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It is surprising that not one people in this forum seems to understand that many many people in USA are already under much worse datamining techniques than are debated in massmedia. Please read http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13 022.htm and understand that you are really in great danger to become first 100% Orwellian society in the world, not just "loose some civil rights we could take back later". You definitely have the technology and currently also the willingness on goverments side. One small bomb somewhere and you are there.

Basing a war on lies is wrong for the person who does it, but our soldiers, the people GP was talking about, did not base their actions in this ware on lies. They based them on fairly accurate opinions of the Iraq situation built up over the last 12 years.

You know I'm amazed some americans still believe this.

The Downing street memo
Doubts, dissent stripped from public version of Iraq assessment
CIA leak illustrates selective use of intelligence on Iraq
Bush talking on the political advantages of war in 99

We didn't attack Iraq, we attacked its government. There is a huge difference. The country as a whole still suffers consequences, but that doesn't diminish the distinction.

The people of Iraq may not agree. I sure as hell don't. Collateral damage is newspeak:
U.S. invasion responsible deaths of over 250,000 civilians in Iraq
THE REAL WMD'S IN IRAQ - OURS
Displaced Iraqis 'living like animals'
'unknown Americans' are provoking civil war in Iraq
The Missing Girls of Iraq

Basing a war on lies is wrong for the person who does it, but our soldiers, the people GP was talking about, did not base their actions in this ware on lies. They based them on fairly accurate opinions of the Iraq situation built up over the last 12 years.

You know I'm amazed some americans still believe this.

The Downing street memo
Doubts, dissent stripped from public version of Iraq assessment
CIA leak illustrates selective use of intelligence on Iraq
Bush talking on the political advantages of war in 99

We didn't attack Iraq, we attacked its government. There is a huge difference. The country as a whole still suffers consequences, but that doesn't diminish the distinction.

The people of Iraq may not agree. I sure as hell don't. Collateral damage is newspeak:
U.S. invasion responsible deaths of over 250,000 civilians in Iraq
THE REAL WMD'S IN IRAQ - OURS
Displaced Iraqis 'living like animals'
'unknown Americans' are provoking civil war in Iraq
The Missing Girls of Iraq

Yes, we agree on many points. And I'm glad we managed to keep this civil. The points we disagree on are rather big though:

I do not believe that the death of tens of thousands of civilians can be justified by claiming to be bringing democracy.

I do not believe that you can force democracy on a country. All you can achive that way is a pseudo colony with a pseudo democracy. The kind of situation leading to the current state of Africa.

I do not believe that Bush believed there were WMDs in Iraq, nor that Iraq was closely tied to Al Quaeda, nor that Iraq was any kind of threat to the US.
I do believe that the "intelligence failures" were 100% intentional.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-15936 07,00.html
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/sp ecial_packages/iraq/intelligence/11901380.htm
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/sp ecial_packages/iraq/intelligence/12995512.htm

I do not believe that Bush invaded Iraq for humanitarian reasons.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
This count is most likely closer to the truth:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11 674.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne ws/2006/05/12/wirq12.xml
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2162249, 00.html
http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1 186519,00.html
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArti cle.asp?articleID=8218

The list is endless but I'll stop here.

I believe that Bush does and will continue to do exactly whatever he feels will benefit him, with no concern what so ever for how many dies for his gain. Not that you actually need anything but his actions and his statements to prove this, but here are more links:
http://downingstreetmemo.com/archive/2004-10-31-Ho ustonChron-Herskowitz/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12 885.htm

I believe that Bush is now planning his next war of aggression.
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20 060511&hn=33036
http://www.rense.com/general71/tdarg.htm
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/05/ us-feverishly-works-to-frame-iran_13.html
http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839133.sh tml
http://english.people.com.cn/200605/13/eng20060513 _265252.html
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Condoleeza_Rice_ admits_she_responded_to_0509.html

Yes, we agree on many points. And I'm glad we managed to keep this civil. The points we disagree on are rather big though:

I do not believe that the death of tens of thousands of civilians can be justified by claiming to be bringing democracy.

I do not believe that you can force democracy on a country. All you can achive that way is a pseudo colony with a pseudo democracy. The kind of situation leading to the current state of Africa.

I do not believe that Bush believed there were WMDs in Iraq, nor that Iraq was closely tied to Al Quaeda, nor that Iraq was any kind of threat to the US.
I do believe that the "intelligence failures" were 100% intentional.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-15936 07,00.html
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/sp ecial_packages/iraq/intelligence/11901380.htm
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/sp ecial_packages/iraq/intelligence/12995512.htm

I do not believe that Bush invaded Iraq for humanitarian reasons.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
This count is most likely closer to the truth:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11 674.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne ws/2006/05/12/wirq12.xml
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2162249, 00.html
http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1 186519,00.html
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArti cle.asp?articleID=8218

The list is endless but I'll stop here.

I believe that Bush does and will continue to do exactly whatever he feels will benefit him, with no concern what so ever for how many dies for his gain. Not that you actually need anything but his actions and his statements to prove this, but here are more links:
http://downingstreetmemo.com/archive/2004-10-31-Ho ustonChron-Herskowitz/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12 885.htm

I believe that Bush is now planning his next war of aggression.
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20 060511&hn=33036
http://www.rense.com/general71/tdarg.htm
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/05/ us-feverishly-works-to-frame-iran_13.html
http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839133.sh tml
http://english.people.com.cn/200605/13/eng20060513 _265252.html
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Condoleeza_Rice_ admits_she_responded_to_0509.html

>>"By the same standards the USA is clearly a repressive regime."

>So apparently 'insightful' on /. means 'completely lacking perspective regarding history, politics, and social theory'. Good to know for future reference.

Here are some other references:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11 488.htm
Barbed wire for demonstrators
Notice especially the one about churches

History? The US has an exemplary past when it comes to human rights, even counting the crimes against Native Americans and blacks. History also shows that human rights standards can evaporate when a government scares its people enough.

True dat... oh and BTW: in case you thought the bush admin. gave a crap about children, good old John Yoo should put this to rest: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11 488.htm

"John Yoo publicly argued there is no law that could prevent the President from ordering the torture of a child of a suspect in custody - including by crushing that child's testicles."... So taking pictures of children's testicles... OH NO!!! Putting children's (ANYONES!!) testicles in pliers and applying force, Good to Go! *

* not to be taken to mean I think taking perverted pictures of kids is ok.

If you want to see reports of inhumane treatement of detainees just look up some stories about the treatment of prisoners in pretty much any French jail.

You stupid fscking americans are nearly all clinically fucking insane. The very fact that you can write the above crap about inhumane treatment in French prisons just goes to show that there is a species of cretin who knows how to post on slashdot, use a spellchecker, and believes every word that issues from that lying sack of shit FOX network.
You and your kind (and I know there are still a few of you left(hopefully you will just kill each other off and leave the rest of us alone)) should take a long hard look at yourselves and then SHUT THE FUCK UP because you are embarrassing the more intelligent members of your community who actually believe in their country and what it was meant to be and represent.

Now to the crux of the matter. This is a free online documentary about the US prison system. Click here to view it. Then after you have seen it and have educated your sorry, narrow minded, prozac influenced, therapist deluded, frontal lobe missing brain you can come back here click on reply and tell us all how wrong and sorry you are! Just like that moonbat dipshit president of yours should. Personally, I hope someone shoots the fucker before he gets the chance to come the christian forgiveness, devil made me do it crap that the US public seems to not be able to get enough of.

Did I mention "FUCK YOU".

Like most half-intelligent twits capable of lengthy discourse on any fact they just happen to have invented I guess your next move should be to attack my spelling or grammar. You will only look stupider but that's the sort of stuff that helps you sleep at night isn't it?

PS: I know my international prison system.

Guantanamo isn't one of the worst prisons in the world. It's one of the worst AMERICAN prisons in the world.

Not by a long shot.

Quite frankly, I don't see why McKinnon is going to the trouble of bringing up Guantanamo at all. The very fact that he might go to prision in the US is evidence that his human rights are in clear danger.

For those wondering what the Iranian Bourse is?

It is simply an oil exchange that accepts Euros for oil instead of US dollars.

Author makes some interesting points. Although last paragraph summarized it all nicely:

About the Author: Krassimir Petrov (Krassimir_Petrov@hotmail.com) has received his Ph. D. in economics from the Ohio State University and currently teaches Macroeconomics, International Finance, and Econometrics at the American University in Bulgaria. He is looking for a career in Dubai or the U. A. E.

Full article
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11 613.htm

The UK government asks Uzbekistan to ready their cauldrons...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6573660441 809242121&q=parenti The above video try's to explain why the current Bush administration would try to pupotrate these lies. This site below will give you content that's much harder to find in the main stream media. http://informationclearinghouse.info/

till, during the current conflict the US has been found to have been paying newspapers to print positive stories about the war to influence public opinion - but with more and more ppl getting news from the internet spreading it there makes sense too

In many cases, the material prepared by the military was given to advertising agencies for placement, and at least some of the material ran with an advertising label. But the American authorship and financing were not revealed.

I want some big, important pundit on the right to give an example of something the president does not, by their lights, have the authority to do. If he becomes a dictator in wartime (which it's mighty sketchy to say we're in), why not come out and say this? Can he rape and murder? No, seriously, if he can break one law, why not others?

Bush Advisor Says President Has Legal Power to Torture Children
By Philip Watts

01/08/06 "revcom.us" -- -- John Yoo publicly argued there is no law that could prevent the President from ordering the torture of a child of a suspect in custody - including by crushing that child's testicles.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11 488.htm

A little thought should give some idea of where the Neocon would draw the line. Clearly, a suspect, or those close to a suspect, could only be tortured in private. Public torture or the broadcast of torture would be both obscene and degrading. Rumsfeld has already weighed in on this issue when he said that publishing pictures of our prisoners would be considered degrading treatment under international law. I would also assume that it would be sacrilegious to cruxify suspects or burn inverted crosses and pentagrams on their bodies. This is a regime that cares deeply about public decency and religion so I am sure we can all think of similar examples of things they would be unlikely to do.

Of course, if some enthusiastic field operative tortures beyond decency and piety, how can our glorious leader be blamed?

Oh, I was paying attention. I've also been paying attention to the last two and a half decades of statements by Iranian leadership when they speak to domestic and pan-Islamic audiences. Judging a nation only by what they say at the negotiating table isn't very bright, after all.

But enough dodging the question: do you believe that Iran is not developing nuclear weapons? Do you?

It must also be mentioned that the planned invasion March 2006 was announced half a year ago, the western propaganda to justify this planned invasion is extremely easy to see through if you had been paying attention the last decade.

Oh, is it March now? Do you realize that you guys are beginning to sound like the folks who keep telling us that the Rapture will happen on such and such a date, and then hastily rescheduling when no one disappears? Just look at the `certain' dates of US war with Iran which have been declared so far:

• ``Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran's alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism. '' (source here)
• William R. Clark, author of the popular lefty flight of fantasy ``Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse'', had originally projected an invasion ``by December 2005'' (Mr. Clark, no stranger to wild predictions which have failed to come true, seems to have ceased naming specific dates, perhaps a sign that he is not as sure of his claims as he would have us believe)
• Michel Chossudovsky and others now assert that not only is war with Iran planned for `early march, 2006', but that it will begin with a US nuclear first strike against Iran.

Since you yourself seem convinced that the last of these three dates is correct (even if the first two were not), let's make an agreement: let's revisit this thread on April 1, and if the US has not invaded Iran, will you admit that you were wrong?

Will you?

Please before praising Gate's for all his so called good work actually look into the foundation in a little more detail.

You could start here
Bill Gates: Killing Africans For Profit & Mr. Bush's Bogus Aids Offer http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41 03.htm

Praise should only be given where it is really deserved

AC

The United States was not a threat to Iraq until it began brutally murdering its own citizens en masse with chemical weapons and attacking its neighbors.

Maybe I just haven't been paying attention or something but that whole gassing his own people bit happened 15 years before the US invasion. Took your sweet ass time to do something about it didn't you?

Maybe that wasn't the reason for the invasion after all, I mean even people from the CIA say he didn't do it on purpose, they were probably attacking the Iranian troops in the town at the time.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17 79.htm

But hey don't let actual history get in the way of your arguments, your government doesn't.

Bill Gates is not a philanthropist at all. In fact, he is making the problems of the world that he pretends to be helping to solve much, much, much worse.

If I went into a poor neighborhood and built five houses for five families, and then bulldozed the rest of the neighborhood and sent hundreds of other families out freezing and starving into the streets, well, give a good PR team like Gates has and I guess the newspapers would call me a philanthropist, too.

We use Startup Monitor and ZoneAlarm Security Suite software firewall. The newest ZA pops up a window the first time anything suspicious happens. It's a big problem convincing users to report the ZA popups, but if they do, Windows is much safer.

However, it's a losing battle. The problem is that Microsoft makes more money if its operating systems self-destruct. What you call "vulnerabilities" billionaires call "maximizing shareholder value".

If rich people sold good operating systems, poor people would not buy the next upgrade.

Using an operating system is like having a partner in your business. If it is a Microsoft OS, your "partners" want some things that are bad for you. If you use Linux or BSD, you can breathe a huge sigh of relief; your partners want what you want.

It's absurd that governments of countries use Microsoft products. It's even absurd that state governments in the U.S. use Microsoft products. The U.S. federal government spends more money on world-wide surveillance than any country in the history of the world. Exploiting computer systems is now one of the biggest new frontiers in surveillance.

The U.S. government's Echelon surveillance system watches everyone all the time. (Echelon quote: "Since the close of World War II, the US intelligence agencies have developed a consistent record of trampling the rights and liberties of the American people.")

The biggest discretionary expense of the U.S. government is the cost of war. The president and the vice-president of the U.S. are people who themselves and their families and friends made their money through oil and weapons. Is it any wonder that the price of oil is so high and we have war?

When a country uses Microsoft operating systems, it effectively has the U.S. government as one of its partners. Given the present climate of corruption and conflict of interest and adversarial behavior and using war as a justification for anything, why do countries want the U.S. government and U.S. billionaires as partners?

If volunteers can make a secure operating system ("Only one remote hole in the default install, in more than 8 years!") is it difficult to believe that the amazing number of vulnerabilities we've seen in Windows are deliberately allowed?

Not here, but a little "extraordinary rendition" later anyone accused of being a terrorist can be, and are, tortured to death with impunity. Like this.

If you read about it, the U.S. government is far, far more corrupt than the average person thinks. Huge amounts of money are borrowed and embezzled. Some people say the money is not stolen, but it somehow makes it to the pockets of the rich, making the rich richer.

The U.S. government is very violent: History surrounding the U.S. war with Iraq: Four short stories. The violent way is preferred because it is more profitable: Ike Was Right About War Machine. ("Ike" is former President of the U.S. and former Supreme Commander of Allied Forces General Dwight D. Eisenhower.)

Here is the same video, but with no transcript, and it requires watching a commercial: Andy Rooney on the Iraq War. Here is an MP3 file of the same broadcast: Andy Rooney on the Iraq War. Here is a transcript from the publisher: Ike Was Right About War Machine.

The U.S. government is for sale to whomever has money: Unprecedented Corruption: A guide to conflict of interest in the U.S. government.

From reading about the U.S. government, I've found that many agencies operate efficiently and sensibly, but that the corruption caused by the military-industrial connection is more than one person can completely understand, there is so much material.

Boy it sounds unbelievably bad - We are spending 10x what Japan spends and a shocking 24x what Russia spends! Well, I'm not saying it's not bad, but it certainly isn't THAT BAD. At least not when you think for a few seconds and realize the only way to sensibly approach this is to look at military expenditures as a % of GDP. (for source material check http://www.sipri.org/contents/milap/milex/mex_data base1.html and http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/.

From that perspective things make a lot more sense - in 2004 the US spent between 3.2 and 3.9% of GDP (based on whose expediture estimates you use), while the UK and France spent about 2.6%. Germany, Japan, and Italy spent between 1.1 -1.7% of GDP - and Russia was about the same. To gain some perspective, South Korea spent about 1.7% while their unfriendly and incredibly poor neighbors to the North were able to scrape together a shocking 13% of their resources for military expenditures. Saudi Arabia came in at 6% while Israel came in at 7%. Iran is estimated as 3.3% by the CIA but I couldn't find any source material to back up that claim.

So Andy, it appears that other Countries ARE spending "the kind of money" the US is spending on military expenditures - some are spending relatively even more.

For more perspective I tried to find out how much of the US GDP is spent on IT - but all I could find was an estimate of 2.8% which appears to be for 1996. http://www.strassmann.com/pubs/datamation0297/.

My experience with Dell is that they have VERY tricky prices. Never buy something from Dell until you check all the coupon sites. Dell plays the game of having several divisions that price the same items differently. Prices sometimes fluctuate at each division more than once in a month.

Basically, I have found Dell to be a very abusive company. The only reason I would buy from them is if they have something not available from somewhere else, such as the 2405FPW 24 inch LCD monitor made by Samsung and BenQ.

If you do business with Dell, get a written warranty.

Be careful about Dell employees. They sometimes act for themselves and against the interest of their company. Talking to Dell is like going into a rough neighborhood.

My experience is that Dell is undergoing the social breakdown that is happening in other parts of the United States. One big example of the general breakdown is discussed in this transcript and video: Ike Was Right About War Machine. ("Ike" is former U.S. President and former Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe General Dwight D. Eisenhower.)

See also Andy Rooney speaks out against the war in Iraq.

"... getting a PC with a blank hard drive costs more than the same hardware running Windows XP."

This is only what Slashdot readers have been saying for years: A Microsoft operating system has negative value.

Seriously, my experience with Dell is that they have VERY tricky prices. Never buy something from Dell until you check all the coupon sites. Dell plays the game of having several divisions that price the same items differently. Prices sometimes fluctuate more than once in a month.

Basically, I have found Dell to be a very abusive company. The only reason I would buy from them is if they have something not available from somewhere else, such as the 2405FPW 24 inch LCD monitor made by Samsung and BenQ.

If you do business with Dell, get a written warranty.

Be careful about Dell employees. They sometimes act for themselves and against the interest of their company. Talking to Dell is like going into a rough neighborhood.

My experience is that Dell is undergoing the social breakdown that is happening in other parts of the United States. One big example of the general breakdown is discussed in this transcript and video: Ike Was Right About War Machine. ("Ike" is former U.S. President and former Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe General Dwight D. Eisenhower.)

See also Andy Rooney speaks out against the war in Iraq.

"If communism is a system where the government owns business, what do you call a system where business owns govern"

You're referring to fascism , "the merger of state and corporate power" (according to Mussolini, its first biggest booster).

Iran is not as bad as the Bush administration claims. A key US ally boils people alive and the US rewards him with very generous aid. "Our Presidents New Best Friend Boils People Alive WARNING horrific images of torture! http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39 43.htm )

Iran on the other hand, amongst many things, gave us many humanist movies such as Kandahar about Afghanistan, on Time's best 100 movies of all time http://www.time.com/time/2005/100movies/0,23220,ka ndahar,00.html and Turtles Can Fly about Kurdish Iraq http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic le?AID=/20050414/REVIEWS/50324002/1023 Iran is *not* evil, nor is Chavez. Hands off!

Look at the ties the Bush family has to that dirty Nazi money also. Maybe the corporations are just following the lead set by the Presidential family.
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.h tm
http://www.rense.com/general26/dutch.htm
http://www.john-loftus.com/bush_nazi_scandal.asp
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32 55.htm


technoid_

The EU invests much more power in unelected bureaucrats (and much less in elected officials) than the US system. Thus it's far, far easier to corrupt because one only has to buy out a member once, not every four years, and blatantly corrupt individuals are far harder to replace.

However, the EU also has lots of little voices, any one of whom can speak up and block or delay legislation. When the little guys can speak up it's an excellent system (c.f. Poland on software patents), but often deals are done between the largest players (who tend also to be the most corrupt), and the little guys are railroaded into going along with it. Then it's even easier to corrupt than the US system.

The EU also (historically) has a much stronger anti-corporate slant than the US, although it'll be interesting to see how long this lasts now there's a single powerful entity in Europe for corporations to cozy up to.

In short, the structure of the EU is far more corruptable, but the people are starting from a more anti-corporate position. If the people stay strong the EU will be protected against the most rapacious attempts on their rights - however, if the people drop the ball the EU will be in the pocket of coroporations faster than the US.

Basically, in the great race to a facist totalitarian police state we've got better acceleration, but we're starting from further behind.

Incidentally, has anyone seen the The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism? Very, very, very scary. Apart (possibly) from point 5 ( "Rampant sexism"), it looks like a shopping list of the current US political system (and point 5 does go on to specify specifics like "adamantly anti-abortion", "homophobic" and "draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country", all of which sound pretty familiar to me...

The EU invests much more power in unelected bureaucrats (and much less in elected officials) than the US system. Thus it's far, far easier to corrupt because one only has to buy out a member once, not every four years, and blatantly corrupt individuals are far harder to replace.

However, the EU also has lots of little voices, any one of whom can speak up and block or delay legislation. When the little guys can speak up it's an excellent system (c.f. Poland on software patents), but often deals are done between the largest players (who tend also to be the most corrupt), and the little guys are railroaded into going along with it. Then it's even easier to corrupt than the US system.

The EU also (historically) has a much stronger anti-corporate slant than the US, although it'll be interesting to see how long this lasts now there's a single powerful entity in Europe for corporations to cozy up to.

In short, the structure of the EU is far more corruptable, but the people are starting from a more anti-corporate position. If the people stay strong the EU will be protected against the most rapacious attempts on their rights - however, if the people drop the ball the EU will be in the pocket of coroporations faster than the US.

Basically, in the great race to a facist totalitarian police state we've got better acceleration, but we're starting from further behind.

Incidentally, has anyone seen the The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism? Very, very, very scary. Apart (possibly) from point 5 ( "Rampant sexism"), it looks like a shopping list of the current US political system (and point 5 does go on to specify specifics like "adamantly anti-abortion", "homophobic" and "draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country", all of which sound pretty familiar to me...

You should read Eisenhower's entire 'Cross of Iron' speech. One paragraph is often excerpted (rather well), but the entire speech is even better. It is amazing that such opinions could come from a General and a Republican. You can see h/crossow low the Republican party has sunk in the last ~50 years.

As to the practicality of fission-powered aircraft, I'm not convinced it's as practical as you make out. Building a reactor that has a sufficient power-to-weight ratio to make the plane perform acceptably, and is sufficiently shielded that a crashed one wouldn't pose a radiation hazard, would seem to me to be a considerable challenge that hasn't changed all that much since the 1950's. Materials science has improved considerably, but not *that* much.

If you want to understand what this Washington Post article really is, you need to watch The Power of Nightmares by BBC (available on the P2P network of your choice).

Search for "Detroit" on this page:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1040 .htm to read about "Four Arab men... arrested on suspicion of being an Al Qaeda sleeper cell." That's just one particularly hilarious example, but there are many others. The story about Tora-Bora underground fortress was also amazing (look up the illustrations in the archives of your favourite media poison site).

...voted for the most corrupt President of all time.

Indeed this Bush is internationally recognized as corrupt

Americans wanted to be safe but their constitution is being torn up before their very eyes.

"The process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a New Pearl Harbor"

"...the plan is to engineer events, real and staged, that will create enormous fear in the countdown years to 2012. This includes a plan to start a third world war, either by stimulating the Muslim world into a 'Holy War' against the West, or by using the Chinese to cause global conflict. Maybe both."

If you think it is bad under monkey Bush wait until you fat mother fuckers put Arnold Schwarzenihateniggers in power.

But the German press was full of the reports from German intelligence, which was that there was nothing there.

That is not my recollection. I think people are confusing what was said by politicians and by spooks, and what was said before and after the issue of invasion was brought up. A quick google found something that sounds familiar:

"I mean, an alternative view is one presented by people like Christopher Heachins [spelled phonetically], the journalist who says: look, if you look at Germany, where the political leaders were against the war, German intelligence was still producing these alarming reports about Saddam Hussein being a moments work away from producing a nuke, for instance. You can't blame that on, you know, serving up the leaders what they want."
Former weapons inspector, Scott Ritter
ABC Sydney : Broadcast : 02/05/04

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article56 21.htm

But we went to war on the promise by the Bush administration that Iraq was actively in the process of building up an arsenal that could find its way into Al Qaeda hands. We now know for facts that there were no real connections between Al Queda ...

These two statements are not contradictory. The fact that Sadaam would not build nukes for Al Qaeda does not mean his nukes would not fall in their hands. The Soviets did not build nukes for them but we are certainly concerned Soviet nukes may be or fall into their hands.

So how many people have died for what?

No one will know for another 20 to 30 years whether the aggressive US policy against terrorists and their supporters, of which Sadaam was - just not the Al Qaeda faction, was a good idea or bad. It's hard to understand a war when you are in the middle of it. It often takes years and sometimes decades to sift through the evidence and see how things turned out, for good or ill. President Lincoln was merciless criticized during the American Civil War.

I think a lesson in world geography (you know, the 200 or so countries outside the US and that the US has not bombed) and political views (outside of the opinions of faux news) would be appropriate

I could have replied to any of the "you're wrong/a bigot/unaware/uneducated" replies that have been posted in reply to my comments, but I've chosen yours... No special reason other than yours was one of the least insulting replies (Gotta love those one-line "You're a XXX" replies that /. breeds)

While I can understand everyone's knee jerk reaction, I think that y'all are the ones in the dark about this kinda stuff. I've included some links for your reading pleasure. If you're really bored, you might try this sparkling new service called "Google", and type in something like "India anti-american". You'll find a lot more than the few that I've provided.

Not that these links are comprehensive of the entire situation, but they should provide you with enough reading material to show you that I'm not labeling all Indian people as anti-American, nor am I saying that everyone in the Middle east is out to get us. I'm simply pointing out that India, and a lot of the countries we outsource to, are not the USA-lovin' countries that you are assuming they are.

If you want to prove me wrong, drape yourself with an "I love America" T-shirt, and go walking down the streets of these countries, and send me some pictures. If you come out unscathed, then you have my apologies.

http://www.cnn.com/video/world/2001/10/22/mr.india .anti.us.cnn.med.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1411733/p osts
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30 10.htm
http://pd.cpim.org/2003/0330/03302003_protests_res t.htm
http://www.getcustoms.com/2004GTC/Articles/ga-2002 -02-13.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0519-06.ht m

The Cold War, at least 50 years long, was hardly a "vestige". It might be more accurately called the "culmination" of global warfare as the permanent state of society. And WWII was "about" fascism, if "about" anything, the "merger of state and corporate power".

Wars are "about" single ideas or events only in the hands of propagandists and the minds of their audiences. Winning them is about producing more material damaging to the enemy, while suppressing their ability to produce material damaging to oneself. If wars could be "about" something, they might "prove" something, other than destructive superiority.

some clues here.

Here is the real reason why we were attacked. It is because we were making military advancements on Muslim soil. Both "hating freedom" and "hating our society" were excuses that Bush came up with.

Actually newsweek told the truth when they ran that article. They never retracted the story, just appolgised for running the truth when they were threatened by the men in black. It's in reports that the government is hiding to avoid war crimes prosecutions for the hideous things they have done to the people in Guantanemo Bay.

Sort of like how Bush and his regeme keep saying that there they were lied to by the CIA about their evidence on the WMD. These lies are clearly shown in the Downing Street Memo. Or is the head of British Intelligence not credible enough for you? This Memo corraborates what a lot of other high ranking american officials have been saying for years.

Utter bullshit.

Russians and Chinese could easily use the same
logic and excuse to come liberate America from
their Military Industrial Media tyranny.

United Nations has some pretty good text on the
subject of invading other nations. But Americans
wouldn't know about International Law, would they?
Even if they helped write them, they arrogantly
insist on themselves being excluded from the same
laws they insist on to govern the behaviour of
others.

Your speech is nothing but fascist propaganda used
many times throughout history to justify atrocities around the world.

History repeats itself.

America's War for Global Domination

The Plan is for the United States to rule the world

The Project for the New American Century

Read, so you know better, you fascist pigs.

www.informationclearinghouse.info

Utter bullshit.

Russians and Chinese could easily use the same
logic and excuse to come liberate America from
their Military Industrial Media tyranny.

United Nations has some pretty good text on the
subject of invading other nations. But Americans
wouldn't know about International Law, would they?
Even if they helped write them, they arrogantly
insist on themselves being excluded from the same
laws they insist on to govern the behaviour of
others.

Your speech is nothing but fascist propaganda used
many times throughout history to justify atrocities around the world.

History repeats itself.

America's War for Global Domination

The Plan is for the United States to rule the world

The Project for the New American Century

Read, so you know better, you fascist pigs.

www.informationclearinghouse.info

Utter bullshit.

Russians and Chinese could easily use the same
logic and excuse to come liberate America from
their Military Industrial Media tyranny.

United Nations has some pretty good text on the
subject of invading other nations. But Americans
wouldn't know about International Law, would they?
Even if they helped write them, they arrogantly
insist on themselves being excluded from the same
laws they insist on to govern the behaviour of
others.

Your speech is nothing but fascist propaganda used
many times throughout history to justify atrocities around the world.

History repeats itself.

America's War for Global Domination

The Plan is for the United States to rule the world

The Project for the New American Century

Read, so you know better, you fascist pigs.

www.informationclearinghouse.info

Utter bullshit.

Russians and Chinese could easily use the same
logic and excuse to come liberate America from
their Military Industrial Media tyranny.

United Nations has some pretty good text on the
subject of invading other nations. But Americans
wouldn't know about International Law, would they?
Even if they helped write them, they arrogantly
insist on themselves being excluded from the same
laws they insist on to govern the behaviour of
others.

Your speech is nothing but fascist propaganda used
many times throughout history to justify atrocities around the world.

History repeats itself.

America's War for Global Domination

The Plan is for the United States to rule the world

The Project for the New American Century

Read, so you know better, you fascist pigs.

www.informationclearinghouse.info

You may be underestimating the horror of imprisoning the people there. Watch The Power of Nightmares by BBC. It looks weird, but it really seems that most of the terrorist threat was made up. It's very likely that 90-95% of all people in Guantanamo Bay are innocent. Do you know how flimsy the evidence was in those few cases of suspected terrorists caught on the US soil?

The whole thing is unjustified. If we ignore the US government propaganda for a second, the whole campaign was simply an act of unprovoked irrational aggression in violation of international laws. As Viggo Mortensen said about America commenting on parallels between war in Iraq and LOTR, "We are the evil guys".

Support ethnic cleansing in Palestine and help censor the American press!
If you are at an American University or further education college we are currently recruiting active censorship drones to spy on fellow students, lecturers and guest speakers on behalf of the Israeli government.

We can actively stifle democratic thought and criticism of Israeli fascist oppression.
-But only with your help!

Free housing.
In six short weeks we can show you how to build a rogue state by demolishing existing homes in Palestine and building new houses on top!

We are currently looking for experienced bulldozer drivers with a large western bank balance to emigrate to the expansionist state of Israel and call it home.

Simply choose a plot of land and start building! Its easy peesy!!

If your chosen plot is currently occupied by a Palestinian family, dont worry
-simply build over them!

Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!


We can protect your future residential developments on occupied land with fully experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.

If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes and a view of the Mediterranean, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated every year by American tax payers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your contribution and support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs a fortune to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.

Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.

Part-time vacancies available
We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers and sniper nests. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but yet have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower guard division.

We need your help. Sponsor an Israeli colonizer.
Do it today.

P.s.
if anybody criticises you, just point a finger an call them anti-Semite.
It worked for the Liberty.

And one million children dead due to sanctions, Child mortality due to starvation doubled now that Americans moved into Iraq.

If you're not repeating the "official" version of reality, you are a potential terrorist and will be dealt with accordingly.

If you don't like it then move somewhere else!

Sincerely,

The Two Party System Security Dispatch

Ps. If you don't shut up you will face the consequences:
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article8451.h tm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article81 91.htm

That took 2 seconds to find. Oh well... All things considered I wish more people were interested in helping eachother and making life more liveable, rather than I need a raise, I need x, y, z... etc... We need to re-evaluate our priorities...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article83 47.htm

The Power of Nightmares

BBC TV run through some ideas, also check the Open University Reith lectures on "Exploring Fear"