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Re:Seriously then
Because current car technology doesn't do that yet.
Google begs to differ.
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Re:Microsoft craps its pants
2015 will be year of the Linux Desktop!
Guess you have not been paying attention, chromebooks are here and occupying all the top slots and rating on Amazon, making a killing in schools, and have a slew of new models out now, and not have Android compatibility...you know the OS that put iOS and windows in the ground...they even look like a mackbook air *winks*.
GNU/Linux continues to do very nicely as well.
So where are your solid numbers (Amazon ratings and sales ranks don't specify models sold) ? And please let me know if I can use my Chromebook offline on my airplaine. Sorry, no way a Chromebook is replacing my Macbook anytime - I see you can't even view the movies you buy on the Google Play store offline [1] (ie, in an airplane - no that GoGo streaming is not allowed for movies) - what use is that?
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Re:It's like, how much more black could this be?
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Re:Cashless can't happen, here is why ...
Crappy list of examples, I'm sure there are hundreds of examples: 1) What about if I want to buy your [insert bike or computer or whatever]? 2) Baby sitter? 3) Kid's allowance? 4) Pay some kid kid to mow yard. 5) Underground transactions (illegal stuff)
All but "5" are covered by NFC and a paypal or google-wallet (or similar micro-transaction service).
I'm only surprised it hasn't hit mainstream yet. All it would take is for a few major banks to partner with ATT/VZW and you'd be walking around with a debitcard embedded in your phone - by default.
Note, I'm not saying I'd prefer this situation. I'm just aware that this is where things are headed.
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Should have been Ascension Island
While I was VP for Public Affairs at E'Prime Aerospace, we evaluated various sites for establishing a space port to launch our MX-derived rockets. It turned out that the presence of a military air strip at Ascension Island allowed a military jet transport large enough to deliver entire launch vehicles. Of course, the MX system was solid fueled so we didn't have to transport cryogenics long distances, but it would be feasible to set up a LOX facility on the island. There is a particular coastal cliff that is ideal for a launch pad.
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There may be a constitutional barrier
Unless one posits a governmental alternative to private banks, the U.S. Constitution raises some barriers to a "cashless society." In the Supreme Court's recent Obamacare ruling (PDF), the court held that neither the Commerce Clause nor the Necessary and Proper Clause provide Congress with power to require that a person participate in commerce, i.e., by requiring that they buy health insurance. The relevant legislation was upheld under the Congressional power to levy taxes, in the form of a penalty for those who do not buy health insurance.
Requiring that people enter into a business arrangement with a private bank to handle their funds would seem to run into the same barrier, leaving the question whether Congress has power to require people to pay all debts via a private bank under its power to coin money and set the value thereof, in legal effect requiring people to loan money to private banks in the form of deposits.
The factual basis for such a test case already exists because of a statute requiring that all payments of Social Security and Dept. of Veteran Affairs benefits (and wages of federal employees) be made by electronic funds transfer, which as currently implemented can only be made to private banks other than the Federal Reserve Banks.
By way of disclosing my bias, I have boycotted banks since the collapse of the economy in 2008 because of massive bankster fraud that caused that collapse. I have refused to accept payment of VA and Social Security benefits by that method. I do not intend to loan my money to banks and am willing to litigate that issue if necessary.
Paul E. "Marbux" Merrell, J.D.
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Re:Snowden / Binney 2016
Gee, If only there was a way to find out...
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Re:this is a good thing
As a matter of fact it WAS in class at school, maybe your school sucks? Here, this will get you started.
https://www.google.com/webhp?c...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
http://www.fee.org/the_freeman...
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Re:this is a good thing
I have not seen any example of people being taught to hate the rich, nor have I seen anyone specifically bitching about people making something of themselves. Perhaps you do fear these ideas are being taught to the current generation, but if so, these fears are completely unfounded. In your position, I would re-examine the source of these fears and likely (going forward) disregard all information from these sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...
https://www.google.com/webhp?c...I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion(s) of the article, but on the general topic of income inequality I am certain that not addressing it as a problem will cost all of society more in the long term, and, a lot of research is being done wrt to cause and effect of income inequality. None of the articles produced by this research are motivated by jealousy, or a hatred for people that made something of themselves. They are motivated by the belief that our democracy at least, and our very nation possibly, are seriously threatened by income inequality.
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Jane is Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar
Someone (myself or a friend or even just someone I know) posted a file for me that I later linked to for YOUR viewing (I remember the context of the circumstances and you were being your usual [my opinion] asshole self). Who that was is ambiguous. Possibly I am a friend of this person, which is WHY I asked him to post the file.
Lonny Eachus isn't ambiguous.
The next obvious google search showed that in 2009 Jane Q. Public asked about the "money siphon system" scam a few hours before Lonny Eachus bought into it. Those are the only posts Jane Q. Public and Lonny Eachus left on that forum. They both disappeared after those posts, presumably by ambiguous coincidence.
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Re:When the CDC sneezes, everyone catches a cold
It's not the cold that kills you - it's the cure for the common cold. And not everybody dies. Or stays dead.
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Re:@CauseBy - Re:Yes
Allow joggers to skip songs without carrying their smartphones in their hands.
Or they could use voice control. But I doubt holding it in their hands or fishing it out of ones pocket is really all that much worse than trying to fuck around with your watch while jogging. In fact I would bet either of those are easier.
Yeah, still no valid use cases for a smartwatch.
Or just click the "next" button on their headphones. You don't even need fancy bluetooth ones for that. First pair I ran into on an quick amazon search:
$20: http://www.google.com/url?q=ht...Has inline volume slider, and one button. Works like apple headphones.
Click button once for play/pause or to answer calls.
Click twice to skip to next track
Click three times to go back a trackEvery set of stereo bluetooth headphones also seem to have these features (and possibly more) as well. If you're using headphones, then you don't need this feature on your watch.
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Re:Needs functionality
In the old days (1980s), my laptop would go weeks without a battery charge.
I guess if you didn't turn it on, and I'm calling BS.
As someone that worked on the Original Thinkpads (IBM 755cx and the 701C (butterfly), I guarantee you that no laptop in the 1980s could run for weeks without a charge, unless you claimed systems that were more calculator than laptop (intel 386/486 type CPU).
Note that the 755CX sold for about $6000 back then.
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I miss my Casio CFX-200
I miss my Casio CFX-2000. Wish they still made them... I used to use the scientific calculator features an awful lot when I was still in school. Exponentials and Trig proved very useful many a time!
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Re:No thank you
Why worry, when the full terms and conditions of the Google Privacy Policy are protecting you?
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Re:OK
No, not "good work". And we're not going to fire any missiles at China.
The article essentially told us absolutely nothing useful.
I don't give a crap where the command and control for the malware is.
I need to know who the manufacturer is, what brands that manufacturer produces, and what specific products we're talking about.
And that's exactly what the rest of you need to know as well, because at least some of us need to know what scanners we need to find and toss in a bin. And we need to know what to look for on the backend systems that have apparently been affected so we can clean them and lock them down.
Lanxiang Vocational School (no idea if that's the right one, or, after looking at the map, if there are any scanner manufacturers in the area) is not someplace I've ever heard of before, and I don't see any obvious factories on that map.
Horrible FUD article.
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Re:Yay big government!
But top-tier incomes are really unstable, they go down fast in a downturn and up fast in an upturn, so federal revenue takes it on the chin from that group during times like 2008-2011.
Is that a bad thing or a good thing? If the ideal case is for taxation to decrease during lean times, and to increase during times of plenty, that might make a rather nice automatic adjustment.
That's probably the dominant factor in changes federal revenue as a percentage of GOP these days, now that 1% of tax payers pay about 1/3 of all income taxes, and that noise drowns out any signal we might get from changes in top marginal rate.
Also worth noting that in the 1950s and 1960s, the period of greatest economic growth in our history, we had a much higher top marginal rate. As corollary evidence, consider that a lower Gini index (less income concentration) correlates to a higher GDP per capita (PPP, product per person) all over the world.
I don't care about equality for its own sake, I'm a heartless economist: Whatever maximizes long run GDP is the best answer; it makes the rich richest, and it makes the poor richest, and it makes everyone in between richest, in the long run. That is the only objective definition of "good" in my world. There's a lot of unfounded beliefs on both sides of the argument, but the data, if you look at it without presuming to know the answer, points pretty hard in one direction.
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Re:Yay big government!
Do you want to increase tax revenue, or tax rates? The two are not necessarily the same, depending on which side of the Laffer Curve we currently occupy.
Tax revenue as a percentage of GDP is now, and has been for a decade, lower than it was in the 50's and 60's. Since the 50's and 60's were the two decades when we rose to superpower -- with the highest sustained GDP growth in our history -- empirical data says we are safe to at least go up to that level.
I would posit that we are almost certainly in the big hairy middle section of the Neo-Laffer Curve. That is, even without the evidence we gathered during our golden era, I would still suspect we are far from the point where excessive taxation becomes a primary cause of reduced GDP growth.
a revenue reduction concurrent with an even larger spending reduction.
Yes, as soon as we get that big spending reduction (which I favor), we can take revenue increases off the table. Meanwhile, I remain a fiscal conservative; our deficit is excessive, and we must do all of: cut defense, cut health spending, cut social security, and increase revenue until we bring the deficit under control. We cannot tolerate saying, "But not the one I don't like." Bullshit. Cut them all, and increase revenue, until we get the deficit under control. Then we can have our pudding, but we can't have any pudding if we don't eat our meat.
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Jane is Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar
So you're doubling down on your accusations of lies, because your Sauron-class Morton's demon convinced you that you have very damned good reason to believe you were telling the truth. Just like you've doubled down on almost every other absurd claim you've made (an astonishingly vast collection- you're like a nonsense firehose). And like most of those other times, you reasonably should have known that. So once again, I'm not surprised that you can't recognize that your libelous accusations are baseless.
But how could you possibly not recognize that you're Lonny Eachus, a pathological liar posing as a woman on the internet?
In 2012 Jane Q. Public left a public comment at my website linking to http://things.titanez.net/dl/asshole-pseudo-scientist.png.
Googling things.titanez.net showed that it's Lonny Eachus's website.
Jane could've posted a screenshot of our conversation anonymously at a site like PostImg, but Jane's charming filename seemed like a message. So I wondered if Jane's domain name was also a deliberate message. Was it a cry for help? Part of Jane's comedy act? It couldn't be an unintentional rookie mistake, because Jane's a skilled web developer.
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Re:Unsafe at any speed (above 100 MPH)...Actually, since energy goes up at the square of velocity, a jump from 100 to 70 is double the impact energy.
Also, getting your car ripped in half after hitting a pole apparently is "normal", in that it happens to many cars. https://www.google.com/search?... It's unfortunate, but physics isn't your friend in situations like this.
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Re: Perhaps stupid question
Please notice the qualification "steady flight". Birds are moving.
Drones are moving too. False distinction is false.
You can probably recognize a bird as such and thus gauge its size (as it is an object you would expect to encounter), whereas a drone could have any shape or color or may even be made to look like a typical helicopter scaled down. There's no a priori estimate of such an object's size.
It was a toy. It looked like a toy. And if the source linked in this story was something besides the NY Post, you might actually get useful information like the type of drone (a DGI Phantom 2), photos, or a video showing one of the defendants with his toy (screengrab).
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Newsroom?
They seem to be talking about Google Trends, where they are currently making cutesy graphs of what people are searching for about the World Cup.
Calling this a "newsroom" seems to be a bit of a stretch. This is NOT "Google News" where I see "humiliation", "shame" and "misery" in the top stories when searching for "Brazil World Cup".
This had me really confused (and it seems like many of the readers here as well), but the article and summary are misleading.
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Newsroom?
They seem to be talking about Google Trends, where they are currently making cutesy graphs of what people are searching for about the World Cup.
Calling this a "newsroom" seems to be a bit of a stretch. This is NOT "Google News" where I see "humiliation", "shame" and "misery" in the top stories when searching for "Brazil World Cup".
This had me really confused (and it seems like many of the readers here as well), but the article and summary are misleading.
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Re:TSA waiting line will be interesting now
No need to wait for Fourth of July any more. Once this technology is fully deployed in all airports by TSA you would be seeing this. . The large donut and the thick pillar are parts of the Van de Graff generator
No, they aren't. Those are pictures of Tesla coils. A Van de Graff generator is like an industrial version of rubbing a glass rod with a piece of wool - it works via electrostatics. A Tesla coil is a resonant transformer with a huge turns ratio - it works via magnetic induction.
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Re:The TSA has a new toy..
I'd be skeptical that sticking one hand on a Van DeGraff generator won't do anything for someone with a pacemaker. In order for things to get weird, you need some other part of the body grounded (e.g., the other hand touching earth ground), such that current passes through the person. Just building up a large electrostatic charge on the skin of someone isn't such a big deal, because a pacemaker (and, particularly, its electrodes) are contained within the body. If, as the article suggests, they turn this into a phone booth-like chamber, it should be pretty easy to ensure that the person inside is "floating", electrically, and unable to complete a circuit with their body.
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TSA waiting line will be interesting now
No need to wait for Fourth of July any more. Once this technology is fully deployed in all airports by TSA you would be seeing this. . The large donut and the thick pillar are parts of the Van de Graff generator.
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Re:There's already a Tesla museum, in Belgrade.
It wouldn't have done what he envisioned, but it could well have proven to be the worlds' first VLF radio station.
Marconi already had VLF working, sort of, before Wardenclyffe was built. Marconi's R&D approach was to transmit across short distances, test and improve the hardware, then try longer distances. Over a few years, he slowly worked up from across the room to across the ocean. Less grandiose than Tesla, but more successful.
Tesla is said to have assisted in the construction of the 1913 Telefunken VLF station on Long Island, but the IRE Journal article doesn't mention him. Telefunken built a VLF antenna much the way one would be built today - a simple guyed tower resting on an insulator base, with wires spreading outward to a circle of poles. They only used 35KW, instead of Tesla's 200KW. The station communicated with a similar station in Germany.
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you need to claim your business
Make a google account. Claim the business. go through the verification process.
https://support.google.com/pla...
And then after that they only take updates from you unless someone else can succeed at the verification process which should be a bit hard without pilfering your mail.
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Not a chance
they'd never make it out of the Sheldon Primary
For those of you that don't know, any serious candidate for office in America gets approved by the top 1% here before they're allowed to run because without the support of the very rich they can't win. -
Saw this the other day on SN
This was discussed already and the general conclusion was the restaurant had very poor service. Poor service will kill a reputation faster than anything else. I remember going to a restaurant that was short staffed. They were trying to accommodate people, and were nice about it. But after waiting 30 minutes for bread, we left. You can always expect bad reviews based on food, you can't please everyone.
Plus I don't think Google information can kill a place in just a few weeks. People have phones and call ahead to confirm hours, seating availability, location and even directions. I know I always call. It's lazy people who just browse Google and believe everything they see without confirmation.
Website: http://www.serbiancrown.com/
Yelp Reviews: http://www.yelp.com/biz/serbian-crown-restaurant-great-falls
Trip Advisor reviews: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g57783-d497915-Reviews-The_Serbian_Crown_Restaurant-Great_Falls_Fairfax_County_Virginia.html
Google Maps entry: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Serbian+Crown+Restaurant/@38.97349,-77.295876,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b6360d0a8fbba5:0x79a2bbe49b2f3a1e
Most of the reviews complain about very poor service. Waiters not checking up on the tables, one guest said they had to wander around to find a water pitcher and refill it themselves. People have waited 30+ minutes to receive the menu and bread. One guest claimed they were there for over 3 hours in total waiting for various courses. Guests would arrive only to find there was not host/hostess at the podium to seat them. Guests complained about rude staff both in person and over the phone. And these aren't recent complaints, they go back to 2010.
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Talking of FUD
Similarly there's a lot of FUD about RIPA's password clause by people who haven't read the law which explicitly states that police have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone has a key before they can be prosecuted for not handing it over
Except it doesn't.
The actual quote from the law is:For the purposes of this section a person shall be taken to have shown that he was not in possession of a key to protected information at a particular time if— (a)sufficient evidence of that fact is adduced to raise an issue with respect to it; and (b)the contrary is not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
IOW the defence has to show "sufficient evidence
... to raise an issue", and then and only then does the prosecution have to prove 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. So this is a completely new standard of proof introduced into the British criminal system after 1000 years of using only the 'proof beyond a reasonable doubt' test. How do you show 'sufficient evidence' that you have forgotten a password? Nobody knows.
AFAIK (and IANAL) no judge has yet accepted the defence has shown 'sufficient evidence'. How do you show a negative - that you don't know something? Maybe judges think (correctly) that it's impossible to 'raise an issue', so the prosecution never has to prove anything apart from that you didn't hand over a password.
This is what's known as the 'reverse burden of proof' introduced in RIPA. You don't have to prove 'beyond a reasonable doubt' you forgot the password, but you do have to show 'sufficient evidence', or - if you don't hand over a password - you're automatically guilty.
What's more the Home Office code of practice says that even if you have 'sufficient evidence' - it might not even be allowed in court 'if the person fails to raise some doubt as to whether he still had the key when the notice was given'.it's never happened, everyone prosecuted to date has been like the plonker in yesterday's news story who incriminated themselves for the simple reason they were actually dickheads.
Perhaps you're assuming no judge would be that corrupt,so here's a case of someone who quite plausibly forgot his password being imprisoned:
A TEEN who refused to give police officers an encryption password for his computer has been jailed for four months. Evidence showed that the defendant admitted in police interviews that he had set an encrypted password of between 40 and 50 characters containing both letters and numbers using an encryption software programme and that he had had originally relied on his memory to recall it but could not recall it when he was served with the notice.
The jury heard both the prosecution and defence case and accepted the prosecution case that the defendant must have kept a record of this very complex password, rather than relying on memory, and that he had deliberately failed to disclose it to the police. They returned a guilty verdict after 15 minutes deliberation.Incidentally, if you do get ordered to hand over a password - even to sometimes else's data you happen to have - you're not allowed to tell anyone, presumably not even to ask for the password.
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Re:Something missing from the summary
It just might have had something to do with being involved in a high speed chase, smashing into several other vehicles and then finally hitting a large metal pole sideways.
While some popular US vehicles might be able to drive away from that kind of collision, it seems that the Tesla model S isn't in the same league as far as survivability goes.
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Re:Dart is an ECMA standard
Also, to address the license/patent issues, Dart is provided under a BSD-like license and includes a patent grant.
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Re:Dart is an ECMA standard
Also, to address the license/patent issues, Dart is provided under a BSD-like license and includes a patent grant.
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Re:Tested the ISO and...
Tested the ISO and I see more of the same as before.
Kashew turned into a hamburger menu but still it cannot be removed. It's menu appears under windows so it's useless if there is any window close to it.The cashew is actually useful. It's a small price to pay for being able to configure the right click on the desktop.
I remember people removing the cashew via a hack and then accidentally disabling the right click menu. They could not configure their desktop any more.
Sure the Plasma team could implement a "if right-click menu active, then don't show cashew", but it's too much effort for something you can easily hide behind a panel.Option for classic menu launcher removed. Again, forcing settings to users.
They are implementing a way to change between plasmoids that have the same function that's more general than the right click menu entry from Plasma 4.
Anyway for the time being you can manually replace the Kickoff menu by a more classic one.Task bar has another hamburger menu that does the same than clicking on the bar with right menu button and selecting "Panel Settings" from pop up menu. Is this really used so often that it needs it's own icon wasting space on the task bar?
It's a visual indicator that your widgets are unlocked. Lock them and the hamburger vanishes (just like the Plasma 4 version).
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Re:Can't we just say people took naked pics?
Avast is a corporation. Corporations tend to be conservative in their use of language (outside of the porn industry, at least). Using the term "penis" in a press release isn't going to happen.
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Re:Responsive Design Mode
That wall of screen was a tradeshow display -- by Google, of course. But check this link (it's in the intro text) again: https://groups.google.com/foru...
The idea isn't that every Web designer in the world should have his or her own wall of screens, but that you and other people who make sites and games and such might collaborate on setting up a group of displays that includes some of the most popular OSes, browsers, and device form factors.
I have always been shocked at how many people who make websites design for a browser, OS, and screen size just like theirs. I remember a conversation in 1998 or so with with a web designer who said, "But our target audience is like you and me - they all have big monitors."
I said, "Really?" and hauled out my little laptop. "What if I'm looking at your site in a hotel room someplace instead of in my home office?"
"Oh," he said.
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Re:Hangouts only works on Chrome
This is coming from the company that recently decided that Hangouts only works in their Chrome browser.
According to this help section on Google Hangout, this is not currently true.
You say this is a "recent" decision, so I may have missed it. Please give us a citation.
Looks like you're right. Although, today, when I tried to install it in firefox (version 29), I got this error message, which told me that I needed to download Chrome (it did NOT tell me that my browser was too old).
So I stand corrected, I apologize, but I do cast some of that blame onto their own error message.
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Re:Hangouts only works on Chrome
This is coming from the company that recently decided that Hangouts only works in their Chrome browser.
According to this help section on Google Hangout, this is not currently true.
You say this is a "recent" decision, so I may have missed it. Please give us a citation.
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Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings
Android 4.x devices like the Nexus 7 don't have a dedicated menu button. And in this copy of Google Maps, there's no "tricolon" button where the overflow menu is supposed to be.
https://support.google.com/gmm/answer/6054498?p=maps_android_tips_tricks&hl=en&rd=2
The first thing that came up on my phone for this? "Popular tip: View maps offline." I got to it from within Maps by opening the menu off to the left side and hitting "Tips and Tricks" down at the bottom.
(This was on a Moto X running Android 4.4. YMMV.)
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Re:This is why genital recognition is needed.
Bicycle seats do not make contact with one's genitals, regardless of gender.
You would think that but:
https://www.google.com/search?q=World+Naked+Bike+Ride&num=30&newwindow=1&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=xSK7U_LMO8n0oATDrYKgDw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=961&bih=460There is not a can of lysol or bottle of purell to be had in that city on the day after the event...
NSFW
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The article is a failure
From TFA: "On the other hand, the Samsung watch is the clear winner on overall build quality."
From reality: http://www.androidpolice.com/2...
That's right - it's been only 2 weeks or so since Google I/O and Samsung devices are ALREADY breaking with multiple reports of the same failure mode.
In addition, there are frequent reports of display corruption that doesn't happen with the LG: https://plus.google.com/+Artem...
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Re:Pay attention to that man behind the curtain
Dude, you must have taken your tin foil hat off
.. I could see you for a second.All those
/// are coming from screwed up mirror/spider software (you probably wrote it) that is does not properly pay attention to robos.txt and does not properly query the tree. We didn't see it in testing becuase we queried the tree correctly. We are working with gitblit (the open source software git.centos.org is hosted with), to get this bug fixed and we will be rolling it in soon now that we have CentOS-7 released:http://code.google.com/p/gitbl...
If you do a dig for the ipaddress and look at the location, git.centos.org is not hosted in a Red Hat datacenter.
You also must not have seen the more than 500 mirrors wrldwide that host CentOS content:
http://www.centos.org/download...So, other than every single point of your post being wrong, it was a very well and thought out piece of writing.
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Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings
https://support.google.com/gmm... View maps offline
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Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings
Actually last I looked my mothers job used it. it integrated into the rest of their software package so that addresses and route planning could be done easy.
Not sure if they currently can use it but since bing maps like google maps requires internet connections probably not. Not every where they travel have 2G service let alone 3G.
What gets me is why doesn't google or bing maps have an offline mode?Cache a couple of states or even just counties.
they do... https://support.google.com/gmm...
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Google graph
If you can interpret the graph of "Video consumptiion AND streaming quality" you're doing better than me, https://www.google.com/get/vid...
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Re:This is why genital recognition is needed.
Bicycle seats do not make contact with one's genitals, regardless of gender.
You would think that but:
https://www.google.com/search?q=World+Naked+Bike+Ride&num=30&newwindow=1&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=xSK7U_LMO8n0oATDrYKgDw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=961&bih=460
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Re:that's a ways off
Won't take long. Google is already preparing itself for killer robots.
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Re:How do they handle water?
They are both advertised as IP67 dust- and water-resistant.
Google's marketing claims they're even safe to wear while showering:
https://play.google.com/store/...
https://play.google.com/store/...
Not sure I'd do that if I got one...