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Then why do this this and this say they founded HP in 1939.

I'd like to inject a little bit of concrete food for though into the argument. I just took a look over at HP's Job Application Page. It would seem the Indian facilities are constantly in a hiring phase (it's been like this for months, if you check regularly).

It does seem to be as the parent post suggests.

Just making a search using the term 'Service' at HP India produces 192 new positions.

Job Search HP India

(Scroll down if you don't have a vertical monitor / insane resolution)

Owned by Compaq

...who are owned by HP now. See the HP Integrity NonStop systems.

You want this?

Find me a DOS version that supports USB hardware, and a USB storage device that can talk to DOS over said hardware, AND that I can boot DOS from if I need to, and I will consider giving up floppies.

• http://www.fdos.org/freedos/news/newsitem/149.html
• http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20021003S0 007
• http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm (how-to)

• Util from HP that some claim works with generic USB drives
  

hp use to sell these as servers - they sell them as desktops now... http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/s m/desktops/blade/bc1000_overview.html

hp has been selling these for years. I guess IBM is still trying to catch up. http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/s m/desktops/blade/bc1000_overview.html They would be good for a call center or somewhere where you did not need the power and/or expandibility of a full PC.

Not the first hp has been selling these for years. http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/s m/desktops/blade/bc1000_overview.html

So if if Lenova was the first, then I guess HP just stole the idea pre-emptively? http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/thinclients/ind ex_t5000.html

But HP/Compaq has had this a long time ago

take a look at the full tech specs:
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/1190 3_na/11903_na.HTML

Where do these people get off saying they were first?

We should all be exclusively using laserjets anyway, why is anyone happy the inkjet technology has a new lease on life?

Show me the laser equivalent of the this and I will think about it.

I wonder how this squares with their green PR. See...
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/globalcitizenship/environ ment/

You dork. I said high end x86 boxen have lights out, and yes, I'm aware the HP makes some of said high end x86.

As for 8 ways and such, give me a break. Go to HP's website (http://www.hp.com/ select an 8 way system, and increase its RAM and drive configurations to the standard in the US-IV system. What's it come to? Here's a hint, it's pretty close to $150,000 depending on exactly what you consider to be precisely equivalent to the Sun boxen.

Also, the US-IV systems are all dual core, so we're talking 16 cores. If you could buy a 16 core athlon machine with the sort of ram and Disks that the suns have, it wouldn't cost 39k, if you can get it at all, that is.

I never said the price for performance was equivalent, but spec out a few machines and see how close it is. It's the same in the 4-8 core realm (with the V40z), and it's about the same in the 16+ core realm due the difficulty in getting good 8+ core x86 systems. 48 cores of US-IV will be expensive, but there aren't a lot of x86 boxes out there that can touch it's whole-system performance. And yes, I too know what I'm talking about.

fucking moron, that $17k is for dell's 4-way box.

you can't get an itanium 2 system for $2k but you can get one for $3k:

HP rx1620

HP part # (HP rx1620 1.3GHz 3MB Bundle Solution Server) is $3,250. That's a nice 2-way (upgradeable to 4-core) capable 1RU box, probably the cheapest reliable system you can get for running HP-UX or VMS.

If you really need a 64-bit server odds are you're going to spend so much on RAM that the price of the CPUs is going to be roughly equal (or maybe even less)

anyway, you can go eat shit now :)

You dork. I said high end x86 boxen have lights out, and yes, I'm aware the HP makes some of said high end x86.

As for 8 ways and such, give me a break. Go to HP's website (http://www.hp.com/ select an 8 way system, and increase its RAM and drive configurations to the standard in the US-IV system. What's it come to? Here's a hint, it's pretty close to $150,000 depending on exactly what you consider to be precisely equivalent to the Sun boxen.

Also, the US-IV systems are all dual core, so we're talking 16 cores. If you could buy a 16 core athlon machine with the sort of ram and Disks that the suns have, it wouldn't cost 39k, if you can get it at all, that is.

I never said the price for performance was equivalent, but spec out a few machines and see how close it is. It's the same in the 4-8 core realm (with the V40z), and it's about the same in the 16+ core realm due the difficulty in getting good 8+ core x86 systems. 48 cores of US-IV will be expensive, but there aren't a lot of x86 boxes out there that can touch it's whole-system performance. And yes, I too know what I'm talking about.

HP's offering them for under $3,300 here. This is their Small/Medium business direct site too. Its very likely that if you dealt with someone directly and purchased an order it would be even less. So while $2000 isn't neccesarily correct, its far closer to the real price than 12k is.

I'd say the Itanium is getting a bit of respect in the highly available/high performance arena, with the HP/Tandem NonStop Platform moving to Itanium

* Scanners: I would go with something basic. I'm a debater for a high school squad, and last year when we decided to digitize literally thousands of pages of evidence, we used one of these HP 5550 It's great, cheap (Only $300)and USB 2.0, the only thing I would say is an absolute requirement. * Image formats: I would use tif. They can be huge and higer resolutions, but scanning at 1bit (Black and White) seems to keep things under control. You also could try adobe's pdf, but then you are locked in with adobe. * OCR software: If your copies are clean, I would say go for OCR, but don't let it replace the images of the page. That's because OCR can now keep 99.9%ish of the text, but it loses all the formatting. So scan in the text for searching, but keep the images around for viewing. * Document Indexing: I would just index them by date, which I wwould make the filenames. * File organization software: Paperport is absolutely great for this task -- you can "stack" images together, put them into colored folders, conversion between formats is just drag and drop, I would highly reccommend using it, it's on verion 9 or 10 by now.

here - a gc for C++, but I am talking about implementing this in native libraries.

C++ is a thing of beauty? There is nothing beautiful about it, like there is nothing beautiful about any computer language in itself. There are only beautiful implementations of ideas - compilers and other software.

"when coded properly" - sure.

A garbage collector...like this one?

http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Hans_Boehm/gc/

(my responses are as I think of them -- so things may jump subjects *really* quickly, sorry)

What I'd like to see is the PDA's like in Quake3. They would pretty much be a laptop (or at least as powerful). My problem with using a laptop is that it's not as effecient to get things done. I say that, what I mean is it's not as effecient for *me*.

Being I'm a broke mutha-chuka, I can't afford a mosterous thing. I'm currently looking at: HP iPAQ h6315 Pocket PC - Phone Edition. I think it has what I want.

Perhaps is laptops had a dedicated section of flash memory, to store programs so they launch faster -- then I might be intersted. I know some laptops have this feature though.. mine doesn't. :(

What I would *love* to see is some kind of PDA with a full docking station that would equate to a computer (DVD, CD Burner, Video, Audio, etc) -- so would just throw it in the craddle and *poof* there is your computer. --or-- you would take it out and *poof* here is your PDA. The problem? I think to get that kind of power would make the PDA's a nuclear reactor (or as hot, anyways). Ok, so I exaggerated a bit. I would love to work for a company helping design PDA'

I *really* enjoyed the article and it helped me decide what PDA I wanted (becuase I didn't have a real clue).

Stupid question though: What kind of games are they talking about? Pong? Doom? Doom3? Quake?

You see, I've decided to go back to college. I want something that will help me. I also want something I can develop on (For example, write a program that will help average my grades and classes I've taken). I want one to wake up and tell me: Hey, look you idiot! Take your meds! *BUZZZZZZZZZ*. It's a plus if it doubles as a cell phone (the less I carry, the better). I want it to sync with my laptop as well, and I want my laptop to be able to hold the same information -- so that my information can't get out dated easily.

A laptop is too phsycially big for me to carry around. I say that, what I mean is I don't want to carry a backpack or a breif case *everywhere* i go. Plus I need that space for books and stuff.

Then again, I've only owned 15" notebooks and bigger.. so perhaps I may not be able to realize how small laptops really are. Hmm, I guess I'll have to stop by Best Buy to see.

lights out management (you can discover problems in the hardware even after it has crashed, because it contains a little computer on a chip designed just to report the statte of the hardware, power cycle it, etc....)

Your average 8 proc US-IV system (16 cores) from Sun costs about the same as an 8 proc (8 cores) Opteron system from HP, for similar configurations.

This is just total crap. To get a 8-way US-IV, you need at least a V890. Which comes in at $155k!

Sun's pricing

Now, you say 8-way Opteron. No tier 1 makes them, but I presume you mean 4 seeing as you can get dual core Opterons only. Do they cost $155k? Ummm, no. They cost $39k from Sun and half configured (2 processor box) from HP cost $17k. Somehow, I can't see HP being that much different than Sun.

v40z pricing

HP DL585 pricing

And when it comes down it, an Opteron is way faster than a USIV anyway so you don't even need that many processors. And yes, I do use these processors everyday so I do know what I'm talking about. Which apparently you don't.

If you really don't want to run Linux, you can of course run Solaris 10 on the v40z.

The last VAXes were built in the late 90s.

AlphaServers are still around, in sizes from desktops like the DS15 to monsters like the GS1280.

http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/index.html
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/workstations .html
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/sc_gs.html

The last VAXes were built in the late 90s.

AlphaServers are still around, in sizes from desktops like the DS15 to monsters like the GS1280.

http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/index.html
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/workstations .html
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/sc_gs.html

The last VAXes were built in the late 90s.

AlphaServers are still around, in sizes from desktops like the DS15 to monsters like the GS1280.

http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/index.html
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/workstations .html
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/sc_gs.html

"How true. What other architecture has a single instruction for factorising polynomials."

I wasn't entirely sure you were joking.. so I did a quicky search on the web for this instruction. I didn't find one that factored polynomials, but there _is_ one which evaluates polynomials - quite silly.

see http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/72final/4515/4515pro _024.html#4515ch9_134

Curiously, there is also an instruction to compute CRCs, in addition to instructions for working on queue data structures (apparently internally implemented as a circular doubly linked list).

CISC, indeed.

you better hope it works ..
how do you replace it when it dies? :P

--snip digital.com --
What VAX information is available is accessable via the AlphaServer
website, which is itself accessable via:

http://www.hp.com/go/server

All VAX systems are going -- or have already gone -- "End Of Life".

-- snip --

Really now, how difficult can it be to fool one of these. It seems all it would take is:

1. Remove the IR filter from a 3 megapixel or higher digital camera.

2. Photograph the hand with and without a low pass IR filter.

3. Print a mirror image of the first photo on an acetate sheet.

4. Take the same print and print the other side with IR visible inkjet ink from the second photo.

5. Fool scanner.

6. Profit?

laptop from HP:
here.

If it is true, it doesn't seem to have worked very well.

Starting at HP labs, Ratnesh Sharma began work on the problem of cooling server farms two years ago.
Then work with the university of Virginia evolved from that research. Finally, in work done with Duke U. it paid off in the form of software tools that were reported at Usenix'05 [you can ignore password pop-up if you go thru the google cache] as saving 25% of cooling costs, thats can be over $1000000/year for large data centers by dynamically distributing work load to machines that are running cooler by using temperature data as input to the load balancer. [if you can get at the usenix art., Duke has basically the same paper on line. Or just read the the Usenix abstract]

Nevermind that HP did this in 1993

The Omnibook 300 also had built-in ROM to hold the operating system and so forth. It was a damn fine computer for its time. Hell, I still use one on occasion...it's lighter and more usable than most modern superthins. The 386 processor is kind of showing its age, though...

On the other hand recall the 1993 omnibook 300 (http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/9/ptp90024.ht m; http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnfacts/museum /personalsystems/0037/) which, if I recall correctly, came with either a hard drive or flash for mass storage, and windows, word, excel, etc on a rom pc card.

Actually, HP also has a fully supported Linux SOE for internal use. They call it LinuxCOE (common Operating environment)
Like others have mentioned, they do a lot of Linux development, but it's mainly to support their own platforms.
Have a look at their Linux website

(Disclaimer, I work for HP)

HP may have had something to do with Steve Jobs change of heart.

HP Media Center m7170n Photosmart PC

The newest Media Center PCs use the Dual Core Intel CPUs:

Intel® Pentium® D processor 830 with two processing cores (3.0GHz)
Windows XP Media Center
1GB PC2-4200 DDR2 SDRAM
250GB 7200 rpm hard drive
LightScribe double-layer DVD±R/RW drive with CD writer capabilities; DVD-ROM
ATI® RADEON X300 SE PCI-E graphics, 128MB DDR video memory, TV out
Intel High Definition Audio
9-in-1 digital media card reader
Personal video recorder
Remote
Media drive bay
Camera dock holder

The PowerMac platform is about a year out of date, compaired to the HP Media Center PCs.

Apple is still the leader in Video editing & HD-DVD creation, but HP is very close and still improving.

The really nice thing about the HP Media Center PC is the price, about $700 cheaper than the slowest Apple machine.

To paraphrase the saying used before: What took Apple so long to change?

I only hope that Apple will Grab the next AMD 64x2 cpu for some of their systems. A dual CPU - dual core - 64 bit machine would be a nice product.

HP is a technology solutions provider to consumers, businesses and institutions globally. HP has over 200 products that ship with open source software. From client to server to data center, HP is contributing to hundreds of open source projects every day. For more information about HP's open source involvement, check out http://opensource.hp.com/

HP provides R&D resources and has loaned Alpha and IA64 hardware to the Gentoo Linux project.

But HP replaced Carly with Mark GNU/Hurd! Surely that's gotta count for something?

HP donates in some way to about 55 projects, but only a few of them are linux specific. IBM on the other hand contributes to at least 162 projects, 44 of them specific to Linux. So IBM's Linux specific contributions alone number nearly as much as ALL those of HP put together. When you count in the projects that IBM works on that are not Linux specific, they stand head and shoulders ahead of HP in the most important measure: code.

IBM and SGI get quite some publicity through JFS and XFS. I'm unaware if HP does similar.

HP does offer nice Debian Support; and that's what I know them best for.

Does anyone have a list of how each company contributes?

Not necessarily apropos of what you posted, but ... that model is much more tried-and-true than /. would like to admit; people should stop shitting on it. If you replace #3 with "success," since money really isn't the right benchmark to use, the 20th century is teeming with examples of places that employed that idea and prospered. Xerox PARC had a notoriously freewheeling, unstructured environment and originated many of the brilliant ideas about personal computing you are using right now to read this post. Skunk Works was the same way, and so was/is the Institute for Advanced Study. HP, in a less academic context, was run in a very similar fashion. The list of achievements from those institutions alone reads like a "what's what" of 20th century achievement.

And yet, you again prove you need to learn how to read:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloa dIndex?dlc=en&lc=en&os=219&product=61872&dest_page =product&cc=us&softwareitem=ps-18120-1

And quoth the webpage "HP Photosmart driver for all photosmart printers (except p100) for Macintosh OS 9.1 and 9.2 (rev 5.4) and OS X v 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 (rev 2.3.7)."

So it seems that all your bitching about you being "At their mercy" they still are supporting an operating system that Apple is no longer supporting.

On top of that you continue to bitch using a single example that again is wholly false because you can't even bother to read the webpage and instead go right ahead and whine on slashdot.

Honestly, if that's how you deal with it you don't deserve support for your hardware.

if the system is so obscure that hardly anyone can use it, it will be trivial to compromise to anyone who knows what he is doing.

Photo printers.

HP:
http://h10030.www1.hp.com/you/uk/en/printers.html? jumpid=ex_hphqglobal_wwcorp2H05sem/printing
(Now, isn't that a *stupid* URL?)

Canon:
http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Pri nters/Direct_Photo/index.asp

Epson:
http://www.epson.co.uk/products/product_hub/Produc t_Listing_Inkjets_Photo.htm

etc etc.

Maybe when you change the name of the software to indicate that's the case?

Or maybe the old boat anchor Patchworks, err I mean, Pathworks on VMS:

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks/

Back in the day, patches for Pathworks came out as quickly as you could install them. I took great pleasure in pronouncing the software's name as "Patchworks", especially when talking to people who worked for Digital.

I work in this business but the trick is really really really, i can't stress this enough, don't buy a cheap printer. I'm suprised how many geeks completely ignore this part of their system, they'd sooner put neon lights in the case than get a decent printing aperatus.

if you're looking to print anything, get a laser, they're built better, and cost less per page. if you must have ink jet, consider a draft printer or commercial quality high volume inkjet, i know HP sells an inkjet with a 60+ Ml black cartridge, that's a lot more than the 19 ml ones they give you in the cheapo consumer units. did a little research and here's a list of printers starting at 150 bucks that use 70 ML black cartridges.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02a/1897 2-236251-236261.html?jumpid=re_R295_prodexp/buspro ducts/printing/color-inkjet-printers

also worth noting, don't refill the cartridges for canon or epson printers unless you want to be replacing the printer shortly, it's like putting a bit of suger in the gas tank at every fill up.(hp's the print heads are disposable so it doesn't matter as much, and lexmarks aren't even worth mentioning)

Wow you are incredibly full of shit.

Honestly? Did you not even think of looking at HP's Website before posting your shit stain of a post?

It took me a whole 46 seconds (yes, I timed it) to find OS X Drivers for a HP Photosmart 1000 printer.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareList?dl c=en&lc=en&product=61872&lang=en&cc=us&os=219

Not to mention that Drivers for a HP-Photosmart 1000 COME WITH MAC OS X 10.4 and if you were running an older version you could simply use the drivers supplied by HP or install Gimp-Print.

Obviously you're head is jammed so far up your ass that you can't even bother to do the simplest reasearch on the internet.

As for old scanners and printers I have a Epson Stylus Color 777 printer and Perfection 1200U Scanner that work absolutely fine with OS X.

Honestly. You should try thinking a couple seconds before you post again insulting a person.

Allow me to refute your alternative possible explanation with *facts*. :)

[snip netcraft]


Ha ha. Very funny. You know, it has been nearly a decade since you needed a really good OS to serve websites, right?

No, if you want to be a Linux contender, you have to do this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, etc.

I don't see the word FreeBSD anywhere, do you? Did you think maybe SGI is "obscuring" FreeBSD because it runs on their 512 CPU SSI Servers so much better than Linux? Or the alternative explanation is that FreeBSD (even the current 6 branch) barely scales to 4 CPUs.

Oh, and don't get me started on clueless idiots.

The HP press release is meant to announce the publication of their paper in the journal Nanotechnology. For those without access to the journal, this paper was originally released as an HP tech report in 2004.

Nothing sinister here.

Actually most of this work has been going on throughout Carly's reign. She took over in '99, HP's first patent on the stuff was issued in 2000.

HP Nanotech web page

And the design itself has already been covered here a few times...

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/0 1/1823256&tid=173&tid=14

The research had probably been going on long before Carly arrived. The biggest connection you could draw between the two is, she didn't axe it during her reign...

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product _detail.do?storeName=storefronts&landing=storefron ts&category=handhelds&subcat1=ipaq_phone&catLevel= 2&product_code=901365