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You've still missed the point. Minix isn't released with the advertising clause. That, my dear sir, is the point.

Feh!

What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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I noted that the Minix license, as quoted, does not include the advertising clause. What part of this do you not understand?

I referred to the change notice posted by UC Berkeley because I couldn't find a copy of the full text of the earlier version of the BSD license. However, it is the same clause 3 which effects the advertising clause. You'll note (if you bother to follow the two thoughtfully provided links) that this clause three isn't present in the Minix license.

Minix was never issued under the prior version of the BSD license, so no, the change notice doesn't affect Minix. You appear to be confused on this point.

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While having a useful teaching tool is a laudable goal, there's no reason why the project couldn't fork, with one version of the kernel being a simple, understandable kernel, and the other serving as the basis for more complex (and presumably useful) designs.

Both the BSD and GPL licenses make forking possible. What the GPL does is ensure that, to the extent anyone wishes to do so, there are no legal embarrments to merging forks down the road. If a full-featured Minix (Maxix?) were to implement some trick-cool concept, that feature and it alone, could be merged back into Minix.

While fork/remerge is possible with BSD code which remains BSD licensed, proprietized development based on BSD code cannot be remerged back to the original core without explicit permission of the new copyright holder.

IMO Tanenbaum's probably too little, too late, though it would be interesting to see what shows up under system software at SourceForge over the next few months....

What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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The license is quoted in full at the Deja archive. The advertising clause afflicted only the "old" BSD license, the language is included in the notice which rescinded this clause.

What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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Ulterior motives are fine, so long as there's a balance of them among those who hold power. It's when everyone's got the same ulterior motive that I start worrying.

My ulterior motives are derived from free software. You gotta problem w'dat?

What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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First it's just one screen gone bad. Now it's spreading to Slashdot. Someone tell Sam.

What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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I urge you all to spread the word about this heinous tripe, and to boycott this site and all andover holdings until they stop trying to sue the competition out of existence.

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Sunday, April 2 2000 at 6:00 p.m.:
(KTCA ) CODE RUSH--.... (Rebroadcast-KTCI-17, Thur., April 6, 10 p.m.) (CC)

Thursday, April 6 2000 at 10:00 p.m.:
(KTCI ) CODE RUSH--.... (CC)

Dude, what are you doing posting meaningful stuff on Slashdot for?

Yes, a university which respected its student body would refer a situation such as this to its academic judiciary. It seems from the facts presented that this isn't the case here -- the school doesn't respect its students enough to supply what's rapidly becoming base-level essentials. They're going ballistic for creative appropriation of what is already freely available. Excellent suggestion, snowball's chance in hell.

What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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NT qualifies under UNIX98 branding as a Unix system when running the compatibility overlay previously known as Interix/OpenNT. Covered in this ZDNet article. MVS has also qualified for Unix branding, IIRC.

Not that I think of NT as Unix.

What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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I posted this on kuro5hin yesterday, on a similar story (about the Playstation2 bypass thing):

I bought a DVD Player (a non-PC one) a couple of weeks back - yeah, I know I'm no longer politically correct.

Anyway, I live in Australia, which is in the Region 4 encoding area, so we can't play US release DVDs, unless you get a Multi-Region player.

In a lot of the shops, they have on the list of features "Multi-Region" as one of the selling points (usually on the non-major brands).

I ended up buying a Toshiba, which isn't Multi-region from a major department store. I asked the assistant "Is this multi-region?", and she didn't even blink. She told me "No, but it only costs $50 to chip it, and most of the Sony Players cost $150+ to chip". She even told me a place where I could get it done.

The multi-region thing is pretty much ignored as far as I can tell. The discs are still encoded, but stores here sell both US and Region 1 discs, and the main selling point seems to be availability (US disks come out sooner) vs extra features (Region 4 disks sometime have more extra-scenes and sometime the sound is better).

Anyway, I didn't realize that some had hidden menus & stuff - that's pretty cool.

Has anyone got one of the Multi-Region Shinco players that play MP3 CDs? How well does the MP3 playback work?

As someone else pointed out in this thread, the "pros" steal stories from each other all the time. Kuro5hin's run many a story that someone first found on slashdot (a recent dual-story about the transparent tape drive and IBM's nano-drive ran, and I'm pretty sure *both* of the leads came from here). Most of slashdot's content, and slightly less (but still most) of mine, consists of links to stories on other news sites. So everyone's stealing stories, because the stories aren't really the point. The point is the discussions.

Ok, this is rambling now. Anyway, that's my take. If slashdot steals stories from me, well, I'm pleased, cause someone's bound to point it out and get me some traffic :-) But it's not something to be ashamed of, really. There's a lot of room in the market here-- no reason slashdot and kuro5hin can't share roughly the same topic-space, now is there?

BTW-- the story on kuro5hin ran as "The Once and Future M-Net"

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If there's a tech news site out there that's doing a better job than /. (read: the kind of job /. used to do), I'd like to know about it.

Two promising contenders are Kuro5hin and advogato. Both are slightly different from Slashdot: kuro5hin lets users moderate stories and has stricter anti-spam rules, and advogato requires users to be "certified" by others based on their participation in the free software world. kuro5hin is updated much more frequently, but the tech level of each is much higher than here on /., and the s/n ratio is magnifique.

And I must apologise to kuro5hin, who were the ones who mentioned the M-Net story, not advogato.

Pardon me for being a little crybaby...waahhh-waahhh...but I don't even know why you guys (being the Slashdot story acceptors/decliners) even attach someones name to a story. This is one of many times that I have posted a story (as seen below):

2000-03-18 07:00:17 10 GB of Data Storeage on Clear Adhesive Tape (articles,news) (declined)

Only to have someone else given the credit. Pardon me for saying so, but that sucks. Why give credit at all, if it's not the correct credit. Granted the other person submitted the story as well, but I submitted it much earlier (7 a.m. CST). Oh crap! I'm gonna lose some karma now. Damn, and just when I was about to reach 60 points! Oh well, moderate me down, down, down....

Guess I'll just have to start getting all of my news that really matters from Kuro5hin.org Have you checked it out yet? Very cool site. It's like the Slashdot of old when it was good (meaning now it's not so good).

there is a little bit of discussion on kuro5hin already. ...

/joeyo

there is a little bit of discussion on kuro5hin already. ...

/joeyo

moderators are soulless cocksuckers. spend your time on kour5hin instead.

I've tried to post a history weeks before, about
part of this scenario becoming a reality here in Brazil.
It hasn't been accepted here at slashdot, but it's live and
well at www.kuro5hin.org, under the title Brazil, a new "Database Nation"?. It has a description of a system developed in Brazil that cross-check data from 3000+ data sources, returning both your entire credit and consumer report (including address, telephone and monthly income) and a credit ranking which will tell how and how much credit you'll be able to take. All of this just with your name. The article has some links (in portuguese) that you may want to translate using your favorite translation tool.

P.

I've tried to post a history weeks before, about
part of this scenario becoming a reality here in Brazil.
It hasn't been accepted here at slashdot, but it's live and
well at www.kuro5hin.org, under the title Brazil, a new "Database Nation"?. It has a description of a system developed in Brazil that cross-check data from 3000+ data sources, returning both your entire credit and consumer report (including address, telephone and monthly income) and a credit ranking which will tell how and how much credit you'll be able to take. All of this just with your name. The article has some links (in portuguese) that you may want to translate using your favorite translation tool.

P.

and I have never heard of this game. The graphics are not very impressive. While porting to linux is sort of nice, are we going to hear every time an unknown app is ported?

Somebody earlier today said that at this point slashdot would probably be better if it just posted press releases, and that really seems to be what's happening. the "[program] ported to linux!" was cool before things were all being ported to linux. If this was "Office ported to linux!" or "Photoshop ported to linux!" it would be something else entirely. Hell, even "Diablo 2 for linux!" would almost be newsworthy. But "Software product #21-201 ported to linux" is not interesting.

TO ANY SLASHDOT EDITOR READING THIS: please make a new topic section for Linux kernel announcements so that people who don't care can filter them out. In the same vein, "x ported to linux!" should go in its own category.

In other news, Linux now supports 2 TERABYTES of memory: http://www.suse.de/en/new s/PressReleases/Terabyte_en.html, courtesy kuro5hin's submission queue.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/

Actually looks like it could be an interesting site.

- Jesus Christ
(#154953, account temporarily disabled for being moderated down)

I am the Lord.
God Hates Moderators.

I'm glad to know I'm appreciated. Now you need to get to work trolling a very special new website. It's going to be the new slashdot. All the trolls are leaving slashdot and heading over there. It's Kuro5hin.org when we get through with it it's going to suck more than slashdot ever possibly could.
--80md

www.kuro5hin.org : story moderation is here.

You are probably as sick of seeing this link in Slashdot as I am, but click it, it's worth it. Plus they use verdana font; much easier on the eyes. Not completely finished (no comment moderation yet) but maybe they should just ditch slash and use kuro5hin (which is GPL also).

For another take on this story, see the story on kuro5hin.com.

DON'T LIKE SLASHDOT? THINK TACO SOLDOUT? SICK OF TROLLS? ETC? TRY KURO5HIN.ORG - it's like pre-Slashdot again, but with the good parts that modern Slashdot has!

Keep Slashdot as your browser's homepage, but bookmark that site and help it grow until it overtakes Slashdot - which it will.

My only gripe about this site is the *extremely* stupid name (aliases are bad enough - but a popular site based on your alias? woo. prepare to get a new alias, 'cause yours no longer means anything ;))

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Disclaimer: I do not, in any way, work for or even know the creators of kuro5shin.org. I REALIZE THIS IS LAME, IRRITATING, TROLLING (which is what the site is against) AND LAME SOME MORE. But I don't care. I want to see this site grow. It will anyway, on its own, but a couple more regulars right now couldn't hurt. For your information, the stories currently get about 10-40 comments each, can be moderated (both comments and stories posted can be moderated), and some more things. Good alternative, future leader. Hoping the name gets changed AGH! Once again, STFU. All replies are ignored, except those replies that informed me of my absolute and utter stu-fucking-pidity in spelling the link wrong GAHGAHGAHGAHGAH.

Damn! I wish I were cool enough to get into the Slashgrits poll like Signal 11. He's even leading the poll and beating Grits guy out with an astounding 25% of the votes. I love the title of the page: "Slashgrits: News for Gritlovers. Steaming bowls that matter." This site made my day.

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My question was number 9. I reallly appreciate Mr. Nielsen answering it. What a cool answer too. Excellent ideas. Makes even more excited about the future!



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True, true.

kuro5hin.org

"It's all about the Bejamins baby!"

This sums it up. Progress in this whole industry (hardware at least) is so very incremental. There is waaaaaayy too much $$$ to be made by putting out a little at a time. I think it is too funny (almost shamefully so on Intel's part) how just before the beginning of this year (end of 1999) we were hearing it would be third or fourth quarter of 2000 before we would see 1 GHz proc's running around. Funny how a little competition changes things and shifts paradigms. Moore's Law, Schmoores Law! Sometimes, I think that "law" (and I use that term very loosely) was only created for revenue purposes. It just keeps a steady, bankable flow in of cash coming in for Intel. Now, AMD has blown that "law" out of the water by taking the fight directly to Intel, then one little slip up in production schedules an BAMMM!! the carpet gets pulled out from beneath you.

Also, I remember not so long ago when IBM (maybe Motorola too?) comes out and says, "Hey we're going to use Copper interconnects, screw Aluminum." The word from Intel? "We're gonna stick with Aluminum. We still have a ways to go with it before we exhaust it's possibilities." What a load of crap!! They just wanted to hold out on using Copper so they can milk Aluminum (and milk the customer) for all it's worth. Well, that's MHO anyway. Anyone else agree? Disagree?

Official Disclaimer: Mind you, the above statements are not the original statements from the above mentioned companies, merely my recollections (to the best of my meager abilities.) Also, the opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of Slashdot, or me for that matter ;-) So don't go gettin' all lawsuit happy on me!

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"Then why are you having to beg people to do it? Seriously.

"OK, but will it still be a coup if his begging isn't successful? :)"

From my personal use and what I've heard from others, it is already a very good product and therefor IMVHO it is already a coup. I just want it to be the best product possible and thereby be the biggest coup possible.

Readers of Slashdot are aware of each and every milestone release and it seems as though it is taking a long time for version 1.0 to arrive, but considering the complexity of the product and the fact that it has been re-written with a new engine in place, I think it is an incredible feat and the Mozilla/Netscape guys should be applauded. They probably feel like the "Rodney Dangerfield" of the software world, getting little or no respect.

By the way, I don't remember anyone ever stating that the OSS method of software development was the necessarily the fastest . It takes time to craft a quality product. Besides, we don't want Mozilla to be like the bug-laden products of some companies out there...do we? Of course not.

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I'd like to appeal to everyone. If you like Linux and especially Open Source Software, please download this release of Mozilla (and future releases as well) and use it, abuse it, and break it. Then, report those bugs! This is going to be one of the biggest coups for Open Source Software and show a lot of detractors that OSS is a viable method for developing quality software. It will also blow away a lot of FUD concerning security issues, etc. of OSS (because it's open.) Thanks.

kuro5hin.org

What is the next "big thing" in interfaces?

Surely "windowing" can't be the end-all-be-all of interfaces. Is there some paradigm shift around the corner which we can't conceive of right now? Perhaps the same "leap" which occurred going from command line/text to windows.

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I saw it here in Dallas, at the local Cinemark/IMAX. I really wanted to see it at The Science Place (like a science museum, it also has an IMAX).

Speaking with a friend who had seen it at both places, he preferred the Cinemark. The Science Place has one of those "omni-dome" screens, which really distorted the picture, as well as clipping the lower left and right corners. When I heard about that, I was frustrated because IMHO, The Science Place's IMAX is neater and has more stuff to do afterwards.

Anyway, F2K was really good, except for the bits with the human actors (Steve Martin??? give me a break!)

If you're going to go see it, try to make sure the theatre screen is a plain flat non-cool IMAX screen and you'll be able to see the action a lot better.

--Robert
Take a look at http://www.kuro5hin.org - Moderate the submission queue

I was just reading this arti cle over at O'Reilly.Linux.com.
ESR says that he has "inside information" from MS about a port of MS Office to Linux. Hmmmmm.... the plot thickens.
Here's the quote: "Raymond: That is not something I feel like I have a good answer to. I am fairly sure that there is already, however, a Linux-portable Office. I have some intelligence from inside Microsoft that strongly suggests that, and it also makes sense for that to exist already if the people at Microsoft are smart enough to see that there's a wreck coming in their operating systems business -- and I think they are that smart."



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Obscenity is defined by local community standards.

Bullshit, obscenity is defined by parents who may or may not stick to community standard, but community standards are what would sell filtering software, so I will assume that community standards are desirable for the remainder of this post.

Filtering is clearly not ideal, and the standards it uses are likely stricter than those of any particular community. But until effective alternative forms of control are available

There is a very effective alternative, share the cache directories of the computers and set up a slide show presentation on a computer (facing a chair where a librarian sits a lot) to run through the image caches of the web browsers. Community standards enforced, no false blocking, no unblocked porn.. bingo perfect solution created with a spare computer, and a perl script.

Do you know why the AFA is not recomending this solution? The answer is they don't want to just block porn, they want to block gay rights, women's rights, etc. This is not about porn to the higher up in the AFA.. it is about the culture war.. and they do not really want to see an effective porn blocking solution like I propose.. they want parents to not trust the internet. Remember, the research suggests that 1 out of 20 blocks is a bad block (of constitutionally protected speach, i.e. not porn).

We are having a discussion of a Technological solution to this problem at kuro5hin.org.

I don't mean to be an ass or anything but wouldn't they just block sites like Slashdot, etc if they started doing this?

First, the idea was that LOTS of sites would carry the blocked site of the day list, i.e. they can't block them all. Actually, you would distribute a script to create a daily graphic so that people without script access could host it. The problem is that the graphic would be blocked too, so you would need lots of people to mirror it (or use the script to generate the daily graphic) and a database of unblocked URL for the graphic. It would be impossible to impossible to block the graphic on every URL in the database since you would make it easy to obtain a few URLs from the database but very difficult to obtain a large percentage of the database.

Second, you could say that it is more importent for these people to have access to news sources like slashdot then to protest, but I do not really think that is a major concern. Having access to a list of blocked sites and ways to get arround the blocking implies learning about and having access to the blocked sites.

We are discussing this at kuro5hin.org.

This idea of have voting on submission is really taking this discussion site idea to a new level. It would be great to see that on Slashdot in some form or another. The FAQ currently states on the issue:

Believe me when I say the submissions box isn't fit for mainstream consumption. We work really hard to keep a certain standard up on Slashdot, and I feel that opening up the submissions bin would be so prone to abuses, that it would make it much more difficult to maintain.

The point you are making is not very good. Whoever is voting on submissions is not a mainstream consumer. He knows that he has to put up with crap. Hey, when I have moderater access right now I got down to "-1", I see things I NEVER see, when I am at my usual "+2".

There are some valid points, why an intelligent editor might pick better stories than mass voting: He adds presonality and has an overall consistency that might get lost.

So here is the idea: Why not having a seperate SECTION with highly voted stories. Pick, say, every 6 hours the best 3 or what have you, and post them in the section no matter what. If the selection sometimes is lousy and "M$ ate my ballz" makes, so what. Let the visitors of the site decide if they want to see that section or not.

For now, I gonna head over to kuro5hin and check it out.

Thanks for the link to kuro5hin.org . It looks like a cool site and I've been looking for an alternative to Slashdot, not because I don't like it anymore, but because I WOULD LIKE MORE TO READ and Slashdot does not post enough stories for me. I've posted something similar before, but no one seems to care and/or listen. Oh well, whatever. If not here, I can go other places for additional content. I'll still come to Slashdot, but now I have another cool weblog to visit. Anyone else have any other sites they particularly like for Slashdot-style stories and information? I'm sure I'm not the only person who would be interested. Thanks in advance.

Have you looked at kuro5hin.org yet? Very cool site. Check it out.
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Thanks for the link to kuro5hin.org . It looks like a cool site and I've been looking for an alternative to Slashdot, not because I don't like it anymore, but because I WOULD LIKE MORE TO READ and Slashdot does not post enough stories for me. I've posted something similar before, but no one seems to care and/or listen. Oh well, whatever. If not here, I can go other places for additional content. I'll still come to Slashdot, but now I have another cool weblog to visit. Anyone else have any other sites they particularly like for Slashdot-style stories and information? I'm sure I'm not the only person who would be interested. Thanks in advance.

Have you looked at kuro5hin.org yet? Very cool site. Check it out.
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kuro5hin.org (corrosion) lets readers moderate the submission queue. It's really neat to see it in action for the first time, (log in as a user, then go to "moderate submissions).

As a matter of fact, the website owner hasn't been in town for half the week, and good stories are still making it to the front page. Truly a very interesting website.

--Robert

This was posted a day or two ago at kuro5hin.org (corrosion). To see some other insightful comments on this topic (and the ability to moderate your own story submissions) take a look at it.

http://www.kuro5h in.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2000/2/16/95028/4003

--Robert

This was posted a day or two ago at kuro5hin.org (corrosion). To see some other insightful comments on this topic (and the ability to moderate your own story submissions) take a look at it.

http://www.kuro5h in.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2000/2/16/95028/4003

--Robert

So, all moral righteousness aside, how do people here defend their stance that all of these things should be legal? Basically, my question is, why shouldn't the MPAA have the right to use whatever boneheaded methods they want to prevent people from seeing their media?

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My existing code lives at scoop.kuro5hin.org, and www.kuro5hin.org is running scoop as well. The downloadable sources are screwed up right now, but that will be fixed this weekend, along with (hopefully) open content moderation.

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My existing code lives at scoop.kuro5hin.org, and www.kuro5hin.org is running scoop as well. The downloadable sources are screwed up right now, but that will be fixed this weekend, along with (hopefully) open content moderation.

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Note that this is a really harsh solution, from me. this post pretty well explains what I usually think of self-censorship. JonKatz makes me angry sometimes, and irritated others, and occasionally even amused. So I don't want to just screen him out. Roblimo... I just don't really care to see anymore. Apathy is the worst punishment (even Katz knows that! ;-)).

As for finding or creating something better, well, I'm trying to help others create by writing free software for them to use. Scoop is a from-scratch slash clone which is already licensed under the GPL. It's not my real job, so development is in my spare time, but it's coming along. Maybe with weblog software that's usable, others will be able to create more interesting communities.

"Moderation is good, in theory."
-Larry Wall

$ wc -w katzarticle
1262 ktz

It seems you're not doing your part to stem the tide, Jon. Shame shame. :-)

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There is no K5 cabal.

Early visions of the Virtual Community haven't come to pass for a variety of reasons.

This clearly demonstrates you have no idea what you are talking about. AOL, the enemy of geeks everywhere, is FILLED with hundreds of not THOUSANDS of Virtual Communities. All built and maintained by its users. Unfortunatly AOL gets greedy and once the VC is popular, they take control over it and run it into the ground. The point still stands. I know of an other VC over at that other site that I won't mention that is maintained by its users. This is all not even mentioning IRC chatrooms, MUD's, webrings, Instant Messaging, et al.

Just because you don't like the very popular and available options does not mean they didn't/don't work out or exist.