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i think its mostly a beating stick for politics . I read the title before TFA (obviously) and i was like OMG what's nv-a and the rigthwing gonna do next ? i mean they got elected by blaming unemployment, telling the jobless they would give them jobs and take everything from them while pissing in their face cos they cause world hunger and aids and those suckers voted for them . I think a bit like Trump did it. But its one of my favourite sociological bits i like to use to slap certain people around with a big trout. From the slimste mens ter wereld to the dustball department en hobbits like Nepomuk Onderdonk who saw it on tv i guess ... people who dont that perpetuum mobile does not exist in the whole metaverse, hance you can live forever on grandma's money. See ... its somewhat hard to find actual numbers since they dont play in favour of demagogues and rhetoric but : Belgium : http://statbel.fgov.be/nl/stat... (gods i love andromouse ... apart from the flashlight it actually makes this phone useful) lets keep it simple ... official site, official numbers : Bevolking op 01 januari 2017 2.294.639 6.932.352 2.095.097 11.322.088 (male+female) : leaving out all people under 18 and over 65 (supposedly not adding all that much to gdp barring a few exceptions) = 6.932.352 sapients, thats roughly 61% potentially employable citizens, lets not count the illegals stashed in basements doing shit for dirt , 61% roughly who are "potentially" employable next one : http://statbel.fgov.be/nl/stat... official site, official numbers : because of the political structure in belgium this is already a mess since thats four of the five governments there and i see they left out the german bit (thats cos you never hear from them. They form governments after elections within the month and stuff ... they dont really fit in here) so counting only 18-64 yo -> amounts to roughly 7kk peoples (7.25 million) bottom of the page, this is where the foundation of the theory (which is not a theory but a statistic, .. (as not seen on tv, dustball)) gets interesting : 7.25 million potentials of that we have : 4.5 kk "working" (= paying taxes wether they produce anything or not, they might be paying taxes on a wage thats paid from taxes (cf. the perpetuum mobile reference above) 2.3 kk "in-active" these are NOT counted as unemployed and the prize number : ZERO point 4kk, thats right 400.000 un-employed (meaning receiving benefits) now before i euh get to the part where i have been saying unemployment around 6% is somewhat of a norm and its also the least of a governments spending concern compared to what they throw out the window trying to play big boys by sending boots to the russian border and air-support and boats and stuff to syria and whatnot ... cost a lot MORE than those 400.000 lazy slobs who "simply dont wanna work cos they are worth nothing and no good" (and the cause of world hunger and aids ...ofcourse) Is that it ... well actually ... If we were to count bureaucracy as a chunk of "employed" that actually gets paid by taxes ... which means "produces nothing"/"adds nothing" to the gdp, or whatever variable you wanna stack that in ... you get alarming numbers and the alarming number is NOT the 400.000
bureacucracy in belgium would be anyone working for the five administrations of the five governments (i can tell you thats a LOT for 11.000.000 sapients to pay for) and also the military and police who (face it) don't produce or add actual value "as such" (not saying its not necessary although the most number of cops per square meter in europe seem a bit over the top consideing theres virtually zero hard crime in belgium (but

i think its mostly a beating stick for politics . I read the title before TFA (obviously) and i was like OMG what's nv-a and the rigthwing gonna do next ? i mean they got elected by blaming unemployment, telling the jobless they would give them jobs and take everything from them while pissing in their face cos they cause world hunger and aids and those suckers voted for them . I think a bit like Trump did it. But its one of my favourite sociological bits i like to use to slap certain people around with a big trout. From the slimste mens ter wereld to the dustball department en hobbits like Nepomuk Onderdonk who saw it on tv i guess ... people who dont that perpetuum mobile does not exist in the whole metaverse, hance you can live forever on grandma's money. See ... its somewhat hard to find actual numbers since they dont play in favour of demagogues and rhetoric but : Belgium : http://statbel.fgov.be/nl/stat... (gods i love andromouse ... apart from the flashlight it actually makes this phone useful) lets keep it simple ... official site, official numbers : Bevolking op 01 januari 2017 2.294.639 6.932.352 2.095.097 11.322.088 (male+female) : leaving out all people under 18 and over 65 (supposedly not adding all that much to gdp barring a few exceptions) = 6.932.352 sapients, thats roughly 61% potentially employable citizens, lets not count the illegals stashed in basements doing shit for dirt , 61% roughly who are "potentially" employable next one : http://statbel.fgov.be/nl/stat... official site, official numbers : because of the political structure in belgium this is already a mess since thats four of the five governments there and i see they left out the german bit (thats cos you never hear from them. They form governments after elections within the month and stuff ... they dont really fit in here) so counting only 18-64 yo -> amounts to roughly 7kk peoples (7.25 million) bottom of the page, this is where the foundation of the theory (which is not a theory but a statistic, .. (as not seen on tv, dustball)) gets interesting : 7.25 million potentials of that we have : 4.5 kk "working" (= paying taxes wether they produce anything or not, they might be paying taxes on a wage thats paid from taxes (cf. the perpetuum mobile reference above) 2.3 kk "in-active" these are NOT counted as unemployed and the prize number : ZERO point 4kk, thats right 400.000 un-employed (meaning receiving benefits) now before i euh get to the part where i have been saying unemployment around 6% is somewhat of a norm and its also the least of a governments spending concern compared to what they throw out the window trying to play big boys by sending boots to the russian border and air-support and boats and stuff to syria and whatnot ... cost a lot MORE than those 400.000 lazy slobs who "simply dont wanna work cos they are worth nothing and no good" (and the cause of world hunger and aids ...ofcourse) Is that it ... well actually ... If we were to count bureaucracy as a chunk of "employed" that actually gets paid by taxes ... which means "produces nothing"/"adds nothing" to the gdp, or whatever variable you wanna stack that in ... you get alarming numbers and the alarming number is NOT the 400.000
bureacucracy in belgium would be anyone working for the five administrations of the five governments (i can tell you thats a LOT for 11.000.000 sapients to pay for) and also the military and police who (face it) don't produce or add actual value "as such" (not saying its not necessary although the most number of cops per square meter in europe seem a bit over the top consideing theres virtually zero hard crime in belgium (but

First, pensions. The number I gave you is a full pension, not everyone gets one and many elderly women would have to live of the pension of their (possibly dearly departed) husband. See here [onprvp.fgov.be] for details. So the 1100 euro is for two people and it is an AVERAGE.

Two people could get as much as 1400 EUR in 2016 via the IGO. If we're talking about a single person, the number is 1050 EUR.
Yes, their own means would be subtracted, but that's how limited socialism works. Only people who need it get subsidies.
http://www.onprvp.fgov.be/NL/p...
http://www.vief.be/inkomensgar...

Second, health costs. A healthy pensioner will have plenty with that 100 euro a month. Sadly, old age does not always mean good health.

That is what health insurance is for. I'd be highly surprised if old people in Belgium are going broke due to the way the Belgian health care system works. As far as I know, the variable health costs mainly concern over the counter medicine (i.e. non-prescribed) and a (yearly) capped deductible.

200 EUR a month for water, heating, electricity, internet and a mobile subscription

Third, living costs, check this [numbeo.com]. Especially electricity, water, internet and phone costs.

Numbeo says 130 + 40 for utilities + internet (in a 85m^2 apartment). That leaves 30 EUR for a mobile subscription. Seems my estimate was pretty accurate.

Fourth rental prices, seriously, 400 euro does not get you much. [...] Sure you'll have a roof over your head.

I've already shown that 400 EUR a month gets you plenty. No, it is not luxurious. We're talking minimum living standards guaranteed by the Belgian state here. You can bet your bottom that the elderly people in 90% of the rest of the world have it worse. Be grateful for that instead of spouting bullshit like this on Slashdot: "If you know that renting small apartment of decent quality (you know, no mold and stuff) starts at around 700 euro".

Gegroet.

All right, lets go with more details and numbers.

First, pensions. The number I gave you is a full pension, not everyone gets one and many elderly women would have to live of the pension of their (possibly dearly departed) husband. See here for details. So the 1100 euro is for two people and it is an AVERAGE.

Second, health costs. A healthy pensioner will have plenty with that 100 euro a month. Sadly, old age does not always mean good health.

Third, living costs, check this. Especially electricity, water, internet and phone costs.

Fourth rental prices, seriously, 400 euro does not get you much. You can live in an apartment in an out of the way area of the country with little to no public transportation (for example, where I live, a bus takes an hour to get to Antwerp and the train passes through once an hour - i'm 15km from the city center, it gets worse from here). Sure you'll have a roof over your head.

All in all, yes the average pensioner will survive and no you won't have much room.

And if your claims were correct, then nuke uptimes don't seem to reflect this "reality".

Most of those incidents don't really impact availability much and the "uptime" of a nuclear plant isn't nearly as high as people think (it's about ~80%).
They are super careful now with the unexpected extra ruptures in the containment vessels of Doel 3 and Tihange 2 and every incident related or not gets hyped up.
For those interested here is a list of the real (according to FANC - the control agency) nuclear incidents in Belgium of 2015: http://fanc.fgov.be/nl/page/in....
Personally I would like to see Doel 3 and Tihange 2 closed but that's not gonna happen this legislature.

In Belgium, a company that has an FTE cost of 90K means that the emplyee will get also around 60K as salary, which means around 30K-40K in his pocket to spend.

Salaries are mostly calculated per month and you normaly have to device by 13.78, (13th month and payed holiday) so that makes a pay of around 2500EUR per month. (what he sees on his paycheck). The average is 3100 EUR. I excluded Brussels as that is not representative.

So in Belgium he would also not starve, but also easily get a job that pays more.

And this is just the taxes, so no infra structure cost. It will include insurance and most likely100% public transport or mileage for 50% for car usage to and from work.

Wrong. Read http://www.ibz.rrn.fgov.be/ind...
Basically, the problem occured when going into a party list, canceling and choosing a different party.
The issue did occur in the voting machine's software, and the central vote collecting system correctly handled, detected the inconsistency, and refused to process the invalid vote data.

It's probably country-dependent, but in order to get my driving licence I had to know a bit more than just start the engine, turn left, turn right and brake (or whatever you call "basic").

You first have to show that you know how to (sorry for the probably loosy translations I don't know the exact terms in English):

• check the oil level
• check the tyres (pressure and weariness, at some point they planned to add the "change it" step but it wouldtake too much time :-p )
• check and change the anti-icing liquid
• check the level of the cooling liquid
• check the level of brake liquid
• lights usage (driving lights, direction lights, stop lights, ...)
• How to maneuver (parallel parking, half-turn in a narrow street, ...)

Then you can go pass your "outdoor" driving exam.

YMMV but I call this more advanced than "basics", so my comparison holds AFAIC.

http://www.mobilit.fgov.be/data/route/pdcrbw/exBf.pdf

NB: I'm the GP AC, not the GGGP AC nor that AC , though I kinda agree with his first sentence.

Leave diesel off the tax for now so the trucking industry won't be destroyed in the process. Presto, lots of new electric cars on the roads.

Uhm. No. Presto, more personal vehicles in the US on diesel. Just like in Europe. (e.g. in Belgium 60% is diesel)

The companies already have the knowledge to do that, so minimal effort on side of the car companies. If that will be a good or bad thing is another matter.

Citation needed. Especialy on what term you are talking about and please come back with facts.

When I look at the companies that put down the books in Belgium in 2010 I get to 8819 So I should then look at how many are internet companies. This both for ALL companies and for the ones that put down their books.

Only then I could tell if internet companies are worse or better then average.

Without either the comparison to the implied comparison to other companies (otherwise you could have left out the word 'internet') , your statement is meaningless and does not answer the question you quoted. Some companies will go down the hill faster then others.

The Belgian government publishes the source code of its voting machines after each election: http://www.elections.fgov.be/index.php?id=627&L=3. You still need dedicated hardware (which basically is an antique Pentium 1, 4 megs of RAM, some serial interfaces, a lightpen interface and a magnetic card reader)

How do you know this system is fraud free? Reading your comment doesn't convince me one bit. I voted too, in the Netherlands, and for the first time in years I had to use a pencil again. No guarantee that there are no counting errors, but they won't be systematic on a large scale.

The Belgian government publishes the source code of the voting software the moment the bureaus close. The software of yesterday's election can be found here: http://www.ibz.rrn.fgov.be/index.php?id=1152&L=1

Nope, it's just that solar and wind get an order of magnitude more subsidies

At least in Europe that's not true (Dutch, and also in French).

That table shows, from left to right, European subsidies to energy production based on resp. fossil fuels, nuclear power and renewable energy. Vertically, the rows read "money transfers and fiscal support", "non-internalised external costs", "transfer of past subsidies", "preferential treatment", and "total".

It's based on numbers from 2001 and I guess in the mean time the fiscal support for alternative energy has increased significantly, but then again it's got quite a bit to make up for...

Nope, it's just that solar and wind get an order of magnitude more subsidies

At least in Europe that's not true (Dutch, and also in French).

That table shows, from left to right, European subsidies to energy production based on resp. fossil fuels, nuclear power and renewable energy. Vertically, the rows read "money transfers and fiscal support", "non-internalised external costs", "transfer of past subsidies", "preferential treatment", and "total".

It's based on numbers from 2001 and I guess in the mean time the fiscal support for alternative energy has increased significantly, but then again it's got quite a bit to make up for...

Deaths by source in 1997, to put things into perspective :
(absolute numbers; http://statbel.fgov.be/figures/d364_nl.asp )
total : 103800
murder : 1400
traffic deaths : 1453
CANCER : 28041

AAAARGH ! LOOK BEHIND YOU ! a cancer is going to shoot you !!!
So belgium is a lawless country ? Not by a long shot.
On onkelinkx/PS : give it time, and the walloon's democracy will improve, i see the facts in charleroi today as great opportunity.

The e-id card does have one major design flaw though: the certificate issued by the government linking your public key to your identity contains your National Registry Number (Rijksregister/Registre national).

This number is used in many governmental databases as primary key, so it's not a good idea to give it out to everyone. The law restricts the use of the National Registry Number by private citizens and corporations for data processing. But it would have been better not create the opportunity for abuse in the first place, by spreading around this number in by way of this certificate.

The academic world in Belgium has repeatedly pointed this problem out to the government, but to no avail.

Some cool graphs on the roll out of the e-id card in Belgium are availble here: E-ID page. The e-id is no longer an experiment, in theory at least 'analog' cards will no longer be issued.

When I first read the message, my faced turned red. But after looking deeper into the matter, it might be not so bad.

First of all: the eID is there, with open standards. Microsoft is just the first big company that announces a use of it.

The idea of securing chatrooms is, well, a bit strange. But the eID, as the Belgs call it, does allow stuff like electronic voting and online exams, can enhance online banking, doing online business or logging into the server of your work.

The card itself is platform independent. Software for the cardreader is available for Mac, Java and even Linux. There is rather extensive guide (although written in 2003) for using the card together with for example Mozilla (pdf in dutch). Actually, they have made a four-languaged site about the eID

There are catches of course. The Belgs have to look out for identitytheft, although there is a hotline to disable a stolen card. And it would be nice if services that really do not need an online verification, would refrain from using it. (Like browsing in an online shop before you buy anything)

Oh, we do have to give the Belgs a bit more credit. They have Open Sourced their voting software and Open Source is a integrated part of their IT policy.

On the bright side: there are drivers for the card reader for linux, solaris, Mac, ... source code too!

http://www.belgium.be/zip/middleware_source_code_n l.html
http://www.registrenational.fgov.be/bev_nl/bev_n_d ispatcher.htm

They are supported by all sorts of unixes, check this site, you can find drivers for the reader in java, for windows, linux, solaris, macOSx etc...

just let spammers pick it up and report themselves :-P

here goes: inspec.eco@mineco.fgov.be

Maybe this would generally be a cool idea: post honeypot-addresses all over the net, and cause spammers to spam people who CAN and WILL do something about that...

the actual address is probably inspec.eco@mineco.fgov.be

Hope this helps!

Did you say you wanted to review source code for voting machines? Maybe I can direct you to some. Three actually. These sources ofcourse are from systems used by the Belgian Federal governement, nothing to do with the USA federal governement.

Did you say you wanted to review source code for voting machines? Maybe I can direct you to some. Three actually. These sources ofcourse are from systems used by the Belgian Federal governement, nothing to do with the USA federal governement.

Did you say you wanted to review source code for voting machines? Maybe I can direct you to some. Three actually. These sources ofcourse are from systems used by the Belgian Federal governement, nothing to do with the USA federal governement.

You can find the source code on http://elections.fgov.be/ or http://verkiezingen.fgov.be/

To go there directly:

Nederlands

Francais

Deutsch

You can find the source code on http://elections.fgov.be/ or http://verkiezingen.fgov.be/

To go there directly:

Nederlands

Francais

Deutsch

You can find the source code on http://elections.fgov.be/ or http://verkiezingen.fgov.be/

To go there directly:

Nederlands

Francais

Deutsch

You can find the source code on http://elections.fgov.be/ or http://verkiezingen.fgov.be/

To go there directly:

Nederlands

Francais

Deutsch

You can find the source code on http://elections.fgov.be/ or http://verkiezingen.fgov.be/

To go there directly:

Nederlands

Francais

Deutsch

You can download the source code here.

Neat-o, but the entities (Microsoft, SCO, etc.) that are attacking the GPL as liberal/socialist/communist are in the US, and **THEY**, not me, **THEY** are doing so in that context. I didn't make up the words, so if you have a gripe about semantics, talk to somebody else. I was trying to head off this argument because It - appears - to - be - an - issue, and it shouldn't be.

I am sorry I failed.

all sourcecode of the three systems used is available for download and public review on the site of the federal government.

http://www.verkiezingen.fgov.be/Nouveau/NieuwNl/Do kunnl/broncodes/Cdoku7nnl.htm

(clik on one of the three software systems and then on 'Hier')

Par 1. The usage of electronic mail for publicity is prohibited without prior, free, specific and informed consent of the receiver of the messages. [the "King" can grant exceptions to this rule when advised to do so by both the minister of Justice and the minister of Economic Affairs]

Par 2. When sending publicity via electronic mail, the provider of said service takes care of the following:

1. He provides clear and understandable information about the right to resist receiving ads in the future.
2. He points to a means that is fit to exercise this right efficiently via electronic way and provides said means. [The King etc. define the modalities according to which the providers have to respect the will of the recipient]

Par 3. When sending publicity via electronic mail, it is prohibited:

1. to use the address or identity of a third party
2. to forge or hide information that allows one to recognize the source of the electronic mail or the way it traversed.

Par 4. The provider must deliver the proof that the publicity via electronic mail has been requested.

Par 1. The usage of electronic mail for publicity is prohibited without prior, free, specific and informed consent of the receiver of the messages. [the "King" can grant exceptions to this rule when advised to do so by both the minister of Justice and the minister of Economic Affairs]

Par 2. When sending publicity via electronic mail, the provider of said service takes care of the following:

1. He provides clear and understandable information about the right to resist receiving ads in the future.
2. He points to a means that is fit to exercise this right efficiently via electronic way and provides said means. [The King etc. define the modalities according to which the providers have to respect the will of the recipient]

Par 3. When sending publicity via electronic mail, it is prohibited:

1. to use the address or identity of a third party
2. to forge or hide information that allows one to recognize the source of the electronic mail or the way it traversed.

Par 4. The provider must deliver the proof that the publicity via electronic mail has been requested.

Seems like Belgium isn't mentioned.
Belgium has 20,2% of all households on broadband (all households, meaning that those without any form of internet are counted too)
source

Now since 36,4% of all households in Belgium have internet (tainted: 2001 statistics)
source

this would give us a 55% (probably less since the above percentage has risen meanwhile) broadband penetration into the internet households.

Is it just me, or did Belgium deserve an entry in this article?

(I do realise that Belgium is a small, high populated country, but still...)

Do you have any idea why 'they hate the US'? Because of this kind of arrogance, maybe? :-(

It's bullshit too. Look at a page like this and observe that intra-EU trade is three times as big as extra-EU trade. So even if the US takes a big share of the extra-EU trade, which I doubt, it's still not that important. Get a clue and check your figures.

That's an interesting point. To give you an idea of the limits, a full list of characters in Marvel comics and others can be found here.

(Unfortunately the site is Belgian so you'll have to guess at some of the words.)

Ministry of Employment and Labour, also responsible for Equal Opportunities (not Equality!)

Here in Belgium government is serious about e-government. As from next year, businesses will be able to file tax returns via the web. We already can contact government officials *and* get an answer (most of the time, anyway). A lot of official law-related stuff (including new law publishing) is done via the web. Some government contracting is done via e-commerce.

So I guess it's time the Economist writes an article about e-government in Belgium ;-). Still, I think we have a long way to go before we can really say we have an e-government here. But we are on the right way. For those interested: here's the root link for the Belgian Federal Government on-line.

She has a hard time understanding the big bang theory, being unable to get along well with what are called "exact sciences".

After 4 years of discussion together and with representants of various christian religions, the answer for her is that the Big Bang happened and God was the one who initiated it, then He created Adam and Eve and put them on Earth (forget the monkeys :) ).

I, for one, consider that there was a quark/gluon soup, but whatever lies before 1E-43s is not my problem, the anthropic principle being enough to satisfy my curiosity.

It is also to be noted that the Bible and the Big Bang theory are not in contradiction. If you remember well, Monseigneur Lemaitre, the belgian monk who designed the "primitive atom" theory (in 1927 if I remember well) - the prelude to the Big Bang theory - did have the christians support. Albert Einstein even reproached him to create a theory that was too close of what the Bible :).( I have no link to this as this was told to me by one of Lemaitre's students ).

For those who agree with the "there is more than one universe" or the "Big Bang-Big Crunch" theories, it is to be remembered that the first words of the bible, commonly translated to "in the beginning" can also be translated to "in the beginningS".

Conclusion: What I think is that the universe exists, we exist, if the universe didn't evolve into what it did, there would be no one to wonder why it evolved the way it did (this is relevant too if another lifeform asks itself why it exists). The cause of the Big Bang being God or nothing is irrelevant (to me) but both the Big Band theory and the Creationsim can certainly coexist.