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I checked out Ernie Balls website uptime here and I see they're reaping *way* better reliability on their website if nothing else!
Figures for KG Group are comparable - I'd be willing to guess that Ernie Ball's internal server uptimes are in the one year plus zone too - that's certainly what our clients have found.
Companies moving to an OSS back-end don't go back ;)

Current uptime 253 days, apparently they dropped SCO on the web server 3 years ago.
From Netcraft

OSS | Server | Last changed
Linux | Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6h | 28-Jan-2003
Linux | Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) PHP/4.2.2 mod_ssl/2.8.10 OpenSSL/0.9.6g | 2-Dec-2002
SCO UNIX | Stronghold/2.4.2 Apache/1.3.6 C2NetEU/2412 (Unix) | 6-Nov-2000

the creater/hoster of goatse. Looks like it runs linux

Bullshit. The only moved to Apple hardware recently with the acquisition of the Xserve. Otherwise Netcraft has them running FreeBSD as late as last December (link above), and they note that they only switched to the Xserve sometime since July 1.

Even though they updated it, they're still running an older version of Slashcode, so maybe it's not as relevant to this story since it's not the latest and greatest. I don't know the details of the porting issues to know if this is a factor at all... But unlike you, I checked my facts and admit when I don't know the truth!

Russell

www.sco.com is running Apache, OpenSSL, PHP, and Linux...

(so does www.canopy.com)...

But who is really behind this:

Oh, look at the hosting company: nft.com

That also hosts canopy.com, next to the sco.coma and caldera.com domains.

But guess what nft.com stands for... Noorda Family Trust. Ray Noorda that is. Research his history and you'll see that he is the type of person to hold a resentment (click 'Post Anonymously'. oof this guy is way too powerful for me). Here is his bio... "Even in the early days" he kept busy with things like "combat IBM". Just a quote from his BIO...

Then here it comes from that same page "Many analysts claim Noorda overreached when he bought DR-DOS, WordPerfect Corp. and Unix in a series of costly acquisitions in the early 1990s.".

Ah... and that Unix purchase is still bothering him till this day eh?

"Noorda was pressured to retire by Novell's board after he revealed some short-term memory problems in 1993."

Yeah, like details about where Linux comes from...

"In fact, the 73-year-old still reports to work each day as head of the Noorda Family Trust"

Noorda Family trust, which owns the Canopy Group, which owns SCO.

And Darl McBride worked at Novell from 1988-1996 , and I wouldn't be surprised if he and Ray were buddies.

Nuf said.

www.sco.com is running Apache, OpenSSL, PHP, and Linux...

(so does www.canopy.com)...

But who is really behind this:

Oh, look at the hosting company: nft.com

That also hosts canopy.com, next to the sco.coma and caldera.com domains.

But guess what nft.com stands for... Noorda Family Trust. Ray Noorda that is. Research his history and you'll see that he is the type of person to hold a resentment (click 'Post Anonymously'. oof this guy is way too powerful for me). Here is his bio... "Even in the early days" he kept busy with things like "combat IBM". Just a quote from his BIO...

Then here it comes from that same page "Many analysts claim Noorda overreached when he bought DR-DOS, WordPerfect Corp. and Unix in a series of costly acquisitions in the early 1990s.".

Ah... and that Unix purchase is still bothering him till this day eh?

"Noorda was pressured to retire by Novell's board after he revealed some short-term memory problems in 1993."

Yeah, like details about where Linux comes from...

"In fact, the 73-year-old still reports to work each day as head of the Noorda Family Trust"

Noorda Family trust, which owns the Canopy Group, which owns SCO.

And Darl McBride worked at Novell from 1988-1996 , and I wouldn't be surprised if he and Ray were buddies.

Nuf said.

sco.com is running Apache / OpenSSL / PHP on Linux.

The real cure it to get rid of insecure software like Microsoft makes.

I have seen and worked in plenty of networks in which windows based systems ran every bit as securely as their Unix counterparts. I've even seen Windows systems deployed that were far more secure than their Unix counterparts.

Companies that don't start moving toward secure platforms deserve to die.

So does that include the Cancer Research Institute who happens to be running IIS? Besides, if microsoft hasn't been moving towards securing their systems, I don't know who has.

GNU/Linux: for when it actually has to work!

I kind of wonder where you get your info, this seems to suggest that the US Army runs IIS on Windows Server 2003. I guess that's easily confused with Xserve nowadays though.

And here's the proof... http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=webvisio n.med.utah.edu

In my experience doing this kind of stuff since the dawn of time, the path of least resistance is just saying the hell with it and staying with RedHat. Start out by only upgrading the servers that absolutely need it. If you absolutely cannot or will not afford RedHat, and these are SERVERS and not WORKSTATIONS you are talking about, you might as well go with FreeBSD. It is free. The free support you can get for it is better than any Linux distro, and it's the stability king. The 50 sites with the longest uptime and Most reliable and fastest hosting companys seem to agree. It's going to be very hard to migrate from RedHat with official support to something with no official support, so you may as well pick the creme of the crop. Keep in mind you are going to have to hire someone competent to do the migration, and oversee the boxes and mentor junior admins. That's going to cost you about 350k over the next 3-4 years anyway. If you can justify keeping RedHat, that is your path of least resistance. You may also want to look into OSX, but I somehow doubt it's cheaper than RedHat. It very well may be though.

In my experience doing this kind of stuff since the dawn of time, the path of least resistance is just saying the hell with it and staying with RedHat. Start out by only upgrading the servers that absolutely need it. If you absolutely cannot or will not afford RedHat, and these are SERVERS and not WORKSTATIONS you are talking about, you might as well go with FreeBSD. It is free. The free support you can get for it is better than any Linux distro, and it's the stability king. The 50 sites with the longest uptime and Most reliable and fastest hosting companys seem to agree. It's going to be very hard to migrate from RedHat with official support to something with no official support, so you may as well pick the creme of the crop. Keep in mind you are going to have to hire someone competent to do the migration, and oversee the boxes and mentor junior admins. That's going to cost you about 350k over the next 3-4 years anyway. If you can justify keeping RedHat, that is your path of least resistance. You may also want to look into OSX, but I somehow doubt it's cheaper than RedHat. It very well may be though.

ad.law11.hotmail.com
ad.law14.hotmail.com

The backend is not visible from the Internet, but it is known running on a pool of Sun Enterprise Servers (E4500). Microsoft itself never stated, they migrated Hotmail "fully" to Windows - they simlpy migrated most of the most-visible front-end Webservers (which is also clear by reading their migration-papers).

:-)
ms

ad.law11.hotmail.com
ad.law14.hotmail.com

The backend is not visible from the Internet, but it is known running on a pool of Sun Enterprise Servers (E4500). Microsoft itself never stated, they migrated Hotmail "fully" to Windows - they simlpy migrated most of the most-visible front-end Webservers (which is also clear by reading their migration-papers).

:-)
ms

Microsoft.com also pointed to a linux machine

jejeje ... reminds me of the whole hotmail DNS thing a few years back (my favorite slashdot story ever):

Merry christmas Microsoft, from the Linux comunity to you ...

but Microsoft was seen on Linux today also http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.micr osoft.com.

Quoth Billy G: "Linux sucks, it's worthless, not usable for real . . . What? A worm? Aaaiiiieee! Tux Save Me!!!"

---
Jedimom.com, that not-so-fresh feeling.

Which site listing are you looking at? That link brings up 893 matches. The stats for www.hotmail.com show it running Windows 2000 and IIS 5.0 .

(Some of the other matches look like either jokes or traps to try and harvest passwords from the clueless, by the way).

I'm not suggesting that you're trolling, but I've no idea which of those 893 are the actual Hotmail back-end systems.

MT.

...and if you look here, you'll see that SCO are still using Linux themselves....

Although I've never used BSD (Open or Free), I did notice this page on netcraft.com the other day. Basically, the 50 web hosts with the longest uptimes are currently ALL running some form of BSD. Netcraft has some interesting things to say about BSD and its place in the market. There is also the lisence issue, but I'm sure some other slashdotters would be more than willing to fill you in on that.

Although I've never used BSD (Open or Free), I did notice this page on netcraft.com the other day. Basically, the 50 web hosts with the longest uptimes are currently ALL running some form of BSD. Netcraft has some interesting things to say about BSD and its place in the market. There is also the lisence issue, but I'm sure some other slashdotters would be more than willing to fill you in on that.

Although I've never used BSD (Open or Free), I did notice this page on netcraft.com the other day. Basically, the 50 web hosts with the longest uptimes are currently ALL running some form of BSD. Netcraft has some interesting things to say about BSD and its place in the market. There is also the lisence issue, but I'm sure some other slashdotters would be more than willing to fill you in on that.

Does this imply, Microsoft will finally switch Hotmail fully to WindowsXX, migrating the backend database from Oracle-Solaris and the rest of the webservers from Apache-FreeBSD to a MS-Win2K/MS-IIS/MS-SQL solution?

For those who don't know: Hotmail is still running on FreeBSD with Apache for Webserving and Oracle on Sun-boxen for the database. Have a look here for prove!

ms

SCO won't even run their own site on UnixWare

SCO is hosting their site on Linux... I guess they know their own OS is not good enough to handle the load.

See netcraft...

Since when is OpenBSD FreeBSD?
Correct link: Netcraft (but it says they use Solaris on their site?)

not according to netcraft

www.sco.com is running Linux.

ir.sco.com is running IIS.

www.sco.com is running Linux.

ir.sco.com is running IIS.

Look goatse.cx runs Linux more then it does IIS.

But Netcraft says www.nse-india.com is running Solaris 8...

Aparently, their website still moves at 20 kph

Quote:

At the time many analysts speculated that SCO's behaviour might deter enterprise companies from using Linux. However, this has not happened to date, at least in respect of their internet visible web sites. In the last two months Linux has made a net gain of over 100 enterprise sites; sites which have migrated to Linux including Royal Sun Alliance, Deutsche Bank, SunGard,T-online and most noteworthy, Schwab

Yeah, but is it stable?

According to netcraft, he's running Win2k / IIS5. I wonder what kind of hardware it is (was) on...

If I were thinking about buying SCO Openserver for a secure server at *my* business and went to their website, and their website had been broken into, it sure shouldn't strengthen my convictions.

Actually, that wouldn't be very much of a point against SCO Openserver, since SCO.com is STILL running linux.

Really? I always thought that Apple got it's fair share of use in the gov. The US Army has been using Macs to host it's website for years. I assumed that Apple got it's fair share of government and military use.

You fought for me?!! You manipulated me! Into where I am now - staring at the Brown & Williamson building, it's all dark except for the tenth floor. That's the legal department, that's where they fuck with my life!

You fought for me?!! You manipulated me! Into where I am now - staring at the Brown & Williamson building, it's all dark except for the tenth floor. That's the legal department, that's where they fuck with my life!

SCO.com? The one running Apache on Linux?

They'll probably sue themselves next. There's not many targets left anyway.

www.gentoo.org So why is the rest of the site still running Gentoo then?

For mission critial stuff, I still do not suggest Gentoo. As as example I point to forums.gentoo.org. Which was moved over to Debian just 2 days ago due to security and other issues mission critical issues that infest gentoo.

But for the hobby person or linux guru thinking of testing out a new disto, give gentoo a try, but i suggest doing this on a free (fast) harddisk (hopefully one where you have no critical paritions).

They might produce white papers that actual proposals for how Microsoft could improve it's product by adopting a method or feature that they learned of through studying Linux in thier shiny new lab.

Since when has the term "white paper" meant "a piece of marketing department crap".

Yes I do know that there are "peices of marketing department crap" that are disguised as "white papers" but only "consumers" and "marketing analysts" seem to be unable to tell the difference.

Stating that "they are a company" does not change that a "white paper" is accepted to be a technological or scientific project proposal, and "marketing department crap" is "marketing department crap" nomatter what it is presented as.

Free software advocates, programmers, consultants, and administrators do take Microsoft seriously. It's just that they know that Microsoft's product are often not the best tool for the job and that other alternatives may be more reliable (and that will make thier customers happy).

The highest rating for linux is Bill Gates using it (secretly at home)!

Well, check out Netcraft for BillGates.com...

OS: Linux
Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.3 PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.26 Last changed: 17-Jul-2003
IP address: 69.57.132.82
Netblock Owner: American Registry for Internet Numbers

Netcraft sais a few other fun things.
Take a look at this company. They've migrated from Linux to the latest and greatest from Microsoft.
I think the chart speaks for itself, don't You?
The switcher

When I see those figures I start to wonder, what is the great benefit of the switch? How do one motivate it?
"Yes, we've switched to something that costs more in licensing, has a bad security reputation, is rebooted daily and is a known target for hackers."

I'm guessing that isn't the sales pitch to the boss, but what could be?

.haeger

Since atleast October 6, 2002.

another example (a linux router for a day??)

a little freebsd in the mix

Since atleast October 6, 2002.

another example (a linux router for a day??)

a little freebsd in the mix

Since atleast October 6, 2002.

another example (a linux router for a day??)

a little freebsd in the mix

It's not just the focus of the website, it's the whole platform and it's bad attitude. It's Hosted on M$. You can't even look at their catalog if you are not using IE. They require you to have all sorts of M$ DRM turned on so they can grab all the information from you "primary" computer that they can. You can only download one song at a time, even though you bought the whole album. You must "verify" each song individually before you can play it, despite the fact that you bought them in a single purchase. When you have finally done all that, they require you to use a specific plugin for a specific CD burning software that does not work. When you ask them what you can do to fix the problem, they tell you it's your fault for using the wrong sofware and are ignorant of their own instructions. Total Microsoft, from start to blame shift!

I can't wait for Paladium, so that nothing else works. When that happens, music sales will really go to zero. Yes, it's going to get much worse. Legacy hardware and free software rock.

> Cross platform capable? Talent? Professionals? Let me think for a millisecond...

Oh, that's just PHB-speak. Let me translate:

Term: Cross platform capable
Translation: Supports Windows ME, 2K and XP, provided that you have a recent IE Version installed and haven't screwed up the IE settings too much (cookies, ActiveX, ...)

Term: Talent
Translation: They somehow managed to install IIS

Term: Professionals
Translation: We pay them. Not enough to make a decent living, but we pay them, so they're professionals.

Sentence: BuyServices' goal is to become the premier outsource e-commerce provider
Comment: And my goal is to have sex with five different supermodels seven days a week. Unfortunately for BuyServices, they're as likely to reach their goal as I am to reaching mine.