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Reading the title, I really thought Juno was experimenting with other protocols...

>>>are they charging an arm and a leg? I mean, I know they're Not for Profit, but that doesn't always meant they offer all services free. If they ARE offering it for free... I can't help but wonder what their angle is.
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I don't know why you're surprised. DIALUP internet only costs me $7/month. Netzero and Juno offer it for free (see links below). It's not that much of a burden for the Non-profit ISP to offer free access to egyptians.

And the datarate is only ~30 kbit/s via analog lines, so you could carry over 300 users in the space of one DSL or cable customer.

http://www.juno.com/start/landing.do?page=www/free/index
http://isp.netscape.com/

P.S.

Correction - Dialup is FREE from Netzero or Juno. It's so old and slow that it's virtually no burden at all for an ISP to offer free service:
http://www.juno.com/start/landing.do?page=www/free/index
http://isp.netscape.com/

Now that would be ironic -- a revolution that takes place at 56Kbps. Holy AOL, Batman.

Doesn't surprise me. Dialup is a poor choice for watching youtube, but perfectly fine for accessing the internet if you're only interested in sharing text and images with the outside world.

Oh, I don't think they all went away.
There is still juno, ése. I'll even bet they'll be here mañana, for reals.

It is also interesting to see the most popular web sites. Start by typing www. into google suggest. The top 10 are:

1. www.yahoo.com - Search/Directory
2. www.hotmail.com - Email
3. www.google.com - Search
4. www.ebay.com - Shopping
5. www.msn.com - Portal
6. www.aol.com - Portal
7. www.ebay.co.uk - Shopping
8. www.irs.gov - Government
9. www.mapquest.com - Maps
10. www.amazon.com - Shopping

Typing one more letter shows you the top sites for that letter. Here is the top for each letter:

• a is for www.aol.com - Portal
• b is for www.bbc.co.uk - News
• c is for www.cnn.com - News
• d is for www.dictionary.com - Reference
• e is for www.ebay.com - Shopping
• f is for www.food.gov.uk - Government
• g is for www.google.com - Search
• h is for www.hotmail.com - Email
• i is for www.irs.gov - Government
• j is for www.juno.com - Internet service provider
• k is for www.kbb.com - Consumer information
• l is for www.lyrics.com - Music
• m is for www.msn.com - Portal
• n is for www.nick.com - Kids
• o is for www.orbitz.com - Travel
• p is for www.pogo.com - Games
• q is for www.qvc.com - Shopping
• r is for www.rotten.com - Information
• s is for www.sears.com - Shopping (sorry slashdot)
• t is for www.target.com - Shopping
• u is for www.usps.com - Government
• v is for www.verizon.com - Telephone service
• w is for www.weather.com - Weather
• x is for www.xanga.com - Blogs
• y is for www.yahoo.com - Portal
• z is for www.zappos.com - Shopping

This is some random commentary to make sure that my post has enough characters per line on average to get by the lameness filter. Just a few more words should do it. Then I will be over the limit. Maybe you would like to hear a bit about my projects: Attesoro - A internationalization editor for Java programs. Coinmill - A currency conversion website with many currencies, and features such as abilty to parse English sentences asking for currency conversion. Java Utilities - Utilities for common task in the Java programming language such as parsing CSV files and string manipulation.

Hmmm. Not in the United States: http://www.aol.com/broadband/

"AOL Over [existing] Broadband." I think such a product is profoundly pointless. Heck, I get "unlimited" dial-up internet access with Juno for half the price of this "AOL Over [existing] Broadband." Why on earth would anyone pay for this?

Sorry, I just wanted to rant.

Those days, and the business model that supplied them, are long gone... or perhaps not

I have yet to get a virus through sp2 IE.

How did you get a copy of SP2? I know a lot of users who would have to buy the CD online, for under $10 shipped to most locations. "I have broadband" is not a good answer; residents of many parts of the United States would have to move house in order to get cable or DSL, and even where it is available, broadband is still much more expensive than Netzero or Netscape dial-up for people whose Internet use is limited primarily to web and e-mail.

According to this link, Juno still offers a free service. It's limited to 10 hours a month, but it is still free.

Juno has a "Central spam filter" like that. It works damn good, too. I've had the same (free) e-mail account for nearly five years now, and if I get 3 spam mails a day that's a lot. (INCLUDING Juno's own mass-mailings to it's users for their premium service)

Spam pops up in the "Junk mail" folder, which does not count towards your storage limit (messages are automatically deleted after a few days). This gives you a chance to glance through the junk and see if any good mail got caught in the net. If so, you can "remove from junk", which also reports to the system that this type of e-mail might not be junk. This creates a balance preventing people from tricking the filter into thinking EVERYTHING is junk mail.

Sure there's a 2MB storage limit and a 2MB attachment limit, but it's always been more than enough for me. (Especially for the price!)
=Smidge=

What are the deficiencies, exactly?

Some people on the forums I read don't like the Xbox version's song list, claiming it too closely resembles that of Konamix, which they already have. And if there are adapters to let the player use a PS1 dance pad on an Xbox console, how well do they work with Ultramix in practice?

The online play, four-player mode

All home versions of DDR other than handheld versions have a two-player split screen mode ("Versus"). But does the Xbox's four-player mode allow for four players on one console, or does it require two Xbox consoles at 180 USD each plus two copies of the game at 50 USD each?

The online play additionally requires an upgrade from dial-up Internet access to cable or DSL at 240 USD/yr for each player (more if you're currently on NetZero instead of a real ISP) and an Xbox Live subscription at 50 USD/yr for each player, plus a five-figure USD setup fee for each player (that is, the cost of moving house) if you don't already live in an area with cable or DSL service. In addition, the songs you bought seem locked to one Xbox; if it breaks, you've lost all the money you've put into buying songs. (In contrast, the iTunes Music Store and Roxio Napster business models allow for authorizing additional PCs should one break.)

If those issues don't bother you, I feel like striking "(poorly)" from the grandparent comment rather than debating this issue further.

As does the superior sound quality.

Even Konamix had essentially CD quality music, and it was on PS1. Or has Konami remixed the songs in 5.1 channel? Or do you refer to quality of announcer sounds rather than the music?

I guess the big reason why I made grandparent comment is that I'm bitter that Konami isn't making DDR for the GameCube and that I can't afford the other consoles. I can't afford the other consoles because even though I have a four-year degree in computer science and have sent out resumes to local companies advertising IT positions, I haven't been hired as a programmer.

incripshin

Its people like you who pay 22.95 a month for AOL , when for about 8$ more you could find a low-speed DSL that blows AOL away .

No, it's people like me who go on $10/mo NetZero in a town where the cheapest Verizon DSL is $40/mo for the first year.

The only thing I'm really worried about right now is losing my e-mail account and having friends get their messages bounced before I can tell them my new address (whatever that may be). It's almost as bad as going through a change of area code with the phone company, only here, the grace period is a matter of days.

Which is why you never use an email address that's tied to your Internet Connection!

www.juno.com/corp/news/supercomputer.html.

I couldn't find the TOS anywhere on their site; it's mailed to subscribers after they join.

In this stumbling global economy, I can see the distributed computing model used more and more to provide cheap or free internet access. Juno and the SETI@home project for example, send raw data to it's volunteers home PC's to process, then later retrieves the results.
Pennypinchers may soon have to swap cpu cycles while they sleep if they want "free" internet access - not such a steep price IMO.

ISP's have to do something to offset costs, even sneaky ones like Juno.

I sent this to: president@juno.com, there supposed general comment email account.

Due to your recent change in your service agreement, are you going to stop advertising your service as free? I am not a lawyer, but I think that it would be illegal for you to still call your service free.

You are providing a service to your customers and as a condition you are demanding a form of compensation. Compensation does not necessarily mean money. In this case you are demanding a service in return.

Here is an analogy... I tell my next door neighboor that I will shovel their sidewalk for free. However, in return the neighbor must rake my leaves. If the neighbor refuses to rake my leaves I will not shovel his sidewalk. In this case, my service is no longer "free".

I advise that you remove any use of the term "free" with regards to your service.

I also sent an email telling them that I will be advising all the friends I know that use Juno to stop using it. BTW, I have never touched their service and never will. However, I have friends who don't want full ISP service thus don't want to pay for it.

We are proud to be a member of the TRUSTe certification program. TRUSTe is an independent, non-profit initiative whose mission is to build Internet users' trust and confidence in the services they use by promoting TRUSTe's principles of fair information practices. In accordance with TRUSTe's principles, we disclose our information practices and have agreed to have TRUSTe review our practices for compliance.

When you see the TRUSTe mark, you can expect to be notified of:

What types of information are being collected about you
How you can update or correct such information
How the information will be used
With whom the information will be shared

We use the information our subscribers provide to personalize their Internet experience and to meet the needs of our advertisers. For example, while all our members see advertisements, they don't all have to see the same advertisements. If we know that a particular user loves to ski, we might show her an ad for winter vacations; a user who indicates that he has young children might see an ad for pre-school toys. By targeting content in this way, we can make it more likely that the marketing messages and offers on Juno are of interest to the people who see them, which serves both our subscribers' and our advertisers' interests. You agree that we may use Member Profile and other information you provide or relating to your use of the Service to, among other things, facilitate the distribution of information to you by others and administer the Site and maintain and improve the Service.

We also collect data to help us operate our services.
We will not intentionally monitor or disclose any private e-mail message or online communication, although we reserve the right to monitor accounts that are believed to be acting in violation of the Service Agreement, Guidelines for Acceptable Use, or any applicable law or regulation; to protect the integrity of our Service or the Internet community as a whole; or pursuant to request of governmental or legal authority.

In addition to the data you may provide through the Member Profile and other surveys, we may collect information relating to how you use the Service (including, for example, information relating to your frequency of use, navigational information such as the uniform resource locator (URL) of the Web pages you visit, configuration information such as the type of Web browser you are using, your Internet Protocol (IP) address, processor type and operating system, and information relating to the display of any advertisements transmitted to you).

We keep confidential any personal information that might identify you. Some of the information we collect from our users could identify them personally. Such "Identifier Information" includes a person's name, address, e-mail address, credit card number, and telephone number. We will not share any individual's personal Identifier Information with a third party without that individual's consent (except as required or requested by law, regulation or governmental authority -- it is Juno's policy to cooperate fully with legal authorities -- or as set forth in this Privacy Statement). We may disclose to advertisers or other third parties statistical information derived through the aggregation of information you provide or relating to your use of the Service with information associated with all or some subset of the other subscribers to the Service -- for example, we might inform an advertiser interested in marketing a product on the West Coast of the number of Juno subscribers who live in California -- but we will not share the names or addresses (or other Identifier Information) of any of those subscribers without their consent.

But, business is all about taking advantage of customers to some extent, and in reality, kudos to Juno. They need a lot of fools to keep their business going, and they have certainly managed to excel even with a blatantly intrusive product.

On the flip side, I would want to employ the marketers of Juno, they are able to make a tough sell.

As for their web-site, I can not display their first page www.juno.com, it ends somewhere in the middle of a form so my Netscape leaves the page blank.

It seems that they themselves are h4ck3rs.

Alright then, where would be get this infinite amount of data from???

• All the old National Geographics that everybody seems to have collected for some strange reason?
• Maybe the Congressional Record or Internal Revenue Code? About time we got some good use out of those... Yeah, I know that they're not quite infinite yet, but just wait 'til next year!
• Perhaps the phone numbers of all the girls who won't go out with me?
• We could always store the coordinates of all the points on the perimiter of the Mandelbrot set.
• Of course, we could just load it up with the digits of pi or e, but that's kind of boring.
• The authoritative compliation of all the troll postings on Slashdot?
• We could always use the lyrics to "Infinite Bottles of Beer on the Wall", but after the first few hundred thousand bottles we'd probably be slurring too badly for anybody to understand it.

FreeI can be used in Linux by logging in using your normal username and password at the local dial-up number. Juno provides free Internet access. A PPP session in Linux can be initated using the password and login stored in \Juno\User0000\Juno.ini:

[Variables]
login=iukm7
password=mcxvofvb
hostname=m7.jersey.juno.com
port=1793
inetport=1794

Of course you need to have Windows to install the software and register, but after an account is created it's easy to connect using PPP.

Actually, Juno now offers free web access in addition to free email, so they might be worth checking out. You can go to www.juno.com to download their software. They have access numbers all over the country. Just keep in mind that they are Windows only, and there will constantly be an ad on the screen.

Any way, there is a different way of doing it, which is used by companies such as iFreedom which has a patent pending software and business model, and cover USA and Canada.

I use them in the Greater Toronto Area, and they are good, except that they suffer busy signals at times.

They give you Windows software (just like any other Free ISP), but the differences are:

• They force you to click thru every 20 minutes of surfing, otherwise the connection gets dropped. By this, they guarantee that ever user will generate a click thru and not just an ad view.
• They will not eat up a big portion of real estate during your surfing. They only pop up a screen every 20 minutes for you to click thru. I have used AltaVista's Free ISP and they really waste a big portion of the screen, and mess up the icons on the desktop and the windows coordinates. Much of the same applies to Juno and others.

Of course, there is no Linux version (and nothing for any other operating system except Windows).

They've expanded. You can still get free e-mail. But now you can get ... whoops, looks like they've changed their service plans again. You can get either free internet access, or Premium internet access. Oh, and they have WebMail.

They've expanded. You can still get free e-mail. But now you can get ... whoops, looks like they've changed their service plans again. You can get either free internet access, or Premium internet access. Oh, and they have WebMail.