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Re:Pedantic if not downright false
but if it's being sold as XP Professsional, that's all that is relevant
Go here and click on Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional English North America CD w/SP2. Adding the item to your cart gives you the product name: "Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional". This is not the 64-bit version.
Moral of the story: If you buy Windows XP Professional from Microsoft, you are not getting a separate and distinct product that runs in 64-bit mode on your processor. For that, you would need to buy Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
Not yet convinced? Visit here to see that "Windows XP Professional" and "Windows XP Professional x64 Edition" are different editions of Windows XP. A nice table illustrates the point.
If a product you buy says it is supported under Windows XP Professional, you cannot assume it is supported under Windows XP Professional x64 Edition. They are different products and they have different names. -
Re:No.. requirements list itself omitted the info.
The listed product requirements mention XP and Vista, but didn't (and at the time of writing still don't) mention anything about incompatibility with 64-bit versions.
Apple explicitly lists which versions of Windows (almost comically thanks to how many versions MS insists on creating) the iPhone is compatible with. The fact that it doesn't list the 64-bit versions is an indication of an incompatibility. MS explicitly lists Windows XP Professional x64 as a separate product from Windows XP Professional. For Vista the 64 bit media only comes with Ultimate edition and must be requested from MS if you have any other version. This is a non-issue for the majority of Windows users.
Should they have made an even greater effort to indicate a problem with Windows x64 versions? Possibly, but I would lay most of the problem on MS for having such a confusing (arbitrarily so?) product family, and to be honest this has to affect such a tiny fraction of a percent of all iPhone buyers it's probably just better to deal with the returns then to further confuse most consumers.
Apple sells two OS's for users to choose from, OS X and OS X Server, and has made moves from one architecture to another basically invisible to the average user. The G3, G4, and Core Duo processors are 32-bit, G5 and Core Duo 2 are 64-bit, but the user never had to worry about software incompatibilities. PPC software runs on Intel hardware through Rosetta allowing, for better or worse, many software developers to wait until their next product release to create a Universal binary, again the user didn't have to worry about software incompatibilities.
It's reasonable to assume
It's never reasonable to assume (especially on a $500-$600 purchase) because it makes an ass(of)u(and)me. -
Re:It's not my Zune! It's a false one!
Your critique is valid. I stated the case quite poorly. Microsoft clearly intends Windows XP Professional x64 Edition to be a consumer operating system, in which light I should have said it failed. Although I think that the barriers to its widespread adoption go beyond the issues you describe, in general I agree with your assessment. I'm not particularly interested in a detailed discussion of that nuance however, so with your kind permission I'll simply retract the statement you quoted. I don't consider it to be fiction, but a proper treatment of the topic would be lengthy and not particularly stimulating. Thank you for keeping me on my toes.
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Re:64 bit but do you have the memory ??
For 32-bit processors it's called Physical Address Extension PAE. Any one process is still limited to only 4 GB of memory but the OS can have different 4 GB maps that are assigned to different processes. It theory it works well, in practice it's a pain in the ass.
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Re:Apple lists this problem in fine print
I highly doubt Billy is gonna give code to operate seemless with 64 Windows.
He doesn't need to, it's documented on http://msdn.microsoft.com/Why should Mac support windows and vise versa.
Brings in more business I would imagine. -
Requirements omit to mention Windows 3.1Come on, who'd buy a first-gen iPod without checking to see if it would work with their XP box? Or a Newton without checking to see if it could data transfer with Windows 3.1? That's a poor and downright misleading comparison. The listed product requirements mention XP and Vista, but didn't (and at the time of writing still don't) mention anything about incompatibility with 64-bit versions. So they list the ones they support, and don't list the ones they don't support?
What a shocker.
The official name of the 64 bit product is Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
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Re:Ass backwards.It is false advertisement to print something false on a retail box. There's a pretty good argument to be made that XP-64 and Vista-64 are products separate from XP and Vista. The compatibility issues alone are enough--and note that when something supports these non-mainstream operating systems, they tend to specifically mention it. No one says, "Supports XP-32 and Vista-32."
Even Microsoft differentiates them by edition.
Checking the specs at Apple.com: Windows Vista Home Premium, Business, Enterprise, or Ultimate Edition; or Windows XP Home or Professional with Service Pack 2 or later Note how they mention two of the five XP editions. If I bought this, plugged it into an MCE or Tablet Edition PC, I wouldn't expect it to work based upon their specs. Why should I expect it to work with the x64 Edition, which is notorious for compatibility issues, and which is not listed in their specs? It is bad customer service to delete support requests from your support forum. I couldn't agree more, and I'm getting really tired of these companies deleting posts in order to maintain their image. If it's spam or a made up problem ("My iPhone won't turn water into wine!!! It sucks!!!") I could understand. But legitimate issues? Someone might read the forum, realize that the iPhone won't work with their computer, and decide not to buy it, saving them hassle and probably a 10% restocking fee. Apple should allow these posts. Microsoft did not perform the referenced actions, and are therefore not accountable for them. True. Microsoft did two things:
1) Chose not to provide a 32-bit compatibility layer for drivers.
2) Provided explicit names for their operating systmes (see their list of XP editions.)
Neither of these makes them culpable for the iPhone drama, however addressing number 1 would be nice as it would mean more compatibility overall.
I'm not an Apple guy. I used to want a Macbook Pro because I think that their OS is kinda neat, but then I realized that it doesn't really do anything that Linux+Xorg+Beryl doesn't do. The iPhone, in my opinion, is rife with flaws (lack of 3G, lack of 3rd-party support, no OTA sync/iTunes, lack of hardware buttons, lack of customization--ringtones specifically--etc.) I definitely don't think that Apple can do no wrong--they do lots and lots of wrong (like speaking out against DRM while keeping DRM in their own OS.) But you've got to be fair. I don't think that Apple did anything legally wrong, and while mentioning that 3 editions of XP aren't supported would have been nice, they clearly stated which versions were supported. That should be enough. -
Bad, but is it that bad?I agree that this is bad, but I am not sure I agree that it is outrageous.
To start with, there are very few 64bit users out there. Does anyone have statistics on how many have taken the plunge?
The reason only few users have switched is that there are plenty of incompatibilities with existing software. Microsoft themselves say "The 64-bit editions of Windows Vista are not for everyone, and require a system with a 64-bit processor and 64-bit system drivers. Please confirm that your system, applications, and devices are compatible with a 64-bit edition of Windows Vista before installing."
In other words, if you run 64-bit Windows, you already have a problem. You should not just assume that all previous software works with 64-bit. You should make sure that there is an explicit specification: "Hey! We promise that we work in 64-bit." If not, it is unlikely that it does.
Besides someone who runs 64bit Vista also necessarily has the software to run 32 bit, unless I am mistaken. If you are unlucky enough to have bought an iPhone and only have one computer and that one runs 64 bit, you already have the software to downgrade it to 32 bit for activation.
Is it inconvenient? Yes. Is it surprising that there is an incompatibility? No.
Regarding your deleted post, I am sure it was not because you revealed the truth to mankind. There are dozens of posts in the discussion forum about people with 64 bit problems. Not many out of 6000 posts and many thousands sold units, but some, probably reflecting the number of users in this situation. Posts are deleted when they do not follow the terms of use. They should be constructive, polite, and they should not discuss Apple policies. Further they should not include ads and so on and so on. I do not know what rule you broke against in your post, but it was hardly that you mentioned a technical problem.
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That's correct...
the customer shouldn't have to worry about compatibility. When they buy a product called "Windows XP," it should provide compatibility with all programs written for "Windows XP." Microsoft claims that "Windows XP Professional x64 Edition gives you access to greater amounts of memory while continuing to support 32-bit applications." and "seamlessly run 32-bit...applications." (emphasis added)
So blame Microsoft, not Apple. Even Microsoft's own Zune didn't run on XP64 when it was released. -
"Baghdad Bob" said most secure OS, not Windows
"Microsoft: Vista Most Secure OS Ever"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bob+muglia+vi sta+most+secure
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/15/173 223
http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_Vista_Mo st_Secure_OS_Ever/1150366131
Based on the highly publicized claim by Bob Muglia at TechEd.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/bobmuglia/ default.mspx
This isn't hyperbole?
Security is proven, never claimed. The only answers to the question of security are "no" and "maybe." -
Re:Good idea or not?I've loved all Civ's and improvments that have come with new versions. I've played a some Age of Empires, but mostly I'm for strategy genre games. When thinking about action packed CIV, I get this mental image of Defender of the Crown + Risk + CIV. A lot of large scale micromanagements task done to your cities, but once on war with neighbouring region, of you got with your catapult blasting defending cities walls(or castles).
it would propably take something out of the management side of CIV, but honestly, I'd like to command my armies to battle field taking world piece by piece RISK style.
I'll just have to wait what they will produce and hopefully be a happy camper. Have you tried Rise of Nations? It's like a combination of Age of Empires and Civilization. And, it has the RISK style gameplay you describe. -
Re:Good idea or not?I've loved all Civ's and improvments that have come with new versions. I've played a some Age of Empires, but mostly I'm for strategy genre games. When thinking about action packed CIV, I get this mental image of Defender of the Crown + Risk + CIV. A lot of large scale micromanagements task done to your cities, but once on war with neighbouring region, of you got with your catapult blasting defending cities walls(or castles).
it would propably take something out of the management side of CIV, but honestly, I'd like to command my armies to battle field taking world piece by piece RISK style.
I'll just have to wait what they will produce and hopefully be a happy camper. Have you tried Rise of Nations? It's like a combination of Age of Empires and Civilization. And, it has the RISK style gameplay you describe. -
Re:I'd love to see the EULA
Ah... this would be the part then:
However, by posting or otherwise providing your submission, you are granting to the public free permission to:
* use, copy, distribute, display, publish and modify your submission, each in connection with the service;
* publish your name in connection with your submission; and
* grant these permissions to other persons.So they can sell or re-distribute your work, and give others permission to do the same...
And then there is this section...
9. Privacy. We consider your use of the service to be private. However, we may access or disclose information about you, your account and/or the content of your communications, in order to: (1) comply with the law or legal process served on us; (2) enforce and investigate potential violations of this contract; including use of this service to participate in, or facilitate, activities that violate the law; or (3) protect the rights, property, or safety of Microsoft, its employees, its customers or the public. You consent to the access and disclosures outlined in this section.We may use technology or other means to protect the service, protect our customers, or stop you from breaching this contract. These means may include, for example, filtering to stop spam or increase security. These means may hinder or break your use of the service.
In order to provide you the service, we may collect certain information about service performance, your machine and your service use. We may automatically upload this information from your machine. This data will not personally identify you. You may read about this information collection in more detail in the privacy policy at http://privacy.microsoft.com./
Which we have learned from previous cases (in court) and previous anti-trust actions, truly means that MS WILL collect personally identifiable information, under the clause of better serving you/better maintaining their service (which is vaguely covered in the related link they provided - and stretched in reality/practice to include such actions).
And then this section:
19. Assignment. We may assign this contract, in whole or in part, at any time with or without notice to you. You may not assign this contract, or any part of it, to any other person. Any attempt by you to do so is void. You may not transfer to anyone else, either temporarily or permanently, any rights to use the service or any part of the service.Which allows them the rights to permanently or temporarily re-assign their rights to others - which translates into "we can give anyone whatever we want that you upload, and the rights to see all the data we collect on you - as defined in the parts of the agreement where you gave us those rights - but you cannot do the same."
Just some of the relevant ones I gleaned...
Ah well... it's to be expected... and a far cry from Google's attitude of keeping your private data private. Though they (MS) have re-worded the "We can give away or sell or re-license your content" section to be more ambiguous, it is still there... along with the "we'll gather whatever information we want on the basis of improving the service" section.
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This is News How?While this may not seem like a big deal, the implications are interesting. It's not a big deal. Everything made in America falls under these laws. Whether it be the corn we grow or the software written (in any part) or served within the United States. Even Windows (bullet 7) falls under these restrictions.
Yet, not too surprisingly, Windows has found its way into Cuba and I'm certain the OLPC will also be found there in mass quantities if it is indeed useful/popular. Physical devices may be harder to find there than software but you'll find them there.
This isn't news. The U.S. trade embargos have been in place on Cuba, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Sudan and Syria for a while now. Furthermore, if the laptops are made and assembled outside the U.S.
So let's get creative here, you make and manufacture the hardware outside the United States. Then you ship them to restricted countries (I think the parts are going to come from China anyway). You leave it up to people inside Cuba or where ever to install the OLPC image. Who has violated the TOS? The citizens of the country who really don't give a damn what U.S. export laws they're breaking.
And if these laws are broken, who's going to enforce them? Redhat/Fedora? The U.S. government is going to show up and stop laptops from going to children? The U.S. government is going to shutdown a free open source software hosting site? I highly doubt it. -
Re:Maybe the author has a minimum article length?
Game downloading existed as far back as the Megadrive/Genesis.
Ok, that covers Xbox Live Arcade, which is about a third of Xbox Live.
Either way, the difference between what Nintendo is doing and what Sony and Microsoft are doing is that Nintendo encourages indies, provides a cheap dev kit, and will do QC for them. Not sure what Microsoft is doing, exactly, but Sony doesn't seem to go as far.
Microsoft:
1) Encourages indies. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/xna/aa937785.aspx
2) Provides a *free* dev kit. (Requires only a standard Windows PC, which virtually everybody already has.) http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/xna/aa937795.aspx (Note: compiling to Xbox 360 does cost, but it's token cost; I believe it's $100 a year. You can do all the programming you need on the Windows PC.)
3) And will do QA for them. (If your game is chosen to be published.)
Nintendo just announced that they'll start to offer the same thing Microsoft has had for almost a full year now. It's seriously not news.
I know you probably hate Microsoft with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, but seriously, do at least a teeny bit of research before writing a post like this so I don't have to waste my time correcting it, k?
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Re:Maybe the author has a minimum article length?
Game downloading existed as far back as the Megadrive/Genesis.
Ok, that covers Xbox Live Arcade, which is about a third of Xbox Live.
Either way, the difference between what Nintendo is doing and what Sony and Microsoft are doing is that Nintendo encourages indies, provides a cheap dev kit, and will do QC for them. Not sure what Microsoft is doing, exactly, but Sony doesn't seem to go as far.
Microsoft:
1) Encourages indies. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/xna/aa937785.aspx
2) Provides a *free* dev kit. (Requires only a standard Windows PC, which virtually everybody already has.) http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/xna/aa937795.aspx (Note: compiling to Xbox 360 does cost, but it's token cost; I believe it's $100 a year. You can do all the programming you need on the Windows PC.)
3) And will do QA for them. (If your game is chosen to be published.)
Nintendo just announced that they'll start to offer the same thing Microsoft has had for almost a full year now. It's seriously not news.
I know you probably hate Microsoft with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, but seriously, do at least a teeny bit of research before writing a post like this so I don't have to waste my time correcting it, k?
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Re:Beagle
for windows there is also the Microsoft solution called "Windows Desktop Search" you can download it here http://www.microsoft.com/windows/desktopsearch/de
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Re:From the perspective of someone on the outside.Slashdotters are willfully ignorant of Microsoft's research, products, and the relation between the two.
http://scobleizer.com/2007/03/20/one-thing-microso ft-does-way-better-than-google-research/#comment-3 00364Dude, thanks for spending the time at Techfest and for spending far more time editing the videos together. I know this was a huge amount of time and I really appreciate it.
It always pisses me off when people say that Microsoft hasn't commercialized its research. We've worked closely with our product gorups to transfer a ton of stuff over. What we haven't done is get in people's faces about it.
In Vista: the 3-D interface, the Sidebar, Superfetch, speech recognition. The network map autodetection. Ink parsing. IPv6 support. The IE7 phishing detector. The new HP photo format. MSR made significant contributions to all of these. In Office 2007, we helped with the new Ribbon UI, made improvmenets to search relevance in Sharepoint, improved chart labeling in Excel, and improved the spell checker. For the XBox we contributed graphics library for photorealistic functions, TrueSkill, geolocation for XBox live, the AI for Forza. Data mining algorithms in SQL Server came from MSR. We contributed to the spam filters in Hotmail, Exchange and Outlook. Several of the tools in Visual Studio Team Server came from MSR, as did the static driver verifier in the Vista DDK. There's MSR technology everywhere.
There are dozens and dozens of other examples. The Tablet PC came out of MSR. The first-generation Windows Media audio codec came out of MSR too. Our interactive TV work started in MSR.
So fine, if you want to beat us up for not blowing our own horn, I'll take that hit. But to say that we don't commercialize our research is just wrong.
Comment by Kevin Schofield -- March 20, 2007 @ 10:29 pmYup, forgot that XBox Live was using F#. Thanks for the catch.
I also forgot the news of this week -- the announcement of "Response Point" which was incubated in MSR. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/mar0 7/03-19MSResponsePointPR.mspx
As to Alex's question: there are several that we can identify now. Keeping in mind that most truly "groundbreaking" technologies take 10+ years before they're recognized as such, I'm sure that there are more that we haven't identified as such yet.
But some examples:
- the foundations of image based rendering, by Hughes Hoppe
- hardware support for graphics processing (aka "Talisman") by Jim Kajiya, Turner Whitted et al
- ClearType (read the papers and the patent application before you judge; there's much more to this than is generally admitted) by John Platt
- source code analysis, modeling and verification, by Jim Larus, Sriram Rajamani, and several others
- public area wireless networks by Victor Bahl
- support vector machines for spam filtering, by John Platt and David Heckerman
- applying spam filtering algorithms to designing an HIV vaccine, by Heckerman and Jojic
- functional programming language work by Luca Cardelli and Simon Peyton-Jones
- performance optimizing a program by re-arranging its code and data segments based upon empirical observation, but Amitabh Srivastava et al.
- 3-D information visualization papers by George Robertson
- Mary Czerwinski's papers on understanding differences in spatial abilities between men and women
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Re:From the perspective of someone on the outside.Slashdotters are willfully ignorant of Microsoft's research, products, and the relation between the two.
http://scobleizer.com/2007/03/20/one-thing-microso ft-does-way-better-than-google-research/#comment-3 00364Dude, thanks for spending the time at Techfest and for spending far more time editing the videos together. I know this was a huge amount of time and I really appreciate it.
It always pisses me off when people say that Microsoft hasn't commercialized its research. We've worked closely with our product gorups to transfer a ton of stuff over. What we haven't done is get in people's faces about it.
In Vista: the 3-D interface, the Sidebar, Superfetch, speech recognition. The network map autodetection. Ink parsing. IPv6 support. The IE7 phishing detector. The new HP photo format. MSR made significant contributions to all of these. In Office 2007, we helped with the new Ribbon UI, made improvmenets to search relevance in Sharepoint, improved chart labeling in Excel, and improved the spell checker. For the XBox we contributed graphics library for photorealistic functions, TrueSkill, geolocation for XBox live, the AI for Forza. Data mining algorithms in SQL Server came from MSR. We contributed to the spam filters in Hotmail, Exchange and Outlook. Several of the tools in Visual Studio Team Server came from MSR, as did the static driver verifier in the Vista DDK. There's MSR technology everywhere.
There are dozens and dozens of other examples. The Tablet PC came out of MSR. The first-generation Windows Media audio codec came out of MSR too. Our interactive TV work started in MSR.
So fine, if you want to beat us up for not blowing our own horn, I'll take that hit. But to say that we don't commercialize our research is just wrong.
Comment by Kevin Schofield -- March 20, 2007 @ 10:29 pmYup, forgot that XBox Live was using F#. Thanks for the catch.
I also forgot the news of this week -- the announcement of "Response Point" which was incubated in MSR. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/mar0 7/03-19MSResponsePointPR.mspx
As to Alex's question: there are several that we can identify now. Keeping in mind that most truly "groundbreaking" technologies take 10+ years before they're recognized as such, I'm sure that there are more that we haven't identified as such yet.
But some examples:
- the foundations of image based rendering, by Hughes Hoppe
- hardware support for graphics processing (aka "Talisman") by Jim Kajiya, Turner Whitted et al
- ClearType (read the papers and the patent application before you judge; there's much more to this than is generally admitted) by John Platt
- source code analysis, modeling and verification, by Jim Larus, Sriram Rajamani, and several others
- public area wireless networks by Victor Bahl
- support vector machines for spam filtering, by John Platt and David Heckerman
- applying spam filtering algorithms to designing an HIV vaccine, by Heckerman and Jojic
- functional programming language work by Luca Cardelli and Simon Peyton-Jones
- performance optimizing a program by re-arranging its code and data segments based upon empirical observation, but Amitabh Srivastava et al.
- 3-D information visualization papers by George Robertson
- Mary Czerwinski's papers on understanding differences in spatial abilities between men and women
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Re:Easy Way To Counteract That
In addition, to better characterize the type of people Microsoft prefers to do business with it might make sense to link the phrase "Dumb-Fuck Ready to the target site. At least to me that characterizes the people who haven't at least started seriously considering alternative to a continued relationship with the company.
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Re:People-ready business
To me, 'People-ready business' represents a new low in catch-phrase marketing.
It's actually worse: did you know the full slogan is Dynamic IT for the People-Ready Business ? I agree with Computerworld, you can't use that phrase and not sound like an idiot - well, unless you are mocking it I guess.
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another study by microsoft, for microsoft
[1] "By Jeffrey R. Jones Director, Microsoft Security Business and Technology Unit"
[2] "Jeffrey R. Jones, a self-described "security guy" who works at Microsoft's security division"
[3] "an overview of Microsoft's progress in improving security by Jeffrey R. Jones, Senior Director - Microsoft Security Business Unit."
[1] - http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-1035_11- 5173565.html
[2] - http://www.boxxet.com/Windows_Vista/Windows_Vista_ News_Researcher_Says_Vista_The_Most_Secure_OS.6304 6006.details
[3] - http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/secnews/ articles/itproviewpoint031004.mspx -
Re:CSS gives me a headache
Of course, you don't need a separate Windows licence to test Windows/IE6. MS makes a VM available:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?Fa milyId=21EABB90-958F-4B64-B5F1-73D0A413C8EF&displa ylang=en
Okay, it's a VPC image, but even if you're not able to run VPC then you can convert it to a VMWare image... -
Handheld COMPUTER?
A computer, by common definition since 1980s means something you can install programs, there is some payware or free SDK open to development .
I am speaking about these:
http://www.symbian.com/developer/index.html
http://trolltech.no/developer
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/embedded/default. aspx
http://www.java.net/
You know, Symbian, Linux, WinCE handheld devices are "handheld computers". Lets say, the mail client doesn't fit your needs? Go to sourceforge or handango and get a better client for your needs and install. You need a specific function such as GPS? You buy add on device, install its software and you got it.
A $60 J2ME (Java) supporting regular phone is more close to computer than iPhone is.
I may have lost my little remaining trust/respect to Apple centric media after iPhone. That is a big deal since I use Macs whenever possible. I won't be checking Apple hating gray beard sites either. We don't deserve this kind of media... -
Re:Kids better of where they are
Right, sort of like the monkey boy, who gets hypered easily in public conferences and meetings. Oh, and let's not forget him vowed to kill one another, and threw a chair across the room.
Well, if Steve Ballmer's children and wife gone missing one day, I bet the public may not apply the same prejudice to his case. -
Re:Update.
Mod parent up, Informative! The report doesn't account for vulnerabilities in IE 7, Windows Mail, and is ignoring several other vulnerabilities, such as one in Vista that could allow information disclosure.
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Direct Link
Here is a direct link for the Windows XP version for all people who detest WGA:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/3/5/e/35ecc f22-f333-4469-8209-fafc2d084e8f/WindowsXP-KB936357 -x86-ENU.exe -
Re:Time to rethink OS's
Seconded. Also FileMon or its replacement Process Monitor will tell you what's accessing your hard drive.
Nice to see Microsoft still support the BSOD screensaver although they don't let you have the password recovery utilities any more. -
Re:Time to rethink OS's
Seconded. Also FileMon or its replacement Process Monitor will tell you what's accessing your hard drive.
Nice to see Microsoft still support the BSOD screensaver although they don't let you have the password recovery utilities any more. -
Re:Time to rethink OS's
Seconded. Also FileMon or its replacement Process Monitor will tell you what's accessing your hard drive.
Nice to see Microsoft still support the BSOD screensaver although they don't let you have the password recovery utilities any more. -
Re:Time to rethink OS's
While it is true that there is no real way to "X-ray the pipes" here are the tools the Microsoft Technet guys use and I've found can be very good at hunting down the bugs.http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternal
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Re:Time to rethink OS'sGet SysInternal's Process Explorer. It's got a Find action that will tell you which process has a file open.
It also has an option to replace TaskManager, which is very handy...
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Re:Afraid?
They actually already do this for compatibility testing. They release Virtual PC VHD's that let you run their os in a virtualized state. And from my knowledge it works on OS x or at least Virtual Pc 2007 does.
VHD images http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/aa700831. aspx For New VS
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/04/17/ie7-vi rtual-pc-image-and-ie6-virtual-pc-image-refresh.as px
for XP sp2.
Of course they do expire but new ones are posted when they do.
I run them under VPC 2007 on 64 bit vista and they do just fine. I just wish I could figure out the usb pass through for my usb phone and my ipod. Other then that with additions its a free version of xp to beat on :) and use to test. -
Re:Protocols?
WinCE will run on X86. Here's some info.
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Re:Wonderful
You may be right about the release dates, but I have not seen any Silverlight alphas or betas about on the web. I also haven't seen anyone except MS getting excited about it.
Did you even attempt to look? http://silverlight.net/ Download the beta (or Alpha, they still have that) http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/silverlight/defau lt.aspx
Many MS developers are very excited. We can now target, cross browser and cross platform the web with a very rich UI framework. Yes, that may have been done, but the really exciting part is that its built off of WPF, so we can target the web with the same technology that we are going to use to target the Windows desktop. No need to learn everything over again, and we can use code that is already in place as is.
If Silverlight was going to be big, it would be out and about in beta form and used by many websites by now.
Its out in beta now, and there are some big names working with it. Would you release a production site built on beta technology though? I wouldn't.
I'm absolutely sure Silverlight it nothing to worry about. Just let it pass and die out. Or just let MS flog it like at a dead horse.
I advise not to get involved with developing it. If you do, MS will only release a newer and updated version for you to "hack". Such a waste of time!
Keep living in your bubble then, we won't miss you. I build on the MS platform anyway, so I'm not worried about a third party trying to keep up. Perhaps this part of your post is why it was modded a troll. There's not a lot of thought put into it, its more mindless Linux fanboyism. -
Re:Which part of the consent decree?
That being the case, did Microsoft ever release the Instant Search option as a separate download from any Windows OS? I can't think of any time they ever did that to my recollection. In fact, as someone else pointed out, searching is not only integral to the file systems of an OS, but it's been included in Windows from quite a ways back (if not as efficiently as it currently is implemented in Vista.)
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Re:Useless
Just keep at it - RSI tends to not be noticeable while you are slowly being damaged. Then one day it kicks in. No really, you won't see it coming.
For your own sake, please consider at least sitting in a fairly ergonomic position. Both Apple and Microsoft have extensive sites on the subject:
http://www.apple.com/about/ergonomics/
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/hcg/hcg_view.msp x -
Re:Protocols?
"You're confusing Windows CE with desktop Windows. Windows CE is a whole different beast;"
No I believe that you are confusing Embedded Windows with Windows CE.
I am pretty sure that the ATMs are using Embedded Windows which is a stripped down version of XP or 2000.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/default. mspx is a link to all of them.
WinCE mainly lives on the ARM. I know Microsoft had an X86 version they called CE but I am not sure if it was really CE or Embedded Windows. Since the older ATMs used OS/2 I would bet on the new ones running Embedded Windows over CE.
"ATMs running CE don't run Word, or have weird hardware, or have Windows UIs. So would you like to try constructing another straw man or two?"
I guess you didn't understand my post.
I was pointing out that Windows strengths, large selection of software, large base of supported hardware, and a familiar UI are not an advantage for an ATM!
An ATM doesn't use Windows GUI, let people install strange new hardware, or run off the self software. So Windows isn't a big advantage.
BTW Win's CE uptime is worse than a properly maintained Windows 2003 Server or even a Win2K server. I hear the latest version of Win CE now called Windows Mobile is better but I have not played with it. -
Re:Not good enough!
Alrighty. If it is a virtual machine, where can we find documentation about:
1) the OPCODES of this vm
2) the standard libraries and interbrowser API
3) The format of silverlight compiled scripts
The opcodes of the machine are documented on the standard ECMA 335.
The standard libaries and browser APIs are available from http://msdn2.microsoft.com/ a lot of the documentation is still under development for Silverlight 1.1 (1.0 is much more complete) so for a few things that are new in 1.1, you have to guess what they are, or look it up in the WPF docs (which is where stuff ultimately came from).
The format of the Silverlight compiled scripts is documented in ECMA 335 as well. -
Re:That's great!
Wouldn't it have been nice if the submitter or author would've included a link to silverlight in the damned post in the first place?!?
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Embrace and Extinguish
A list of stagnant "cross-platform" Microsoft products:
Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac
Internet Explorer for Mac
Windows Media Player for Mac
Internet Explorer for Unix
Remote Desktop for Mac
Virtual PC for Mac
Outlook Express for Mac
Though, for the first time, this is Open Source. So it may have a fighting chance, until perhaps Microsoft starts developing closed API's for the Windows version of Silverlight that are incompatible with other plugins such as "Moonlight". -
Embrace and Extinguish
A list of stagnant "cross-platform" Microsoft products:
Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac
Internet Explorer for Mac
Windows Media Player for Mac
Internet Explorer for Unix
Remote Desktop for Mac
Virtual PC for Mac
Outlook Express for Mac
Though, for the first time, this is Open Source. So it may have a fighting chance, until perhaps Microsoft starts developing closed API's for the Windows version of Silverlight that are incompatible with other plugins such as "Moonlight". -
Embrace and Extinguish
A list of stagnant "cross-platform" Microsoft products:
Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac
Internet Explorer for Mac
Windows Media Player for Mac
Internet Explorer for Unix
Remote Desktop for Mac
Virtual PC for Mac
Outlook Express for Mac
Though, for the first time, this is Open Source. So it may have a fighting chance, until perhaps Microsoft starts developing closed API's for the Windows version of Silverlight that are incompatible with other plugins such as "Moonlight". -
Embrace and Extinguish
A list of stagnant "cross-platform" Microsoft products:
Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac
Internet Explorer for Mac
Windows Media Player for Mac
Internet Explorer for Unix
Remote Desktop for Mac
Virtual PC for Mac
Outlook Express for Mac
Though, for the first time, this is Open Source. So it may have a fighting chance, until perhaps Microsoft starts developing closed API's for the Windows version of Silverlight that are incompatible with other plugins such as "Moonlight". -
Embrace and Extinguish
A list of stagnant "cross-platform" Microsoft products:
Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac
Internet Explorer for Mac
Windows Media Player for Mac
Internet Explorer for Unix
Remote Desktop for Mac
Virtual PC for Mac
Outlook Express for Mac
Though, for the first time, this is Open Source. So it may have a fighting chance, until perhaps Microsoft starts developing closed API's for the Windows version of Silverlight that are incompatible with other plugins such as "Moonlight". -
Embrace and Extinguish
A list of stagnant "cross-platform" Microsoft products:
Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac
Internet Explorer for Mac
Windows Media Player for Mac
Internet Explorer for Unix
Remote Desktop for Mac
Virtual PC for Mac
Outlook Express for Mac
Though, for the first time, this is Open Source. So it may have a fighting chance, until perhaps Microsoft starts developing closed API's for the Windows version of Silverlight that are incompatible with other plugins such as "Moonlight". -
Re:Protocols?I just don't see any benifit to using Windows or CE for an ATM. Maybe they use Visual Basic to write the code for them... Shuddderr......
Microsoft has a very significant presence in the market for embedded systems. There are customized version of Visual Studio. You are not limited to Visual Basic. WindowsEmbedded
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What is Silverlight?
What the heck is Silverlight?
Okay, Silverlight is a Microsoft product, and is some kind of plug-in related to "media experiences and rich interactive applications for the web", according to the above page. Not finding that especially enlightening, I clicked on the FAQ, where the first question is "What is Silverlight?". Great! Unfortunately it yielded a "We're sorry, the page you requested could not be found" error. Maybe I need Javascript turned on or something? Ah. There we go. [Shrug] Huh? Same terse verbiage-filled useless description as before. Thanks for nothing. Other information on the FAQ page imply streaming of content using "Windows Streaming is another major goal of the product, complete with fancy DRM [weak Golf clapping].
So, I'm still not 100% sure, but I think it's trying to emulate the typical user experience with Flash, including the ungraceful handling of missing/disabled browser features :-)
Oh. I did find out that the Microsoft definition of "cross-platform" is Windows (versions unspecified) and Mac OS X 10.4.8+ (Intel and PPC), but they say they are considering wider support.
Favorite buzzword phrase: "free cloud-based hosting and streaming solution".
Cloud-based? I haven't heard that one before. -
What is Silverlight?
What the heck is Silverlight?
Okay, Silverlight is a Microsoft product, and is some kind of plug-in related to "media experiences and rich interactive applications for the web", according to the above page. Not finding that especially enlightening, I clicked on the FAQ, where the first question is "What is Silverlight?". Great! Unfortunately it yielded a "We're sorry, the page you requested could not be found" error. Maybe I need Javascript turned on or something? Ah. There we go. [Shrug] Huh? Same terse verbiage-filled useless description as before. Thanks for nothing. Other information on the FAQ page imply streaming of content using "Windows Streaming is another major goal of the product, complete with fancy DRM [weak Golf clapping].
So, I'm still not 100% sure, but I think it's trying to emulate the typical user experience with Flash, including the ungraceful handling of missing/disabled browser features :-)
Oh. I did find out that the Microsoft definition of "cross-platform" is Windows (versions unspecified) and Mac OS X 10.4.8+ (Intel and PPC), but they say they are considering wider support.
Favorite buzzword phrase: "free cloud-based hosting and streaming solution".
Cloud-based? I haven't heard that one before. -
What is Silverlight?
What the heck is Silverlight?
Okay, Silverlight is a Microsoft product, and is some kind of plug-in related to "media experiences and rich interactive applications for the web", according to the above page. Not finding that especially enlightening, I clicked on the FAQ, where the first question is "What is Silverlight?". Great! Unfortunately it yielded a "We're sorry, the page you requested could not be found" error. Maybe I need Javascript turned on or something? Ah. There we go. [Shrug] Huh? Same terse verbiage-filled useless description as before. Thanks for nothing. Other information on the FAQ page imply streaming of content using "Windows Streaming is another major goal of the product, complete with fancy DRM [weak Golf clapping].
So, I'm still not 100% sure, but I think it's trying to emulate the typical user experience with Flash, including the ungraceful handling of missing/disabled browser features :-)
Oh. I did find out that the Microsoft definition of "cross-platform" is Windows (versions unspecified) and Mac OS X 10.4.8+ (Intel and PPC), but they say they are considering wider support.
Favorite buzzword phrase: "free cloud-based hosting and streaming solution".
Cloud-based? I haven't heard that one before.