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Won't Gentoo lose all of it's coolness factor if anybody who can click a mouse can install it?

What coolness factor? :-)

How long until this quote gets added to http://www.funroll-loops.org/?

Thank you.

-Aaron

Also I would only recommend the graphical installer for people who have used gentoo before, because there's nothing like doing a stage 1 install to get you acquainted with your system and linux in general.

How long until this quote gets added to http://www.funroll-loops.org/?

Awesome. Thank you.

-Aaron

"Without a doubt, Gentoo has set itself apart from every other distro out there. Because it's source-based, it's notorious for its speed. Because of emerge, it's notorious for being simple to maintain. And because of its "install system" (if it can be called that), it's notorious for scaring off potential users before they even get to try it. Well, that's all going to change, because there is a graphical Gentoo installer in the works. It can run with a dialog frontend that bears a striking similarity to Ubuntu, or for faster systems a GTK+ frontend is available."

How long until this quote appears verbatim on http://www.funroll-loops.org/?

I'm laughing very hard. Beautiful.

-Aaron

...gentoo users are notorious for failing to comprehend the implications of their system philosophy.

http://www.funroll-loops.org

^^ Best website ever. It shows how retarded you gentoo users are.

Stop by http://www.funroll-loops.org/ sometime.

Don't for get the one for idiots...

... so here it is! GENTOO is Rice

Watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight!

http://funroll-loops.org/

Gentoo isn't really for you anyway.

Trust RedHat? More than Sun. All of RedHat's products are published under the GPL. The license is Free, as in speech. I can even download the SRPMS if I wish, without paying them a dime.

My distro is so uber-leet... I can even download every package and compile it from source! Watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight!

Ah, good, a fellow Gentoo ricer.

You meant to say "Don't forget about us gentoo ricers.", right?

Like any of the Debianiers here would actually compile something. ``Why would I compile something when I can get trusted packages from Debian?'' Give me a break. For an example of just how silly some of the binary package folks are, check out this site. They guy that made this site doesn't even understand the issues well enough to seperate technical issues from incorrect information.

As I see it, GNU/Linux is about control and choice. I'm not trying to pimp my distro of choice here, so I won't mention it by name, but I made my choice based on a balance of flexibility and ease of setup.

There is no question that Gentoo is very flexible. Possibly even the most flexible major distro. I have serious doubts that all of the people using it are doing so because they need or even really want the amount of flexibility that Gentoo provides them. I suspect that a large number of Gentoo users are the ricer wannabes that you referred to.

Because RedHat is now a commercial entity, one that really only need be concerned with revenue and profit, I no longer trust them enough to make it my distro. I'm not going to pay for "updates" that other distros provide for free. I'm glad Gentoo is out there. The more choices people have, the greater the pressure on everyone to make a good product.

LK

The best quote I've seen on that subject is the chapter heading from funroll-loops who summarizes a whole section of quotes from gentoo-fanboys with the phrase "Watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight!"

Only on /. is "first decide what complier options you want to use to build your kernel", an example of "making it dead simple".

""its -O3 the letter, not -03 the number"" - an example of how Gentoo makes things easy.

Being a Gentoo user

I'll second that. From the article "RPM ... pales in comparison to Gentoo's Portage or Debian's Apt." Argh, no. Compare RPM to debian's dpackage. Apt is built on top of dpackage and apt works with RPM too. RPM isn't meant to resolve dependencies, just track them. Systems like apt, yum, or the Red Hat Network handle the dependency issues. As for Portage... *sigh* yeah, we should all build our own software from source and waste tons of cycles doing so. It makes so much more sense to have different binaries on different systems. I bet independent software and hardware vendors would love to support that. *sigh* ... portage ... fucking ricer bastards.

If it was a Pi calculator, or a game (in which a miniscule difference in per-frame loop time makes a huge difference in frame rate) I could see the point, but this is just silly

In the case of gentoo that is good. I use unix myself and am deep into it, but it doesn't take me much reading about gentoo to realize that it is only for hard-core computer people

I don't think that's true at all. Gentoo is VERY misunderstood, mostly by IRC script kiddies.

Gentoo is not some 1337 power user distribution, and neither for that matter is Slackware. Slackware IS an appropriate distribution for people looking for a FreeBSD style desktop Linux distribution. Gentoo falls into a similar category, but it has an inferior install procedure, and emerge isn't as good as Slackware's package install system (and believe me, I'm no fan of Slackware).

Neither have actual package management, making them both unsuitable for most commercial environments, and Gentoo doesn't even have an installer to speak of. That's not a FEATURE, as much as it's dressed up to be, it's just utterly backwards. Sure I could manually build and install Linux from scratch but the last time I did was around 1995 - since then the only other time I've gone through the hassle of install the entire OS from scratch was in 2001 with HURD (and that's only because there was no installer).

Gentoo is (really) for ricer's.

http://funroll-loops.org/ explains the issue so well, so I won't repeat the arguments here. But really, Gentoo is just an utter waste of time.

You only have to read some of the statements on the site to see how utterly clueless some of the users advocating it are:

"if you use debian heres a warning (at least if you enter the debian channel): dont come in as root, you never hear the end of it, which was very annoying."

"I don't think that Debian can really compete with Gentoo. Sure it might be okay, but when it comes to dependencies, you probably are still going to have to get them all on your own. Or is there something like portage in the Debian world as well?"

"I am a long time Gentoo user, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I believe that as hardware gets faster, it makes sense to migrate to a largely source-based Linux system. Binary packages encourage inconsistency and incompatibility, whearas source encourages unified development frameworks and integration."

It's a wonder some people's brains just don't implode, I swear.

In the case of gentoo that is good. I use unix myself and am deep into it, but it doesn't take me much reading about gentoo to realize that it is only for hard-core computer people

I don't think that's true at all. Gentoo is VERY misunderstood, mostly by IRC script kiddies.

Gentoo is not some 1337 power user distribution, and neither for that matter is Slackware. Slackware IS an appropriate distribution for people looking for a FreeBSD style desktop Linux distribution. Gentoo falls into a similar category, but it has an inferior install procedure, and emerge isn't as good as Slackware's package install system (and believe me, I'm no fan of Slackware).

Neither have actual package management, making them both unsuitable for most commercial environments, and Gentoo doesn't even have an installer to speak of. That's not a FEATURE, as much as it's dressed up to be, it's just utterly backwards. Sure I could manually build and install Linux from scratch but the last time I did was around 1995 - since then the only other time I've gone through the hassle of install the entire OS from scratch was in 2001 with HURD (and that's only because there was no installer).

Gentoo is (really) for ricer's.

http://funroll-loops.org/ explains the issue so well, so I won't repeat the arguments here. But really, Gentoo is just an utter waste of time.

You only have to read some of the statements on the site to see how utterly clueless some of the users advocating it are:

"if you use debian heres a warning (at least if you enter the debian channel): dont come in as root, you never hear the end of it, which was very annoying."

"I don't think that Debian can really compete with Gentoo. Sure it might be okay, but when it comes to dependencies, you probably are still going to have to get them all on your own. Or is there something like portage in the Debian world as well?"

"I am a long time Gentoo user, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I believe that as hardware gets faster, it makes sense to migrate to a largely source-based Linux system. Binary packages encourage inconsistency and incompatibility, whearas source encourages unified development frameworks and integration."

It's a wonder some people's brains just don't implode, I swear.

Gentoo is for Ricers

Laugh, it's funny!

What the hell! I'm still not done compiling the old version. Well, Gentoo is the best and only distribution real men can use. My box runs so much faster now!

*cough* Actually, I use Knoppix. ;)

What the hell! I'm still not done compiling the old version. Well, Gentoo is the best and only distribution real men can use. My box runs so much faster now!

*cough* Actually, I use Knoppix. ;)

What the hell! I'm still not done compiling the old version. Well, Gentoo is the best and only distribution real men can use. My box runs so much faster now!

*cough* Actually, I use Knoppix. ;)

What the hell! I'm still not done compiling the old version. Well, Gentoo is the best and only distribution real men can use. My box runs so much faster now!

*cough* Actually, I use Knoppix. ;)

What the hell! I'm still not done compiling the old version. Well, Gentoo is the best and only distribution real men can use. My box runs so much faster now!

*cough* Actually, I use Knoppix. ;)

What the hell! I'm still not done compiling the old version. Well, Gentoo is the best and only distribution real men can use. My box runs so much faster now!

*cough* Actually, I use Knoppix. ;)

Of course not. It's for Ricers.

(Go ahead, got karma to burn. Or better yet, laugh instead. Makes you healthier)

"warm" sound - let me guess, for the times when you MUST listen to a CD, you put green marker on the outside to reduce jitter? Are you a gentoo user too? This just just more Rice

Look, do you really want to encourage them? Suppose this game becomes popular, then you're going to hear no end of "Oh yes, have you heard of London Law? It's written in Python. I don't see why everything can't be written in Python. Python's the best language in the world, I can't see what management has against it. It's much better than C and Java. I once wrote a web browser in Python, just a matter of importing mozilla, instantiating a browser object, and that's it, just two lines of code and you've got a whole web browser. I bet London Law is just three lines of code, that's how good Python is. I don't see why Linux isn't written in Python, I mean, it could just be three or four lines of code then, and it'd probably run faster. Of course, Microsoft could write XP in Python and it'd be much more reliable but they'll not because they're so anti-open source and..."

I mean, these people make Gentoo fans and Terry Pratchett bores look like sane, rational, people you'd want to have at a party.

Well, it can taka a long time to do sys admin stuff, but only if you are like me and go months between doing a full system update. Make a cron job to do an emerge -uD world overnight, and you're set.

I use Gentoo for one thing: portage. I know the Debian package manager is great and all, but the latest Debian install CD hangs when I try to run it on my laptop, and I'm just too damned lazy to find a work-around.

And really, I'm not one of these guys. Anyone who notices a speed increase when switching to Gentoo is probably imagining things.

• "emerge Type-R decals"

You forgot to link that one....;)

Gentoo is for ricers..

You're missing this.

"I started using Gentoo on the desktop and now I've rolled it out as a production server using some great technologies: ReiserFS, RAID-5, Gentoo patched kernel, Samba ... you name it."

What's missing is the context - funroll-loops.

Slackware on a machine is usually 50% or more faster than the fedora,redhat,mandrake

Please report to the following website: Gentoo Is for Ricers and join their well-informed masses.

"I use Gentoo because I'm a speed freak - I can't stand the thought that some of my packages might not be running as fast as they could be."

Gentoo is for Ricers

Gentoo is for ricers...

If you want something informative, there's the old reliable Distro Watch and if you want something funny, try:

• Funroll Loops
• Fedora fun
• [add your link here]

http://funroll-loops.org/

* and yes, I know. part of knowing what I'm doing is knowing how time wasting and inefficient compiling from source is; but in my case I've found that the side effects of compiling from source outweight the compile time - I'm not just being a stereotypical gentoo fanboy ;)

But on topic, the fact that I user gentoo has little to do with my point - I was just saying how I expect a compiler as standard (and maybe the exploit author did too, hence the requirement of one), but that a regular user wouldn't; No elitism was intended.

And as far as I know, /all/ linux systems are vulnerable to clueless users downloading & running things they shouldn't...

As for a US$2000 laptop wiping the floor with a US$1000 laptop? It damn better, otherwise it isn't worth US$2000.

Well, whaddya know, "Gentoo Is Rice" is on-topic!

[disclaimer: I use Gentoo, and not for the speedup either!]

... for ricers ...

See, see, the problem with you Gentoo people is that you're just a bunch of damn ricers.

It's about time we had another souped up, optimized to the core, compiled from source, fear my USE flags distro to provide competition with Gentoo.

You know what they say... Monopoly is never a good thing ;)

That if a feature will make the system more convenient and/or easier to use, the hippies developing Linux will exclue it for that very reason. The fastest-growing Linux distribution is based on the premise that an automatic installer is unnecessary and it is perfectly reasonable to take a production system out of commision for a day or more while recompiling security updates. This is just one more reason that Linux cannot truly compete with professional operating systems in the all-important areas of TCO and manageability.

come on folks, we all know that gentoo is for ricers