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Did u notice the PcMag.com logo ? What is the reason ?

* http://www.mozilla.com/images/home/monitor-screen. png

you know, it's very sad that after all these years of variouspatches and fixes being availible for people's computers, people still use inferior software more inherently prone to flaw.

Not true! Windows has this excelent mail reader that seems to just lack a calendar...

Download patch here.

was mozilla thunderbird completely overlooked in this FUD-filled article?

I second the webmail thing. Before I quit my last windows-dominated job (to try my hand at this full-time), it was common for me to use the IE-based Outlook Web Access client since Outlook itself was often buggier.

Open-source Mozilla Firefox 1.5 is out, and it's decidedly less buggy than IE.

Hmmmph.... news? Thunderbird does RSS just fine, and displays the blog page to boot.

Well, it's 9:00 or so CST, which means 10 EST, and it's available on the official site now. http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/. Enjoy.

When you say the official Firefox website, surely you mean http://www.mozilla.com/firefox. Er, as of, um, about two hours ago it seems ... why have they changed to .com?

And now that there's a huge banner about it on the front page (http://www.mozilla.com/), I'd say it's fully official.

Better accessibility including support for DHTML accessibility and assistive technologies such as the Window-Eyes 5.5 beta screen reader for Microsoft Windows. Screen readers read aloud all available information in applications and documents or show the information on a Braille display, enabling blind and visually impaired users to use equivalent software functionality as their sighted peers. From the release notes. This reminds me of a slashdot article not 2 weeks ago lamenting the lack of accessibility features in open-source programs. It's nice to see Mozilla addressing this issue - perhaps other open source programmers will follow suit.

on inspection of the http://www.mozilla.org/ website, it looks pretty official at this point, even so far as they've moved Firefox and Thunderbird from mozilla.org to http://www.mozilla.com/.

Win32 link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=win&lang=en-US
Linux link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=linux&lang=en-US
OSX Link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=osx&lang=en-US

come on kids, get 'em while they're hot!

on inspection of the http://www.mozilla.org/ website, it looks pretty official at this point, even so far as they've moved Firefox and Thunderbird from mozilla.org to http://www.mozilla.com/.

Win32 link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=win&lang=en-US
Linux link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=linux&lang=en-US
OSX Link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=osx&lang=en-US

come on kids, get 'em while they're hot!

on inspection of the http://www.mozilla.org/ website, it looks pretty official at this point, even so far as they've moved Firefox and Thunderbird from mozilla.org to http://www.mozilla.com/.

Win32 link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=win&lang=en-US
Linux link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=linux&lang=en-US
OSX Link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=osx&lang=en-US

come on kids, get 'em while they're hot!

on inspection of the http://www.mozilla.org/ website, it looks pretty official at this point, even so far as they've moved Firefox and Thunderbird from mozilla.org to http://www.mozilla.com/.

Win32 link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=win&lang=en-US
Linux link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=linux&lang=en-US
OSX Link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-1.5&os=osx&lang=en-US

come on kids, get 'em while they're hot!

Yes folks, it's official now on the Firefox website

Go get it and get counted! :)

As an aside, the site seems to be holding up pretty well so far - the downloads are really fast.

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

Officially Official!

http://www.mozilla.com/

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

Just because ftp.mozilla.org is a roundrobin with several servers doesn't mean it should be able to handle the load. It has roughly 1Gb of capacity, so it can handle about that much load and no more. releases.mozilla.org has 7-9Gb of capacity, so it can handle much more load. And our redirector has 15-19Gb of capacity, so it can handle the most load of all.

Firefox 1.5 has now been officially released, so the best thing to do is go to http://www.mozilla.com/ and download it from there. That'll use the redirector, so you have the best chance of getting it fast without overloading the download servers.

If you had gone to www.mozilla.org, you will see that they are promoting www.mozilla.com, which has the 1.5 download.

-- Mozilla is not a corporate product. It is a community project and as such it is
-- not in competition with anything other than itself. Regardless of whether or
-- not "the corporate world" makes use of it, mozilla development will continue for
-- as long as the community is interested and at the rate the community contributes.

-- Mozilla developers are not corporate employees. They are volunteers and as such
-- they do not contribute to mozilla for the sake of making money. Regardless of
-- "where the money is," mozilla developers will continue to contribute for as long
-- as they are interested and at whatever rate they desire.

It is hard to guess what they may do with the Mozilla Foundation. What about the Mozilla Corporation? It is taxable.

Yes there still is a Mozilla.

They're not using it as a product name anymore, but they're still using the name.

There's also the for-profit Mozilla Corporation.

I work for a company that produces Mozilla Bugs. How much does it cost to advertise here?

Get it at here

I use BugMeNot via the FireFox plug-in to save registering myself.

Well take a look here and see the blog of a windows developer. He really does get upset when people say that MS doesn't care about security.
I am sure you are all aware that windows is a fairly large OS that is designed to be easy to use for novices but allow Power Users to do their thing as well. I think it accomplishes that fairly well. They provide automatic updates to every computer now (if you are not too lazy to turn it on). I realize that this option is turned off by default but this is more because of the people (*cough* slashdotters *cough*) that say that MS will somehow steal all their secrets if you let them install updates automatically. I think MS does a good job updating system.


Also, if I see one more reply to an IE article with the line "Download the patch here" rated as "Funny", I will kill myself.

Mac OS X is another story. I've been using it exclusively now for a few weeks while I'm waiting for the new version of Yellow Dog Linux to come out, and after all the hype, I am somewhat underwhelmed. Even when you consider that part of the "Steve's Way" philosophy is not to confuse the user with options, lots of things are missing. Mail doesn't have TLS (I use Thunderbird), and once you get tired of the cute effects, you find you can't turn most of them off (windows won't just close, they always have to have an "effect"). Mac OS X is cute and flashy, but when you want to settle down for serious work, I'm afraid KDE does it better.

And this is where I think Apple has lots of untapped market potential. There is a enormous frustration among Linux users about the lack of a good portable platform for the penguin -- I for one will never buy another Toshiba, for example -- and Apple can deliver. Just a little help here and there, and they could probably get establish their iBooks / Powerbooks as the portable platform of choice for the increasing number of Linux users.

And then because of the coming of World Domination (c), they would never have to worry about profits, and we would never have to read these articles again.

I, on the other hand, like MS better than Verisign.

If I don't want to use IE, I don't have to. I am not forced to use their product or to see their ads if I choose differently.

Having a poor browser does not break any other Internet applications. This does.

I haven't used it to connect to exchange.

I have tried to use it to connect to groupwise. !.2 worked liked a dream. 1.4-1.4.5 are broken though. It chokes on large downloads as seen on about 5 different distros so I would easily say it's a bug. If it wasn't so annoying I would find amusement in the fact that they were bought by Novell. Nor does it support groupwises calendering yet. Although LDAP works like a charm for addresses.

As a side note Thunderbird works just fine, albeit slow. My guess is it is a timeout problem 1/2 server 1/2 evolution.

If you're running a Windows box, then the following is mandatory. I even have it all burned to a CD to give to friends. Some free/speech, some free/beer, some shareware.

ZoneAlarm - You MUST have a software firewall for Windows.
Mozilla - I think you know this one by now
OpenOffice.org - Ibid
PuTTY - Not the best interface, but Free ssh/scp client
WinZip - I think XP has its own unzipper, but I suggest WinZip anyway for people. Mostly because I don't deal with people who use XP. I refuse to do computer support for friends who use XP. (I'm making an exception by even talking to you. )

On the Mandrake side, I like using Konqueror. Honestly, the KDE suite, OpenOffice.org, and xmms should give you everything you need for everything. :-)

Why don't your managers want to try something new? If it's price, tell them bugzilla is free, and is used by companies from Red Hat to Netscape. If it's a political issue, that's a whole 'nother story.

Also, why is there so much overhead? Entering a bug should be as simple as filling out a single HTML form. Is your UI too big and complicated? You can probably strip it down to the essentials, without discarding it entirely. Is it on more than one page? You can probably condense them into one form. Are the bugs stored in a database? You can write your own search page.

And if you said which bug software you're currently using, you could probably have gotten more specific and relevant tips on how to make the best use of it (change the configuration, prepopulate certain fields, roll your own modified templates, etc.).

What pisses me off even more than pages developed for any size at all, is those idiot's pages that decide for you that you want to see them full screen

That used to piss me off too, but then I fixed it.

mozilla IE (not just popup) killer

Any idea what version of JavaScript IE6 emulates, and Mozilla actually uses?

IE6 doesn't emulate JavaScript. It uses JScript, which is Microsoft's implimentation of the ECMA-262 Edition 3 language standard (ECMAScript). Similarly, JavaScript is Netscape's implementation of the same standard. Neither is "emulating" anything.

You can find the ECMAScript standard here: ECMA-262v3. You can discover what your favorite vendor has actually implemented by visiting either mozilla and microsoft documentation for each vendor's implementation.

As reported on The Register, which was really a repost of an article from Compuwire, AOL has announced that in its next upgrade to their AOL client for Apple's OS X, it will use Netscape by default. (And just for those who want another link, Spider-Man is cool).

Most people (well, me) assume this means that AOL is using the Macintosh crowd as a testing base, then will make the same move on the Windows side of things by changing their PC client's default from IE to Netscape. The move won't really hurt Microsoft - it will still own 80% of the browser market, and since both Netscape and Internet Explorer are free, neither company will start having shifts of money.

But this isn't so much about money, as it is about control. AOL knows that their are two reasons Microsoft pushes Internet Explorer. Control of standards, and control of eyeballs. With every Windows computer that ships, it has Internet Explorer on it. And it's home page is MSN, Microsoft's media system.

Control the Eyeballs!

Netscape, by comparison, points to Netscape.com - which contains the collective linked knowledge to all things AOL/Time Warner. Links to news articles on CNN, Cartoon Network, and all else.

It's about the eyeballs. AOL wants you to see Time/Warner stuff, Microsoft wants those eyeballs to check out MSN. Both companies have a lot to gain by keeping your attention. AOL/Time Warner wants you to know all about their movies (like the upcoming Power Puff Girls movie, or their cable channels, or their electronic entertainment partnerships, or, just as important, keeping you signed up with AOL.

MSN has its wants, with its line of cable shows, plus all of the other Microsoft goodies, like Gamezone, Hotmail, Expedia and other services - which keep you plugged into the Microsoft system, and keeps those dollars coming in.

Control the browser, control the world

Just as important as the eyeballs is the technology that drives what they see. At last year's E3 (Electronic Entertainment Expo), AOl and Sony demonstrated using AOL on the Playstation 2 system, at the same time that Sony talked about running Linux on the Playstation 2. Now, almost a year later, Sony is getting ready to start shipping their hard drive/Ethernet/modem combo unit for $150. And AOL sees a large market place - one where there are more TV's than computers, and a $200 Playstation 2 in plenty of homes.

Odds are, Microsoft isn't going to make Internet Explorer for the Playstation system (not with their own Xbox on the market) - let alone for Linux. But since AOL has been sponsoring the creation of Mozilla, the Open Source browser Netscape is based on. Mozilla has been ported to nearly every operating system in existence - Linux, Macintosh, Solaris, and, of course, Windows. And across all operating systems, it provides the same look and feel - so now it doesn't matter what operating system you're using to surf the web/check your mail/chat with your friends on - Netscape looks the same. And you can bet it will be easy enough to develop and port to the Playstation 2 as well.

The implications could drive a shift of development. Suppose you're a web developer at this second, and you want to make sure people visiting your web page see all the whiz bang stuff. Right now, you spend most of your time making sure that Internet Explorer sees the page perfectly - then concentrate on the other browsers out there. Microsoft is happy, because to make sure IE looks the best, odds are you'll use Microsoft technology, which means you're spending Microsoft money (note: not Microsoft Money - different thing).

Netscape, being built on Mozilla, is HTML 4.0 standards compliant. That means that anything written for Netscape is certain to work with every other browser out there - including Internet Explorer (as long as Microsoft codes IE to be fully HTML compliant).

So now the web developer, in a post AOL-switching-to-Netscape time, has a new choice. Program your web site for IE, then for all the others - or make your web site HTML 4.0 standards compliant, and know that all browsers will render it correct the first time. There will still be questions about plug-ins (like those who like to use Flash enabled web sites, but by changing that over to Java, which runs on as many operating systems as Mozilla, developers can code around that hurdle. HTML 4.0 standards mean that anyone's tools can be used - Open Source, proprietary, or otherwise. Which means less money to Microsoft, and more power everyone else.

Maybe the move to Netscape won't change the world overnight, or drive subscribers to AOL. But it keeps the competition between the two companies alive.

And for most of us, competition is a good thing.

As always, I'm John "Dark Paladin" Hummel. And that's my opinion.

I feel your pain. My suggestion is to switch to mozilla and turn off "Open unrequested windows" in the scripting settings. I haven't had an unrequested popup/popunder since.

Mozilla works wonders on removing unwanted popups, and it is the best tool for IE 6.x that there is.

While some types of free-as-in-beer software may go IPO and make loads and loads (and charge loads and loads), there will always remain free-as-in-speech software, software that is so dedicated to being free-as-in-beer and open source that they'll never charge you for the software.

OpenBSD is a great example of this. Mozilla, while I'm not all up on it, seems to be dedicated to open source as well. Other systems are so global that it'd be impossible to charge for the next system, like XFree86.

Regardless, we can always fork off of old versions of formerly-open source projects. Like we talked about in a discussion of removal of Junkbuster-esque features from Mozilla, we can always just pick up where they left off.

So, as long as someone (like SourceForge.net ) is keeping CVSs of all this crap. I mean, there may be some hazy legal issues with SourceForge (IANAL), but the geek community tends to disregard most of those anyway. So, to answer your question: I wouldn't worry.

Then again, I'm 15. Erg.

While I don't know too much about Full Circle, I know that it isn't going to give the kind of bug report you could contribute. Information like what you were doing at the time, what machine configuration you've got and whether the bug is reproducable is critical to debugging it.

As another respondant mentioned, many Mozilla bugs will not crash the program and trigger the Talkback.

So browse the bugzilla website. Learn how to use Bugzilla. Snag a nightly build and bang on it.

I finally did. I'd been going for months with Mozilla crashing one of my computers. Well, with the problem not getting any better I started digging through Bugzilla, found others reporting the same bug and someone had a possible solution. I tried something similar (having to do with Java Runtime Environment) and it works now. So, while there is still some kind of bug, we've got two of us reporting into Bugzilla a solution. That gives the hardcore developers some clues, something to follow.