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Are they taking over for the Navy?
Looking Glass was a pretty serious project, before the Air Force passed it on to the Navy. I hope Sun doesn't screw it up...
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Re:Rockets are dangerous
It isn't a scud, but the V2 rockets weren't happily received either.
Funny you should mention scud and the V-2 - they actually are V-2 derivatives.
Like all tools, they can be used for good (think of the pioneering space research that was done in New Mexico with captured V-2s) or evil. Sadly, this seems to have been forgotten in some circles.
...laura
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Re:Why not?The man war brutal and evil, but keeping him in power probably would have helped us in the War on Terror.
You have it backwards. Saddam was a participant in the War on Terror, on the side of the terrorists.
He was paying $25,000 each to the families of suicide bombers who completed their attacks.
Members of Saddam's secret police were members of Al Qaeda.
Remember the World Trade Center bombing? Read the previous link, it is scary has hell. Iraq apparently had a hand in it and sheltered one of the plotters.
And then there was Iraq's plans to attack the US:June 19, 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin yesterday buttressed President Bush's claim that Iraq posed a direct threat to America by saying Russian intelligence was tipped off that Saddam Hussein was preparing anti-American attacks after 9/11.
Putin said the warning was relayed to Bush, who personally thanked one of Russia's spy chiefs for it.
And then there are Zarqawi and Abu Nidal , two of the most blood-thirsty savages engaging in terrorism, both of whom found a home in Iraq.
No, I'm afraid you have it backwards, Saddam was both a participant and an enabler of terrorism. We did the right thing just based on terrorism.
That is not even considering the many banned activities going on in Iraq in defiance of the UN. Read David Kay's report sometime, or some of the other UN material. For your convenience, here is an excert from his statement:We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN. Let me just give you a few examples of these concealment efforts, some of which I will elaborate on later:
- A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.
- A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.
- Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.
- New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.
- Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).
- A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.
- Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.
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Re:Suggestion for their autoexec.cfg
Famous navy personnel like USS Jim Greer or USS Bart Mancuso
From the Federation of American Scientists:
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Re:At first i thought this post was stupidThanks. And here it is with the HTML active.
:)This evening, I learned that one meter equals 39.3700787 inches. While this may come as no surprise to some people, it was one to me - for years, I had mistakenly believed a meter was 39.77 inches, and now I know it's basically 39.37.
Of course, I'm not alone in my confusion. A bit of research on Google revealed quite a few different conversions from meters to inches. Here are some of them:
- 38 inches according to a page at Arkansas State University and another at Microflex Technologies.
- 38.16 inches according to a rounding-happy math teacher at Norfolk Collegiate School in Virginia.
- 38.37 inches according to Honeywell's Sensotec folks.
- 38.8 inches according to some numerological babble
- 39 inches according to Fife Products and some folks who sell quilting products.
- 39.14 inches according to the specifications on a measuring wheel for engineers. (uh-oh!)
- 39.15 inches according to an October 30 2002 entry in a blog.
- 39.21 inches according to Richard Bowles.
- 39.27 inches according to pages at University of Wisconsin Stevens Point and the National Optical Astronomy Observatory.
- 39.28 inches according to Jonathan Brooks at Penn State University.
- 39.3 inches according to some laser folks.
- 39.34 inches according to a page about photography, and another about a role-playing game. Hey, it's only a game, their meters can be whatever length they want.
- 39.36 inches according to some ham radio sorts and some NASA folks among others. Pretty close... but... shouldn't NASA know better by now?
- 39.38 inches according to people who race 1-meter model yachts, talk about prehistory in California, and, um, other NASA folks. Again, pretty close!
- 39.39 inches according to someone ranting against metric (how ironic), as well as a page about UFOs.
- 39.4 inches according to a list of conversions from a company that makes electric motors and such things, and the Secretary of the Navy.
- 39.45 inches according to a set of math problems f
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Supporting Data ??? [Re:You have no idea what ...]The main reasons Bush invaded was to:
Avenge the threats against his father
... disregard due to no links to supporting data and it contradicts the available evidence Joint Authorization and US Public Law 105-338 and UN Report on Subject (read all 17-pages :-) and UN Resolutions violated by Iraq (btw, each resolution had 'diplo-speak' as in "serious consequences" authorizing war - don't say the US did it without the UN ;-)Look good to the world for booting Hussein. Opps, that didn't work out to[o] well.
... disregard due to no link(s) to supporting data ... BTW, it didn't work out too well in post-Nazi Europe/Japan eitherGet a [childish expletive deleted]load of money to Halliburton and make him and Cheney some big ass bucks. Didn't you know that Bush also owns a large amount of Halliburton stock?
... disregard due to there being no evidence that Bush Jr. ownes any Halliburton stock Bush 2003 Tax Return ... perform further research with respect to Cheney due to an "it's a stretch" connection Cheney 2003 Tax Return ... and also here leading to:The forms Thursday showed he collected $162,392 in deferred compensation [think 401k - therefore this is not the big bad Halliburton connection you claim] from Halliburton Co., the Dallas-based energy services company he headed until Aug. 16, 2000. Cheney elected in 1998 to recoup over five years a portion of the money he made in 1999 as chief executive officer of Halliburton
... SUGGESTION: you should chat with some HR compensation folk who can explain this other "deferred compensation" plan (its the 'other' 401k the HR types don't talk about to individual contributors). Most companies have this 'other' 401k plan - lucrative but very restrictive tax-wise - perhaps almost like a blind-trust. However, IANAL also IANACPAFrom Christopher Hitchens' review of "Unfairenheit 9/11":
The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism . Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists , one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States
... (Orwell's Notes on Nationalism in May 1945) ... and still more from "Orwell's Notes on Nationalism" ... thank you Chris Hitchens from tickling my intellect such that I dug for more info ... love the internet -
Supporting Data ??? [Re:You have no idea what ...]The main reasons Bush invaded was to:
Avenge the threats against his father
... disregard due to no links to supporting data and it contradicts the available evidence Joint Authorization and US Public Law 105-338 and UN Report on Subject (read all 17-pages :-) and UN Resolutions violated by Iraq (btw, each resolution had 'diplo-speak' as in "serious consequences" authorizing war - don't say the US did it without the UN ;-)Look good to the world for booting Hussein. Opps, that didn't work out to[o] well.
... disregard due to no link(s) to supporting data ... BTW, it didn't work out too well in post-Nazi Europe/Japan eitherGet a [childish expletive deleted]load of money to Halliburton and make him and Cheney some big ass bucks. Didn't you know that Bush also owns a large amount of Halliburton stock?
... disregard due to there being no evidence that Bush Jr. ownes any Halliburton stock Bush 2003 Tax Return ... perform further research with respect to Cheney due to an "it's a stretch" connection Cheney 2003 Tax Return ... and also here leading to:The forms Thursday showed he collected $162,392 in deferred compensation [think 401k - therefore this is not the big bad Halliburton connection you claim] from Halliburton Co., the Dallas-based energy services company he headed until Aug. 16, 2000. Cheney elected in 1998 to recoup over five years a portion of the money he made in 1999 as chief executive officer of Halliburton
... SUGGESTION: you should chat with some HR compensation folk who can explain this other "deferred compensation" plan (its the 'other' 401k the HR types don't talk about to individual contributors). Most companies have this 'other' 401k plan - lucrative but very restrictive tax-wise - perhaps almost like a blind-trust. However, IANAL also IANACPAFrom Christopher Hitchens' review of "Unfairenheit 9/11":
The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism . Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists , one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States
... (Orwell's Notes on Nationalism in May 1945) ... and still more from "Orwell's Notes on Nationalism" ... thank you Chris Hitchens from tickling my intellect such that I dug for more info ... love the internet -
Countermeasures for super cavitating torpedoes!Looks like this baby has enough force that you could kill one of these 230 mph torpedoes that the Russians have been working on. I don't think that regular anti-missle countermeasures have enough force to destroy targets that are deep underwater. The splash from this thing might cause your boat to tip a little.
Hehe.. This thing is so powerful that it might even make a good anti-satellite weapon!
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Re:Sound familiar?
Internal passports were used by the Soviet security organs to control the population. Everyone was issued one and it had an enormous impact on your life. Since the system changed only about the time the Soviet Union dissolved, I can only assume you are either trolling or lying. What is sad is that so many people on Slashdot were taken in by it.
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Re:Why the Army?
The army can have small fixed wing aircraft. I belive the RC-12, used at least in Guardrail, is the largest plane the army is alowed to operate.
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lift technology
It'll be interesting to see the implications of this and future private spaceflight from a national security point of view. Spacelift technology is remarkably similar to that of intercontinental ballistic missiles. Many existing lift vehicles, such as the Titan and Delta family, have their roots in modified ICBMs.
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lift technology
It'll be interesting to see the implications of this and future private spaceflight from a national security point of view. Spacelift technology is remarkably similar to that of intercontinental ballistic missiles. Many existing lift vehicles, such as the Titan and Delta family, have their roots in modified ICBMs.
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Re:Posse Comitatus Act of 1878Intelligence oversite is covered under Executive Order 12333. The Army has a good web site explaining intelligence oversight. The military is subject to more oversight than you think.
I did search through the bill again and didn't see any references to EO 12333. My guess (this is only a guess) is that EO 12333 and the Posse Comitatus Act are specifically not mentioned to avoid drawing any attention to the fact that this ACT tries to circumvent or remove the limitations that those two impose. Mentioning them would get the media's attention who would then start talking about the abuses of the FBI and the military in the 60's and 70's, which was the reason President Reagan issued EO 12333. But his is just a guess.
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Comparing like with like
That's not evidence of Dubya's virtue, that's evidence of the virtue of the US system, which at least makes an attempt at guaranteeing free elections, and prohibits staying in for more than two terms. Saddam racked up the bodycount that he did because he's been in since 1978.
And the US system also ensures that the power is spread across a cabinet. So it's meaningless to compare a US President's criminal record with that of an Iraqi dictator, who has no "last-call" bell when 8 years are up. Rather, the comparison should be between the current cabinet and Saddam: Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Negroponte , etc.
"Last I checked there weren't any mass graves filled with turkish insurgents on GWB's resume."
If you're talking about the Kurds, I would give several people in the current White House full credit for their part in this. And full credit for helping Saddam brutally crush the Shia uprising too, ensuring that he stayed in power.
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Re:X-PrizeFunny. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? I wonder.
The first site talks about launching a nuclear powered factory to mars to produce methane-based rocket fuel.
Methane is a LOUSY rocket fuel.
Does it say it can't be used as a rocket fuel? No, it's not ideal, but it's much easier to produce on Mars, and it has been used as a rocket propellant before. Have you ever heard the saying, the best is the enemy of the good? Sometimes you can use a merely good enough solution rather than wait for a technically superior one. Or do you think we should wait to develop anti-gravity first?
Well no. The NTP engine was NOT developed to near-flight status. It was never physically constructed, let alone tested. The operation of this device violates most nuclear test ban treaties, and operating one withing the Van Allen belt would eventually contaminate the Earth's surface with nuclear material.
The only nuclear propulsion system which of necessity would contaminate its surroundings is Orion. But NTP (eg Nerva) uses a nuclear reactor to expel any propellant you like (best with hydrogen though). The propellant in the basic design does get somewhat contaminated, but this can be eliminated using modfied designs. (BTW, that "almost humerous" site you mention is NASA's. Of course, you're smarter than they are
...) And FYI they did build and fire test rigs on the ground which showed that engineering-wise the principle is sound, but did not get a chance to test it in space before the program was cancelled.Even with this wonderous (but never actually built) form of propulsion, you merely cut down the amount of fuel. It still takes 6 months to get there because any faster or slower and you are increasing the distance to be traversed. Indeed the one study still has the same travel times I was talking about EVEN WITH THE NUCLEAR ENGINE.
Um, and so? Is there some law of physics which says a trip has to be made within a certain number of days? Why are you so hung up on the length of the trip? (Yes, I've read your original post about putting the astronauts to sleep and whatnot. I'm not sure why you think these issues are showstoppers when nobody in the field seems to.) And why do you think cutting down on the amount of fuel is a trivial concern? The more fuel you carry, the more fuel you have to carry to push THAT around. The point is to make the spacecraft smaller, lighter and CHEAPER. That's why we haven't gone to Mars, because every proposed mission from von Braun onwards has come with a $500 billion price tag attached to build some massive spacecraft, not because its "damn near impossible". Zubrin's plan can get it done much cheaper.
BTW, your "because any faster or slower and you are increasing the distance to be traversed" is silly. The standard 260 day travel time is the Hohmann minimum energy transfer orbit. If you burn more energy and go faster, you can indeed get there a lot quicker (you'll just have to burn even more to match orbits when you get there).
I don't get people like you. We can't do something right now, therefore it's impossible or not worth the attempt. With an ounce of imagination and historical awareness, you'd see how ridiculous this is.
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Re:Speaking of censorship....
I'm also fairly certain that not many Japanese learn about the fact that Between 1932 and 1945 Japan experiments included testing biological weapons on humans, and attacked 11 Chinese cities with biological weapons.
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Re:Not the first
The headline is not quite right. First off, the first stealth ship was the U.S. Navy's Sea Shadow, but it is only a technology testbed and demonstrator. This is the first stealth ship to see operational service.
No, it's not. The Israali Eliat-class corvettes have been in service since 1993. The USN Arleigh Burke class destroyers have been in service since 1991 with stealth 'features', although not a fully stealth warship. -
Re:Doesn't the US have a stealth Ship?
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Re:This is not the first stealth ship.
Linkified Stealth Boat Link More Pics More Pics
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Re:Doubtful
The car also plays a key roll
Exactly. Remember playing with you first RC car? It got stuck on all sorts of things and flipped over and got stuck upside down.
Then they came up with those dual track-driven machines that didn't even have servos, just cheap DC motors. Not only did they do all steering via the "tank-treads", but by designing the body to fit between the belt/track/treads, the designers ensured the machine could be flipped completely over without getting stuck. Not to mention that it navigate terrain much more treacherous than a wheeled RC car.
Actually, many vehicles that navigate extreme terrain or that are required to have extreme durability or strength use tracks.
This reminds me that our hilariously 6-wheeled mars rover can't even navigate a loose 25 degree slope.. heh.. even jeeps can do that! -
Re:Could someone...
Tell that to the Russian Navy. They just had a misfire of one of their Cold War era manufactured ICBMs a couple of weeks ago. Dnepr, also known as the SS-18 Satan ICBM, was signed out of use by Reagan and Gorbachev. These launchers are old refurbished ICBMs people.
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Re:Comparison of US and China
Yes, but that's enerving a lot of people outside of the US. Seeing the US goverment demand that a US spy be returned immediatly while prosecuting a foreign spy caught in the US, is totally unfair and causes unease around the world.
I'd like references the the specific cases you have in mind.
None-the-less... this is how the spy game runs. Its been happening for decades throughout the Cold War. Some spys are shipped out of country. Some are traded. Some are caught and tried. Some disappear, never to be seen again. It's happened to any nationality involved in espionage. "Fair" has nothing to do with it.
Hey, we are supposed to be allies of the US and we're in the NATO together, yet the US is spying on European countries as well (remember Carnivore?). This is a huge insult for us, the socalled friends of the US.
First - the point is that China does involve itself far outside its own borders and that of it's neighbors. Let's not brush by it too quickly since its one of the converstion arcs you started.
Secondly, I'm no fan of Carnivore myself. But what you should be more concerned with is ECHELON. Which, by the way, is ran with the help of several other countries. It has been suggested that this allows the US NSA to search domestic communications by having their foriegn counterparts do the searching for them - avoiding US laws against such domestic monitorying.
Finally, you're rather naive if you think friends don't spy on each other. For example, the French are well known to use Government resources for industrial espionage.
For training Al Quada terrorists to attack the former USSR?
You might want to look at the military hardware and training the USSR dumped in to the region. Here's a hint - the Arab-Isreali war was as much about the Cold War as local blood feuds.
Furthermore, Afghanistan was poor, so was Iraq. We didn't need to fear them at all. No WMD at all.
First - Afghanistan sponsored a terrorist organization that is a world-wide network and materminds of the most significant act of civilian terrorism on US soil. WMD's aren't the issue.
Secondly - Iraq had began the 90's with the world's 4th largest standing military. It had been one of the wealthiest nations in the region. And it stands on one of the richest natural resource deposits in the world. Iraq used this military and econmic power to attempt grabbing additional wealth for itself and, ultimately, threatned the world economy. On a side note - Saddam Hussein commissioned an attempt on the former President Bush's life. This is not some small, insigificant, non-threatening country.
The countries that do have WMD,such as North Korea, India and Pakistan, are not being bombed.
I'm sorry - did you just say these countries needed to be bombed? What would you have the US do in these situations? Keep in mind we're already involved in keeping North Korea 1) at bay 2) fed.
The country which is using violence daily and is still occupying other territory and ignoring human rights, namely Israel are not under US threat at all, no, they receive massive financial an military support.
Oh - that's right. The country who had seized buffer territory after being attacked by its neighbors. The same country that has suffered decades of civilian attacks. A country who's neighbors have stated constantly that they should be wiped from the face of the earth. What was that about violence and human rights? Are you claiming some kind of moral high-ground in that mess?
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Re:This guy is a crackpot
Japan and South Korea both have reactors, and neither has nuclear weapons.
That much is true, however Japan is often called a "paranuclear" state, which means that if they so desired, they could manufacture a mass number of nuclear devices within weeks. They have suitable missile systems for ICBM's that could carry nuclear payloads.I still support nuclear energy though, there's no way around it. Most of the opposition is emotional and not fact-based. I don't particularly fear Japan becoming a nuclear state - if piddly shit countries like Pakistan have the capability but are afraid to use it, I don't think Japan will use it either.
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Re:This guy is a crackpot
Japan and South Korea both have reactors, and neither has nuclear weapons.
That much is true, however Japan is often called a "paranuclear" state, which means that if they so desired, they could manufacture a mass number of nuclear devices within weeks. They have suitable missile systems for ICBM's that could carry nuclear payloads.I still support nuclear energy though, there's no way around it. Most of the opposition is emotional and not fact-based. I don't particularly fear Japan becoming a nuclear state - if piddly shit countries like Pakistan have the capability but are afraid to use it, I don't think Japan will use it either.
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bin Laden and Iraq, in 1998was "USA = China-Lite"
50% of USA still think Saddam and Al-Queda are connected so it shows psy-ops works
was Re:USA = China-Lite
Of course Al-qaeda is active in Iraq now. We've let them in by smashing the police force that kept them out. It's a free for all in seizing the new Iraqi government and of course Al-qaeda wants a piece of it.
Were there a few Al-qaeda operatives in Iraq before Saddam fell? Maybe. It would be very dangerous for them (death-sentence if captured, even if they haven't comitted a crime yet), but there might have been a few. Not nearly as many as in the U.S. Should we bomb ourselves too?
The U.S. invasion of Iraq is the best thing Al-qaeda could have hoped for. They get a big new country to play around in. The pressure is taken off them (are we even looking for bin Laden any more?). Most importantly, arabs around the world are seeing that peaceful co-existance with the U.S. is impossible. If anyone is supporting Al-qaeda, it's Bush.
Now let me clarify that last sentence. I don't think Bush is actually in league with bin Laden. It is possible. The point is that any time you see evidence of someone having Al-qaeda ties, compare it to hat for Bush. If it's weaker, and you don't suspect Bush, then you can't fairly suspect the other person either.
FROM: VAST LEFT-WING CONSPIRACY
TO: USEFUL IDIOTS
SUBJ: TALKING POINT
The only thing Bill Clinton ever lied about was getting a blow job, so it must all be George Bush's fault.
Make sure our friends at ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/NPR/NY Times/Washington Post/etc. don't remind people of this old story:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/9811040 2.htm
United States Information Agency
04 November 1998
BIN LADEN, ATEF INDICTED IN U.S. FEDERAL COURT FOR AFRICAN BOMBINGS
(Terrorists will be tracked down, officials say) (920)
By Judy Aita
USIA Staff Writer
New York -- Usama bin Laden and Muhammad Atef were indicted November 4 in Manhattan federal court for the August 7 bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and for conspiring to kill Americans outside the United States. ...
According to the indictment, bin Laden and al Qaeda forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in Sudan and with representatives of the Government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah with the goal of working together against their common enemies in the West, particularly the United States.
"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq," the indictment said. ...
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Re:Western parallels...
You can get the government position on the detention of "enemy combatants" here.
You can get the law authorizing military tribunals to try "unlawful combatants" here, and the introductory speech here.
Procedures for obtaining an early release are described here.
I'm not surprised that you couldn't find much on the web about the distnction between enemy combatants and unlawful combatants. Most of the news coverage focuses on enemy combatants who have been acused of being unlawful combatants, so the distinction is seldom made clear. -
Re:Western parallels...
You can get the government position on the detention of "enemy combatants" here.
You can get the law authorizing military tribunals to try "unlawful combatants" here, and the introductory speech here.
Procedures for obtaining an early release are described here.
I'm not surprised that you couldn't find much on the web about the distnction between enemy combatants and unlawful combatants. Most of the news coverage focuses on enemy combatants who have been acused of being unlawful combatants, so the distinction is seldom made clear. -
China Versus IraqLet's see....
As of 2002:
CHINA - - - - - -IRAQ
===================authoritarian gummint?
Yes - - - - - - - - Yesinvades its neighbours?
Yes - - - - - - - - Yessupports bad people who do bad things to us?
Yes - - - - - - - - Yeshave lame taste in pop music?
Yes - - - - - - - - YesHave weapons of Mass Destruction?
Yes - - - - - - - - Nohas murdered many thousands, if not millions of its citizens?
Yes - - - - - - - - Yescorrupt to the core?
Yes - - - - - - - - Yesis opposed to free speech?
Yes - - - - - - - - Yeshas hundreds of nuclear weapons pointed at us?
Yes - - - - - - - - Nois an economic threat to our working classes?
Yes - - - - - - - - NoIs an up and coming superstate, to rival US (Oceania) and the EU (Eurasia)?
Yes - - - - - - - - Nohas the world's second largest oil reserves?
No - - - - - - - - YesSo, let's see: why didn't we invade China to liberate THEM from their evil gummint? Oh- that's right: the Chinese have nukes... So we'll invade Iraq on the pretext of it having WMD.
You think this is bull? Read THIS: it's intense and amazing. Iraq is just a side show. China's the main course, and don't forget it. They are the only thing standing in the way of Eurasia and Oceania. Eurasia will get Oceania to blow its military power on side shows, and founder on the rocks of China. This will leave China spent, the USA a leftover empire in a death spiral, and an Expanded (Russia Inclusive) and ascendent Eurasia, spanning from Portugal to Alaska.
No matter what, Europe wins, as long as the USA insists on a unipolar geopolitic. IF we agree to a multipolar system (like what Clinton was trying to wedge us into) then we can use the down time to develop ourselves and surpass both EastAsia and Eurasia, without having recourse to sideshows like Iraq.
The Great OZ has spoken.
RS
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Re:The truth of Area 51
F-117
Production decision - 1978
First flight - 1981
Operational - 1983
First combat use - Operation Just Cause (Panama) 1989
You want real 'old time' stealth/speed? Look at the A-11/SR-71/YF-12. First flight in 1962. -
Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the govermentArea 51 is probably just a few buildings there to keep the amount of people to perpetuate the image that area 51 is real.
Sigh. Pretty fscking elaborate "hoax"
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Re:Agreed.
This image looks a lot like a CPU, with the core and everything, makes you wonder if Douglas Adams was right afterall.
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Before the UFO nuts come out ....
The Federation of American Scientists has a nice description of what is on Area 51, as well as many links to provide more info.
There is no denying that there is much about the place kept under wraps, but the crazy UFO stories need to come to an end.
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Re:Agreed.
Seriously though, if there is something there, what did the commercial observation satellites detect? Any idea where we can have a look at some hi-res photos of Area 51?
In case you didn't know, there is an excellent search engine called Google which gives you the answer. Just search for groom lake satellite pictures and you'll get this as your first hit.
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Re:being in the infantrybeing in the infantry you get used to everything just being heavy and ungangly. it would be a shock to most slashdotters just how cumbersome our gear is.
Apparently nothing is funnier than watching a squad of guys try to complete a night-fire exercise with loaded rucks, wearing full MOPP IV (with the old M-17 masks), old-style "shoulder pad" type kevlar vests. I wasn't laughing, but then again I was one of the guys in MOPP IV, not one of the range control guys watching...
here's something funny to illustrate. in the army we have this thing called a PLGR (Portable Lightweight GPS Reciever) or "plugger". i assure you that there is nothing portable, lightweight, or GPS about it. it's huge, like the biggest text book you've ever seen. the batteries don't last for shit, it has only an alphanumeric display (no arrows and maps), it weights a good few pounds, it is TERRIBLE at getting a GPS signal. you practically have to climb a tree or be in the middle of open desert to use it.
That thing was a load of crap. Even the SLGR which replaced it sucks. Take a look at DAGR, the unit that's supposed to get fielded Q4 this year. Finally, something that can tell you "GO THAT WAY".
pretty much anything special forces uses too gets trickled down into infantry use because our gear sucks and they've got the common sense and freedom to use what works.
You know one thing snake-eaters use all the time now that I really wished for? BDU shirts with slanted chest pockets and pockets added to the shoulders. Put on your LBE and/or a kevlar vest and all your damn pockets are covered! Used to aggravate me to no end.
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Re:Essential to Ending US DominanceThat the US uses GPS guided bombs is a common misconception. The US uses GPS corrected guidance systems. The so-called "GPS guided bombs" actually use an inertial guidance system (not jammable), with a very jam resistant GPS antenna on the back-end to make minor corrections to the inertial guidance package. The accuracy difference is the difference between making the bomb land in your bathtub and land in your house. Even if you did jam the GPS effectively, you still don't want to hang around for the bomb to hit.
You are, of course, correct. JDAM is primarily INS guided. Here is a good overview of it. Pretty neat stuff.
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Re:Essential to Ending US DominanceIndeed - by the time the guided unit was in range of the jammer, the accuracy of non-GPS measures (magnetic direction, speed, etc) is sufficient to hit the target accurately enough. Jammers would have to cover hundreds or thousands of km in all directions to really have value.
...and if you're pumping out enough wattage to do that, you're essentially a giant radio beacon Anything transmitting like that is a sitting duck to a modified AGM-88 HARM, or better yet a simple GBU-15. -
Re:Essential to Ending US DominanceIndeed - by the time the guided unit was in range of the jammer, the accuracy of non-GPS measures (magnetic direction, speed, etc) is sufficient to hit the target accurately enough. Jammers would have to cover hundreds or thousands of km in all directions to really have value.
...and if you're pumping out enough wattage to do that, you're essentially a giant radio beacon Anything transmitting like that is a sitting duck to a modified AGM-88 HARM, or better yet a simple GBU-15. -
More NAVSTAR GPS information
The correct links for the US-administered GPS satellite constellation, known as NAVSTAR:
NAVSTAR GPS Joint Program Office - responsible for operational maintenance of NAVSTAR GPS equipment, services, and infrastructure
Interagency GPS Executive Board - executive management of NAVSTAR GPS
GPS fact sheet - US Air Force facts about NAVSTAR GPS
US Naval Observatory NAVSTAR GPS home page
Further information:
FAS GPS background info
Global Security GPS background info -
Re:Documentary?
I don't know how you managed to do it, but you have a virtual catalog of the lies, distortions and strawmen being used by the left to try and discredit the administration.
Didn't Saddam turn over something like 13,000 pages of documents?
Yes, and they were filled with incomplete, misleading, or already known information. Look for yourself. Apparently your position is "Bush lied", but Saddam tells all, and only the truth? If that is your position you are either incredibly na?ve or stupid.
Didn't he cave in and allow UN inspectors anywhere in Iraq?
Not without interference, delay, and attempts to keep them out of various places.
It boils down to this, Bush and Rumsfeld and Cheney declared that Iraq was an "imminent threat"
A tedious, often repeated lie. The administration described Iraq as a gathering threat which we could ill-afford to allow to become an imminent threat.
and tried to link it to Al Qaeda.
Iraq did have links to Al Qaeda. There is no evidence Iraq was behind 9/11 though.
Both turned out to be false.
Your strawman is false, the other is true.
Or when he disregarded the findings of weapons inspectors made since the 1990's?
The problem is Saddam admitted to having WMDs that were unaccounted for, and the inspectors kept finding problems with Iraq's disclosures. You might also find the Kay report interesting since it chronicles a number of findings even if they hadn??t found much in the way of actual WMD at that point. Of course, you would have to have an open mind.
Or when he refused to listen to the "yellowcake uranium" claim being disproven?
The UK government says that its source is the the forged documents, and stands by the claim.
Heck, I knew about that disproof in late 2002, it made some headlines in anti-war sites.
The anti-war sties have "proven" many things "false" that are still true today.
In addition, they had claims that they knew were the WMDs were. "We know where they are" one said, indicating that they knew exactly where they were stored. Even Colin Powell's UN speech seemed to sure, but it all turned out to be completely false, and none of it has been substantiated since.
We've found two so far, uncovered research for biological weapons, work on missiles that constitute serious breaches of the UN resolutions, and many other activities Regarding WMDs, even if we did know exactly where they were, are you saying Saddam's government couldn't have moved them? That is silly. It would only take a couple of tractor trailers to move them and they had a country the size of California to hide them.
Then you haven't been paying attention. The US promotes General Jerry Boykin, the general who goes to a church and tells the people that Muslims worship an idol and not a real god?
The General's personal beliefs have nothing to do with suppressing religion practiced by others. He is free to believe what he wants, or don't you believe in the 1st amendment for all US citizens?
Mr Grainer, the guy who tortured Iraqis in Abu Ghraib, beats the people until they curse Allah and Islam?
So, you are saying random criminals now determine US policy? That is a foolish notion.
The US is doing military incursions into Karbala and Najaf, some of the holiest cities to the Shiites? They knocked down a minaret, flattened half of a sacred mosque, and put bullet holes into the dome of the Imam Ali mosque (which is really frightening to all Shiites worldwide).
Once again you a -
Re:Documentary?
I don't know how you managed to do it, but you have a virtual catalog of the lies, distortions and strawmen being used by the left to try and discredit the administration.
Didn't Saddam turn over something like 13,000 pages of documents?
Yes, and they were filled with incomplete, misleading, or already known information. Look for yourself. Apparently your position is "Bush lied", but Saddam tells all, and only the truth? If that is your position you are either incredibly na?ve or stupid.
Didn't he cave in and allow UN inspectors anywhere in Iraq?
Not without interference, delay, and attempts to keep them out of various places.
It boils down to this, Bush and Rumsfeld and Cheney declared that Iraq was an "imminent threat"
A tedious, often repeated lie. The administration described Iraq as a gathering threat which we could ill-afford to allow to become an imminent threat.
and tried to link it to Al Qaeda.
Iraq did have links to Al Qaeda. There is no evidence Iraq was behind 9/11 though.
Both turned out to be false.
Your strawman is false, the other is true.
Or when he disregarded the findings of weapons inspectors made since the 1990's?
The problem is Saddam admitted to having WMDs that were unaccounted for, and the inspectors kept finding problems with Iraq's disclosures. You might also find the Kay report interesting since it chronicles a number of findings even if they hadn??t found much in the way of actual WMD at that point. Of course, you would have to have an open mind.
Or when he refused to listen to the "yellowcake uranium" claim being disproven?
The UK government says that its source is the the forged documents, and stands by the claim.
Heck, I knew about that disproof in late 2002, it made some headlines in anti-war sites.
The anti-war sties have "proven" many things "false" that are still true today.
In addition, they had claims that they knew were the WMDs were. "We know where they are" one said, indicating that they knew exactly where they were stored. Even Colin Powell's UN speech seemed to sure, but it all turned out to be completely false, and none of it has been substantiated since.
We've found two so far, uncovered research for biological weapons, work on missiles that constitute serious breaches of the UN resolutions, and many other activities Regarding WMDs, even if we did know exactly where they were, are you saying Saddam's government couldn't have moved them? That is silly. It would only take a couple of tractor trailers to move them and they had a country the size of California to hide them.
Then you haven't been paying attention. The US promotes General Jerry Boykin, the general who goes to a church and tells the people that Muslims worship an idol and not a real god?
The General's personal beliefs have nothing to do with suppressing religion practiced by others. He is free to believe what he wants, or don't you believe in the 1st amendment for all US citizens?
Mr Grainer, the guy who tortured Iraqis in Abu Ghraib, beats the people until they curse Allah and Islam?
So, you are saying random criminals now determine US policy? That is a foolish notion.
The US is doing military incursions into Karbala and Najaf, some of the holiest cities to the Shiites? They knocked down a minaret, flattened half of a sacred mosque, and put bullet holes into the dome of the Imam Ali mosque (which is really frightening to all Shiites worldwide).
Once again you a -
Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
-
Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
-
Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
-
Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
-
Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
-
Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
-
Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
-
Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section