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I must have missed the announcement also, but just this weekend at my local LUG (KaLUG) this was the topic of a two hour presentation.

If you have dependency problems in Debian, you need to learn how to use you distro. Seriously. Let me recycle this comment. Or look into the docs. (4th link on google for 'debian "security fix" version' btw.).

"Ask Bruce Perens" section, or icon for Bruce. :)

Nice move Bruce. Do you think they'd publish opensource book for other languages, like this one? Can I submit those opensource document even I'm not the author, provided that we credit where its due?

While it's great that the world's most populous nation is adopting open source, there is one problem with it: the leadership of China are some of the most brutal and flagrant abusers of human rights, and companies such are Red Hat are catering to their notion that Taiwan is a "Renegade Province" and somehow belongs to China, when the opposite is true.

Formosa (Taiwan) was never controlled by China, and China only wants to siphon off its strong capitalist economy and end the most basic freedoms in the country to exercise hegemony.

Most notably, RedHat has removed the Taiwanese Flag from RedHat 8.0 to appease China's ruling Communist Party -- this is an insult to the Taiwanese, who value their freedom and independence, and are constantly under the threat of a Chinese communist attack by China, and RedHat is disavowing their very right to exist by removing the flag.

Put [The Taiwanese] National Flag Back!

For those who browse without sigs

Redhat kowtows to China

And to the moderators--saying something bad about a Linux distributor doesn't automatically make a comment flamebait. Sometimes it's true.

The amazing thing about this is that it seems to be on all versions of RH8 that this has happened (not just the ones sold to China) - so the versions sold in Taiwan won't even have their flag ...

The Taiwan Linux UG have an online petition to reinstate the flag.

In the newly release redhat 8.0 distribution, we Taiwanese users found that our national flag (the national flag of the Republic of China) was removed from the KDE 3.0 Control Center. No doubt, the Republic of China is a country, and the modification made by you guys is nothing but an evil political attack against our nationality. Please show your respect that all KDE developers/users from Taiwan deserve. http://www.linux.org.tw/rh8-kde/

Australia

ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Brisbane)
Austria

ftp://ftp.univie.ac.at/systems/linux/Mandrake/8.2/ i586/ (Vienna)

ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Vienna)
Belgium

ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/mandrake/8.2/i586/
Costa Rica

ftp://ftp.ucr.ac.cr/pub/Unix/linux/mandrake/Mandra ke/8.2/i586/
Czech Republic

ftp://ftp.cesnet.cz/OS/Linux/Mandrake/mandrake/8.2 /i586/ (Brno)

ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Brno)

ftp://klobouk.fsv.cvut.cz/pub/linux-mandrake/Mandr ake/8.2/i586/ (Prague)

ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Mandrake/m andrake/8.2/i586/ (Prague)

http://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Brno)
Denmark

ftp://ftp.dkuug.dk/pub/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Koebenhavn)

ftp://ftp.sunsite.dk/mirrors/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Aalborg)
Estonia

ftp://ftp.aso.ee/pub/os/Linux/distributions/mandra ke/8.2/i586/
Finland

ftp://ftp.song.fi/pub/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Espoo)
France

ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Nancy)

ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/unix/linux/distribu tions/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Paris)

ftp://ftp.info.univ-angers.fr/pub/linux/distributi ons/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Angers)

ftp://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake /8.2/i586/ (Paris)

ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandr ake/8.2/i586/ (Paris)

ftp://ftp.u-strasbg.fr/pub/linux/distributions/man drake/8.2/i586/ (Strasbourg)

ftp://linux.ups-tlse.fr/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Toulouse)
Germany

ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mandra ke/8.2/i586/ (Esslingen)

ftp://ftp.de.uu.net/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://ftp.fh-giessen.de/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i58 6/ (Giessen)

ftp://ftp.fh-wolfenbuettel.de/pub/os/linux/mandrak e/dist/8.2/i586/ (Wolfenbuettel)

ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Goettingen)

ftp://ftp.join.uni-muenster.de/pub/linux/distribut ions/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Muenster)

ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/unix/linux/Mandrake/ Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Munchen)

ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i5 86/ (Chemnitz)

ftp://ftp.tu-clausthal.de/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i 586/ (Clausthal)

ftp://ftp.uasw.edu/pub/os/linux/mandrake/dist/8.2/ i586/ (Wolfenbuettel)

ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i 586/ (bayreuth)

ftp://ftp.uni-kassel.de/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i58 6/ (Kassel)

ftp://ftp.uni-mannheim.de/systems/linux/mandrake/8 .2/i586/ (Mannheim)

ftp://ftp.vat.tu-dresden.de/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Dresden)

ftp://ramses.wh2.tu-dresden.de/pub/mirrors/mandrak e/8.2/i586/ (Dresden)

ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/Linux/ mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Aachen)
Greece

ftp://ftp.duth.gr/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Thrace)

ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Athens)
Hong Kong

ftp://ftp.wisr.eie.polyu.edu.hk/linux/mandrake/8.2 /i586/
Hungary

ftp://ftp.linuxforum.hu/mirror/Mandrake/8.2/i586/
Ireland

ftp://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/
Italy

ftp://bo.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Bologna)

ftp://ftp.edisontel.it/pub/Mandrake_Mirror/Mandrak e/8.2/i586/
Latvia

ftp://ftp.latnet.lv/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/
Netherlands

ftp://ftp.nl.uu.net/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrake/Man drake/8.2/i586/

ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrake/M andrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://ftp.wau.nl/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Wageningen)
Poland

ftp://ftp.ps.pl/mirrors/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Szczecin)

ftp://ftp.task.gda.pl/pub/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Gdansk)
Portugal

ftp://ftp.dei.uc.pt/pub/linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/8. 2/i586/ (Coimbra)

ftp://tux.cprm.net/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/
Russia

ftp://ftp.chg.ru/pub/Linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Chernogolovka)
Singapore

ftp://ftp.singnet.com.sg/opensource/linux/Mandrake /8.2/i586/
Slovakia

ftp://spirit.profinet.sk/mirrors/Mandrake/8.2/i586 / (Bratislava)
Spain

ftp://ftp.cesga.es/pub/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Galicia)

ftp://ftp.cica.es/pub/Linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Sevilla)

ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandr ake/8.2/i586/
Sweden

ftp://ftp.chello.se/pub/Linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://ftp.chl.chalmers.se/pub/Linux/distributions/ Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Gothenburg)

ftp://ftp.du.se/pub/os/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Dalarma)
Switzerland

ftp://ftp.pcds.ch/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Neuhausen)

ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/mandrake/8.2/ i586/ (Zurich)
Taiwan

ftp://linux.cdpa.nsysu.edu.tw/pub/Mandrake/mandrak e/8.2/i586/

ftp://linux.csie.nctu.edu.tw/distributions/mandrak e/Mandrake/8.2/i586/

ftp://mdk.linux.org.tw/pub/mandrake/8.2/i586/
Turkey

ftp://ftp.ankara.edu.tr/pub/linux/dagitimlar/Mandr ake/8.2/i586/ (Ankara)
United Kingdom

ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/un ix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Canterbury)
United States

ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributi ons/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Georgia)

ftp://ftp.cise.ufl.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandra ke/8.2/i586/ (Florida)

ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandrake/mandr ake/8.2/i586/ (NY)

ftp://ftp.nmt.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (New Mexico)

ftp://ftp.orst.edu/pub/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Oregon)

ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/distributions/mandrake/8.2/i 586/ (Virginia)

ftp://ftp.umr.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake/8.2/ i586/ (Missouri)

ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/mandrake/8.2/i586 / (Indiana)

ftp://linux-cs.tccw.wku.edu/pub/linux/distribution s/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (WKU-Linux, Western Kentucky University)

ftp://mirror.aca.oakland.edu/linux/mandrake/8.2/i5 86/ (Michigan)

ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/Mandrak e/8.2/i586/ (Wisconsin)

ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Illinois)

ftp://mirrors.ptd.net/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Pensylvania)

ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandra ke/8.2/i586/

ftp://uml-pub.ists.dartmouth.edu/mirrors/ftp.mandr akesoft.com/pub/Mandrake/mandrake/8.2/i586/ (New Hampshire)

ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors/mandrake/Mandra ke/8.2/i586/ (Hawaii)

http://mandrake.dsi.internet2.edu/Mandrake/8.2/i58 6/ (For Internet2 academic institutions only)

CLE (Chinese Linux Extension) may be a good choice for you. Initially it was based on RH, then slackware,mandrake and SuSE are also supported. The newest version of CLE is called GAGA20020625, which is based on RH 7.3. You can find more information at CLE and download GAGA at ftp. For more information of Chinese support on Linux, check out the Linuxfab, which contains a forum on office suite for Linux.

CLE (Chinese Linux Extension) may be a good choice for you. Initially it was based on RH, then slackware,mandrake and SuSE are also supported. The newest version of CLE is called GAGA20020625, which is based on RH 7.3. You can find more information at CLE and download GAGA at ftp. For more information of Chinese support on Linux, check out the Linuxfab, which contains a forum on office suite for Linux.

Czech Republic

ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/ Mandrake/iso/
France

ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/ linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Lyon)

ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Nancy)
Germany

ftp:// ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mandrake/iso / (Esslingen)
Iceland

ftp://ftp.mbl.is/pub/mandrake/ iso/ (Reykjavik)
Italy

ftp://bo.mirror. garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bologna)

http://bo.mirror. garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bologna)
Slovakia

ftp://hq. alert.sk/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/iso/

ftp://spirit. profinet.sk/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bratislava)
Taiwan

ftp://mdk.linux.org.tw/ pub/mandrake/iso/
United States

ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrake/iso/ (North Carolina)

ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributi ons/mandrake/iso/ (Georgia)

ftp://ftp.math. utah.edu/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Utah)

ftp://mirror.mcs.anl. gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)

I have come up a few other players in this arena, competition is good. of course ;-)

• Thizlinux
• Chinese 2000, based on Chinese Language Extension, packaged with Hancom Office Suite
• Chinee Language Extension they patches Red Hat and Slackware! for a Chinese desktop, may be regarded as the "mother" of Chinese localization
• Turbo linux, don't know what they're doing in Chinese Linux desktop recently

btw, the one reviewed in the newsforge.com is 2.4 desktop. version 3.0 is coming (sorry, no more English and Traditional Chinese installation screens, only Simplified Chinese is available) and I've tried the beta CD, quite OK for normal use but some installation gliches.

Also... a Chinese-enabled desktop is possible (just click "Chinese" during install..) by the normal Debian/Mandrake/RedHat CDs.

What you want is (I think) di-yi kan (publish) or perhaps di-yi yan (word)... Anyone else know for sure?

Sorry, I can't supply the GB codes, as I don't have xcin on this machine. And, after multiple tries, I can't get Slashcode to accept your originals (cut-n-pasted) without converting them to question marks. (How'd you do that?)

--jrd

You might start by checking out this listof foreign language distros. You'll find links to two Chinese language distros there: BluePoint Linux, which the site describes as the most-used distro in mainland China, and Linpus Linux, which is the biggest distro in Taiwan and (I understand) also has a fair market share on the mainland.

Chinese Language Extensions (CLE) can also be downloaded separately.

I can't speak to the programming aspects of the CLE distros, but as far as general use Chinese support goes, they're quite good.

Recently, we also have a Software liberty Association for improve the opensource in Taiwan.

Above are only a few information I know about Linux @ Taiwan. As for BSD @ Taiwan, I also know few BSD committer who spent lots of time on Chinese support for BSD.

Anyway, for those who help the Chinese on Linux/BSD, I've to say THANKS to you all.

Seventeen

Recently, we also have a Software liberty Association for improve the opensource in Taiwan.

Above are only a few information I know about Linux @ Taiwan. As for BSD @ Taiwan, I also know few BSD committer who spent lots of time on Chinese support for BSD.

Anyway, for those who help the Chinese on Linux/BSD, I've to say THANKS to you all.

Seventeen

Recently, we also have a Software liberty Association for improve the opensource in Taiwan.

Above are only a few information I know about Linux @ Taiwan. As for BSD @ Taiwan, I also know few BSD committer who spent lots of time on Chinese support for BSD.

Anyway, for those who help the Chinese on Linux/BSD, I've to say THANKS to you all.

Seventeen

Recently, we also have a Software liberty Association for improve the opensource in Taiwan.

Above are only a few information I know about Linux @ Taiwan. As for BSD @ Taiwan, I also know few BSD committer who spent lots of time on Chinese support for BSD.

Anyway, for those who help the Chinese on Linux/BSD, I've to say THANKS to you all.

Seventeen

Recently, we also have a Software liberty Association for improve the opensource in Taiwan.

Above are only a few information I know about Linux @ Taiwan. As for BSD @ Taiwan, I also know few BSD committer who spent lots of time on Chinese support for BSD.

Anyway, for those who help the Chinese on Linux/BSD, I've to say THANKS to you all.

Seventeen

Recently, we also have a Software liberty Association for improve the opensource in Taiwan.

Above are only a few information I know about Linux @ Taiwan. As for BSD @ Taiwan, I also know few BSD committer who spent lots of time on Chinese support for BSD.

Anyway, for those who help the Chinese on Linux/BSD, I've to say THANKS to you all.

Seventeen

Recently, we also have a Software liberty Association for improve the opensource in Taiwan.

Above are only a few information I know about Linux @ Taiwan. As for BSD @ Taiwan, I also know few BSD committer who spent lots of time on Chinese support for BSD.

Anyway, for those who help the Chinese on Linux/BSD, I've to say THANKS to you all.

Seventeen

Like the Chinese follow REGULAR software license agreements ??? 90% of the stuff they use in the government ministries is pirated.

China breaks EULAs because it's too poor to afford purchasing licenses.

What makes you think they care about the Linux GPL ??

IANAL, but all it needs to do to comply with GNU GPL is include the source code on the CDs it burns for Chinese GNU/Linux users. Now how tough is that?

Oh, by the way, here's your GPL in Chinese. It's an unofficial translation, but I think the government will understand it. :-)

hmm... AFAIK there is a project called Chinese Language Extension (CLE). They have incorporated many useful Chinese programs, fonts, input methods and such into RH disto. For some time they posted their wanted to port the CLE to other distos like s.u.s.e and slackware.. but i donno how far has been done. If you are interested, go to give a hand :)