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Ah yes, our favorite "Saudi businessman", maybe he did it with the money he was paid for services rendered for queen and country in Afghanistan. How much much you figure the whole thing cost? Just like with your ISIS guys, you gotta include payments (in American dollars, not shekels or Euros) to the various families and other obligations, not just directly to the soldiers. We all admit that it's boxing in the Russians very nicely, with a bow. And with their petro dollar worth shit, they could hardly be weaker. It's just that the nature of your business really is no mystery. But then again, Trump's success proves that facade is holding up just fine. So, you know, tally ho and all that

worked pretty well for Bin Laden until he finally got sloppy after 11 years of successfully staying off the radar.

We really don't know what happened to everybody's favorite Saudi businessman.

This isn't new.

Side effects of SSRI based anti-depressants - in addition to subduing the creative thought process and destroying the sex drive - include what has been termed emotional blunting.

In effect, blunting erodes one's ability to feel emotional response or empathy - such as being able to feel the 'warm fuzzies' in a relationship. This is a very dangerous road that can lead to sociopathy.

The stated side effects of SSRI based anti-depressants also include violent and/or suicidal behavior.

It is also interesting to note that the majority of mass shooters in the last 25 years have been under the influence of - or withdrawing from - SSRI based anti-depressents. John DeCamp, lawyer for the Columbine shooters, and author of The Franklin Cover-up, attempted to use the side effects of SSRI's as a defense. Details here.

Simply put, these drugs are terrible and should never have been allowed to be marketed.

Instead of reaching for pills, people with depression should instead get some regular exercise, a good diet and a positive attitude.

Pills are not the answer. Especially these pills.

Whoever runs the main website hasn't been updating in a while, yeah, but most of the activity is in the network of local sites. The "global" site's idea was mostly just to repost/link to local sites anyway. Spot-checking a few, they look active, e.g. argentina, germany, athens.

Whoever runs the main website hasn't been updating in a while, yeah, but most of the activity is in the network of local sites. The "global" site's idea was mostly just to repost/link to local sites anyway. Spot-checking a few, they look active, e.g. argentina, germany, athens.

Whoever runs the main website hasn't been updating in a while, yeah, but most of the activity is in the network of local sites. The "global" site's idea was mostly just to repost/link to local sites anyway. Spot-checking a few, they look active, e.g. argentina, germany, athens.

RE: http://lissakr11humane.com/201... The United States of America is on a global murder spree headed by fbi/cia/dod/nsa icluding threatening and overthrowing governments and assassinations all in favor of USA's plan for world inhumane domination. http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/part... fbi's Cointelpro operative seeks to discredit this combat war vet (& fbi whistleblower) by claiming that vet's service makes him a murderer and possibly a mass murderer. http://sosbeevfbi.ning.com/pro... ELF: http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/high... Synthetic Kidney Stone: http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/part... http://online.liebertpub.com/d... Dilemma http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/dile... Cointelpro: http://neworleans.indymedia.or... http://www.indymedia.org.nz/ar... Ad: http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/Reso... http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/holl... http://neworleans.indymedia.or... http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/fbic...

RE: http://lissakr11humane.com/201... The United States of America is on a global murder spree headed by fbi/cia/dod/nsa icluding threatening and overthrowing governments and assassinations all in favor of USA's plan for world inhumane domination. http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/part... fbi's Cointelpro operative seeks to discredit this combat war vet (& fbi whistleblower) by claiming that vet's service makes him a murderer and possibly a mass murderer. http://sosbeevfbi.ning.com/pro... ELF: http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/high... Synthetic Kidney Stone: http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/part... http://online.liebertpub.com/d... Dilemma http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/dile... Cointelpro: http://neworleans.indymedia.or... http://www.indymedia.org.nz/ar... Ad: http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/Reso... http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/holl... http://neworleans.indymedia.or... http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/fbic...

The fact that Israel has nuclear weapons isn't a threat to the US or US allies. Hence, it doesn't concern us much.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe there's more of a threat from Israel than one might realize:

"One alleged radiation hot spot on Manhattan's east side has the potential for becoming a political hot spot: A strong radiation spike from the area of the Israeli Embassy. Officials would not comment on why they thought that particular area allegedly showed such a stunning peak in radiation."

This was brought to my attention by a childhood friend that works for an agency in NY. No tin foil hats needed as I'm not trying to speculate as to what causes the spike, just that it exists, and it's much, much higher in intensity than the background radiation (from granite, etc.). I'm not particularly anti-anyone, but I would not trust the Israeli government any more than I would trust my own.

I'll just leave this here: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2002/10/24695.shtml

I recently obtained info about SAIC participating in building a new tracking pilot system called IntelliDrive. Basically they are there to profit (cost plus) from approving the system. It's a huge industry to install military industrial tracking systems at every level of society. Story here:
http://tc.indymedia.org/2011/may/tcimc-exclusive-contracts-intellidrive-mndot-military-industrialu-m-plan-gps-track-all-cars

"Government spies are everywhere
  in your home and in your hair
  lurking in their secret lair
  counting dollars" -Gilbert Shelton

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/12/330415.shtml

I haven't been able to find any other sources for this:
Italian TV channel Sky Tg24 reported yesterday that there was an un(?)intentional leak of information at Japanese TV station NHK. A NHK news reader allegedly reported that the Fukushima plant (unclear which one) had been deserted by workers and technicians. She was interrupted by the anchor who said "This wasn't supposed to be read on the air."

Japan earthquake and nuclear power plant: censored information (Italian, with video)
German translation

Has anyone heard about this from another source? I couldn't find the NHK footage either. The Tg24 article linked from the blog post doesn't mention it. The blog post mentions other sources but for whatever reason doesn't name them. Canard or censorship?

Well I respect anyone's aspiration to a better society, to organize and rebel. We do have too passive citizens. Learning to organize is critical. Whatever the actual ideas motivtating it, organizing involves the same basic skills.
I would suggest 4chan, or anyone, study better methods, better organizing. You can join Indymedia/IMC, full of great people, read up on the US vietnam antiwar organizers, the US african american equal rights organizers. If into Wikileaks, join and help Wikileaks. If you want to learn real, hard core organizing and social ideas and skills, join a real social-revolution organizing group, like anarchists, socialists, or humanists. Go help Critical Mass. If you just want to have some fun, but organize, do a Flash Mob. Always look for the organizers, and offer real hard core help, do the real hard work, and you'll learn. Don't just hang around, you will learn nothing.
http://critical-mass.info/
http://www.wikileaksforum.net/
http://www.indymedia.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_U.S._involvement_in_the_Vietnam_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob
4chan has to learn more. Their old tactics were for Scientology, a rather weak, fang-less, unpopular group of weirdoes. Not for dealing with corporate and government groups, which have support of networks within government, lawyers, detectives, spies, police, FBI, etc.

I'd vote for Indymedia, 2600, Wikileaks, Pirate Bay, Pirate Parties International, the EFF, FSF, and cDc communications to regulate the Internet. And Open Meshshould be the direction of growth. Ok then, we aren't going to get to coordinate "The Internet", we'll settle for The ParallelNet. There's enough geeks for it.

How in the world does this solve the problem of media corporations having the ability - unlike every other corporation under your regime - to run politically slanted content under the guise of news right up until the end of the election?

It does solve that, what opening the airwaves does is it allows more voices to be broadcast. Just as the web allows relatively cheap and easy websites, open airwaves will allow relatively cheap and easy radio stations. An example I used years ago was a station dedicated to model railroads where I start broadcasting a call-in show. Maybe I do it as a hobby an hour or two a week, or maybe I try to make it a career and business getting hobby shops to sponsor the show.

Of course doing that now, broadcasting pirate radio, is an invitation to have armed government employees bust down my door.

The Web and print are already this open, but most people get their news from big media corps' sites.

And how many are there? ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC, PBS, and others. Then there's Alternet, Indymedia, and wikipedia.

Why? Better production quality. (Not necessarily the content, just the presentation.)

What? Only large organizations can put together quality presentations?

Falcon

Actually, the track record of nuclear is excellent. In the West, a single accident nearly 40 years ago (TMI) with no victims. In fact, if all the other energy-producing methods were held to the standards of nuclear, you could never afford anything else...

Only one accident in the US in 40 years? HAHA!!! Here's a list of nuclear accidents in the US. Even France has had spills. Wiki has another list of nuclear and radiation accidents.

Ask the Navajo, Sioux, and all the others where uranium is mined if it's held to high standards.

Wind and solar will always only provide for peak demand, through massive overcapacity, because even occasional blackouts are unacceptable. You need a base supply, and if you cannot get hydro, the only clean alternative is nuclear.

Nuclear power is NOT clean. Geothermal however is relatively clean and can be used as a baseload energy source.

Falcon

I'll take in my Backyard, I'll take it over ANY Coal fired plant.

As long they build a containment vessel and don't let Russian yahoos run it I am fine with it.

Oh do you mean like any of these:

• Trojan Nuclear Power Plant
• Two French nuclear spills in one month
• Britain's nuclear power plants have suffered more than 1,750 leaks, breakdowns and safety faults in the seven years to 2008.
• Davis-Besse Nuclear Power Station
• The worst nuclear accident in U.S. history: July 16, 1979, Navajo Reservation

Falcon

Who pays for the interstates? Taxpayers who don't want and won't drive from state to state shouldn't be made to pay.

Users pay, that's who. Fuel taxes are supposed to pay for roads, though they don't. Even the neoconservative Weekly Standard published an article, The Net-Zero Gas Tax advocating raising fuel taxes. While I consider that a start I'd go further. When People renew their license plate tags, I'd have them pay a fee on how many miles they drove. I'd then require the fees to be high enough to pay for the roads. However like the article says, I'd cut income taxes. If by raising the fuel tax the average fuel bill goes up $10 a week I'd cut income tax by $10 a week.

What incentive is there to upgrade the network now?

That's part of the problem, there is no competition now. So if one provider won't upgrade it's infrastructure a customer can't switch to another provider. Of course with one entity owning the infrastructure but not selling services it can deliver there's still no competition. I see 3 possible partial solutions. One since everyone uses the same infrastructure they have more of a voice in demanding upgrades, if they don't vote them out of office. The second option is to move to someplace with better access. And the third is wireless. Open up the airwaves, which I have supported here and elsewhere, and let wireless broadband thrive. Heck that's something I'd love to have and would be willing to pay for both fiber to the curb and lower speed wireless broadband.

If you set it up correctly--as a government-run nonprofit with a separate funding pool--then the money has to get spent somewhere because otherwise it just sits there doing nothing, so there's no incentive not to upgrade the infrastructure. A great example of this in action is TVA. They provide some of the cheapest power in the country, their lines are generally well maintained, their infrastructure gets regular upgrades... everybody wins.

I followed you until you brought up TVA. Some lost when that TVA Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill happened. TVA also operates nuclear power plants and those like the Navajo have had to pay, for accidents, mining, and spills.

This makes changing ISPs as simple as changing long distance providers is now, which is why there *is* competition in that space (though much less now that cell phones offer free long distance; the point is that there was a lot of competition before something free came along).

Cellphones are more competition. As you say cellphone service plans include long distance. The only phone service I have is cellphone service, and I pay less than I did when I had a landline. Now notice above I said I'd be willing to pay for both fiber and wireless. I'd have my server connected to fiber and would use wireless broadband with my laptop. Of course it would have to be mobile, and not fixed, wireless. I love hiking and photography. With mobile broadband I could be out hiking then when my memory cards got full I could upload them to my server.

Falcon

Everyone should check this out. A group called Stop Huntington Animal Cruelty (SHAC) ran a website that supported putting the seriously nasty Huntington Life Sciences animal testing corporation out of business. They were quite successful but now the SHAC7 are getting crushed via the ridiculous Animal Enterprise Terrorism laws & etc. This seems a lot worse than the Texas situation because this is about anti-corporate political websites rather than simple social networking harassment. See http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/ . A really, really dangerous appeals court ruling came out that should scare the hell out of anyone that wants to effectively organize against corporate trolls via the Internet:

The conviction of the SHAC 7–animal rights activists hit with “terrorism” charges for publishing a website and vocally, unapologetically supporting direct action–has been upheld by a U.S. appellate court. It is a landmark free speech ruling that lowers the threshold of what types of conduct are protected by the First Amendment, and upholds a law that is so broad that it targets civil disobedience as “terrorism.”

As a brief introduction: The “SHAC 7” of Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty ran an effective campaign that had the sole purpose of putting Huntingdon Life Sciences, a notorious animal testing company, out of business. The campaign pressured corporations to sever ties with the lab. The SHAC 7 were never accused of breaking windows or releasing animals from labs, but they supported those who did. They published a website which posted news of both legal and illegal tactics, and supported all of it. The website had also posted names and addresses of individuals connected to the corporations targeted. ....Supporting and facilitating non-violent civil disobedience is not protected speech.

As part of their campaign, SHAC supporters were emailed about “electronic civil disobedience.” The email and message board posts included instructions on how electronically “sit in” on corporate web sites through emails, faxes and phone calls.

Now, one of the benchmarks in First Amendment law is what is called the Brandenburg standard. It holds that even the most controversial and inflammatory speech is protected as long as it not likely to incite “imminent and lawless action.” That is a very high threshold. In this court ruling—which, to the best of my knowledge and the attorneys I have spoken with is the first of its kind—the written word can be construed as promoting, or resulting in, imminent and lawless action.

To put it more plainly: Vocally supporting civil disobedience, explaining what it involves, and encouraging/facilitating people to take part is not protected speech.

This is so important let me say it again, another way: People who write about civil disobedience and encourage people to take part can be found convicted of a crime even if they do not take part in the civil disobedience.

Another thing happening is extreme Grand Jury fishing expeditions against green activists - we had a grand jury thing go down in Minneapolis just this week. See http://tc.indymedia.org/ for the latest on this.

This may be, but you still shouldn't be allowed in a jury if your mind is already made up on your verdict, or you are unwilling to listen to the facts of this individual case. A jury verdict shouldn't be about your single opinion on an issue.

Wrong, juries are a check on an overbearing government.

Here are a couple of quotes from some Founding Fathers of the USA:
Thomas Jefferson:
"I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution."
First Chief Justice John Jay:
"'You have a right to take upon yourselves to judge [both the facts and law]"

There are more quotes.

Falcon

Here's a crazy idea: how about nuclear power? Oh, that's right, the word "nuclear" is too super-scary for the science-based environmentalists. Never mind that they actually are better for the environment than anything else.

I would agree with you if, by "actually," you really mean "not actually." Many opponents of nuclear power, myself included, are not so much bothered by radioactive waste disposal issues. We are much more concerned about the high cost of system failures.

Everyone here is familiar with how difficult it is to keep defect rates in the 5 sigma region, let alone the 6 sigma region. Even with a spectacular 6 sigma failure rate, that means some failures _will_still_happen_. The longer a plant operates, the more likely a problem with occur. The more plants the operate, the greater the number of towns and cities that will be contaminated.

No control system is fool-proof, as students of the nuclear power industry know. What is most dangerous to safe reactor operation is the idea that a system, or one (or more) engineer(s), is fool-proof. Chernobyl and Three Mile Island should cure anyone of that attitude. The reality is, reactor contamination "events" are much more common that industry advocates would like you to believe (see below).

Remember, nuclear power in some places is a for-profit industry. Nuclear power industry CEO's have the same short-term incentives to minimize labor costs, keeping reactors online, and minimizing maintenance costs that AIG, Comcast, AOL, Best Buy, McDonalds, and every other for-profit company has. In other places, it's run by the incumbent utility company. With threats of budget reductions due to economic trends, political decisions (tax cuts anyone?), etc., event public and quasi-public utilities experience many of these pressures.

So, before portraying opponents of the nuclear power industry as milksops (or whatever you were insinuating), educate yourself a bit.

I prefer no to have a few hundred MBA's riding shotgun on doomsday machines. It's bad enough as it is already.

See also:

• http://news.google.com/news?q=nuclear%20reactor%20leak (way too many results show up)
• http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/national/17nuke.html
• http://www.miamiherald.com/982/story/1035992.html
• http://www.physorg.com/news162708897.html
• http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/18446
• https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/The_Monju_nuclear_reactor_leak
• http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/nucene/nucacc.html

You get the point. You don't want one of these in your backyard. Nobody does. So let's not build any more of 'em.

Some more resources:
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=15083
http://www.rsf.org/IMG/pdf/Bloggers_Handbook2.pdf
http://www.indymedia.org/

Does anyone know if the RSF anonymous blogging handbook is mirrored elsewhere?

Either you stand up to things you don't like, or you remain silent forever. Good luck with your decision.

If you choose to stand up to things you don't like, you still have the choice of tactics in how to make your stand. Part of that it figuring out how to either 1) continue to remain alive and free, or 2) make it expensive for the opposition to kill or imprison you.

If I were given some hot data -- say, a copy of the "torture photos" that have made Obama lose his testicles (or perhaps to display that he never really had any) -- I would keep in mind that in order to get the information out there, I don't have to arrange for permanent hosting. I just get it out to a bunch of different places long enough for the Streisand Effect to work its magic.

My suggestion:

• Take a nice drive to a different city. Pay cash for all gas and tolls. Do some touristy stuff while you're there -- if it comes up, don't deny you were there, but don't advertise it either.
• With cash, buy a cheap wi-fi card (or USB interface) and hard drive to make your laptop clean, so the MAC address and any browser data won't be traceable to you later. Buy these at different places. Install the drive and wi-fi in your laptop and do a fresh install of your OS.
• Find a place with free wi-fi. Use it. You want a small cafe or bar that's not going to have security cameras, not a franchise. Be bland and unrememberable.
• Post the data to wikileaks, certainly. But that's a single point of failure. So also:
• Post on indymedia.
• Set up a throw-away Gmail or Yahoo mail account. E-mail copies to journalists (including major bloggers).
• Set up pages on Google Sites and any other free website provider you can find. (Use mailinator.com for registration.) Put the data up there.
• Post links to those pages on any blog that's remotely relevant.
• Optional: with cash, buy a couple of SD cards. Make like Rodrigo Rosenberg and record a video of yourself explaining that if you disappear, it's because the spooks got you. Put a copy of the video and the data in question on the SD cards. Seal in envelopes marked "open only in the event of my death or disappearance." Mail to a few people you can trust (inside another envelope, so the attention-getting message isn't visible...). Works best if you have friends/family who are the sort who would engage in a bloody campaign of vengeance against your killers, but most of us would have to settle for something less dramatic.
• Wipe the hard drive. Install bogus data on it so it looks boring. Dispose of it and the wi-fi card at an electronics recycling drop-off point.
• Utterly and completely destroy whatever media originally held the data, and dispose of the remains at several different places.

"Certain privacy/full session SSL email hosting services have been purchased/changed operational control by NSA and affiliates within the past few months, through private intermediary entities,"

Amazing Stories Feb. 1964

Planet of the Apes 1968

Why is only one side asked for evidence and not the other?

Name of the organization is the "Global Climate Coalition": http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/12/383156.shtml

Don't hate the media, become the media. Indymedia.

Perhaps if the playing field were (more) level for other parties (for starters, stop arresting presidential candidates for trying to participate in a presidential debate), we'd have more viable options.

There has to be a way to challenge such barriers in the courts on constitutional grounds, as the people who benefit from stifling competition certainly can't be trusted with correcting this problem.

Yes I do.

Growth is the sole raison d' être for a corporation.

No it isn't. The sole purpose of a corporation is to serve the common good or pubic good. The first corporations granted corporate charters were the Honourable East India Company in 1600 and the Dutch East India Company in 1602. Both India Companies were shipping businesses, the Honourable company shipping goods between Britain and India and the Dutch operating between India and the Netherlands. Shipping was a risky business, a ship could be attacked by pirates, the crew could mutiny, or the ship could run into bad weather. And the ship's owner was liable for any and all cargo lost as well as for the lives of the crew. If for whatever reason a ship was lost that could bankrupt the owners. So the British and Dutch governments granted corporate charters to these companies which gave them limited liability. With limited liability the most an owner could lose is the amount they invested.

But because of this limited liability corporations were only granted charters if they served the public good. Once a business no longer served it it could have it's corporate charter revoked. Unfortunately as foreseen by Thomas Jefferson corporations became too powerful so they are no longer held to the standards of serving the public good.

Falcon

It's also against Florida state law to use cameras for ticketing for state traffic laws. Apparently local jurisdictions - like here in Fort Lauderdale which is why I was looking it up - have been installing them anyway (they are all digital networked cameras) with the expectation that the law might be overturned soon. Then they'd just have to modify the software to enable any new features. Also, some of them - Pembroke Pines - are using them anyway to ticket for local ordinances like "failure to stop before the white line at a red light" rather than the state law against running red lights so they can follow the letter of the law rather than the spirit.

The latest attempt thankfully failed.

Personally, I'm considering starting up a company to sell infrared lights to be mounted on your dash facing up at the angle of the cameras. ;)

Let's see, Exxon trying to block anti-pollution methods for one thing ... http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/10/326170.shtml

the oil companies have an incredibly nasty history - revolutions, wars etc. Look up their involvement with the Shah of Iran, for example. It's hard sometimes to see where Govt policy ends and the oil business begins. If they'll stoop to try and bend the regulations, I don't see why they shouldn't stoop to stirring a little mud over global warming.

Really, get out the basement sometimes. It's a whole different view.

If you can't tell the difference between what they had and what you and I have in various drawers and in the garage, you're a moron.

Here's the complete list of what was seized from one house. I've got a lot of those items. Maybe not so much propaganda, but in a house full of people planning a demonstration I'd say that's probably normal. I don't have any throwing knives, but I do have a couple of honking big scary knives, and the only "rife barrell"s I have (can't the department give these guys some remedial English lessons?) are attached to working firearms. No caltrops, but if the pictures I saw were the items in question, they wouldn't stop a horse, much less a bus. Caltrops are legal to possess, in any case.

rife barrell (sic)
2 foam padding
2 jars metal staples from basement
4 boxes lititure propaganda (sic)
filter mask
climing (sic) equipment
2 boxes "sector packs and propaganda"
$670 US currency
rent receipt
computer hard drive
4 bike locks
2 digital cameras
helmet
filter mask
throwing knives
cell phone
goggles
literature propaganda
hatchet
bolt cutter
machete
box propaganda
spray paint
3 cell phones
I-Book laptop computer
city maps
propaganda books
quote for print job from St. Paul Legal Ledger
Dell computer
thumb drive
2 boxes literature propaganda
2 walkie talkies
cell phone
mass storage device
checkbook
several 5 gal buckets
2 Kryptonite bike locks
hacksaw
2 curtain rods
multiple bicycle inner tubes
13 cans paint
6 vehicle tires
37 caltrops
bolt cutter
hardware bolts, nails, screws
silver cable
pry bar
propaganda banner
can charcoal lighter
denatured alcohol
mineral spirits
Community Emergency Response Team bag containing vest/helmet, batteries, pry bar, caution tape.

I found a source for this. That will come in handy if folks need to present this info to others.

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so thereâ(TM)s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bushâ(TM)s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osamaâ(TM)s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbo

Even better. Sell it on ebay and make some money off it. This is exactly what one suspect did (can't recall the /. link) IIRC.

Couldn't find a slashdot article on it, but it's elsewhere.

My latest favorite conspiracy theory revolves around the T.R.E.A.D. Act, which, as you can probably guess, deals with tires. The conspiracy part arises from embedding RFID tags in them to surreptitiously track people.

From this article:

"Tires have to have a unique identification number called a DOT number," he said. "Cars have a vehicle identification number. Under the TREAD Act, carmakers have to associate the unique number on each tire with the VIN of the car it's put on. RFID offers a cheaper way to do that association."

I still don't see how hybrids or electrics are cost efficient. All that r & d into redesigning something we already have. Those billions of dollars in research has to come from somewhere - and it's you and me, bub. Why not figure out how to retrofit instead of dispose? Heck, even if we use natural gas or propane as a fuel, and leave petroleum for the plastics industry. Ideally, hydrogen is THE fuel, imho. http://youtube.com/watch?v=HF__Qlhtnws&search=water%20power http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/340246.shtml

That doesn't explain the difference in opinion regarding GM foods among the populace, though.

No one in the US is clamoring for GM foods to be everywhere, but they aren't protesting in the streets about it either.

There are some real geniuses working on Wall Street, in VCs, Consulting, and yes, even marketing.

The same geniuses who thunk up "derivatives"? the sub-prime scam? The Bear Stearns bailout? The rising prices of commodities? The Ponzi Scheme and Musical Chair based economy which is about to collapse? I hope the IMF goes easy on Uncle Sam.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,562291,00.html
http://business.theage.com.au/imf-finally-knocks-on-uncle-sams-door-20080629-2yui.html
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2008/06/30755.php
http://www.financialsense.com/Market/kirby/2008/0630.html

This is where it gets spooky. FLIGHT DIRECTOR was used to pilot those planes. There was no other way for them to go where they did - with or without a crew. The perps took REMOTE control of at least 3 jets. WTC 1, 2 and flt 93 (which strayed bigtime and was shot down). They kept waiting for one to hit WTC 7, that never came - so the building was evacuated and brought down anyway. With it went the SEC files on the DOTCON scam, the CIA HQ for NYC and Rudy G's 'CONtrol and Command bunker'. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096 Remember the 911 (C)ommission report said the one in DC (does not fit the hole) and Shanksville just collaped in on themselves and disappeared. NO WAY, BATMAN! THIS LONG FULL VERSION STARTS BEFORE 10:00 NEWS HEADLINES. AND IS ANNOUNCED AND 09:55 AND IN THE 10:00 HEADLINES STILL STANDING 20 MINUTES LATER!!! http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/02/354768.shtml RR ### by dave87656 (1179347) on Friday June 13, @01:38AM (#23774747) Why wasn't this used on 9/11? ## by Rockin'Robert (997471) on Thursday June 12, @10:56PM (#23773771) All commercial jet aircraft have remote control over-ride. Nixon ordered it to be installed in the early 1970s. Boeing's version is called Flight Director for TOTAL remote take-over of the airplane(s). It seems the brass and spooks are worried about smaller craft ... http://www.vialls.com/wtc/radiocontrol.html [vialls.com] RR

The problem is that anybody with the wrong skin color is in danger of being a suspected terrorist. That's how it works in airports, at any rate. Heck, you don't even need to be brown to apply these days.

Question: Could somebody provide the names of actual people who have proof (not claims) that their rights have been violated by this policy?

Wiretapping is considered covert surveillance. The only surefire way to know if you've had your rights violated that I can think of would be if somebody were to break into a federal office, (or a corporate one, if the work is being contracted out), and thumb through some files. In other words, no. Of course not. But it's a moot point, because the president himself admitted that it was going on.

One would expect MSNBC to salivate at the prospects and showcase them on their lineup every night if this was the case.

One would expect this only if one also happened to be a naive television viewer. MSNBC is a corporate entity owned by an arms manufacturer which donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign and thus is obviously not salivating at the prospect of attacking the government. Surely you've been following the Mcclellan story and all its offshoot items of note; other people standing up to comment on media complicity. --But that's just the latest indicator of reality as it stands; if you want to learn more, spend some time reviewing such easily available sources as the various Bill Moyers interviews on the subject conducted over the years.

The greater point here, I think, is that some people are intent on maintaining blind faith in the government when it is far from justified.

-FL

From what I've seen, free markets allow greedy and selfish people to accumulate more money than cooperative people.

By encouraging greed and discouraging cooperation, a free market system ensures that everyone will have to act in a greedy and selfish fashion in order not to be taken advantage of by the greedy and selfish.

That's not a free market, what you're talking about is the Corporate Aristocracy Thomas Jefferson warned of. A free market is cooperative, ie it requires a voluntary exchange. I cooperate with you by giving you something, or performing some service, you want and in exchange you cooperate with me by giving me something.

Actually corporations are a reaction to liability. The first businesses granted a Corporate Charter were the Honourable East India Company in 1600 and the Dutch East India Company in 1602. Both companies were in shipping which was a risky business. Ships had to deal with storms such as hurricanes and pirates. When a ship sunk or was attacked the ship owner was financially liable. The owner of the lost goods had to be paid back. The crewmen or their survivors had to be paid as well. This could bankrupt the owners, who could even loose their homes. So the British and Dutch allowed companies to be granted a corporate charter, which gave the corporation's owners limited liability. The most a stockholder could loose is the amount they invested. However back then corporations were only granted charters if the corporation served the Common Good or Public Good. Once a corporation no longer did it's corporate charter could be revoked. Today governments no longer revoke charters though. As Thomas Jefferson warned, "I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and to bid defiance to the laws of their country."

For years I was rooting for the country as a rising Democracy and a counter-balance to the rising Communist dictatorship of China.

And then, boom-boom-boom came the disappointments of their refusal to join us in Iraq, to support Tibetans, to censure Iran, and now this...

Maybe, the USSR-created Communist infestation has something to do with it...

The USA was founded on the principal of 'freedom for the individual'. This shows with the USA's weak social welfare systems, and business culture of domination at all cost.

Freedom for the individual, not for business. Thomas Jefferson, the writer and one of the signers of the "Declaration of Independence" and the third President of the USA, even wrote a warning about corporations and the corporate aristocracy: "I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and to bid defiance to the laws of their country."

Us Greeks just call them pigs, idiots, stupid motherfuckers or flower-pots because they bang peoples heads against flower pots and beds

*still hurting from last week's protest*

I have a picture for you. Look familiar? Killed in captivity. He entered that death camp alive and in good health. There's another death camp down in Cuba. We're lobbing missles at civilians with impunity in Somalia and carting off "terror suspects" to more death camps in Ethiopia. You have citizens disappearing off the street, being held in secret and tortured, with no trial or charges for years. Tell me, when does it get to be Nazi enough for you??

I agree. Finland needs bad publicity because is on its way to become a fascist state. It's already to 80% there. http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/09sep/finlandpolstate2006.html http://india.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/7503.shtml http://inhiit.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html http://piraattiliitto.org/uutiset/2008/01/ruotsin-ifpi-perustelee-sik-l-ist-lex-karpelaa-suomen-hyvill-kokemuksilla And a more personal story from a friend:http://www.youtube.com/user/Seaniehunter http://seanhunter.00home.com/index.htm http://seanhunter.00home.com/cgi-bin/framed/2522/pages/obvious.htm

The Indymedia network has been around for a good while now (since the WTO protests in seattle) http://www.indymedia.org/ - I'd say if people are going to be doing citizen journalism, they should publish there rather than going and dumping more free content into the hands of the corporate media giants. Some of the regional Indymedia sites have particularly good content, although of course it depends from site to site.