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Re:why didn't heThis is included in the torrent:
"Nine Inch Nails: Ghosts I (2008)
This torrent is an official upload from Nine Inch Nails.
We're very proud to present a new collection of instrumental music, Ghosts I-IV. Â Almost two hours of music recorded over an intense ten week period last fall, Ghosts I-IV sprawls Nine Inch Nails across a variety of new terrain.
Now that we're no longer constrained by a record label, we've decided to personally upload Ghosts I, the first of the four volumes, to various torrent sites, because we believe BitTorrent is a revolutionary digital distribution method, and we believe in finding ways to utilize new technologies instead of fighting them.
We encourage you to share the music of Ghosts I with your friends, post it on your website, play it on your podcast, use it for video projects, etc. Â It's licensed for all non-commercial use under Creative Commons.
We've also made a 40 page PDF book to accompany the album. Â If you'd like to download it for free, visit http://ghosts.nin.com/main/pdf
Ghosts I is the first part of the 36 track collection Ghosts I-IV. Â Undoubtedly you'll be able to find the complete collection on the same torrent network you found this file, but if you're interested in the release, we encourage you to check it out at ghosts.nin.com, where the complete Ghosts I-IV is available directly from us in a variety of DRM-free digital formats, including FLAC lossless, for only $5. Â You can also order it on CD, or as a deluxe package with multitrack audio files, high definition audio on Blu-ray disc, and a large hard-bound book.
We genuinely appreciate your support, and hope you enjoy the new music. Â Thanks for listening.
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Re:why didn't heThis is included in the torrent:
"Nine Inch Nails: Ghosts I (2008)
This torrent is an official upload from Nine Inch Nails.
We're very proud to present a new collection of instrumental music, Ghosts I-IV. Â Almost two hours of music recorded over an intense ten week period last fall, Ghosts I-IV sprawls Nine Inch Nails across a variety of new terrain.
Now that we're no longer constrained by a record label, we've decided to personally upload Ghosts I, the first of the four volumes, to various torrent sites, because we believe BitTorrent is a revolutionary digital distribution method, and we believe in finding ways to utilize new technologies instead of fighting them.
We encourage you to share the music of Ghosts I with your friends, post it on your website, play it on your podcast, use it for video projects, etc. Â It's licensed for all non-commercial use under Creative Commons.
We've also made a 40 page PDF book to accompany the album. Â If you'd like to download it for free, visit http://ghosts.nin.com/main/pdf
Ghosts I is the first part of the 36 track collection Ghosts I-IV. Â Undoubtedly you'll be able to find the complete collection on the same torrent network you found this file, but if you're interested in the release, we encourage you to check it out at ghosts.nin.com, where the complete Ghosts I-IV is available directly from us in a variety of DRM-free digital formats, including FLAC lossless, for only $5. Â You can also order it on CD, or as a deluxe package with multitrack audio files, high definition audio on Blu-ray disc, and a large hard-bound book.
We genuinely appreciate your support, and hope you enjoy the new music. Â Thanks for listening.
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Direct Link
It's a little late, but here's the official site. I clicked the link to the article, and most of my browser window was an ad. I had to scroll down to even scan (not read) TFA. Lame.
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You've missed the important part
From the FAQ:
"Ghosts I-IV is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike license."
This goes way beyond what Radiohead did. Those torrents that you see on Pirate Bay are perfectly okay. But, I'll certainly give the man money for doing this. -
Re:Bad Summary - only part is freeThe summary's a bit off - I haven't read this article, but something I read earlier today said that there are several releases.
If I remember correctly:
1. The first part of the album (not the whole thing) is available as a free download.
2. The whole thing is available for download for $5.
3. A CD set is available (10-15ish?). The 2CD set is $10, but when you check out it shows the shipping price: $6.99. That's a bit high... 4. A deluxe, signed, and limited CD set is available ($75?). The signed one is $300.
http://ghosts.nin.com/main/order_options. -
Not Typical NIN, Give It A Listen!From the site where this is hosted: This music arrived unexpectedly as the result of an experiment. The rules were as follows: 10 weeks, no clear agenda, no overthinking, everything driven by impulse. Whatever happens during that time gets released as... something.
The team: Atticus Ross, Alan Moulder and myself with some help from Alessandro Cortini, Adrian Belew and Brian Viglione. Rob Sheridan collaborated with Artist in Residence (A+R) to create the accompanying visual and physical aesthetic.
We began improvising and let the music decide the direction. Eyes were closed, hands played instruments and it began. Within a matter of days it became clear we were on to something, and a lot of material began appearing. What we thought could be a five song EP became much more. I invited some friends over to join in and we all enjoyed the process of collaborating on this.
The end result is a wildly varied body of music that we're able to present to the world in ways the confines of a major record label would never have allowed - from a 100% DRM-free, high-quality download, to the most luxurious physical package we've ever created.
More volumes of Ghosts are likely to appear in the future.
- Trent Reznor, March 2, 2008 For those of you that don't like the same sounding music on an album or the yelling vocals, I heavily recommend downloading this and listening to it for free. I emphasized the "wildly varied" as some of this music is very cool calm and collected easy listening with very orchestral sounding builds.
I'm glad to see an artist as respected as Reznor do this. It kind of makes sense though, as you see this music only took him 10 weeks to do and doesn't have any vocals--lowering the number of takes and the difficulty of quality lyrics.
With the digital age and the ability to produce easily and quickly accessible DRM free music, we may see the beginning of a whole lot more material coming from artists with either an ad-based revenue or charging for particular tracks that required more studio time and refinement. -
Re:when
I find that to be a pretty good ratio
I must say, he really swings from one extreme - "steal, steal ... and steal some more" - to the other - ISP tax to do things normally covered by Fair Use. How bout we meet somewhere in the middle, Trent?
Trent never said he supported an ISP tax: "I left the conversation thinking I'd cleared up the misconception that I thought the entire release of "niggytardust" was a failure. Well, it appears the story was written before I was involved, and I woke up the next day to find out I'm a supporter of an ISP tax. Thanks, CNET." From http://www.nin.com/index.html#2882965178223012038 -
Re:this should be nice
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Resistance is Futile.
If you go to Nine Inch Nails website you'll find the results of an experiment they just ran through. They offered an album for free with the option to pay if you felt like it. To cut to the chase, 18% paid for it (at $5 a pop). That may sound like a poor result and it would have been if it was fifteen years ago. Today however, the game has changed, the music industry used to be based around the concept of scarcity. They had a physical product and the only method of distribution involved moving that product around. Today, information can be replicated for almost zero cost instantly world-wide. Scarcity as a assumption in the business model no longer applies. So if traditional media companies are to save themselves they need to radically change their mode of operation or go extinct. Without scarcity, the only other tangible benefit they have to offer is the experience itself. This means shifting where they expect to get the majority of their revenue away from what is no longer scarce - the music itself - to what is still in short supply: live concerts, t-shirts, mugs, unique (signed?) physical items and such. The music itself can almost be written completely off as a promotional expense to attract business to the items that for are still scarce. Information networks have completely changed the rules of the game in many areas and media companies are just the people to experience it first. If they lack the vision to capitalize on products and services that are still scarce then they will remain as relevant as the steam engine. And there's nothing they can do to stop it - no matter how much "protection" they place on their wares there is a whole new generation of artists growing up right now that don't really see a pressing need to sign with a big label in the first place so if the labels don't adapt and continue to offer something of value then, well, economics is a bitch.
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Re:Nothing new here
Yes, only those catchphrase-spouting tuneless wonders like Radiohead and Trent Reznor want musicians to embrace new technologies or give away their material for free.
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NIN & China
Trent played in Beijing a few days ago.
He posted a message to his chinese fans addressing the issues of pirating and illegal downloading... basically that if you can't afford the CD, then download.
If anyone knows chinese, feel free to translate it for us:
http://nin.com/china/
(btw the entire album was playable online on the official NIN site around the time of release). -
Re:Going indie
At his Year Zero site: http://yearzero.nin.com/
At the bottom of the page, under "Multitrack Audio Files"
Garage Band style on the left or Raw WAV's on the right. -
Re:Yeah, blame technologyAnd music that people make by themselves isn't necessarily bad.
That's exactly right. Frank Zappa did some unbelievably complex composing with no one but himself. Trent Reznor is a master of it as well (in a very different vein). Aphex Twin is another who is pushing the musical envelope with just 1 person, I could go on and on with examples. -
Re:Have people forgotten??
I haven't followed NiN too much lately, but how great is it that they're using The Pirate Bay to serve content? (See "raw files" links under "Multitrack Audio Files" section.)
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Also along the same vein.
Trent Reznor has been very angry over some of UMG's decisions as of late. Trent does a good job of providing reasons to buy his album in this digital age. He even puts up all his new music on his Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/nin Here is a link to some of his current concerns regarding UMG. http://nin.com/tr/
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Re:Also released in 'Generic Format'...
http://www.nin.com/current/index.html
Nothing on the page but a background jpeg and a giant flashblock icon, which I refuse to click, useless.
Kind of a shame as I used to like NIN, but nothing puts me off more than an all flash page, especially one that features Apple formats.
Let me know if they ever figure out html and the incredible utility and simplicity of the anchor tag. -
Re:ATTN: SWITCHEURS!
olo@Claris misspelling. Nicely done.
Lovely image gallery, but you should have included some of this. -
Multi-tracks available for Download
Trent also puts some of his songs on his site for re-mixing http://yearzero.nin.com/ & http://www.nin.com/downloads/index.html
You can download the complete multi-track songs to re-mix.
He definitely understands the audience and marketing! -
Multi-tracks available for Download
Trent also puts some of his songs on his site for re-mixing http://yearzero.nin.com/ & http://www.nin.com/downloads/index.html
You can download the complete multi-track songs to re-mix.
He definitely understands the audience and marketing! -
If they didn't like the marketing campaign...
What do you think they'll make of this?
Trent Reznor has put the full album up on the official website for promotional purposes.
http://yearzero.nin.com/
(no reg: http://yearzero.nin-thespiral.com/FLJoi4gjw2f/play er.html?reg=no)
This is the first RIAA-produced album I'm considering breaking my boycott for. First, because it's very good, and secondly, because even if they may get some profit from it, the message to them should be very clear. -
Nine Inch Nails
Nine Inch Nails did something similar with the underground video for Broken. I believe I read on their website in the access section (I'd provide a specific link, but their entire site is needlessly in Flash, and thus not indexed by Google, let alone searchable with the browsers find dialog), that the film had specific static signatures that identified each of the 14 (I think) original leaked copies. So, years later, they were able to tell who leaked the copies. Of course, it was supposed to be viral and they wanted it to be leaked. While static does detract from film quality (typically), in this instance, it probably added to the overall aesthetic.
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I went ahead and updated Timbaland's wiki article
Now the trick is to keep the info in there. As an aside, I honestly think that moaning the record label is the wrong approach, and that if somehow Timbaland himself can be reached, he would probably reach out to Tempest - maybe send him a SidStation, trade tips on producing bleepy bloopy music. Don't try to talk artistic merit to the suits. And don't think that big artists are completely unreachable and internet-stupid. Then again, I might be spoiled in my own experience, running a Nine Inch Nails website. Know any other sizeable artists who make their Pro-Tools masters available to the public, upload DVD cuts of out-of-print or unreleased video compilations and 320kbps MP3s live collaborations to the Pirate Bay, and was posting to Prodigy news groups back in 1991.
Seriously though, someone should try to contact Timbaland. -
Re:What the hell is "bubble fusion"?
its when they play nine inch nails to zubbles
:)
http://nin.com/
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Nine Inch Nails
I'm surprised that no one else has yet mentioned Nine Inch Nails release of The Hand That Feeds in Garage Band format.
"There are some copyright issues involved, so read the notice that pops up. Giving this away is an experiment. I'm interested to see what comes of it, what issues are raised and what the results are."
Can't remember what the copyright notice said - I only tried it a couple of times. My mac was not really powerful enough for it to be much use but it was certainly an interesting idea. -
Miss them? Vinyl isn't dead yet!
Why, I bought some the other day! I have a record player right beside my monitor here, and I have records released in the oh-so-distant year of 2005 . . . in other words, don't lament the death of vinyl yet! For exactly some of the same reasons parent notes, vinyl is enjoying a bit of a comeback. Two of my newer ones (Sloan's 2003 "Action Pact" and
...Trail of Dead's 2005 "Worlds Apart" have some nicely on-par-with-oldskool artwork throughout, and at least, they're far beyond what I would have gotten with purchasing the CDs of each.
Okay, admittedly, it depends where you live. I actually spend most of my time in Edmonton, MiddleofnowhereAlberta, and here it's damn impossible to find new vinyl. Most of what I currently have I picked up from Zulu Records last time I was in Vancouver; every record store I went to there, though, had actual records, so I'd go as far as to say that in major cities across North America you'll be able to buy new vinyl with at most a small amount of hassle (the ones I picked up at Zulu Records were little pricier, if at all, than the CD version would be; and to be able to find an unopened copy of "Surfer Rosa" for less than a new CD of the album would be is just wonderous).
On a more topical sidenote; it does get a bit tricky when speaking of modern recordings, as to the sound quality. I was tempted to pick up a copy of "With Teeth" recently, but I resisted; true, the track order is even different and includes a song not on the "normal" version (Trent Reznor notably recently railed against the terrible lack of options for packaging nowadays with CDs, and so like he often does, the vinyl release of his latest album gives a big thumbs-up to vinyl collectors), but I had to admit that I already had the dualdisc version . . .
See, older albums would have been recorded with analog means, but anything relatively recent is going to have been recorded at least in a large part digitally, and mixed thusly and so forth. So often analog won't give you nearly the theoretical audio-quality increase that it used to with older releases. Furthermore, as is the case with the aforementioned dualdisc version of "With Teeth", the album might come in higher-than-CD quality digital, with characteristics that vinyl can't reproduce (in this example, having been recorded and engineered, by someone who really knows how to do this, in 5.1).
So, alas, vinyl has its strong suits and its weaknesses. But it certainly beats iTMS quality, for more than just the cover art question, and I could never give up the ability to flip on Side B of "Surfer Rosa" and here that "whooooooooo-stop" as Where Is My Mind begins with those slight, slight crackles audible clearly at the insane volume I've turned it up to . . .
So, parent, props to you, I mostly agree, but I'm going to paraphrase: Break out the old turntable, grab a favorite vinyl from a store, and remember how music still can be! -
Trent Reznor / Garage Band remix
Other musicians are doing it too. Trent Reznor released his last single as a Garage Band file on his website so that fans of NIN could remix it themselves (scroll down to 4_15_05 to download the SIT file).
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Re:OSS
You mean like this?
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Bands with free test songs still exist
Bands that allow you to download their songs free of charge still exist, quite a few come to mind right off the bat.
There's always The Trews, who offer alot of their songs including alternative versions other than the ones on their main album . . . err, wait, the page is down right now.
Well, I remember Alice In Videoland offered actually all of their songs online in mp3 and . . . oh, the page doesn't seem to exist anymore at all.
Well, 8mm at least lets you stream all of their songs online . . . geez, I'm not really making my point here, am I? I swear bands still offer mp3s . . . well, at least Shocknina seems to do so, and they're a new band too. I guess the problem is, to be able to offer mp3s, you often have to be an independent artist, the record companies take exception to that kind of thing. Well, I mean, Trent Reznor released his last two singles in a form that one could even pull apart and remix easily, basically giving access to something akin to the source audio . . . but that's the kind of thing only a huge but eccentric artist like Nine Inch Nails can get away with. -
Re:Another FirstWhich movie's this? I'm curious now.
Well, that depends on what he's meaning. There's Closure, a two VHS set that came out a long time ago. There was supposed to be a DVD release this year, but it's been indefinitely shelved due to debates between Reznor and the label.
What he was probably talking about, though, is Broken, a movie where a young man is kidnapped, tortured and forced to watch NIN videos. It was produced by Reznor and features a performing S&M artist named Bob Flanagan. It was never officially released, and the video for "Happiness in Slavery" (taken from this movie) was banned from MTV. You can, however, download the video to HiS on the official NIN site.
Rumor has it that the movie was intended to be included in the DVD release of Closure, but we won't know until that project gets back on track.
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Re:If anybody has Nine Inch Nail's Bleedthrough
Trent answers that question on the NIN site. Linky here.
Sorry, for some reason, Trent seems to think it's artistic to post the answers to questions on a dodgily typewritten sheet that has then been scanned and saved as a .gif :S
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Re:Damn it
[Trent Reznor] decided to ditch the effort since it was taking too long for them to get done with the game.
in other news, local pot calls kettle "black"
www.nin.com has updated... -
Re:Final Version
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Potential tinnitus treatment?
After playing in Punk bands, listening to Punk on walkmen and seeing other Punk bands play live I've had an awful case of Tinnitus since about 1990. Actually it started for me after seeing an industrial band play at a tiny nightclub in Neptune NJ.
The suck-factor of this malady has increased over the past decade. But I've learned to live with it (for the most part, but it does drive me nuts occasionally). There are treatments out there that are mostly based on cognitive adaptation. I've also heard of some treatments involving massive doses of vitamin A. But the latter is a bit dicey, because if things go wrong you can easily poison yourself if the dosage is just a bit off.
The article metiontions noise damage to the central ear - the cochlea - which is EXACTLY what caused my condition. The treatments in question could potentially reduce further damage to the inner. But I was *very* encouraged that they are also talking about the potential of hearing rehabilitation.
I've always (having already been a fullbown by the age of 5) been fascinated with science and technology and believing it's inevitable upward spiral would yield miraculous advances. After having been injured (in no small part due to my own ignorance of human physiology) in this way, I've held onto that belief tighter than ever. This is a truly maddening condition. -
quake
i think the game that really made me appreciate its soundtrack was "quake" with music entirely by "trent reznor" (well known for being "nine inch nails"). the best thing about it, was being able to take out of of your computer and play the audio tracks on any cd-player. old playstation games sometimes did this, and the modern equivalent is finding all the game tracks are stored as mp3s.
the article is a bit whingy and i think misses the point that it is a case of "right tool for the right job". sometimes existing tracks work better, sometimes something entirely new is what's needed. that's what makes it art.
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Re:We know that...
Forget the mobo - AGPx4 Vs AGPx8 doesn't make a huge difference at the moment with games, and even if the NV30 cards drop to $200 I would still like to be able to hear the lovingly created sound track by Trent Reznor - go for the $180 ATI card - it is better for your ears ^_^
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Emusic are a legitimate source
Looks to me like it would be useful only for detecting stuff that was downloaded from a "legitimate" source (are there any?) and put unchanged onto Napster.
The reason you're seeing this come from Emusic and not The Big Five(tm) is that Emusic are a legitimate source of digital music. Unless people go to the effort of purposely modifying the mp3 files they get from Emusic before putting them in their Napster directory, the files will be identical.
Before now, there's never been any reason anyone would go to that effort. But now, I suspect you will see lots of utilities that flip some number of random bits in a file to destroy the signature.
Incidentally, there are plenty of other legitimate sources, and they're growing by the day. The majority are band's own websites... often an exclusive remix or a live version of a song. As a current example, the official Nine Inch Nails site contains two tracks that were not put on the new remix album "Things Falling Apart".
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The medium does not create the urge to duplicate.
I contest the notion that the availability of DVD-ROM drives creates the urge to pirate films. If the proposed changes the the DVD format were enacted, the same Hotline warez kiddies who pipe VCDs out their dormroom ethernet would just hook up a VHS player to their machines.
Multimedia files are no longer beyond the file capacity of home computers. My first CD-ROM drive came with a computer that had a 1 GB drive (Macintosh Quadra 840AV). At that time, although the software for duplication existed, it was hardly logical to make a disk image of Myst.
Although a MS Word file might take up a megabyte instead of 100kB, the 10GB+ drives that come with any new machine reflect the users' desire for media files, be they MP3s, AIFFs, or VCDs. Storing the new NIN or Tori double CDs has become trivial and inexpensive.
It is the state of computing today, of storage and of bandwidth, that allows for personal piracy. Stopping mass duplication and distribution should be the goal of the industries affected. Hampering the technology and the products can only be a shot in the foot.
Thank you, --Max