him: Asmat bint Marwan and Kaab ibn Ashraf He ordered the execution of 600 jews from the tribe of banu qureiza (all males above 12) check also http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.sudanactivism.com/speakers.html

Short Article to the heart of the subject by a former muslim: Can Islam, Koran and Muhammad Command Unqualified Respect from the Westerners?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/MAKhan60207.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.faithfreedom.org/ http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 16317 http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p= 269251#269251
The following
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?i dx=516 should be the object of protest NOT Cartoons.
You should familiarize yourself with what the koran has in store for you:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight=
koran 09:29 orders believers to fight non-believers until they pay tribute tax called jizya and feel themselves subdued: http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/islamandu nbelievers.htm "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Qur'an 9:29. Under Islam, Jews and Christians had three choices: convert to Islam, retain their religion and pay tax or fight. Pagans and atheists had two choices Islam or the sword.
Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said: "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him'." Sahih Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 84, Num. 57. Also Vol. 9, Book 83 Num.17. Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him ( as it is ) the verdict of Allah and his Apostle." Bukhari Vol .9, Book 89, Num. 271. I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." Sahih Bukhari Vol.6, Book 61, Num. 577. islam is offensive. also, koran says if you obey Mo, you obey god and Mo is perfect and a model for humans for all times. Mo ordered the assassination of at least 2 people whose only guilt is they criticized him: Asmat bint Marwan and Kaab ibn Ashraf He ordered the execution of 600 jews from the tribe of banu qureiza (all males above 12) check also http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.sudanactivism.com/speakers.html

Short Article to the heart of the subject by a former muslim: Can Islam, Koran and Muhammad Command Unqualified Respect from the Westerners?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/MAKhan60207.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.faithfreedom.org/ http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 16317 http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p= 269251#269251
The following
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?i dx=516 should be the object of protest NOT Cartoons.
You should familiarize yourself with what the koran has in store for you:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight=
koran 09:29 orders believers to fight non-believers until they pay tribute tax called jizya and feel themselves subdued: http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/islamandu nbelievers.htm "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Qur'an 9:29. Under Islam, Jews and Christians had three choices: convert to Islam, retain their religion and pay tax or fight. Pagans and atheists had two choices Islam or the sword.
Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said: "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him'." Sahih Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 84, Num. 57. Also Vol. 9, Book 83 Num.17. Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him ( as it is ) the verdict of Allah and his Apostle." Bukhari Vol .9, Book 89, Num. 271. I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." Sahih Bukhari Vol.6, Book 61, Num. 577. islam is offensive. also, koran says if you obey Mo, you obey god and Mo is perfect and a model for humans for all times. Mo ordered the assassination of at least 2 people whose only guilt is they criticized him: Asmat bint Marwan and Kaab ibn Ashraf He ordered the execution of 600 jews from the tribe of banu qureiza (all males above 12) check also http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.sudanactivism.com/speakers.html

Short Article to the heart of the subject by a former muslim: Can Islam, Koran and Muhammad Command Unqualified Respect from the Westerners?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/MAKhan60207.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.faithfreedom.org/ http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 16317 http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p= 269251#269251
The following
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?i dx=516 should be the object of protest NOT Cartoons.
You should familiarize yourself with what the koran has in store for you:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight=
koran 09:29 orders believers to fight non-believers until they pay tribute tax called jizya and feel themselves subdued: http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/islamandu nbelievers.htm "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Qur'an 9:29. Under Islam, Jews and Christians had three choices: convert to Islam, retain their religion and pay tax or fight. Pagans and atheists had two choices Islam or the sword.
Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said: "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him'." Sahih Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 84, Num. 57. Also Vol. 9, Book 83 Num.17. Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him ( as it is ) the verdict of Allah and his Apostle." Bukhari Vol .9, Book 89, Num. 271. I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." Sahih Bukhari Vol.6, Book 61, Num. 577. islam is offensive. also, koran says if you obey Mo, you obey god and Mo is perfect and a model for humans for all times. Mo ordered the assassination of at least 2 people whose only guilt is they criticized him: Asmat bint Marwan and Kaab ibn Ashraf He ordered the execution of 600 jews from the tribe of banu qureiza (all males above 12) check also http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.sudanactivism.com/speakers.html

Short Article to the heart of the subject by a former muslim: Can Islam, Koran and Muhammad Command Unqualified Respect from the Westerners?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/MAKhan60207.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.faithfreedom.org/ http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 16317 http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p= 269251#269251
The following
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?i dx=516 should be the object of protest NOT Cartoons.
You should familiarize yourself with what the koran has in store for you:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight=
koran 09:29 orders believers to fight non-believers until they pay tribute tax called jizya and feel themselves subdued: http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/islamandu nbelievers.htm "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Qur'an 9:29. Under Islam, Jews and Christians had three choices: convert to Islam, retain their religion and pay tax or fight. Pagans and atheists had two choices Islam or the sword.
Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said: "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him'." Sahih Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 84, Num. 57. Also Vol. 9, Book 83 Num.17. Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him ( as it is ) the verdict of Allah and his Apostle." Bukhari Vol .9, Book 89, Num. 271. I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." Sahih Bukhari Vol.6, Book 61, Num. 577. islam is offensive. also, koran says if you obey Mo, you obey god and Mo is perfect and a model for humans for all times. Mo ordered the assassination of at least 2 people whose only guilt is they criticized him: Asmat bint Marwan and Kaab ibn Ashraf He ordered the execution of 600 jews from the tribe of banu qureiza (all males above 12) check also http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.sudanactivism.com/speakers.html

Short Article to the heart of the subject by a former muslim: Can Islam, Koran and Muhammad Command Unqualified Respect from the Westerners?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/MAKhan60207.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.faithfreedom.org/ http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 16317 http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p= 269251#269251
The following
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?i dx=516 should be the object of protest NOT Cartoons.
You should familiarize yourself with what the koran has in store for you:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight=
koran 09:29 orders believers to fight non-believers until they pay tribute tax called jizya and feel themselves subdued: http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/islamandu nbelievers.htm "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Qur'an 9:29. Under Islam, Jews and Christians had three choices: convert to Islam, retain their religion and pay tax or fight. Pagans and atheists had two choices Islam or the sword.
Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said: "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him'." Sahih Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 84, Num. 57. Also Vol. 9, Book 83 Num.17. Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him ( as it is ) the verdict of Allah and his Apostle." Bukhari Vol .9, Book 89, Num. 271. I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." Sahih Bukhari Vol.6, Book 61, Num. 577. islam is offensive. also, koran says if you obey Mo, you obey god and Mo is perfect and a model for humans for all times. Mo ordered the assassination of at least 2 people whose only guilt is they criticized him: Asmat bint Marwan and Kaab ibn Ashraf He ordered the execution of 600 jews from the tribe of banu qureiza (all males above 12) check also http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.sudanactivism.com/speakers.html

Short Article to the heart of the subject by a former muslim: Can Islam, Koran and Muhammad Command Unqualified Respect from the Westerners?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/MAKhan60207.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.faithfreedom.org/ http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 16317 http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p= 269251#269251
The following
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?i dx=516 should be the object of protest NOT Cartoons.
You should familiarize yourself with what the koran has in store for you:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight=
koran 09:29 orders believers to fight non-believers until they pay tribute tax called jizya and feel themselves subdued: http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/islamandu nbelievers.htm "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Qur'an 9:29. Under Islam, Jews and Christians had three choices: convert to Islam, retain their religion and pay tax or fight. Pagans and atheists had two choices Islam or the sword.
Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said: "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him'." Sahih Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 84, Num. 57. Also Vol. 9, Book 83 Num.17. Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him ( as it is ) the verdict of Allah and his Apostle." Bukhari Vol .9, Book 89, Num. 271. I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." Sahih Bukhari Vol.6, Book 61, Num. 577. islam is offensive. also, koran says if you obey Mo, you obey god and Mo is perfect and a model for humans for all times. Mo ordered the assassination of at least 2 people whose only guilt is they criticized him: Asmat bint Marwan and Kaab ibn Ashraf He ordered the execution of 600 jews from the tribe of banu qureiza (all males above 12) check also http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 12658&highlight= http://www.sudanactivism.com/speakers.html

Muslims also don't have much of a grasp of their history either. Islam's idea that they are descended from Avraham is equally ridiculous. Islam is descended from the pagan idolatry of the arabs.

Mohammed borrowed the idea of monotheism from the Jews, and then twisted the ideas of judaism to try to reduce or eliminate it's pervasive influence in the region during his time. The muslims don't read the Torah. Their religious texts is the writings of Mohammed.

Much like the Christians borrowed many of the pagan holidays and replaced them with Christian holidays.. to reduce or eliminate the pervasive influence of pagan worship in their midst.

Muslims actually originally worshipped 360 gods. Their god Sin aka Hubul, was the god of the moon. Was later called al-ilah, or the one god. That is why atop the minarettes of muslim temples, there is a crescent moon. Read more about the pagan history of islam.

The idea that islam had anything to do with judiasm before mohammed is complete ignorance or insanity. Not that islam or christianity re bad relgions, but attempting to legitimize their beliefs by twisted the history of judiasm is foolishness. Let them stand on their own merit.

Many of these 20 are outright wrong. Trying to rewrite history are we?

See here how these iventions are debunked by facts: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 18360&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

It's a forum, ignore the irrelevant posts and look at the facts, they are all backed by independent historic sources.

To my knowledge, not only is that not the case, but it would be blasphemy for a Muslim to believe that. I'm quite sure they are much like many other religions in that they believe that only God is perfect.
From wikipedia: Hadith
Muslim scholars classify hadith relating to Muhammad as follows:
* What Muhammad said (qawl, )
* What Muhammad did (fi'l, )
* What Muhammad approved (taqrir, ) in others' actions.

If Mohammad was not perfect (or near perfect), why would what he approved in other's actions, or what he did be so important. Furthermore, His life constitutes the highest ideal, the perfect example, and the concrete instance of his Lord's command (M.H. Haykal, page-296-297).

Yep. Colossians. Timothy has additional instructions for how slaves should behave.
I looked it up (never having read the New Testament as I am not a Christian or that interested in Christian theology), and this is what I found:
Colossians 3:22. Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh: not serving to the eye, as pleasing men: but in simplicity of heart, fearing God.
Now, I'm not sure what it is supposed to mean, but the term used is servant, instead of slave, which refers to a completely different relationship between the master and the individual. Now, granted, we don't know what the original Koine Greek word was, but it seems that at least the version of the New Testament that a lot of English speaking Christians use does not refer to slavery, as you insinuated.

In the parable, he neither supports nor condemns slavery, but it is a parable.
Then what's the problem? As for the other ones, you'll have to find them for me. Anyways, my original point remains: Jesus did not own slaves, unlike Mohammad, and even if he did, it would in no way make Mohammad's actions more respectable. You haven't addressed this point, just as you have not addressed many of my other points.

That can be said of virtually any major religion, including Islam. Note the differences between Shi'ites, Sunnis, and Sufis.
My point was that the Catholic Church's more questionable actions were not supported by Christian scripture, but rather by their own dogma. Shiites and Sunnis all both believe in the Holy Quran and the Hadith as far as I know, and therein lies the problem, as both the Quran and the Hadith have a lot of questionable content, including Mohammad engaging in sexual intercourse with a nine year old e.g.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88 Narrated 'Urwa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Link

And the Roman Catholic church was virtually all of Christianity -- particularly in Europe -- for much of the past two millenia.
And the veneer of education slips away. Need I remind you of Orthodox Christianity? And where it not for Islam, there would have been more Christians still including Copts (most of which are now miraculously dead).

Has nothing to do with slavery or religion.
I'm pretty sure that slavery is the antithesis of freedom. As such, the phrase "Life free or die" does have quite a bit so do with slavery. It embodies a philosophy whereby one refuses to life as a slave, regardless of how pleasant the master treats you; you attempted to defend Islam by stating that Islam compels people to treat slaves nicely -- whatever that means. If you believe that there is any merit to that sort of life, then you and I have diametrically opposed personal philosophies.

Oh, please! You sound ... well, rather like a Muslim fundamentalist

The difference is Islam is a faith of hate mongers that feed on hate and violence. Not to mention the fact the pervert they worship was a child molester, a murderer and a thief. Want proof? Here you go: http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm Is there any wonder why this group must all be added to the terrorist list with these beliefs? Read the website. It's all factual information straight from the very book Muslims hold so dear.

...its clear you don't know anything about islam. your obviously been fooled to see them as a poor abused religion. read their bible and come up with your own conclusions. better yet, go here and debate your knowledge:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/

"The unfortunate part is that one extremist is often far louder than 50 million decent people."

define decent..
sounds like you define decent people as people who follow a person who is:

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a ruthless torturer
a terrorist (I have been made victorious through terror)
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a thief and plunderer
a cult leader
a mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies).

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm == source

> That means that he seriously believes that the people
> opposing us would stop if they just heard how nice we are

Bush needs to also be concerned about winning the hearts and minds of non-Arab people. The horrible things that go on behind closed doors of Islamic fundamentalist regimes is truly heartbreaking. You don't need to lie to get our point across, and currently Western media does an incredibly crappy job of covering it:

http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=reali mpact/memri/memri_10-30-02_01.rm&screensize=double
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=669
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/smalltownusa-4.asp
http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Announcement/601081013 .htm

My bet 100% of the news watching majority that use TV as their only source of information have never seen any of the above.

Rumsfeld's tactics of winning the hearts and minds is a vital part of what the Bush Doctrine is trying to achieve. It's something we should have been focused on all along.

> That means that he seriously believes that the people
> opposing us would stop if they just heard how nice we are

Bush needs to also be concerned about winning the hearts and minds of non-Arab people. The horrible things that go on behind closed doors of Islamic fundamentalist regimes is truly heartbreaking. You don't need to lie to get our point across, and currently Western media does an incredibly crappy job of covering it:

http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=reali mpact/memri/memri_10-30-02_01.rm&screensize=double
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=669
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/smalltownusa-4.asp
http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Announcement/601081013 .htm

My bet 100% of the news watching majority that use TV as their only source of information have never seen any of the above.

Rumsfeld's tactics of winning the hearts and minds is a vital part of what the Bush Doctrine is trying to achieve. It's something we should have been focused on all along.

course they wouldn't be lying now would they

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= 178

http://skender.be/supportdenmark/MohammedDrawings. jpg
http://www.antibuerokratieteam.de/wp-content/moham med_alle.jpg
http://www.stefan-herre.de/mohammed_karikaturen.jp g
http://www.welt.de/z/photos/index.php/item/karikat uren/
http://www.di2.nu/files/Muhammed_Cartoons_Jyllands _Posten.html
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/28.htm
http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm
http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Jyll ands-Posten_Muhammad_drawings.jpg

And some more links (page in Swedish):
http://www.flashback.se/showarticle.php?id=58

There are only TWO ways to stop terrorism: 1) Find them and kill them BEFORE they act (only works for small, geographically concentrated groups.) 2) Remove the social and political reasons for their acts.