Domain: gamergate.me
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Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong
After? This was before and during, not after, who cares about after?
https://wiki.gamergate.me/inde...
Wow, that was HARD, so hard to look up the evidence and read all about it. The guy is slime, Zoe wasn't even the first time he had a conflict of interest. But all you care about is poor Zoe being dragged through the mud for something she DID do. This took me a single Google search, I had more issues with my company's proxy blocking me from reading the Kotoku article than actually searching and finding this content. Are you ready to take your blinders off yet?
Oh and before you try denigrating the source, all the references are at the bottom like any good Wiki. However it is entirely possible that the subjects have since deleted things from their histories to try and cover it all up.
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Re:No nuance allowed. You're for us or against us.
I guess that's why there was the DMCA pulldown of Mundane Matt's video, and why a thread with 20k replies in
/r/gaming disappeared. Why according to the modleaks logs that several subs were actively banning people who were talking about it, and why GameJournoPros(a clique of writers), went out of their way to spin positive coverage for her, and even lavish her with gifts right?The 'games media' didn't want to do anything with it, because it showed their own corruption. Nothing more, nothing less. There are numerous cases at game sites were authors were caught either shilling for people they know without disclosure, or actively screwing/shacked-up with someone in a PR company and spinning stuff in a positive light. It was bad enough at IGN that the guy who was writing about Ubisoft(he was shacked up with their PR person), had all of their articles pulled.
You can check through http://www.deepfreeze.it/ or the timeline. Fair warning, there is a lot of reading material.
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Re:Ad blocking?
I think the best ads are the native ads--that is, ads that resemble content, but are clearly marked as ads. Digg is currently the best example of this. There's one story box dedicated to an ad. It's easy to find, so it's easy to ignore
A lot of companies have recently tried pushing that as news stories and not labeling them, it took Gamergate informing the FTC and the FTC updating and perusing action against companies for doing it. Native ads? It's a way to make ads looks like news, and companies like Gakwer, Kotaku, et al., just got slapped down hard for it.
Then again I don't actually shop by ads, when I need something for a particular job I'm more likely to ask people who are ahead of me in the industry what they'd suggest, then I go research the products in question.
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Re:Questions:
Related question: Despite everything, can some good come from GamerGate?
Plenty of good has come from Gamergate. The literal salt mine from deepfreeze.it alone shows what good has come from it, not since the 1990's have I seen so much whining and complaining from the press when direct conflicts of interest, and shilling are exposed.
It has certainly drawn attention to the topic of harassment of women online, and campaigns like "Disrespectful Nod" actually seem to have backfired and pushed some of the companies targeted to very clearly state their opposition to the movement.
Citation required, because many companies including game sites have created ethical policies, some have also come out saying that Gamergate was right like Ian Miles Cheong(Gameranx). Some others have even openly come to GG to ask them to give their opinion on their existing, or re-write of their policies. So if you wonder where we would be without it, we'd be back in July of last year and people still getting pissed off at 'games journalism' for being unethical and still trotting down the road that it had been waiting for an even larger explosion.
I'm guessing you either don't play video games, or are pretty young. Otherwise you'd know that a backlash against the gaming press has been building for over twenty years, when you still got your information from magazines.
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Re:Indeed
Nobody's trying to "smear" GamerGate, we read what you write in your own words on 8chan,
/r/KIA, and under the #gamergate hashtag.A movement with no spokesmen, which communicates primarily through venues that enforce total anonymity by default is awfully convenient for those who would use "their words" against them, since any 15-year old child on his smartphone can - and will - be held up as representative of the entire group. This is simply an extension of the "cyber-bullying" cause, where people try to conflate toss-off statements posted anonymously on the internet with serious and credible death threats. Through an anonymous, geographically remote medium like an imageboard, the possible consequences of saying nearly anything are almost nonexistent - so people say whatever they can, just because they can. It takes little wherewithal, conviction or true feeling to type "you are bad and deserve to be raped," whereas making the same threat in person almost guarantees a visit from stern men in institutional blue; which is why they're taken seriously - the motivation required to prompt it must be that much more severe. The personalities at the center of this "Gamergate" fracas make a policy of conflating the former with the latter to enhance their claims of victimhood - and if the baseless internet trashtalk isn't pouring in fast enough, they'll start actively baiting the trolls themselves.
Your entire movement started when Adam Baldwin tweeted links to YouTube videos smearing a female game dev's sex life because her ex-boyfriend wanted to run a hate campaign against her.
It sure did! And if said dev had replied in a different fashion, it would've been utterly forgotten by now. I've got a bachelors in Journalism, and I can tell you that absolutely nobody with a quarter of a brain or over the age of 20 is at all surprised that industry publications are little better than shills for the advertisers that provide all their income. The difficulty of monetizing online journalism (a task even major, respected mainstream news publications have struggled with) almost guaranteed it'd be even worse for online gaming websites. It's not exactly breaking news to anyone. It should've been a minor story only a few cared about, and died a quiet death when the muddy nature of the allegations became clear.
But that's not what happened.
What happened was a game developer resorting to moral fiat argument; i.e. my critics are sexist and thus automatically evil and wrong. At a stroke this transformed the issue; it went from some nobody indie dev arguing with nobody internet nerds to An Attack On Women. This alone polarized the issue and involved a massive preexisting base of communities, activists and political context (which was the goal, of course.) But what really blew the flames into a forest fire was the obvious collusion and outright slander by the gaming news sites being criticized: they all published "gamers are dead" articles arguing that "gamer culture" had been completely overtaken by sexism and misogyny, the implication being that anyone who identified as a "gamer" (i.e. all the people criticizing them,) was by definition a sexist, misogynistic bastard, and their opinions could and should be rejected out of hand.
This kind of argument tactic is nothing new in the political sphere - moral fiat arguing backed by complicit media outlets is a staple of left-wing strategy, as best evidenced by theCindy Sheehan phenomena. I've watched it in action for years. But when I was writing political op-eds on a home-grown website run by me and a few highschool friends, all my peers were playing Halo tournaments -
Re:Equality
Nobody "attacked" gamers in any real sense - that article you keep bitching about is one you never read, it was talking about a made up marketing demographic, not the real people that constitute "everyone who plays games".
You're a shameless lying zealot. They're called the Gamers are Dead articles for a reason. Fucking read them. He's an excerpt.
Gamer's Are Over
> “Gamer” isn’t just a dated demographic label that most people increasingly prefer not to use. Gamers are over. That’s why they’re so mad.
> These obtuse shitslingers, these wailing hyper-consumers, these childish internet-arguers -- they are not my audience. They don’t have to be yours. There is no ‘side’ to be on, there is no ‘debate’ to be had.That's referring to real people. A LOT of real people. THe author explicitly intended it to refer to them and backpedaling and spouting double-think about it is no use now.
This next one presents a An 18 point pro-active plan for "Ending Gamers". This is a real article. Here's an excerpt
> 7. We change the culture of game consumption to be less about buying and rating games, and instead develop a paradigm that is more about playing and thoroughly investigating games. The reason this is so vital is because to be a “gamer” is not merely to play games. At its core, to be a “gamer” is to obsessively and regularly make the correct purchases. “Gamers” are such vicious gatekeepers because they want to protect the perceived value of their investments. We can subvert that by making and playing more free games, changing the ways we evaluate and discuss games, and finding new ways to fund game development.
This is an insult to a consumer demographic and a call for their mass euthanasia all in one. Stop pretending you can just spout your usual political duckspeak to rationalize this away.
Here's another. This one mostly sticks with the lies and standard insults, but it's just pouring more gasoline on the fire for clicks and spite.
>As someone who sees video games as a large part of their life and values the medium as more than just simple, silly “games,” the toxic attitude of much of the core gaming audience is disgusting and at times even terrifying.These people, these journalists, have attacked the games industry. There is no other word for their continued libelous crusade to smear the industry as misogynist or hostile to women. They have attack the industry and they have, quite literally, tried to "kill" the audience, that is, to end the core audience as a consumer demographic.
Unlike converts such as yourself, most of us geeks care enough about video games, and know enough about their history to stand up to this bullshit and call it out for the conservative moral panic that it is. Sorry if you feel chagrin about being lumped in with Jack Thompson, but this is your home now. It's the future you chose. And when you finally go crawling back to your organised religion, you needn't expect anyone to turn the other cheek after everything that's happened.
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Re:nature will breed it out
And like you said, Instead of treating them like "noobs"/etc. Or making childish/gamergate type comments, and start offering advice "You keep doing YYYYY and that usually causes you to get killed. Try doing ZZZZZZ instead. It might help you keep from dying as quickly."
Right. Sure. Whatever you say. You're TOTALLY on the right side of this one buddy. "Oh look at all these horrible evil no good men.. but I'm not like that! Honest!"
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Re:Wonderful.
Thanks to the 4chan IRC logs we know that this is the standard tactic of the GamerGate crowd. Accuse the "SJWs" of everything they themselves are actually doing, using a vast array of puppet accounts. The most damning thing is that if any of this were true you would be welcoming it, since you could effortlessly get all the SJWs banned from Twitter. Just go and report their old posts right now. In fact, if you link to a few right now I'll do it for you.
Come on, I'm calling your bluff. Let's see your hand.
Gamergate actually tracked down an alleged harasser of Zoe Quinn and gave the information to her and the FBI, imploring them to investigate alleged harassment of both Quinn and Brianna Wu. Gamergate is not a harassment campaign, and it's not a small group of "cis white male nerds" with a ton of sock-puppet accounts. Look up #NotYourShield. Again, you claim to require evidence for your beliefs but do not require any evidence for the sock-puppet claims while ignoring any evidence to the contrary. Just as you have said, there's been no evidence that gamergate has harassed or "doxed" anyone either. There's also PLENTY of evidence in the twitter streams of various SJWs, indeed here's a thread whereby gamergate screencapped hateful shit SJWs say and made it into a meme: "Actually it's about equality." Checkout reddit's TumblrInAction for more SJW hypocrisy, or just search the phrase. (gee, it's like you're willfully ignorant, like you have some ulterior motive other than representing reality)
Even the articles written by SJW journalists provide copious amounts of evidence that these SJW journalists are (sometimes literally) in-bed with developers, and not disclosing their personal relationships. So, if the evidence is out there why aren't mainstream news sources covering gamergate as anything but a harassment campaign? (gee, it's like they're willfully ignorant, like they have some ulterior motive other than representing reality). Recently we've become aware that the GDC / IGDA awards have been essentially rigged, the judges don't play the games they downvote, and frequent judges vote on games except in years they submit a game, and then those games win awards as they're judged by their friends. Meanwhile the little guy who created equal or better quality content is bilked for his $100 entry fee without ever having a chance of winning, as it will be the clique-made SJW pandering walking simulator that win awards.
So, what's the deal? We have tons of evidence that you refuse to look at, with more happenings almost every day. We even have alternative and neutral game journalists we're supporting, as well as charities which we fund (even ones to help get girls into gamedev)... But no, it's somehow all just hateful troll sockpuppets who hate women so much that they sponsor a female only gamejam? The cognitive dissonance hurts, I get it. You don't want to believe that the media is colluding to push a narrative, but we have proof that's sadly what is happening.
In case you haven't noticed the average slashdaughter knows the SJW jig is up. That divide and conquer bullshit is just a tool by the media and state to control the populace. Re-evaluate your world view, because it's not based in reality -- it's based in unevidenced ideology, outright lies, and propaganda. Women's rights needs a divorce from Feminism. There never was a pay gap, not since at least the 70's.
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Re:Wonderful.
Thanks to the 4chan IRC logs we know that this is the standard tactic of the GamerGate crowd. Accuse the "SJWs" of everything they themselves are actually doing, using a vast array of puppet accounts. The most damning thing is that if any of this were true you would be welcoming it, since you could effortlessly get all the SJWs banned from Twitter. Just go and report their old posts right now. In fact, if you link to a few right now I'll do it for you.
Come on, I'm calling your bluff. Let's see your hand.
Gamergate actually tracked down an alleged harasser of Zoe Quinn and gave the information to her and the FBI, imploring them to investigate alleged harassment of both Quinn and Brianna Wu. Gamergate is not a harassment campaign, and it's not a small group of "cis white male nerds" with a ton of sock-puppet accounts. Look up #NotYourShield. Again, you claim to require evidence for your beliefs but do not require any evidence for the sock-puppet claims while ignoring any evidence to the contrary. Just as you have said, there's been no evidence that gamergate has harassed or "doxed" anyone either. There's also PLENTY of evidence in the twitter streams of various SJWs, indeed here's a thread whereby gamergate screencapped hateful shit SJWs say and made it into a meme: "Actually it's about equality." Checkout reddit's TumblrInAction for more SJW hypocrisy, or just search the phrase. (gee, it's like you're willfully ignorant, like you have some ulterior motive other than representing reality)
Even the articles written by SJW journalists provide copious amounts of evidence that these SJW journalists are (sometimes literally) in-bed with developers, and not disclosing their personal relationships. So, if the evidence is out there why aren't mainstream news sources covering gamergate as anything but a harassment campaign? (gee, it's like they're willfully ignorant, like they have some ulterior motive other than representing reality). Recently we've become aware that the GDC / IGDA awards have been essentially rigged, the judges don't play the games they downvote, and frequent judges vote on games except in years they submit a game, and then those games win awards as they're judged by their friends. Meanwhile the little guy who created equal or better quality content is bilked for his $100 entry fee without ever having a chance of winning, as it will be the clique-made SJW pandering walking simulator that win awards.
So, what's the deal? We have tons of evidence that you refuse to look at, with more happenings almost every day. We even have alternative and neutral game journalists we're supporting, as well as charities which we fund (even ones to help get girls into gamedev)... But no, it's somehow all just hateful troll sockpuppets who hate women so much that they sponsor a female only gamejam? The cognitive dissonance hurts, I get it. You don't want to believe that the media is colluding to push a narrative, but we have proof that's sadly what is happening.
In case you haven't noticed the average slashdaughter knows the SJW jig is up. That divide and conquer bullshit is just a tool by the media and state to control the populace. Re-evaluate your world view, because it's not based in reality -- it's based in unevidenced ideology, outright lies, and propaganda. Women's rights needs a divorce from Feminism. There never was a pay gap, not since at least the 70's.
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Re:Dox the Doxxers
What I think would be great to see, is if someone is found guilty of doxxing by Twitter to have the Twitter handle and IP addresses they have posted from put out in public (and the original doxxing removed of course), along with all other twitter handles that have posted from that IP.
An intriguing idea. Maybe we might learn the identity of this friend of Zoe Quinn who was doxxing people talking about the DMCA takedown and the censorship on Reddit back on August 20.
If any Slashdot readers have somehow missed hearing about the Gamergate controversy -- perhaps because Slashdot has not run any articles on it that were not hit pieces written by AmiMojo and approved by Timothy -- here is a timeline that explains it.
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Ars Technica and #Gamergate
First I want to say that Twitter has done a good job improving its reporting system. So thanks for them for that.
But I'd like to point out that the articles produced by Ars Technica cannot be trusted as a source in this matter. For example this Slashdot news item links to an article full of errors about the reasons Twitter has done this. The "vast harassment campaign" they're talking about is #Gamergate which is a reaction on behalf of gamers (aka. people who play computer and video games regularly) to a corrupt games journalism and other problems in games industry such as collusion, and censorship,.. not to mention the favoritism, cronyism and nepotism related issues.
Ars Technica writer Ben Kutchera has been accused of some really unethical things by the people who support #Gamergate. Kutchera for example is known to have taken part in journalistic collusion (Google GameJournoPro mailing list). He is also known for trying to tone police writers from other news outlets to write stuff from the same perspective as their clique did. And pressuring head of Escapist Magazine to censorship conversation about certain issues and especially things they didn't like. Like for example, people who criticise Anita Sarkeesian's extremist views. Mr. Kutchera was paying money for a developer through Patreon, and presumably was expecting this developer to give him exclusive interviews and stuff like that. Resulting both getting money and fame. And the proof of him doing all this is out there. And he is not the only one doing these things.
http://wiki.gamergate.me/index...
http://wiki.gamergate.me/index...Trying to avoid the talk about the corruption and GameJournoPro list, writers like Mr. Kuchera and the rest of the accused people from Polygon, Kotaku, Gamasutra, Ars, RPS, etc. have been opposing #Gamergate. They've actively been trying to derail the conversation by accusing pro-#GamerGate of some of the most depressing stuff I've ever read on-line. Ars Technica as a whole has either failed to understand everything related to the social phenomenon currently on-going (which they should understand, if I may add), or they know exactly what is going on and they're playing fools on purpose.
The "Chat Logs" in question were released by person who happens to be one of the people accused of cronyism and being professional victim by pro-#GamerGate people. And the evidence supporting these claims this is also out there if you Google it. Those pieces make a stronger case than the cherry-picked or out of context "Chat Logs" that support the other point of view in this matter.
It just blows my mind when person (or people this person knows), visit anonymous image boards (without understanding how they work), write bad stuff about themselves (which can be traced back to themselves), and then go to their Twitter accounts and blogs with the screenshots they just took of their own messages, and shout "Look! Here's evidence of how bad these people on this board are". And that's even more mind boggling is how journalistic outlets like Ars Technica without verifying person's story or listening to both parties in question, write articles about the person as the harassed underdog who is desperately in need of some more Patreon money or Kickstarter funding.
#GamerGate is just a hash tag like any other. Any one can go on-line and take part in it. Any one can go and do what they want with it. I'm sure that harassment has happened, release of private information has happened, and some other bad stuff has happened. And both the anti-#GamerGate, the trolls, and pro-#GamerGate have done it. And it's good that Twitter offers better tools for people to combat against this bad behaviour. And I also hope that they have a system in place against people who are abusing the report system.
However it is wrong for Ars Technica to make an article were they commit multiple logical fallacies, u
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Ars Technica and #Gamergate
First I want to say that Twitter has done a good job improving its reporting system. So thanks for them for that.
But I'd like to point out that the articles produced by Ars Technica cannot be trusted as a source in this matter. For example this Slashdot news item links to an article full of errors about the reasons Twitter has done this. The "vast harassment campaign" they're talking about is #Gamergate which is a reaction on behalf of gamers (aka. people who play computer and video games regularly) to a corrupt games journalism and other problems in games industry such as collusion, and censorship,.. not to mention the favoritism, cronyism and nepotism related issues.
Ars Technica writer Ben Kutchera has been accused of some really unethical things by the people who support #Gamergate. Kutchera for example is known to have taken part in journalistic collusion (Google GameJournoPro mailing list). He is also known for trying to tone police writers from other news outlets to write stuff from the same perspective as their clique did. And pressuring head of Escapist Magazine to censorship conversation about certain issues and especially things they didn't like. Like for example, people who criticise Anita Sarkeesian's extremist views. Mr. Kutchera was paying money for a developer through Patreon, and presumably was expecting this developer to give him exclusive interviews and stuff like that. Resulting both getting money and fame. And the proof of him doing all this is out there. And he is not the only one doing these things.
http://wiki.gamergate.me/index...
http://wiki.gamergate.me/index...Trying to avoid the talk about the corruption and GameJournoPro list, writers like Mr. Kuchera and the rest of the accused people from Polygon, Kotaku, Gamasutra, Ars, RPS, etc. have been opposing #Gamergate. They've actively been trying to derail the conversation by accusing pro-#GamerGate of some of the most depressing stuff I've ever read on-line. Ars Technica as a whole has either failed to understand everything related to the social phenomenon currently on-going (which they should understand, if I may add), or they know exactly what is going on and they're playing fools on purpose.
The "Chat Logs" in question were released by person who happens to be one of the people accused of cronyism and being professional victim by pro-#GamerGate people. And the evidence supporting these claims this is also out there if you Google it. Those pieces make a stronger case than the cherry-picked or out of context "Chat Logs" that support the other point of view in this matter.
It just blows my mind when person (or people this person knows), visit anonymous image boards (without understanding how they work), write bad stuff about themselves (which can be traced back to themselves), and then go to their Twitter accounts and blogs with the screenshots they just took of their own messages, and shout "Look! Here's evidence of how bad these people on this board are". And that's even more mind boggling is how journalistic outlets like Ars Technica without verifying person's story or listening to both parties in question, write articles about the person as the harassed underdog who is desperately in need of some more Patreon money or Kickstarter funding.
#GamerGate is just a hash tag like any other. Any one can go on-line and take part in it. Any one can go and do what they want with it. I'm sure that harassment has happened, release of private information has happened, and some other bad stuff has happened. And both the anti-#GamerGate, the trolls, and pro-#GamerGate have done it. And it's good that Twitter offers better tools for people to combat against this bad behaviour. And I also hope that they have a system in place against people who are abusing the report system.
However it is wrong for Ars Technica to make an article were they commit multiple logical fallacies, u
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Re:So Twitter's finally going to ban the SJWs?
I found something interesting about GamerGate the other day. Someone was trying to defend them by claiming that they donate to charities and linking to this page: http://gamergate.me/charity/
Click through some of the links to the actual donation pages, like this one: https://www.crowdrise.com/NSHG...
Notice how the campaign was set up by "Lo Ping" and he also donated almost all the money. If you look at the others a pattern emerges, it's always him or one other guy donating 95% of the cash. Strangely when you look on the web sites of the charities they list there are never any press releases mentioning kind donations from GamerGate, which seems like a missed PR opportunity.
In fact it appears that Lo Ping has set up these fake charity drives, donated most of the cash himself to make them look successful, and then let other saps throw some cash in too. The money is then paid to Lo Ping who pockets it, getting his investment back plus what all the other victims donated.
If GamerGaters want to do some investigation into ethics, maybe they should start with their own charity efforts.
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Re:Three Cheers for Zoe Quinn
Have a read: http://wiki.gamergate.me/index...
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Re:Slashdot stance on #gamergateSex was inconsequential. Nathan was friends with Zoe going back as far as 2012, twitter history proves that. On top of that Nathan was thanked in the games credits, so even if they weren't having a sexual relationship, he was promoting his own game without disclosure and was friends with the dev he was writing about, without disclosure. Even if it was two days after he'd written about her, it's still proof their relationship was close enough he should have recused himself or disclosed the relationship.
Also the whole mess with Nathan Grayson was only the tip of the iceberg. Milo Yiannopoulos released the GameJournoPro mailing list, which was based of the JournoList mailing list that was a huge scandal in the mainstream media and got people fired back in 2010 for blacklisting and collusion, but hey didn't work for them lets start anther one. For the most part the GJP was harmless, but they did discuss blacklisting people, donating to patreons of gamedevs, how to narrate the GamerGate story, what game developers to suppress and what ones to promote, which is all collusion.
Then there's the "Gamers are Dead" articles, which discuss the death of the "Gamer" identity. 10+ nearly identically worded articles all released in 24 hours, sorry but if that doesn't prove collusion I don't know what does. These articles are ACTUALLY what got GamerGate going. I could have cared less about Zoe Quinn and Nathan Grayson, but the gaming media slandering an entire demographic that's supposed to be their customers? To what end? In defense of their poor behaviour and being asked to be more ethical? Yeah that didn't fly with me, and if you look at the Topsy graph you can see August 28th is where GamerGate starts to go in to full swing.
What's really funny though is at the end of the graph where #GamerGate is still getting 20K-25K tweets a day, most of the people I got into #GamerGate with aren't even using the tag anymore. We're all mostly following each other now, so using the tag to talk is pointless, we just read our regular twitter feeds, or spend time on KiA, or 8Chan. I'm pretty much just a twitter user myself, but I'm warming up to KiA. It's really easy to miss info on twitter and 140 characters sucks and encourages people to get into on sentence slap fights. Which is pretty much all you see on the #GamerGate tag now.
The big issue is people are SOOOOOOO hung up on Zoe Quinn, most of us didn't care about her in the first place, but we're forever stuck explaining the origins rather than talking about what's happened since. GamerGate has already been successful:- It had several sites update their ethical policies, The Escapist, IGN, and PC Gamer.
- Journalist ARE using disclosures now.
- It helped point out blacklisting and collusion in the industry, like the blacklisting of Allistair Pinsof.
- Pushed the FTC along in updating their guidelines and they're investigating sites like Gawker.
- Cost Gawker Media millions in lost ad revenue and forced them to retroactively update articles with associated links
- As a bonus GamerGate's donated over $120K to various projects to get women into the industry (TFYC & BasedGamer), and charities (anti-bullying, suicide prevention, UNICEF, GamerFruit, etc..) http://gamergate.me/charity/
So whatever happens to GamerGate from here on out, it's already a win. People can throw all the crap they want at Gamers. Where people sit around and complain about the media or just accept it's corrupt and there's nothing to be done, we stood up and made an ACTUAL difference, even if people don't want to recognize it.
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Re:It Remains a Journalism Scandal. Deal With It.
> because the guy never wrote an article about zoe's game!
Yes he did. http://wiki.gamergate.me/index...
FFS, he's even in the credits for the game. http://theralphretort.com/zoe-...If this is about ethics in game journalism, why isn't GG supporters focusing their attention and criticism on the actual game journalist who actually did the alleged unethical journalism. His role seems to be a side story in most of these discussions, when it is claimed to be the main agenda.
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Re:Link please?
Sigh.
Gjoni did not *claim* that Zoe got a positive review in exchange for sex, at any point. He did not "later admit that didn't happen"; he later clarified that he never made such a claim, even though it was already perfectly obvious, to anyone who actually *read the blog post*, that he never made such a claim. He only claimed that the relationship happened, which is not in dispute (even Totilo's response cedes this).
Gjoni's blog post was not in any reasonable sense "a long attack screed", which again is obvious to anyone who actually read it. He did not at any point post the story to "the *chan boards"; he posted it on the Something Awful forums and Penny Arcade forums, and then moved it to a Wordpress blog after those posts were deleted. 4chan found the link on their own. It was ( http://theflounce.com/harassme... ) a recounting of gaslighting and emotional abuse that he suffered in that relationship, that I am 110% confident would have been taken seriously by you and everyone who thinks like you if the genders were reversed.
Some people, other than Gjoni, have erroneously claimed that such a review happened, because of a combination of it fitting the evidence / their mental models, and the natural corruption of rumors. What *did* happen is that Grayson painted an unusually positive picture of Quinn's involvement in the GAME_JAM debacle ( https://archive.today/qErD0 ), noting her as the creator of DQ in that article (at a point when neither she nor her game was notable), two days before joining her on a trip to Las Vegas; gave DQ top billing on a list of 50 newly greenlit games on Steam ( https://archive.today/iS4Ru ) - the only one to include a screenshot; and beta-tested DQ (his name is listed in the credits in the HTML source) without ever disclosing this fact in any of his coverage. Twitter search results confirm that he has at least known Quinn on a personal level since at least June of 2012 ( https://archive.today/j5DW0 ).
(More info: http://wiki.gamergate.me/index... )
As for criticism of Sarkeesian, if you think that's all the criticism amounts to, you are *seriously* delusional. The content of many games has been blatantly misrepresented; for example, she spoke about how Hitman:Absolution rewards and expects certain behaviour (shooting the strippers in a strip club in one particular mission), over top of footage that shows the player being *explicitly penalized* for it, and which LPers of the game overwhelmingly don't do. More to the point, she argues from a framework wherein any act of violence against a woman in a game is inherently evidence of misogyny and proof of encouragement of "violence against women", while literally orders of magnitude more violence against male characters in the same games is completely ignored. But you don't even have to look at the videos to criticize her for the fact that in spite of receiving over 25 times the funding she asked for on Kickstarter, she is halfway through a series that is now *over two years overdue* ( https://www.kickstarter.com/pr... ). There are also over 3,000 people to whom she owes "your name in the video credits".
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Re:It Remains a Journalism Scandal. Deal With It.
> because the guy never wrote an article about zoe's game! Yes he did. http://wiki.gamergate.me/index... FFS, he's even in the credits for the game. http://theralphretort.com/zoe-...
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Re:cowardice
The problem is GamerGate started with
....Gamergate started when Eron Gjoni posted a long, rambling post about how his ex-girlfriend was abusive. And it would have ended there too if not for one tiny detail in the huge post which only gamers could spot and see the significance of:
Friggen Nathan Stupid-Red-Pants-Wearing Kotaku-Writing Grayson.
Gjoni's post revealed the truth. One of the foremost proponents of "Gamers == Sexists", writing for one of the largest proponents of "Gamers ==Misogynerds" had -- all the while he was denouncing the gaming community -- felt free to have affairs with indie developers even as he promoted their games. The Game Journalist Emperors had no clothes. Grayson was the journalist who intimidated Blizzard dev Dustin Browder into an apology last year over trumped up charges of sexism, yet this same journalist felt all too at ease having affairs and friendships with young women working in the industry. Hell, his editor at Kotaku, Stephen Totilo, outright stated that there was "no reason to believe any further action need be taken.".
Jesus. There might be mixed opinions on Zoe Quinn, but I pity the actual hard working women trying to make video games in the indie scene. If the FBI aren't investigating the press and indie outlets for gross sexual misconduct now, I guarantee they will be in 20 years time if this is the editorial attitude of the people in charge of these places.
But let's not talk about that. Look, these poor women are being harassed! Bad gamers, bad! Quick, tell them they're "Dead"! Give more terrible games 9/10! Rile 'em up. Call in the mainstream media. Keep souring the bad blood behind all of this to drive up clicks. After 3 months of this, video game retail sales were down 11% in Novemeber, and I know where the blame lies -- sensationalist journalists more willing to attack consumers for profit that care about the industry and community they're supposed to be covering.
If you want to understand why gamers are pissed off, just take a look at the Gamergate Timeline. The journalists who have spent the last two years hazing gamers for being sexists were finally caught with their pants down, and their reaction was to silence, haze, censor, and smear. That the internet was so vulnerable to this is another matter, but the root of the issue is that game journalists have become antagonistic towards gamers and hold all the cards.
Only industry intervention can break this deadlock. Publishers need to step in.
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Re:gg
http://press.gamergate.me/doss... https://gitgud.net/gamergate/g... tl;dr game journalism is ridiculously corrupt and calling "misogyny" on anyone who criticizes it.
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Gamergate Timelines
Slashdotters unwilling to blindly swallow Bennett Haselton's #Gamergate revisionism here should familiarise themselves with the actual history of #Gamergate
And anyone unfamiliar with the entire debate should remember one thing. The two parties in the dispute are gamers, and games journalists --- journalists who buy ink by the barrel. Not that I am suggesting that Mr Haselton is a journalist, but his views are based on an awful lot of spilled ink. And as so much has been spilled, you can safely consider the first record of #Gamergate history to have been spin-doctored.
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Re:THIS is the kind of thing that GamerGate is abo
Nonsense.
The extreme lengths people go to paint GamerGate as harassment is a wonderful example of how desperate this is getting.
You could start with our press kit - which has been carefully assembled by trolls and misogynists to fool even the most diligent press and neutral observers!
But seriously you don't need to listen to me. We aren't hiding anything. Visit the #GamerGate hashtag on twitter or the website. The idea that men, women and minorities of all kinds right across the politicial spectrum are engaged in a 3 month harassment campaign (on the net that's an eternity) of women is completely irrational and fact-free.
But you're welcome to come and see for yourself. You can even get involved in digging out corruption in videogames yourself!
Personally I like mentally replacing claims of 'harassment' with 'criticism' in most of these arguments. It makes the insane actions of the zealots desperate to crush GamerGate a lot more understandable.
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Re:THIS is the kind of thing that GamerGate is abo
Nonsense.
The extreme lengths people go to paint GamerGate as harassment is a wonderful example of how desperate this is getting.
You could start with our press kit - which has been carefully assembled by trolls and misogynists to fool even the most diligent press and neutral observers!
But seriously you don't need to listen to me. We aren't hiding anything. Visit the #GamerGate hashtag on twitter or the website. The idea that men, women and minorities of all kinds right across the politicial spectrum are engaged in a 3 month harassment campaign (on the net that's an eternity) of women is completely irrational and fact-free.
But you're welcome to come and see for yourself. You can even get involved in digging out corruption in videogames yourself!
Personally I like mentally replacing claims of 'harassment' with 'criticism' in most of these arguments. It makes the insane actions of the zealots desperate to crush GamerGate a lot more understandable.