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"The Presto rendering engine had some pretty decent performance, and was often the fastest among the graphical browsers." - by Dr. Spork (142693) on Wednesday February 13, @09:00AM (#42882759)

http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/11/12/037241/Firefox-4-Regains-Speed-Mojo-With-No-2-Placing

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

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* Each of those listed benchmarks tests reviews had Opera consistently finishing 1st or 2nd typically vs. all other competing webbrowser programs over time, & yes - In straight HTML processing, Javascript performance (which I consider only heading into exploits faster, as to speed gains here), & even HTML5 tests (iirc, I haven't checked those links recently though)...

(Says it all & "seconds your motion", with backing data from reputable sources!)

APK

P.S.=> Will I try the new motor/engine? Sure - However:

I strongly wager I'll still stick by Opera 12.14 64-bit, since it is amazingly well-done, finally & in pure 64-bit code too!

(Opera's devs have it down solid & with ZERO known bugs afaik, currently, as of this build)...

Time WILL tell though!

... apk

It is, & has been, TRULY the "Superior-Warrior" in the way of webbrowser programs + on MANY levels!

FOR SPEED OPERA ROCKS! (Especially over time):

B.) For SPEED & Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place, albeit, only TEMPORARILY!

(Until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

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ALSO, FOR SECURITY? YES - OPERA ROCKS (as far as unpatched security vulnerabilities):

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Vulnerability Report: Opera 11.x (05/26/2012):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/33328/

Unpatched 10% (1 of 10 Secunia advisories)

* Mind you, that over time? From all versions UP TO this current one just released today?? THIS IS USUALLY ZERO% & ZERO UNPATCHED! The single 1 remaining is the "history bug" ALL other browsers had also, & the simple fix? DON'T KEEP BROWSING HISTORIES!

(What ticked me off, is that Opera 12's out there, but Secunia doesn't have stats for it yet...)

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Vulnerability Report: Microsoft Internet Explorer 9.x (05/26/2012):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/34591/

Unpatched 13% (1 of 8 Secunia advisories)

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Vulnerability Report: Mozilla Firefox 12.x (05/26/2012):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/40737/

Unpatched 0% (0 of 0 Secunia advisories)

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Vulnerability Report: Google Chrome 19.x (05/26/2012):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/40938/

Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories)

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A.) For SECURITY, OPERA ROCKS & HAS OVER TIME BIG TIME, usually @ ZERO unpatched security vulnerabilities AND zero unpatched sec. vulns counts period!

(& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol)

FOR SPEED OPERA ROCKS! (Especially over time):

B.) For SPEED & Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place, albeit, only TEMPORARILY!

(Until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

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ALSO, FOR SECURITY? YES - OPERA ROCKS (as far as unpatched security vulnerabilities):

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Vulnerability Report: Opera 11.x (12/15/2011):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/33328/

Unpatched 14% (1 of 7 Secunia advisories)

* Mind you, that over time? From all versions UP TO this current one just released today?? THIS IS USUALLY ZERO% & ZERO UNPATCHED!

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Vulnerability Report: Microsoft Internet Explorer 9.x (12/15/2011):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/34591/

Unpatched 17% (1 of 6 Secunia advisories)

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Vulnerability Report: Google Chrome 15.x (12/15/2011):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/38537/

Unpatched 25% (1 of 4 Secunia advisories)

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Vulnerability Report: Mozilla Firefox 8.x (12/15/2011):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/38734/

Unpatched 100% (1 of 1 Secunia advisories)

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A.) For SECURITY, OPERA ROCKS & HAS OVER TIME BIG TIME, usually @ ZERO unpatched security vulnerabilities AND zero unpatched sec. vulns counts period!

(& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

B.) AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above)?

OK:

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Opera is also typically & over time (as per usual mind you) the OVERALL FASTEST Browser there is per these tests & articles on /. recently, here:

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http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/11/12/037241/Firefox-4-Regains-Speed-Mojo-With-No-2-Placing (Chrome MAY have "edged out" std. Opera lately in version 10 for javascript processing, but I wonder - does it beat Opera 11? If so, still?? It's only a matter of time before Opera "takes the javascript 'speed-crown' away from Chrome again, as it usually does!)

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

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Additionally, this speed superiority is not only manifested in HTML related work, where OPERA gained its reputation as "the fastest webbrowser in the world" long ago, but also in javascript related work as well, typically over time, w/ Opera being the "fastest browser in the world" (see the top test in fact on that note & this older result as well on that note -> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/06/23/html5-native-third-ie9-platform-preview-available-for-developers.aspx ).

Opera's also wildly successful on mobile phones as well (widely known), AND, it's HUGELY USED in Europe.

As far as SECURITY as well & not having unpatched vulnerabilities? Opera has had the least amount remaining unpatched of the "Big 4" webbrowsers over time:

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Opera 11 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/33328/

FireFox security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched - too bad, no list for MINEFIELD):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/

GOOGLE CHROME 8 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/33215/

IE 8 security advisories @ SECUNIA (33% unpatched - too bad, no list for IE9 (which IS more secured)):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/

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IE (way moreso), & FF (less moreso) used to be "notorious" for bugs/security vulnerabilities, but they HAVE done a good job lately vs. them (FF especially, as it used to show bugs out the you-know-what, there on its security advisory list above - not anymore!)

Opera also passed the "ACID2" test, for standards compliance (it is not alone here, but is over IE & FF, & it was the 6th browser to do so):

http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/03/12/1416222.shtml

Top that off with the fact Opera's FREE, plus it has addons (along with widgets also mind you), and now has "tab stacking" also?

Hey... beat ALL that, with a stick!

APK

P.S.=> Yes, folks: Opera TRULY is, the "innovative & 'SUPERIOR WARRIOR'", in the way of webbrowsers out there, period, & especially OVER TIME (e.g.-> How many features from Opera did IE, FF, or others "steal" from Opera? Tab browsing (opera had it before those did, and even before CHROME existed), SpeedDial pages (FF has this via an addon now), IE's "paste & go" address bar (Opera had that LONG before IE), & yes, even more!)... apk

"if you really want speed you'd better not ignore Opera" - by sznupi (719324) on Wednesday November 24, @06:29AM (#34329418) Homepage

Agreed, 110%, and with a LOT of backing recent & past historical data on speed superiority of Opera (and security too as well & more... read on!):

Opera is also apparently lately AGAIN (as per usual mind you) the OVERALL FASTEST Browser there is per this test & article on /. recently, here:

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http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/11/12/037241/Firefox-4-Regains-Speed-Mojo-With-No-2-Placing

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

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Additionally, this speed superiority is not only in HTML related work, where it gained its reputation as "the fastest webbrowser in the world" long ago, but also in javascript related work as well (see the top test in fact on that note & this older result as well on that note -> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/06/23/html5-native-third-ie9-platform-preview-available-for-developers.aspx ).

Opera's also wildly successful on mobile phones as well (widely known).

As far as SECURITY as well & not having unpatched vulnerabilities? Opera has had the least amount remaining unpatched of the "Big 4" webbrowsers over time:

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Opera security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/

FireFox security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/

GOOGLE CHROME 7 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/32718/

IE 8 security advisories @ SECUNIA (29% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/

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Opera also passed the "ACID2" test, for standards compliance (it is not alone here, but is over IE & FF, & it was the 6th browser to do so):

http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/03/12/1416222.shtml

APK

P.S.=> Top that off with the fact Opera's FREE, plus it has addons (along with widgets also mind you), and now has "tab stacking" also? Hey... seriously: Beat ALL that, with a stick! apk

"if you want speed - you go Chrome" - by Haedrian (1676506) on Wednesday November 24, @05:13AM (#34329018)

Oh, really? See this below (CHROME LOST TO OPERA VERY RECENTLY ON THAT ACCOUNT, FIRST URL BELOW IN FACT, in javascript processing (where Chrome does well, but not well enough) & in HTML work? Opera's been WIDELY KNOWN as "the fastest webbrowser there is" for nearly a decade now... & the data below proves it in numerous tests no less - read on):

Opera is also apparently lately AGAIN (as per usual mind you) the OVERALL FASTEST Browser there is per this test & article on /. recently, here:

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http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/11/12/037241/Firefox-4-Regains-Speed-Mojo-With-No-2-Placing

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

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Additionally, this speed superiority is not only in HTML related work, where it gained its reputation as "the fastest webbrowser in the world" long ago, but also in javascript related work as well (see the top test in fact on that note & this older result as well on that note -> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/06/23/html5-native-third-ie9-platform-preview-available-for-developers.aspx ).

THAT'S 5 TESTS THAT SHOW OPERA CONSISTENTLY OUTPACING ALL OTHER COMPETITORS IN WEBBROWSERS SPEED, AND FOR YEARS NOW... CONSISTENTLY!

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Opera's also wildly successful on mobile phones as well (widely known).

As far as SECURITY as well & not having unpatched vulnerabilities? Opera has had the least amount remaining unpatched of the "Big 4" webbrowsers over time:

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Opera security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/

FireFox security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/

GOOGLE CHROME 7 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/32718/

IE 8 security advisories @ SECUNIA (29% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/

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Opera also passed the "ACID2" test, for standards compliance (it is not alone here, but is over IE & FF, & it was the 6th browser to do so):

http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/03/12/1416222.shtml

APK

P.S.=> Top all that off with the fact Opera's FREE, plus it has addons (along with widgets also mind you), and now has "tab stacking" also? Hey... beat ALL that, with a stick! apk

"Not trolling, I'm trying to figure out what practical benefit Opera has for its users." - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 04, @04:54PM (#32793748)

Not trolling, but IF this article on SPEED ALONE doesn't do it for you? How about looking @ the practical benefits of SECURITY for end-users also??

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INTERNET EXPLORER 8.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(07/05/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/?task=advisories

Unpatched 31% (4 of 13 Secunia advisories)

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FIREFOX 3.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(07/05/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/25800/?task=statistics

Unpatched 9% (1 of 11 Secunia advisories)

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GOOGLE CHROME 5.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(07/05/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/30134/

Unpatched 0% (0 of 3 Secunia advisories)

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OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(07/05/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/

Unpatched 0% (0 of 8 Secunia advisories)

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"Read 'em, & weep..."

APK

P.S.=> That 0% unpatched known security vulnerabilities rating of Opera's above always tends to be consistently in that range (no bugs unpatched) month in & month out, for years now typically...

NOW, for SPEED also, & over time (Plus, to "get back on track" as to the topic @ hand here), historically? Well...

Opera leads there, & for the LONGEST TIME also, plus on most ALL FRONTS for things "web" (scripting AND std. HTML work)... here are some evidences of that, over time:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

and

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

AND

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases, regarding speed... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))... apk

"The scripting engine in Chrome is at least twice as fast as the one in IE" - by istartedi (132515) on Sunday June 27, @06:02PM (#32711456)

See the results there for what's stated in my subject-line above, it's VERY CURRENT (this week in fact):

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/06/23/html5-native-third-ie9-platform-preview-available-for-developers.aspx

("Read 'em & weep"... & that's ONLY OPERA's BETA CODE FOR THEIR NEXT RELEASE mind you - it's only going to be faster once it's OUT OF BETA (once excessive err traps &/or debug stuff is outta it's codebase))

So - For SPEED?

Opera leads there, & for the LONGEST TIME also, plus on most ALL FRONTS for things "web" (scripting AND std. HTML work)... here are some evidences of that, over time:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

and

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

AND

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

APK

P.S.=> On the note of security as well, in favor of Opera? It's usually always listed with ZERO known security vulnerabilities over @ SECUNIA.COM also (here are today's results on that note in fact):

INTERNET EXPLORER 8.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(06/27/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/?task=advisories

Unpatched 31% (4 of 13 Secunia advisories)

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FIREFOX 3.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(06/27/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/25800/?task=statistics

Unpatched 9% (1 of 11 Secunia advisories)

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GOOGLE CHROME 5.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(06/27/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/30134/

Unpatched 0% (0 of 2 Secunia advisories)

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OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(06/27/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

Unpatched 0% (0 of 7 Secunia advisories)

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(Once more/again, albeit on the note of security vs. speed above: "Read 'em & weep"...)

Opera ROCKS, period (or, do the stats above make me a liar? I think not...)! Opera shows less security vulnerabilities in current builds than FF does (& less than IE, & IE still has known security issues).

Plus, Opera's been able to pass the "ACID TESTS" (ACID2 specfically) for compliance to web-based standards since version 6.x iirc, & it was (iirc) actually the FIRST BROWSER (not development kit) to do so, but when counting dev kits, it was 2nd... correct me if I am "off" here on this last point though, guys, & thanks.

APK

P.S.-> Opera has a BIG "share-of-market" on MOBILE DEVICES as well, & is big in EUROPE (though stats don't tend to show it, because like many others, I tend to "IDENTIFY AS IE" in Opera, so I get somewhat better "IE based" page renderings on SOME sites (this happens, too bad) & that's something others seem to overlook QUITE A BIT too)...

Once more, imo @ least? Well - Opera's great!

I.E.-> It took me away from being a FireFox user primarily in fact, because of it (& FF + IE have copied Opera's features RAMPANTLY over time (e.g.-> Tabbed Browsing anyone? As far as ADDONS also?? Heh, a LOT of w

"One browser can be taken down by others? I thought they should have been competing on technical excellence instead of name recognition" - by headkase (533448) on Friday April 09, @03:22PM (#31793430)

Agreed headcase, & here is WHY (w/ backing evidences).

Well, Opera's KING IN SPEED in BOTH HTML related parsing work PLUS JAVASCRIPT SPEED (especially on the MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS IN COMPUTING, in Windows)... &, security too (less security bugs in current builds) read on:

NOW, as far as "SPEED & SECURITY" online, & Opera vs. FireFox vs. IE?? Ok:

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A.) For SPEED (& Opera led there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

and

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

AND

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

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AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

INTERNET EXPLORER 8.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/?task=advisories

(UNPATCHED = 4-8 / 50% (though 1 of them, the "Critical 'Out-of-Band' Cumulative Update IS patched, as of about 1 hr. ago (go get it those of you that use MS OS' that is...)))

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FIREFOX 3.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/25800/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-8 / 0% (on this note, as you can see? FF's current build's had MORE advisories, over time as I noted, vs. Opera's current build) but...

FF's team HAS done a GREAT JOB in stopping that much faster than usual the past year or two now (now, the same has to be said for their browser addons too, but that too, improves over time as well usually))...

However, the last bug in 3.6 a week or two back?

FF Turned up another one shortly after, forcing 3.6.2 to issue!

Which again, turned up another security bug, forcing 3.6.3 to issue... Which, shows the "holes" but, it also (in FF's defense) showing the FF team's doing their job diligently too... & I've helped the FF team spot bugs before, years ago, when it was the build before FireFOX (FireBird iirc? Not sure anymore!).

Most Critical Unpatched

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

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OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-5 / 0% ) - 5 Opera has a BIG "share-of-market" on MOBILE DEVICES as well, & is big in EUROPE (though stats don't tend to show it, because like many others, I tend to "IDENTIFY AS IE" in Opera, so I get somewhat better "IE based" page renderings on SOME sites (this happens, too bad) & that's something others seem to overlook QUITE A BIT too)...

Once more, imo @ least? Well

"FF loads in about 1-2 seconds on my machine. I'm calling bullshit - by Beelzebud (1361137) on Friday April 09, @04:26PM (#31794344)

Well, Opera's KING IN SPEED in BOTH HTML related parsing work PLUS JAVASCRIPT SPEED (especially on the MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS IN COMPUTING, in Windows)... &, security too (less security bugs in current builds) read on:

(Not sure what sort of "b.s." you're calling there Beezel, but I'd like to show you a few current stats, tests of speed (BOTH old & new/current no less) on the subject's of both SPEED and SECURITY in webbrowsers in the "BIG 3" @ least, as a sort of "FYI" for you, & others, reading...!)

NOW, as far as "SPEED & SECURITY" online, & Opera vs. FireFox vs. IE?? Ok:

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A.) For SPEED (& Opera led there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

and

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

AND

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

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AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

INTERNET EXPLORER 8.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/?task=advisories

(UNPATCHED = 4-8 / 50% (though 1 of them, the "Critical 'Out-of-Band' Cumulative Update IS patched, as of about 1 hr. ago (go get it those of you that use MS OS' that is...)))

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FIREFOX 3.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/25800/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-8 / 0% (on this note, as you can see? FF's current build's had MORE advisories, over time as I noted, vs. Opera's current build) but...

FF's team HAS done a GREAT JOB in stopping that much faster than usual the past year or two now (now, the same has to be said for their browser addons too, but that too, improves over time as well usually))...

However, the last bug in 3.6 a week or two back?

FF Turned up another one shortly after, forcing 3.6.2 to issue!

Which again, turned up another security bug, forcing 3.6.3 to issue... Which, shows the "holes" but, it also (in FF's defense) showing the FF team's doing their job diligently too... & I've helped the FF team spot bugs before, years ago, when it was the build before FireFOX (FireBird iirc? Not sure anymore!).

Most Critical Unpatched

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

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OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-5 / 0% ) - 5 Opera has a BIG "share-of-market" on MOBILE DEVICES as well, & is big in EUROPE (though stats don't tend to show it, because like many others, I tend to "IDENTIFY AS IE" in Opera, so I get somewhat better

Well, Opera's KING IN SPEED in BOTH HTML related parsing work PLUS JAVASCRIPT SPEED (especially on the MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS IN COMPUTING, in Windows)... &, security too (less security bugs in current builds) read on:

NOW, as far as "SPEED & SECURITY" online, & Opera vs. FireFox vs. IE?? Ok:

====

A.) For SPEED (& Opera led there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

and

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

AND

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

----

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

INTERNET EXPLORER 8.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/?task=advisories

(UNPATCHED = 4-8 / 50% (though 1 of them, the "Critical 'Out-of-Band' Cumulative Update IS patched, as of about 1 hr. ago (go get it those of you that use MS OS' that is...)))

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FIREFOX 3.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/25800/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-8 / 0% (on this note, as you can see? FF's current build's had MORE advisories, over time as I noted, vs. Opera's current build) but...

FF's team HAS done a GREAT JOB in stopping that much faster than usual the past year or two now (now, the same has to be said for their browser addons too, but that too, improves over time as well usually))...

However, the last bug in 3.6 a week or two back?

FF Turned up another one shortly after, forcing 3.6.2 to issue!

Which again, turned up another security bug, forcing 3.6.3 to issue... Which, shows the "holes" but, it also (in FF's defense) showing the FF team's doing their job diligently too... & I've helped the FF team spot bugs before, years ago, when it was the build before FireFOX (FireBird iirc? Not sure anymore!).

Most Critical Unpatched

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

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OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-5 / 0% ) - 5 Opera has a BIG "share-of-market" on MOBILE DEVICES as well, & is big in EUROPE (though stats don't tend to show it, because like many others, I tend to "IDENTIFY AS IE" in Opera, so I get somewhat better "IE based" page renderings on SOME sites (this happens, too bad) & that's something others seem to overlook QUITE A BIT too)...

Once more, imo @ least? Well - Opera's great!

I.E.-> It took me away from being a FireFox user primarily in fact, because of it (& FF + IE have copied Opera's features RAMPANTLY over time (e.g.-> Tabbed Browsing anyone? As far as ADDONS also?? Heh, a LOT of what FF has in browser addons, Opera already has natively (

"They really just need to go on a diet. Hey guys; remember how it was supposed to be a fast browser? - y B5_geek (638928) on Friday April 09, @03:24PM (#31793472)

Agreed, & they've ALL (even Opera) gotten a bit "FAT" in RAM, but... keeping up off disk, vs. paging (i.e. - NOT being diskbound), helps speed!

(Even when paging back to the backing .exe file, which IS what apps do with say, resources that aren't visible in tabs & what not that's NOT being displayed currently + their in-memory caches - happens under GDI + user32 in Windows, but not under AERO though I have noticed)...

So, since your topic's about SPEED here?

Well, Opera's KING IN SPEED (especially on the MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS IN COMPUTING, in Windows)... &, security too (less security bugs in current builds) read on:

NOW, as far as "SPEED & SECURITY" online, & Opera vs. FireFox vs. IE?? Ok:

====

A.) For SPEED (& Opera led there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

and

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

AND

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

----

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

INTERNET EXPLORER 8.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/?task=advisories

(UNPATCHED = 4-8 / 50% (though 1 of them, the "Critical 'Out-of-Band' Cumulative Update IS patched, as of about 1 hr. ago (go get it those of you that use MS OS' that is...)))

---

FIREFOX 3.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/25800/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-8 / 0% (on this note, as you can see? FF's current build's had MORE advisories, over time as I noted, vs. Opera's current build) but...

FF's team HAS done a GREAT JOB in stopping that much faster than usual the past year or two now (now, the same has to be said for their browser addons too, but that too, improves over time as well usually))...

However, the last bug in 3.6 a week or two back?

FF Turned up another one shortly after, forcing 3.6.2 to issue!

Which again, turned up another security bug, forcing 3.6.3 to issue... s

Shows the "holes" but, it also (in FF's defense) showing the FF team's doing their job diligently too... & I've helped the FF team spot bugs before, years ago, when it was the build before FireFOX (FireBird iirc? Not sure anymore!).

Most Critical Unpatched

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(04/10/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-5 / 0% )

Most Critical Unpatched

The

"My "undoing", LOL? You really are grasping at straws." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday March 25, @12:50PM (#31612950)

Yes, you avoid showing me data that is current + shows Firefox is faster than Opera is... OR, more secure!

(LOL, you're going to LOVE THIS NEXT ONE, as it's "hot off the presses" as to Opera security superiority, too, yet again & ABSOLUTELY current too!)

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have Yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web"):

====

CURRENT DATA:

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers)):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above (which is, literally, "hot-off-the-press", from yesterday's news no less))?

OK:

----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

"The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

----

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story ->

"All I have asked for is an article, submitted to Slashdot, on which we can topically discuss the slowness or quickness of Opera and Firefox. Currently, you are posting off-topic in an article about security." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday March 25, @12:35PM (#31612642)

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have Yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web") as of yesteday no less, read on, because my data on BOTH SPEED & SECURITY? Are current, valid, & from respectable enough sources! Read on, because yet more security & speed data is present below, by the truckload (an avalanche that backs my words, that YOU CANNOT HANDLE):

====

CURRENT DATA:

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers)):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

----

"LOL OWNED, go troll someone else." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday March 25, @12:35PM (#31612642)

LOL, wtf? Are you BLIND, ILLITERATE, SKIMMING (or just trolling)?

This is CURRENT VALID SPEED DATA:

See next below, tons of it (present & past, + CONSISTENT):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers [slashdot.org]

====

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENT

Per my subject-line above, well "mod me down" all you like but... facts? ARE FACTS!

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have Yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web"):

====

CURRENT DATA, AS OF TODAY, as to why Opera's superior in security too (from the mouth of a hacker/cracker-security tester no less):

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers)):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above (which is, literally, "hot-off-the-press", from yesterday's news no less))?

OK:

----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

"The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

----

Hence, again showing that even the "hacker/cracker" types use Opera, because it's safer to do so, & from the mindset of those DOING THE HACKING/CRACKING no less!

====

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/0

"Still the avoidance, still the denial." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday March 25, @09:36AM (#31609728)

Clone, please: ALL I HAVE ASKED OF YOU IS TO SHOW US THAT OPERA IS SLOWER THAN FIREFOX & WITH MORE CURRENT DATA THAN I PROVIDE BELOW (you avoid this, to no end, because there is NO SUCH DATA, lol)... give us a break. You have turned into a SERIOUS disappointment that cannot let go, or admit when he cannot disprove something.

Per my subject-line above, well "mod me down" etc./et al, & all you like but... facts? ARE FACTS!

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have Yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web"):

====

CURRENT DATA:

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers)):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers [slashdot.org]

====

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above (which is, literally, "hot-off-the-press", from yesterday's news no less))?

OK:

----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

"The problem Microsoft has is th

Per my subject-line above, see below... facts? ARE FACTS!

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have Yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web"):

====

CURRENT DATA:

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers [slashdot.org]

====

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above (which is, literally, "hot-off-the-press", from yesterday's news no less))?

OK:

----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

"The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

----

Hence, again showing that even the "hacker/cracker" types use Opera, because it's safer to do so, & from the mindset of those DOING THE HACKING/CRACKING no less!

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bi

Per my subject-line above, see below... facts? ARE FACTS!

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web"):

====

CURRENT DATA:

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers)):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers [slashdot.org]

====

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above (which is, literally, "hot-off-the-press", from yesterday's news no less))?

OK:

----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

"The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

----

Hence, again showing that even the "hacker/cracker" types use Opera, because it's safer to do so, & from the mindset of those DOING THE HACKING/CRACKING no less!

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime

Per my subject-line above, well "mod me down" all you like but... facts? ARE FACTS!

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have Yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web"):

====

CURRENT DATA:

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers)):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers [slashdot.org]

====

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above (which is, literally, "hot-off-the-press", from yesterday's news no less))?

OK:

----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

"The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

----

Hence, again showing that even the "hacker/cracker" types use Opera, because it's safer to do so, & from the mindset of those DOING THE HACKING/CRACKING no less!

(Opera "rocked the planet"

Per my subject-line above, well "mod me down" all you like but... facts? ARE FACTS!

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have Yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web"):

====

CURRENT DATA:

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers)):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers [slashdot.org]

====

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above (which is, literally, "hot-off-the-press", from yesterday's news no less))?

OK:

----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

"The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

----

Hence, again showing that even the "hacker/cracker" types use Opera, because it's safer to do so, & from the mindset of those DOING THE HACKING/CRACKING no less!

(Opera "rocked the planet"

Per my subject-line above, well "mod me down" all you like but... facts? ARE FACTS!

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have Yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web"):

====

CURRENT DATA:

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers)):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers [slashdot.org]

====

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above (which is, literally, "hot-off-the-press", from yesterday's news no less))?

OK:

----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

"The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

----

Hence, again showing that even the "hacker/cracker" types use Opera, because it's safer to do so, & from the mindset of those DOING THE HACKING/CRACKING no less!

(Opera "rocked the planet"

Per my subject-line above, well "mod me down" all you like but... facts? ARE FACTS!

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have Yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web"):

====

CURRENT DATA:

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera leads there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers)):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted as "hosed" though, lol) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers [slashdot.org]

====

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above (which is, literally, "hot-off-the-press", from yesterday's news no less))?

OK:

----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

"The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

----

Hence, again showing that even the "hacker/cracker" types use Opera, because it's safer to do so, & from the mindset of those DOING THE HACKING/CRACKING no less!

(Opera "rocked the planet"

Per my subject-line above, well "mod me down" all you like but... facts? ARE FACTS!

So, that "all said & aside", well - we have Yet more "icing on the cake" (per valid test evidences from respected websites of BOTH Opera's superior SPEED & SECURITY ONLINE for all things "web"):

====

CURRENT DATA:

A.) For SECURITY (& Opera led there for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in least security vulnerabilities found over time, typically of the "big 3" webbrowsers)):

1.) iPhone, IE, Firefox, Safari get stomped at hacker contest -> (No Opera noted though) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

B.) For SPEED (& Opera leads again there, & CONSISTENTLY + for the LONGEST TIME, yes, even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place TEMPRARILY (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

2.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 WHERE OPERA REGAINS ITS JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED LEAD OVER FF YET AGAIN!

AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

----

OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0% )

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

-----

OLDER DATA (on performance alone):

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]

4.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk]

5.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ [nontroppo.org]

6.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers [slashdot.org]

====

AND, WHAT DOES A "HACKER/CRACKER"-SECURITY RESEARCHER TYPE CURRENTLY SAY, ABOUT OPERA (per Opera's showing in #1 above (which is, literally, "hot-off-the-press", from yesterday's news no less))?

OK:

----

"The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

----

Hence, again showing that even the "hacker/cracker" types use Opera, because it's safer to do so, & from the mindset of those DOING THE HACKING/CRACKING no less!

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

People, face it - MOD ME DOWN, ALL YO

"You know perfectly well what it means, LOL." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday March 25, @08:26AM (#31609030)

Actually, no, I do not... wtf, lol, is "kimmo"?

After all, you said THAT (whatever the heck it means or is), here:

"Whatever, Kimmo" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Wednesday March 24, @04:26PM (#31603046) Journal

?

WTF??

APK

P.S.=> I honestly have never heard that term before... is it like, some new form of "ebonics" or something (like a non-English language term)?

LOL, or are YOU attempting to invent some new term on your own??

I mean, hey - You come in here, trolling me, & you also do so in name tossing & dispense your English writing critiques directed my way (oldest troll trick in the book, lol) minus a PHD in English on YOUR PART/to your name-credit!

(To top that off, then, lmao... Then, lmao... you attempted to offer your "expert prognosis" on my mental state, again lacking a PHD on your part/to your name-credit in psychology as well (plus your lacking a license to practice that, or your having performed a formal diagnostic on myself in order to do so as well))

Please - give us a break, ok?

Get over your OCD (or whatever it is), & accept you have been shown as just another troll beaten by facts...

Facts that showed via valid tests, charts, & yes, articles showing anyone reading them that time & again, OPERA HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE THE SAFEST & FASTEST BROWSER THERE IS, WITH THE LARGEST NATIVE FEATURESET BUILT RIGHT IN, NATIVELY ALSO... here they are again, for your reference:

----

1.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087

2.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

4.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

5.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers

----

(Want more?)

Clone, please - You wno't even acknowledge those legitimate articles, tests, charts & more... lol, again: "Gee, I wonder why?" - because "inquiring minds want to know", lol... ('too, Too, TOO EASY!!!")

LOL, man - It is TRULY hilarious in you continuously saying I didn't post any valid information backing that claim on my part, when I repeatedly have (poor showing Mr. Troll)... & of course?

"too, Too, TOO EASY!!!"... apk

Per my subject-line above, & these articles + their tests (which you "conveniently avoid", lmao ("gee, I wonder why" - 'inquiring minds want to know", lol))? Such things already have shown & PROVEN OPERA IS THE FASTEST & SAFEST WEBBROWSER PROGRAM ON THE FACE OF THIS PLANET CURRENTLY & IN THE PAST TOO CONSISTENTLY, + WITH THE LARGEST NATIVE FEATURESET BUILT-IN NATIVELY... again, for your reference:

----

1.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087

2.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

4.) Same here -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

5.) Yet again/once more? Same story -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers

----

(Want more?)

Clone, please - You wno't even acknowledge those legitimate articles, tests, charts & more... lol, again: "Gee, I wonder why?" - because "inquiring minds want to know", lol... ('too, Too, TOO EASY!!!")

APK

P.S.=> Once more, on the subject of checking on which browsers are the FASTEST & SAFEST? Well - again, I make a sort of, well, "pet project/hobby" of this in fact, call it a personal interest, (so I can decide which web-browser is truly, "the SUPERIOR WARRIOR" out here is all): Clone, you've really given a SERIOUSLY weak showing here... apk

See subject-line, & these articles, charts, & tests below (that show Opera's superior speed in all things "web"):

"I said AN ARTICLE, not OFFTOPIC COMMENTS." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Wednesday March 24, @04:38PM (#31603222)

These are all charts, tests, articles... or, are you blind (or just being silly)?

1.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087

2.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

----

And here are a few more, just for "good measure" that I know of (I make a "pet project/hobby" of this in fact, call it a personal interest, so I can decide which web-browser is truly, "the SUPERIOR WARRIOR" out here is all):

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

and

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers

(Want more?)

APK

P.S.=> Clone, you've really given a SERIOUSLY weak showing here... apk

See subject-line above, & then the URL's to valid tests (old, middle aged, & NEW no less) that illustrate Opera's superiority in speed in all things "web" - I really thought you were better than that, but... oh well, apparently not (it's lies, or you cannot read & are illiterate, or you skim + miss things):

"Because you have avoided my simple request to submit a related article so we can discuss it." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Wednesday March 24, @04:05PM (#31602712)

I've been REPEATEDLY pasting these in @ your request to examine... & good luck "discussing" or debating facts they illustrate (that Opera's just PLAIN-JANE FASTER in all things "web"):

----

1.) SunSpider tests done here recently -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [pcpro.co.uk]

2.) AND IT HAS BEEN "BLOWING AWAY" FIREFOX IN HTML PARSING/PROCESSING SPEEDS AS WELL, & FOR YEARS NOW, per this test years ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win

3.) And this one too last year also -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

----

And here are a few more, just for "good measure" that I know of (I make a "pet project/hobby" of this in fact, call it a personal interest, so I can decide which web-browser is truly, "the SUPERIOR WARRIOR" out here is all):

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

and

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/08/1750241/Opera-Dominates-CNET-Survey-of-Underdog-Web-Browsers

(Want more?)

Opera kicked butt in those tests, overall, bigtime & especially in Speed (& iirc, on passing the ACID tests too as well) - I really wouldn't say it, if I wasn't pretty SURE it was the case... & besides, Opera's WIDELY KNOWN & often called "the fastest browser there is" as well as having the most features natively built in too (without the bloat & lag + possible errors addons often introduce into webbrowsers).

APK

P.S.=> I even tried to WARN YOU that I had this type of data "stacked up & ready" for that type of thing, but no... now? Now you are apparently REDUCED TO LYING (it's that, or you skim like hell or are illiterate)... thus, - I wonder, which of the 3 is the case here?)

"Ha, and you got tricked by a Opera or Chrome fanboy into replying. You know that's not going to make them change." - by zullnero (833754) on Thursday January 21, @04:01PM (#30851208) Homepage

Ok, then here are some FACTS for your to "mull over" then... ok?

NOW, as far as "SPEED & SECURITY" online, & Opera vs. FireFox vs. IE?? Ok:

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A.) For SPEED (& even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

and

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

AND

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

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AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

INTERNET EXPLORER 8.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/?task=advisories

(UNPATCHED = 4-8 / 50% (though 1 of them, the "Critical 'Out-of-Band' Cumulative Update IS patched, as of about 1 hr. ago (go get it those of you that use MS OS' that is...)))

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FIREFOX 3.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/25800/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-6 / 0% (on this note, as you can see? FF had MORE advisories, over time as I noted, but... they've done a GREAT JOB in stopping that much (now, the same has to be said for their browser addons too, but that too, improves over time as well usually))

Most Critical Unpatched

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

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OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-3 / 0% )

Most Critical Unpatched

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

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Opera ROCKS, period (or, do the stats above make me a liar? I think not...)!

Plus, Opera's been able to pass the "ACID TESTS" (ACID2 specfically) for compliance to web-based standards since version 6.x iirc, & it was (iirc) actually the FIRST BROWSER (not development kit) to do so, but when counting dev kits, it was 2nd... correct me if I am "off" here on this last point though, guys, & thanks.

APK

P.S.=> Opera has a BIG "share-of-market" on MOBILE DEVICES as well, & is big in EUROPE (though stats don't tend to show it, because like many others, I tend to "IDENTIFY AS IE" in Opera, so I get somewhat better "IE based" page renderings on SOME sites (this happens, too bad) & that's something others seem to overlook QUITE A BIT too)...

Once more, imo @ least? Well - Opera's great!

I.E.-> It took me away from being a FireFox user primarily in fact, because of it (& FF + IE have copied Opera's features RAMPANTLY over time (e.g.-> Tabbed Browsing anyone? As far as ADDONS also?? Heh, a LOT of what FF

"Firefox 3.6 does beat the newest Chrome on some Javascript benchmarks (and Chrome beats Firefox on others)." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21, @03:06PM (#30850216)

LOL: WoW... when you come right down to it though, my man? That's hilarious... it really is!

(Especially in today's "over-plagued by javascript-based attacks" of the internet today!)

After all - Most attack that hit you USE javascript in malscripted webpages &/or malscripted adbanners, period (or via email attacks & malscripted .pdf files).

Facts ARE FACTS.

NOW, as far as "SPEED & SECURITY" online, & Opera vs. FireFox vs. IE?? Ok:

====

A.) For SPEED (& even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

and

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

AND

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

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AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

INTERNET EXPLORER 8.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/?task=advisories

(UNPATCHED = 4-8 / 50% (though 1 of them, the "Critical 'Out-of-Band' Cumulative Update IS patched, as of about 1 hr. ago (go get it those of you that use MS OS' that is...)))

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FIREFOX 3.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/25800/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-6 / 0% (on this note, as you can see? FF had MORE advisories, over time as I noted, but... they've done a GREAT JOB in stopping that much (now, the same has to be said for their browser addons too, but that too, improves over time as well usually))

Most Critical Unpatched

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

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OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-3 / 0% )

Most Critical Unpatched

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

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Opera ROCKS, period (or, do the stats above make me a liar? I think not...)!

Plus, Opera's been able to pass the "ACID TESTS" (ACID2 specfically) for compliance to web-based standards since version 6.x iirc, & it was (iirc) actually the FIRST BROWSER (not development kit) to do so, but when counting dev kits, it was 2nd... correct me if I am "off" here on this last point though, guys, & thanks.

APK

P.S.=> Opera has a BIG "share-of-market" on MOBILE DEVICES as well, & is big in EUROPE (though stats don't tend to show it, because like many others, I tend to "IDENTIFY AS IE" in Opera, so I get somewhat better "IE based" page renderings on SOME sites (this happens, too bad) & that's something others s

"Whether you like it or not, Opera is *massive* in Europe and has a far greater market share than you'd like to believe." - by A Friendly Troll (1017492) on Tuesday January 19, @05:28PM (#30825616)

Per my subject-line above: Well, I BELIEVE YOU, & here are the reasons as to why:

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A.) For SPEED (& even in javascript for the LONGEST time, until FF's new engines took its place (until Opera 10.50 @ least, because that's gotten a decent "boost" in that area -> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/22/1911216 (not that it matters though, speeding up javascript is like asking to get infected by malscripted sites &/or adbanners faster imo @ least - that of a "POV" of PC security, mostly)):

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

and

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cnetuk/crave/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

AND

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(Opera "rocked the planet" in those cases... bigtime (& ESPECIALLY ON THE MOST USED PLATFORM THERE IS, BAR-NONE, FOR PC-COMPUTING: Windows!))

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AND, for SECURITY also (less vulnerabilities present over time than IE or FF, per SECUNIA.COM stats):

INTERNET EXPLORER 8.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/?task=advisories

(UNPATCHED = 4-8 / 50% (though 1 of them, the "Critical 'Out-of-Band' Cumulative Update IS patched, as of about 1 hr. ago (go get it those of you that use MS OS' that is...)))

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FIREFOX 3.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

(UNPATCHED = 0-6 / 0% (on this note, as you can see? FF had MORE advisories, over time as I noted, but... they've done a GREAT JOB in stopping that much (now, the same has to be said for their browser addons too, but that too, improves over time as well usually))

Most Critical Unpatched

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

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OPERA 10.x VULNERABILITIES STATS:(01/21/2010)

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/?task=statistics

(UNPATCHED = 0-3 / 0% )

Most Critical Unpatched

There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied..

====

Opera ROCKS, period (or, do the stats above make me a liar? I think not...) &, it's been able to pass the "ACID TESTS" for compliance to web-based standards since version 6.x iirc, & it was (iirc) actually the FIRST BROWSER (not development kit) to do so, but when counting dev kits, it was 2nd... correct me if I am "off" here on this last point though, guys, & thanks.

APK

P.S.=> Again though, I tend to believe you (& Opera has a BIG "share-of-market" on MOBILE DEVICES as well, which others seem to overlook QUITE A BIT too)... Once more, imo @ least? Well - Opera's great!

I.E.-> It took me away from being a FireFox user primarily in fact, because of it (& FF + IE have copied Opera's features RAMPANTLY over time (e.g.-> Tabbed Browsing anyone? As far as ADDONS also?? Heh, a LOT of what FF has in browser addons, Opera already has natively (minus the CPU usage + speed hits & security vulnerabilities that webbrowser addons introduce (more than potentially too, ala Greasemonkey having that before (as only 1 single example)))... apk

Want to throw Opera in there?

For the tests linked to here the latest official release is slightly slower than Chrome, but the latest alpha build is significantly faster than chrome.

"Opera's built-in ad and JavaScript blocking isn't nearly as convenient as Adblock+ or NoScript." - by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12, @05:11PM (#30743544)

How difficult is right-clicking on a page, & using the popup menu items of EDIT SITE PREFERENCES to control cookies, frames, popups, scripts, or other content types, as well as the browser type you identify as?

(Couple those built-in features of Opera with a custom HOSTS file, which uses 0 cpu cycles (unlike browser add ons, which also have their share of security vulnerabities issues too @ times) since it is only a filter really! HOSTS files are also easily edited via any text editor like notepad.exe (or easily turned on/off by simply renaming the HOSTS file), and you have complete & easily controlled & edited access to most anything "web" online using a HOSTS file, AND on a "per-site" basis (& then your firewall + antivirus/antispyware combination does the rest pretty much)).

APK

P.S.=> Plus, generally, Opera has been found faster OVERALL than Mozilla/Firefox browsers (and even on Javascript processing, in the past, such as is shown here -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win and did so again, even more recently (06.2009) here too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm

However, afaik & lately, FF took the lead in javascript processing ONLY afaik, but has it? See, check this site's results on that note of javascript processing speeds also -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ ...

Thus, Opera 10.50 MAY change that back to Opera taking the lead there once more IF ff took another "temporary lead" too!

Opera 10.5 is available here -> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/index.dml/tag/10.5 for testing that on your own...

(Even though javascript is the "gateway" to most of what has been infecting people the past few years now more than older methods of infecting others online by malware makers/hackers-crackers etc. et al)... apk

"since they are insignificant in the browser market I'd probably do the same thing. This is a lame piece of news, companies blow larger deals on much sillier situations than this. It's just Opera trying to drum up some users." - by sulfide (1382739) on Tuesday July 21, @08:53AM (#28768555)

Not knocking FireFox/Mozilla really, they do a nice product & I've worked with their teams fixing bugs on various sites etc. et al, but... they're NO OPERA, in terms of performance, memory footprint, speed overall consistently, & security vulnerabilities patching (as well as meeting standards, but, here? FF seems to do more pages 'correctly', but, that's a matter of useragent string as a fix usually (report as IE, hassles go away many times), + webpage devs building MOSTLY around IE &/or FireFox instead)...

Considering Opera's OVERALL faster (when all factors are tested, Opera USUALLY comes out "on top" of the competition, for more speed & efficiency in various tests of browser speed (such as this one -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html + others such as -> http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ & more (available upon request, just ask, I will put them out))?

It keeps Opera's competition on their toes, so-to-speak - they "steal" ideas from Opera, rampantly, & yes FireFox has surpassed Opera in javascript parsing + processing speeds lately, but, that same "gain" turned up a loss in the next url below (1st one):

AND, that Opera is overall the most secure (i.e.-> consistently bearing less known & unpatched security vulnerabilities, for YEARS now no less, this HAS been the case) than BOTH of its main competitors in FireFox (yes, even v.3.51 lately, has "holes again", per this url from here @ /. no less) -> New Firefox Vulnerability Revealed http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/19/169206/New-Firefox-Vulnerability-Revealed & Microsoft Internet Explorer -> http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ vs. Opera -> http://secunia.com/advisories/product/10615/

That anyone, with ANY SENSE, that is, knows which webbrowser not only performs the best, pound for pound, but also which one keeps you safest online (& has features natively "built-in" that other webbrowsers have to use addons for, or imitate, to achieve the same levels of excellence in 1 package)...

APK

P.S.=> Lastly, considering Opera generally makes passing the "ACID tests" (for browser std.s compliance) a snap usually, & they are usually the first OR amongst the first that pass it? Well... to quote Microsoft? "Where do YOU want to go, today?"... Opera! apk

That's funny. I downloaded Opera 10 to test out a bug I'd noticed in v. 9.X on my own site: Anything that has an outline attribute set is drawn incorrectly. I have a dropdown list with an image below it; the image has an outline. When the dropdown is rendered, the outline of the underlying image is drawn superimposed on the dropdown. (A border on the image is drawn as expected - only outline is affected). Guess what? Opera 10 still shows the same behavior. Hell, this works in every browser I've tested that supports outline - except Opera.

Curious, I did a search for "opera outline css bug" and found this page from 2003 reporting an issue. Page works fine in Firefox. In Opera 10 it displays some weird behavior - outlines are drawn, but not removed after hover; some outlines partially disappear, and one never appears.

Opera 10 might pass Acid3 but that doesn't mean it's perfect. What matters is not whether a browser passes these relatively arbitrary tests; what matters is whether the browser is usable on a well-designed web page. I'd much rather see people get excited about compliance. I'd be a lot happier if developers would spend time working to fix longstanding bugs, and spend spare time working on other issues like the Acid tests. Real-world performance is much more important than bragging rights.

Gee, maybe someone can come up with an Acid4 test, which consists of nothing except a long list of single rendering tests based on the W3C documentation for CCS1, CSS2 and CSS3...

horrible at JavaScript, HTML and standard compliance With Firefox, Opera and Chrome why would a sane person even want to use IE? IE still trails almost every other browser in JavaScript performance, try it for yourself. http://nontroppo.org/timer/progressive_raytracer.html

On Acid3, Opera is ahead of everyone except Safari nightlies (an experimental Opera build reaches 100/100). JavaScript isn't slow (look at these speed gains in 9.5 compared to older versions and other browsers), it just hasn't applied all the things to the JS engine that other browsers have (experimentally). So how you can conclude that Opera is falling behind is slightly strange.

"So, we don't like the current stats because they make us look bad; so lets try to create a new "standard" which will make us look better? A standard that can only really be applied to open source, because you can't see the bug count in closed source?

Wow. That really smells." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 05, @05:09AM (#24064781)

Agreed, 110%... instead of WASTING TIME doing that (well, there is no guarantee that Rich Mogull can actually DO anything more than that, let alone code to help the Mozilla dev team, OR even actively test the program trying to screw it up, finding another form of 'bug', not just security ones), fix the known unpatched security issues & you do NOT have to go about this b.s., period...

AS IT STANDS, NOW TODAY/CURRENTLY?

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SECUNIA DATA ON BROWSER SECURITY (dated 07/04/2008 - "4th July U.S.A."):
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Opera 9.51 (new release) security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=advisories

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FireFox 3.x security advisories @ SECUNIA (100% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/19089/

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IE 7 (latest cumulative update from MS) security advisories @ SECUNIA (34% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12366/

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Those %'s are the latest for FireFox 3.x, IE7 after last "patch Tuesday" from MS with the "CUMULATIVE IE UPDATES" they have (see the security downloads URL I post in the 12 steps above to secure yourself), & Opera 9.51... ALL, "latest/greatest" models.

So, as you can see? Well, NOT ONLY IS OPERA MORE SECURE/BEARING LESS SECURITY VULNERABILITIES?

It's faster too, on just about ANYTHING a browser does, & is probably the MOST standards compliant browser under the sun (not counting HTML dev tools). This is borne out in these tests:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

AND, yes others (most recently in Javascript parsing speeds, oddly enough, lol... given the topic of my post here that is), right here:

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

NEW NEWS/NEWSFLASH: FF3 is "king of the heap" here now, in javascript parsing speeds, but of what gain is this? Security risks abound in running javascript on "every site under the sun"... limiting it to sites you absolutely NEED it for is the way, IF you wish to stay safer online that is.

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Opera's just more std.'s compliant - for example, having passed all the ACID (2/3 before anyone on the latter & one of the first for the former no less), plus it's faster + MULTIPLATFORM, & more secure than the others out there - thus, it's an "all-around" overall best solution!

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QUESTION - So, "where do you want to go today?"...

ANSWER = Opera (if you're into speed, security, & std.'s compliance + using a webbrowser that runs on most any platform out there for computing is where).

APK

P.S.=> Thank goodness the poster before myself can "see", & cut thru the fog of lies/crap this really is... fix the bugs? No reason to have to do such stupidity... apk

"So simple a grandmother can use it" - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 17, @08:57AM (#23445002) Do you want to keep grandma safe online though, especially online TODAY (virus/spyware/trojan ridden hell @ times online), is the question:

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SECUNIA DATA ON BROWSER SECURITY (dated 05/14/2008):
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Opera 9.27 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=advisories

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FireFox 2.0.0.14 security advisories @ SECUNIA (17% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12434/

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IE 7 (latest cumulative update from MS) security advisories @ SECUNIA (36% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12366/

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Those %'s are the latest for FireFox 2.0.0.14, IE7 after last "patch Tuesday" from MS with the "CUMULATIVE IE UPDATES" they have (see the security downloads URL I post in the 12 steps above to secure yourself), & Opera 9.27... all latest/greatest models.

So, as you can see? NOT ONLY IS OPERA MORE SECURE/BEARING LESS SECURITY VULNERABILITIES?

It's faster too, on just about ANYTHING a browser does, & is probably the MOST standards compliant browser under the sun (not counting HTML dev tools). This is borne out in these tests:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

AND, yes others (most recently in Javascript parsing speeds), right here:

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

Opera's just more std.'s compliant - for example, having passed all the ACID (2/3 before anyone on the latter & one of the first for the former no less), plus it's faster + MULTIPLATFORM, & more secure than the others out there - thus, it's an "all-around" overall best solution!

QUESTION - So, "where do you want to go today?"...

ANSWER = Opera (if you're into speed, security, & std.'s compliance + using a webbrowser that runs on most any platform out there for computing is where).

APK

P.S.=> Especially for "grandma's sake"...

Now, don't get me wrong - I like FireFox too!

Overall, it's a great piece of work overall & their fix team is F A S T when you notify them of site incompatibilities bugs etc. (I did so a few years back for NTCompatible.com, due to the fact they have their own unique "homemade" board engine, that's actually pretty decent, for their forums - FF's team wrote me that day, fixed it later that day, & came to visit us the next day even (talk about personable service!))

However - FF's team really does need to nail the "bugs" (security vulnerabilities) down more is all, for me to use it, & to trust it for even grandma online... apk

• Faster startup,
• faster rendering and scripts,
• faster page loading,
• polished UI,
• more advanced/less buggy engine,
• cool experimental CSS.

"Yeah, Opera can do it" - by ceoyoyo (59147) on Wednesday March 26, @05:23PM (#22874326) Yes, they can & HAVE: OPERA PASSES ACID3 TEST FIRST:

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2008/03/26/opera-and-the-acid3-test

AND, Opera's fsster than its competitors, OVERALL on the most OS platforms (since it is multiplatform, like FF but NOT IE (or as uch so in IE that is, since it runs on MacOS X too, but NOT Linux/*NIX (even on Javascript processing too (as well as commonly being accepted as "the world's fastest webbrowser program" in Opera, on ALL/other fronts, evidenced below in legitimate testing))):

BROWSER SPEED TEST COMPARISON:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED TEST:

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(RECENTLY/HOWEVER - This category of Javascript processing speed MAY has FireFox in 1st place, currently, in THIS category (for now that is), & via their FF3 beta, IIRC!))

AND, Opera's more secure also:

SECUNIA DATA ON BROWSER SECURITY (dated 03/28/2008):

Opera 9.26 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=advisories

FireFox 2.0.0.13 security advisories @ SECUNIA (18% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12434/

IE 7 (latest cumulative update from MS) security advisories @ SECUNIA (35% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12366/

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"but isn't going to release the capability -- wonderful." - by ceoyoyo (59147) on Wednesday March 26, @05:23PM (#22874326) The development temn @ Opera, WAIT until something is done, & done right - unlike their competition, as is evidneced by the amount of security holes & vulnerabilities present in them (including Mozilla variants AND Ms IE) noted below:

(By the way - IF you read the above URL? The Opera team will be releasing the build this week... look for one past nightly snapshot .9841!)

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"Safari 3.1 is a full release" - by ceoyoyo (59147) on Wednesday March 26 Yea, full alright - SAFARI IS FULL OF SECURITY HOLES:

Safari 3.1 For Windows Violates Its Own EULA, Vulnerable To Hacks

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/27/129236

(That is VERY recent also, like the past 1-2 days - FAR from "stale" news, that above - granted, NOW it's patched, but the point's there!)

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"and Firefox is a publicly available beta release" - by ceoyoyo (59147) on Wednesday March 26 That is again, FULL of holes, per the evidences above (& not as fast as Opera is on ALL possibly tested fronts, as noted in ths URL below):

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"In my book Opera is losing the race. The race is silly, but Opera is still losing" - by ceoyoyo (59147) on Wednesday March 26, @05:23PM (#22874326) Based on ALL of the data above, which IS easily verified & from reputable sources? I'd have to say your book needs revision...

APK

"Yeah, Opera can do it" - by ceoyoyo (59147) on Wednesday March 26, @05:23PM (#22874326) Yes, they can & HAVE: OPERA PASSES ACID3 TEST FIRST:

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2008/03/26/opera-and-the-acid3-test

AND, Opera's fsster than its competitors, OVERALL on the most OS platforms (since it is multiplatform, like FF but NOT IE (or as uch so in IE that is, since it runs on MacOS X too, but NOT Linux/*NIX (even on Javascript processing too (as well as commonly being accepted as "the world's fastest webbrowser program" in Opera, on ALL/other fronts, evidenced below in legitimate testing))):

BROWSER SPEED TEST COMPARISON:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING SPEED TEST:

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

(RECENTLY/HOWEVER - This category of Javascript processing speed MAY has FireFox in 1st place, currently, in THIS category (for now that is), & via their FF3 beta, IIRC!))

AND, Opera's more secure also:

SECUNIA DATA ON BROWSER SECURITY (dated 11/29/2007):

Opera 9.26 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=advisories

FireFox 2.0.0.13 security advisories @ SECUNIA (18% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12434/

IE 7 (latest cumulative update from MS) security advisories @ SECUNIA (35% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12366/

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"but isn't going to release the capability -- wonderful." - by ceoyoyo (59147) on Wednesday March 26, @05:23PM (#22874326) The development temn @ Opera, WAIT until something is done, & done right - unlike their competition, as is evidneced by the amount of security holes & vulnerabilities present in them (including Mozilla variants AND Ms IE) noted below:

(By the way - IF you read the above URL? The Opera team will be releasing the build this week... look for one past nightly snapshot .9841!)

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"Safari 3.1 is a full release" - by ceoyoyo (59147) on Wednesday March 26 Yea, full alright - SAFARI IS FULL OF SECURITY HOLES:

Safari 3.1 For Windows Violates Its Own EULA, Vulnerable To Hacks

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/27/129236

(That is VERY recent also, like the past 1-2 days - FAR from "stale" news, that above)

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"and Firefox is a publicly available beta release" - by ceoyoyo (59147) on Wednesday March 26 That is again, FULL of holes, per the evidences above (& not as fast as Opera is on ALL possibly tested fronts, as noted in ths URL below):

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"In my book Opera is losing the race. The race is silly, but Opera is still losing" - by ceoyoyo (59147) on Wednesday March 26, @05:23PM (#22874326)

Based on ALL of the data above, which IS easily verified & from reputable sources? I'd have to say your book needs revision...

APK

"use Firefox and install NoScript. When you find a site that requires JavaScript (Youtube, I'm looking at you) just add it into the allowed list" - by ladadadada (454328) on Wednesday January 09, @03:45AM (#21966160) Homepage Opera does the job, better, because it is faster & safer, first of all... see this info., first:

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SECUNIA DATA ON BROWSER SECURITY (dated 12/31/2007)

Opera 9.25 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=advisories

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Netscape 9.0.0.5 (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/14690/

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FireFox 2.0.0.11 security advisories @ SECUNIA (26% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12434/

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IE 7 (latest cumulative update from MS) security advisories @ SECUNIA (33% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12366/

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Those %'s are the latest for FireFox 2.0.0.11, Netscape 9.0.0.5, IE7 after last "patch Tuesday" from MS with the "CUMULATIVE IE UPDATES" they have & Opera 9.25... all latest/greatest models.

So, as you can see? Well, NOT ONLY IS OPERA MORE SECURE/BEARING LESS SECURITY VULNERABILITIES?

It's faster too, on just about ANYTHING a browser does[/b], & is probably one of the MOST standards compliant browser under the sun (not counting HTML dev tools) on multiple OS platforms.

OPERA = FASTER OVERALL & ON THE MOST OS PLATFORMS TOO - This is borne out in these tests:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

AND, yes others (most recently in Javascript parsing speeds), right here:

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

Opera's just more std.'s compliant, faster, & more secure (overall combined) than the others... so, "where do you want to go today?"...

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ALL that, & WITHOUT having to use a 3rd party addon (like FireFox has in its .zpi ones), & thus, natively in its OWN featureset (fastest & safest browser there is that also passes most all standards tests well no less)...

That's done via its TOOLS menu -> Quick Preferences submenu item TO BLOCK JAVASCRIPT wholesale/universally & EASILY, first.

Secondly, IF you find a site you like that you ABSOLUTELY NEED to use Javascript (a key vector & tool used in today's attacks, even thru adbanners, just as bad ActiveX controls have been found to do, as well as Flash/Shockwave exploits also) on?

Then, heck - right click that site's page, & use Opera's native "EDIT SITE PREFENCES" popup menu item, & enable that which you need (the CONTENT &/or SCRIPTING tabs provide MOST of what you need to alter, even IFrames/Frames usage too, another present possible danger)!

(The ONLY thing NoScript MIGHT have over Opera's native feature is blocking javascript BY SOURCE, meaning some adbanners & such might show, others not, due to what YOU personally pick... & personally? That's nice, for a developer feature @ MOST imo... because in MY book @ least? Once a site's been shown to say, have BAD adbanners (but, decent content)?? I would block their adbanner servers WHOLESALE, anyhow... so, why would I want to see ANY of their banners @ that point?? To get infected???)

"Ah, personally I'd choose Firefox. I lean towards the more technical side of things, anyway." - by Drive42 (444835) on Wednesday November 21, @12:45PM (#21437307) Don't you mean you lean to the INSECURE side of things? Or, is this data incorrect when comparing Opera to FireFox:

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SECUNIA DATA ON BROWSER SECURITY (dated 11/20/2007):
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Opera 9.24 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=advisories

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FireFox 2.0.0.9 security advisories @ SECUNIA (29% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12434/

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Perhaps you meant you like to surf SLOWER (as well as less secure), per this data:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

AND, yes others (most recently in Javascript parsing speeds), right here:

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

To each his own... You claim to be more on the "technical side of things" & your choice indicates you are not very technical regarding security, OR speed/efficiency.

http://blog.pavlov.net/2007/11/10/memory-fragmentation/

An interesting read on how memory fragmentation adversely affects FireFox... & why/how.

APK

P.S.=> I also recommend Opera for these reasons (less security holes period, & the 1 it had yesterday? Patched yesterday too... fast!)

SECUNIA DATA ON BROWSER SECURITY (dated 11/20/2007):

Opera 9.24 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=advisories

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Netscape 9.0.0.3 (0% unpatched)

http://secunia.com/product/14690/

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FireFox 2.0.0.9 security advisories @ SECUNIA (29% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12434/

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IE 7 (latest cumulative update from MS) security advisories @ SECUNIA (37% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12366/

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Those %'s are the latest for FireFox 2.0.0.9, Netscape 9.0.0.3, IE7 after last "patch Tuesday" from MS with the "CUMULATIVE IE UPDATES" they have (see the security downloads URL I post in the 12 steps above to secure yourself), & Opera 9.24... all latest/greatest models.

So, as you can see?

Well, NOT ONLY IS OPERA MORE SECURE/BEARING LESS SECURITY VULNERABILITIES?

It's faster too, on just about ANYTHING a browser does, & is probably the MOST standards compliant browser under the sun (not counting HTML dev tools). This is borne out in these tests:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

AND, yes others (most recently in Javascript parsing speeds, oddly enough, lol... given the topic of my post here that is), right here:

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

Opera's just more std.'s compliant, faster, & more secure than the others... so, "where do you want to go today?"...

apk

LOL! Ok, sure... lesser minds like to surf faster, & more securely, than they do with other browsers (AND, have all the features other browsers needs addons (which MAY or MAY NOT BE SECURELY CODED mind you)) to do!

Evidences?

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SECUNIA DATA ON BROWSER SECURITY (dated 10/20/2007):
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Opera 9.24 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=advisories

* NETSCAPE 9.0.0.3 also qualifies here, as does Opera, with 0% unpatched known bugs/issues!

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FireFox 2.0.0.9 security advisories @ SECUNIA (25% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12434/

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IE 7 (latest cumulative update from MS) security advisories @ SECUNIA (40% unpatched):

http://secunia.com/product/12366/

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Those %'s are the latest for FireFox 2.0.0.9, Netscape 9.0.0.3 (decent one but not as natively fully feature packed without addons as Opera is, nor is it as fast overall), & IE7 after last "patch Tuesday" from MS with the "CUMULATIVE IE UPDATES" they have (see the security downloads URL I post in the 12 steps above to secure yourself), & Opera 9.24...

All latest/greatest models.

So, as you can see?

Well, NOT ONLY IS OPERA MORE SECURE/BEARING LESS SECURITY VULNERABILITIES?

It's faster too, on just about ANYTHING a browser does, & is probably the MOST standards compliant browser under the sun (not counting HTML dev tools). This is borne out in these tests:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

AND, yes others (most recently in Javascript parsing speeds, oddly enough, lol... given the topic of my post here that is), right here:

http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

Opera's just more std.'s compliant, faster, & more secure than the others... so, "where do you want to go today?"...

APK

P.S.=> We "lesser minds" of the net can only present the evidences noted above, vs. your great name-tossing wisdom... lol! apk

Check http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/
9.5 blows out everything else

this is interesting
Check Ray tracer test http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/
9.5 traces 59000 DIVs with quite ease compared to FF and IE.

Here are some further more in-depth tests on Opera 9.5 for anyone interested.