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I hate to say this, but that Windows isn't on the list doesn't mean quite that much. From the FAQ about uptimes there:

Operating systems that do not provide uptime information include;
<snip>
* NT3/Windows 95
* NT4/Windows 98

The only Windows for which netcraft can track uptime is Windows 2000. Now if only windows 2000 had already existed for long enough to be able to appear in the list...

Oh well... Go linux! ;) Er.. no, wait... can't say that either... Uhm, *hesitates* go BSD? *winces* ;)

From MS:

Windows XP Embedded is the most reliable version of Windows ever.

So, tell me - where's Windows on Netcraft's uptime chart? http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html

Oh, that's right - WINDOWS ISEN'T EVEN ON THE LIST

Well, let me start by saying here's mine.

That said, I don't think the current DOJ gives a rat's ass about the public's opinion on the case (duh). Republicans repeatedly criticized Clinton for using public opinion polls...I guess they think that those corporate campaign contributors are much more worthwhile to listen to (DISCLAIMER: I am not a Clinton supporter or apologist, nor do I believe for a second that Clinton wasn't beholden to corporate interests...I'm merely pointing out a hypocrisy). Those $4M USD in campaign contributions will grab the attention of the DOJ over the public interest any day.

Someone with time on his/her hands should index these comments and come up with some statistics: how many of the comments were (a) for or against the settlement, (b) how many were form letters, (c) how many were submitted by corporations vs. individuals. Not that these are terribly meaningful, but they would shed some light on the DOJ's summary comments.

By the way - notice the .htm extension on all these pages. Netcraft says they're running Netscape-Enterprise 4.0 on Solaris, but I wonder if they didn't use Front Page to create these pages...

Just take a look to the longest server uptime list from Netcraft.

Just take a look to the longest server uptime list from Netcraft.

Are YOU going to be the one that pays to buy RMS a box that can take that many hits?

Oh yeah, a P.S. just for those that moderate this kind of crap up because they think Stallman is an egomaniac, a religious nut that wants everything to run on Gnu/Linux and all that rot.

Stallman.org is running Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) on FreeBSD.

So there. Get over it.

Bunch of mod_perl trolls slashdot is!
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mo de_w=on&site=slashdot.org
The site slashdot.org is running Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) mod_perl/1.25 mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a on Linux.

In what way is this informative? The BBC site has proven itself /. and even 9/11 resistant. Are you saying that a site running these operating systems isn't up to the job? Should they switch to IIS?

PS Can anyone get karma this way?

What's the point of a rock-solid operating system if very few are actually using it (and of course, that happens because of lacking features)? For a server security is always the second issue - the first being the service provided.

(I'm definitely exagerating here, so flame me as you like)

The Raven.

netcraft shows that the site redflag-linux.com is running Black Cat Linux, which was a Russian distro based on Red Hat but now joined ASP Linux. Hell the redflag site even runs something called "rus/PL29.4" which I assume is Russian module for Apache.

Well, I can't seem to just cut and paste the results from netcraft so I'll just put the links here and let you nice folks to check it out for yourselves....
Redflag's Netcraft SSL Report.
Microsoft's Netcraft SSL Report
Couple of interesting things to note...redflags's SSL certificate already expired long ago... also, I am not very aware of exportation laws or what is availble overseas, but are the reports that "RC4 with MD5", does that mean it can do 128 bit?
Also, isn't it intersting to note that the certificate is signed by test server from "Somwhere" from "AU"? hehehe

Well, I can't seem to just cut and paste the results from netcraft so I'll just put the links here and let you nice folks to check it out for yourselves....
Redflag's Netcraft SSL Report.
Microsoft's Netcraft SSL Report
Couple of interesting things to note...redflags's SSL certificate already expired long ago... also, I am not very aware of exportation laws or what is availble overseas, but are the reports that "RC4 with MD5", does that mean it can do 128 bit?
Also, isn't it intersting to note that the certificate is signed by test server from "Somwhere" from "AU"? hehehe

If you go to NetCraft's What's that site running?, and enter www.walmart.com, you get back the following.....

The site www.walmart.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 (WindowsNT) on Linux.

Could it mean the web server is IIS, but the IP stack of some frond end router or getaway is Linux?

Exactly. See netcrafts FAQ.

It's a beginning ;-)
Walmart.com runs with IIS on Linux...

It's a beginning ;-)
Walmart.com runs with IIS on Linux...

On a hunch I decided to check to see what operating systems these sites were running.... Guess what?

The site www.actonline.org is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4/Windows 98

The site www.moraldefense.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000.

The site www.comptia.org is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000.

Just a Coincidence?

Cool. I checked on what the DOJ is running their webserver on, check it out:

www.usdoj.gov.

Netscape on Solaris. Quite nice, thank you. I'm very happy to see they're not running IIS on Win2k...

...to this day.

Planet game cube have been slashdotted, serves them right for using Windows 2000!

The thing that gets me is that NOTHING MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE. Web defacements - make no difference. ILoveYou - no effect. Melissa: nada, Nimda - plus ca change, plus ca la meme chose. Code Red? code schmed. The PHBs seem quite happy to just reformat, reinstall, count it as a cost of doing business on the net, and forget any lessons less stupid people might learn.

Don't believe me? check out the IIS curve at Netcraft . What happened after Nimda and Code Red? IIS usage INCREASED.

Mebbe I'm just bitter cos I'vre been trying to break into info-sec work for the last few years and getting nowhere cos I haven't an MCSE|CCNA|CISSP|security clearance, although I can usually spot half a dozen glaring holes in a setup within a few hours. (actually I interviewed at a "leading security firm" once & was given an automated test: I couldn't help noticing the machine I was given was logged in as NT Domain Admin. No, it wasn't a double-bluff test of my ethics!)

Er... well, yes, I AM bitter; but that doesn't change the fact that there are an awful lot of clueless gimps out there managing (techs who manage) networks and network-connected systems.
It seems to me that nothing short of a totally 100% evil malware that nukes HDs after silently & terminally corrupting backups for a few weeks will hit enough people where it counts - their wallets - to make any difference to the importance placed on info-sec in the vast majority of places.

Have you read Netcraft comments about those figures?

I recommend you this link.. Check also the "Results", down the same page.

Those figures show number of servers. But some servers can hold more than one site. Have you heard of virtual domains under Apache?

Also, Apache can (And it is) run under Windows OS.

So, in short: Those numbers lead me to think that:

1.- You can have more websites with fewer machines if you do not use Windows OS

2.- You need a lot of servers with Windows OS to host a fewer amount of websites.

3. -Your numbers are only one part of the facts, one part that you choose because it fits your need for FUD.

Just what was that 'Site Migration' Mentioned on the Security Focus page?
- Security Focus migrated TOLinux!

I wonder why?!?

...they must be running Windows, haha...

It's funny you should say that, because according to Netcraft, they are!

What with all of these informed responses, you'd think the original article by wininformant was available or something.

Apache may have more sites hosted but if you look here you will see that more servers run Windows that all other *nix combined. Apache is very popular with hosting companies.

the ONLY reason Code Red and other such worms exist is because of the popularity if the windows platform

Apache has twice the market share of Windows IIS - and has half the exploits. Take a look at the Netcraft uptimes at http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html . Notice any thing?

There is A SINGLE WINDOWS SYSTEM in the top 50. Why? Beacuase Windows crashes and beacuse Windows has security problems. The rest are all a form of *nix. Nice and stable and secure.

Maybe since they are reporting that Windows is more secure.
SecurityFocusdotcom is now switching over from Linuxto XP.

Netcraft says that www.wininformant.com, the site which holds this report, which got promptly slashdotted, runs IIS4 on NT4.
I'll refrain from making jokes about Win boxes not being up long enough to be exploited, or something like that.

Its running a dying operating system!

How about (to make things a little more exciting) if you miss the ball without hitting n (a randomly selected number ) bricks, there is a 1 in 10 chance that your bootsector gets wiped.
It would really help increase average uptimes, as admins would find new and innovative ways to avoid having to reboot.
Linux would reach the tops of the Netcraft uptime chart in no time!

Also, if you check netcraft, it will tell you who owns the netblock, the fact that the ip is owned by the US Securities & Exchange Commission is kind of a dead giveaway.

http://www.mcwhortle.com/stats/usage_200201.html (found from robots.txt) - So far we've got them up to 0.9GB, at hundreds of thousands of hits. Reload and enjoy watching the slashdot effect in real time =). Oh, and let's hear a cheer for the SEC for doing this the economical/intelligent way!

How many times have I compiled a "stable" and had it not boot?
FreeBSD: 0 Linux: lost count

How many times have I rebooted after new kernel, and corrupted all mounted filesystems?
FreeBSD: 0 Linux: 0, but I laughed like hell when it happend to you.

Even if FreeBSD did cease to exist, and develpoment stopped, I would still use it, because it is that damn good.

Oh, and considering DARPA is putting a bunch of money into furthering FreeBSD development, I don't see it going anywhere soon.

How many times have I compiled a "stable" and had it not boot?
FreeBSD: 0 Linux: lost count

How many times have I rebooted after new kernel, and corrupted all mounted filesystems?
FreeBSD: 0 Linux: 0, but I laughed like hell when it happend to you.

Even if FreeBSD did cease to exist, and develpoment stopped, I would still use it, because it is that damn good.

Oh, and considering DARPA is putting a bunch of money into furthering FreeBSD development, I don't see it going anywhere soon.

The only times I've seen it fail to keep up with demand are Sept 11th and every single Budget day (watch out on April 17th this year). That's "news.bbc.co.uk" though. Netcraft says this about the news site and this about the main site.

The only times I've seen it fail to keep up with demand are Sept 11th and every single Budget day (watch out on April 17th this year). That's "news.bbc.co.uk" though. Netcraft says this about the news site and this about the main site.

It seems there's something funny going on here:

he site www.rons.net.cn is running Zope/Zope 2.3.0 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2) ZServer/1.1b1 on FreeBSD.

"Netcraft officially confirms: *BSD is dying"
Where in the vast depths of the hellish web did you locate this official statement? I've grep'd the entire netcraft site and am half tempted to call rainbow tech and chew on someone over there since they do that site and have harrassing me to buy one of their SSL accelerators. Hmmm... now that I think of it... check that out... NetCraft runs FreeBSD as thier OS... well now since you seem to need the education...

Well it's obvious that the Little Linux hackers (or as they call themselves h4x0rs or 313373) are once again out in force bashing. Well it's apparent that they, just like a place that was looking at hiring me for my expertise in *BSD *NIX OS, don't know their history nor do they know what the #@&* an industry standard is.

BSDi was around long before Linux. The Open Source community version of BSD (Free, Open, Net) may lack in hardware but, unlike the Linux hacker ideals of, get everything to work and run to get something else in before checking for stability with what was just done isn't exactly my idea of an OS that I would consider to be alive... as a matter of fact... I'd consider that to be a case of one foot in the grave and the other one on a banana peel. Compare this to *BSD, there may not be everyone and thier great grandmother spitting out dev drivers but when drivers come out they're stable and supported by the rest of the community. BSD also has the most robust TCP/IP stack out there in the known world of OS's... Trust me... Microsoft certainly isn't even out of the miniture putt putt in this particular area.

So *BSD is dead according to this almight OS basher... that's interesting... I've converted 50+ servers to *BSD with TrustedBSD recommendations from Linux, @ work, and haven't had a sucessful breakin to date, nor have I had a kernel seg fault in so long that I'm able to actually enjoy life rather than waste it at work fixing what the little h4x0rs break. Also on this point... BSD is so dead that all of my friends have at least installed a *BSD partition on thier machines and do most of their playing in *BSD rather than WinBlows or Linux. The majority of them have done this within the past 5 months.

Sorry this particular article from SA has got all kinds of big bugs thru it... especially when they say that a MS OS beat a *nix OS based on thier metrics, what in the sam hell are those? I'm running BSD on a 486DX4/100mhz as a private webserver and it's pushing almost as many SETI projects thru in a week as my 600mhz PIII running ms-windows!

Want proof BSD's not dead? Got Proof that BSD's not dead... here it is...

Apache.org, developers of the ever-popular apache webserver uses... FreeBSD as the OS on thier servers.
Proof: http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/200112/deve lopers/apache.html

Yahoo.Com, one of the more famous search engines uses... FreeBSD as the OS on thier servers.
Proof: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/article s/explaining-bsd/index.html or look it up yourself!

cdrom.com, The world's busiest FTP server uses... FreeBSD as the OS on thier servers.
Proof: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/article s/explaining-bsd/index.html

Oh and before I forget... Did you enjoy the movie "The Matrix"? If so... Guess what was the OS on the CG cluster of 32 *nix boxes... FreeBSD!
Proof: http://www.freebsd.org/news/press-rel-1.html

System stability and uptimes? That's the easy one... the "ENTIRE" BSD set of versions... out of the top 50 @ NetCraft

BSD/OS has 24 of the 50 slots with 5 of those being in the top 20.

FreeBSD has 18 of the 50 slots with 10 of those being in the top 20.

IRIX has 8 of the 50 slots with 5 of those being in the top 20.

That's funny... Where's linux?

PROOF? http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html

Oh BTW there is one thing that I will also mention... they couldn't measure or detect for FreeBSD default configurations in versions 3 to 4.3, which would be; 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0, 4.1, 4.11, 4.2, & 4.3. Which was about 2 + years worth of releases.

So don't think for a minute that BSD is dead or dying.

FACT: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOUR TALKING ABOUT and neither did that author in this instance!

Regards,
Neo@/dev/null

"Netcraft officially confirms: *BSD is dying"
Where in the vast depths of the hellish web did you locate this official statement? I've grep'd the entire netcraft site and am half tempted to call rainbow tech and chew on someone over there since they do that site and have harrassing me to buy one of their SSL accelerators. Hmmm... now that I think of it... check that out... NetCraft runs FreeBSD as thier OS... well now since you seem to need the education...

Well it's obvious that the Little Linux hackers (or as they call themselves h4x0rs or 313373) are once again out in force bashing. Well it's apparent that they, just like a place that was looking at hiring me for my expertise in *BSD *NIX OS, don't know their history nor do they know what the #@&* an industry standard is.

BSDi was around long before Linux. The Open Source community version of BSD (Free, Open, Net) may lack in hardware but, unlike the Linux hacker ideals of, get everything to work and run to get something else in before checking for stability with what was just done isn't exactly my idea of an OS that I would consider to be alive... as a matter of fact... I'd consider that to be a case of one foot in the grave and the other one on a banana peel. Compare this to *BSD, there may not be everyone and thier great grandmother spitting out dev drivers but when drivers come out they're stable and supported by the rest of the community. BSD also has the most robust TCP/IP stack out there in the known world of OS's... Trust me... Microsoft certainly isn't even out of the miniture putt putt in this particular area.

So *BSD is dead according to this almight OS basher... that's interesting... I've converted 50+ servers to *BSD with TrustedBSD recommendations from Linux, @ work, and haven't had a sucessful breakin to date, nor have I had a kernel seg fault in so long that I'm able to actually enjoy life rather than waste it at work fixing what the little h4x0rs break. Also on this point... BSD is so dead that all of my friends have at least installed a *BSD partition on thier machines and do most of their playing in *BSD rather than WinBlows or Linux. The majority of them have done this within the past 5 months.

Sorry this particular article from SA has got all kinds of big bugs thru it... especially when they say that a MS OS beat a *nix OS based on thier metrics, what in the sam hell are those? I'm running BSD on a 486DX4/100mhz as a private webserver and it's pushing almost as many SETI projects thru in a week as my 600mhz PIII running ms-windows!

Want proof BSD's not dead? Got Proof that BSD's not dead... here it is...

Apache.org, developers of the ever-popular apache webserver uses... FreeBSD as the OS on thier servers.
Proof: http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/200112/deve lopers/apache.html

Yahoo.Com, one of the more famous search engines uses... FreeBSD as the OS on thier servers.
Proof: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/article s/explaining-bsd/index.html or look it up yourself!

cdrom.com, The world's busiest FTP server uses... FreeBSD as the OS on thier servers.
Proof: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/article s/explaining-bsd/index.html

Oh and before I forget... Did you enjoy the movie "The Matrix"? If so... Guess what was the OS on the CG cluster of 32 *nix boxes... FreeBSD!
Proof: http://www.freebsd.org/news/press-rel-1.html

System stability and uptimes? That's the easy one... the "ENTIRE" BSD set of versions... out of the top 50 @ NetCraft

BSD/OS has 24 of the 50 slots with 5 of those being in the top 20.

FreeBSD has 18 of the 50 slots with 10 of those being in the top 20.

IRIX has 8 of the 50 slots with 5 of those being in the top 20.

That's funny... Where's linux?

PROOF? http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html

Oh BTW there is one thing that I will also mention... they couldn't measure or detect for FreeBSD default configurations in versions 3 to 4.3, which would be; 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0, 4.1, 4.11, 4.2, & 4.3. Which was about 2 + years worth of releases.

So don't think for a minute that BSD is dead or dying.

FACT: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOUR TALKING ABOUT and neither did that author in this instance!

Regards,
Neo@/dev/null

The recent results from Netcraft confirm that anime is dying.

Just two weeks ago, anime creator Lik Mi Poo said he was getting out of the business because of a lack of revenue.

Anime is dead.

Well usually Roblimo takes the highest-moderated comments and sends them to me, but I guess this will do.

1. In 1983, the GNU Project was first announced. One of its main goals was ownership of my anus. Being a man of the heterosexual persuasion, I was forced to go underground to avoid falling prey to Richard Stallman's anal invasion.

2. You probably read that on the Baseball Prospectus. Much like Slashdot, they are devoted to promoting the homosexual agenda through lies.

3. Once David Glass sells the Royals and the whole front office gets fired for gross incompetence, I'll have all the time in the world.

4. To cite either of those texts would violate copyright laws such as the DMCA and SSSCA which I and all law-abiding Americans hold very dearly.

5. Trick question, you aren't wearing pants. But your dick doesn't look big at all.

6. With a little investigation, anyone can realize that as long as Enron held to the good solid Christian values of Texas, they had a strong business. However, in the midst of the late 90's boom, they fell prey to the dark machinations of VA (Vaginas Away!) Software, Slashdot.org, and Apache. It was only a matter of time.

VA Software executives have been photographed frantically applying for MCSE classes, but most certification schools do not accept used condoms and old pizza boxes as payment. The writing is on the wall.

7. If by "that" you mean CowboyNeal's shriveled cock, forget it. I have enough karma already.

8. Everything was going well in China until Linux came along. Will they ever turn around and behold the warm sun of capitalism?

9. You're lucky I only have one question left.

10. In today's Washington Post Classifieds, I noticed an ad from a gentleman in Michigan who seeks some sort of Sodomite rendezvous. Clearly this man has visited the "Geek Compound" and tasted its dark delights. One can only assume this man supports the Kyoto Protocol and other anticapitalist government programs, and has not read The Kyoto Killers.

Now, I'm off to put on my full-body armor and watch Chuck Knoblauch practice his throwing.

> Why did *BSD fail
You sound like it has already failed, which is the opposite. FreeBSD's userbase is steadily increasing. The number of ports is incresing constantly. Not to mention there are more or less 20 daily updates to the system source (in FreeBSD). Is this what you call failing? Every linux user that switches to BSD gets hooked. Try it, and you'll love it.

> *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels
Since when are the kernels supposed to be compatible? FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD are all designed for different purposes, and they have different goals.

I dont know whether you have a broomstick up your ass or you just want to start a OS war. *BSD is by far the most stable OS. Look at the Netcraft uptime surveys, 42/50 of the sites with highest uptimes all have BSD. Does this say something?

By the way, I don't really see the purpose of this project. Many NetBSD utils are designed specifically with the NetBSD kernel (ipfw, smbfs, etc...). Not to mention most of the /bin and /usr/bin of linux and NetBSD are identical. Basically you will end up with a weird version of NetBSD.

No, yahoo is FreeBSD. Google is Linux pretty much always has. There have been a few articles here about Google's fairly massive Linux cluster.

But they've still got a lot of NS server software available for use at some point, if they can find a good use.

Don't forget AOL Server, which I understand has some advantages over Apache (faster, works well with databases, built around Tcl if that's what floats your boat) and is open source (Mozilla Public License, apparently). Never used it myself, but AOL does.

Ok, netcraft shows us this, so we can expect the site to change it's content quite soon.

You have to visit the posters website... He slates off Apache as a complete shambles, but guess who'se hosting his website ? I'll give you a clue ...

his server @

Oh doncha just love the power of the internet sometimes...

What do u mean dead??!!

Its running on a lot of big sites: Apache, Yahoo

Seems very much alive to me

But then again if you would have read the article you would know that.

What do u mean dead??!!

Its running on a lot of big sites: Apache, Yahoo

Seems very much alive to me

But then again if you would have read the article you would know that.

How you can interpret netcraft as saying BSD is dead when their longest uptimes page reports that 95% of the top 50 are BSD-based websites?