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They have a nicely written, in-depth piece on AOL's new head master, Dick Parsons, as he deals with the trials and tribulations of running such a large, well-known company as AOL.

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It's been a while since I posted a journal, and there's a few new happenings.

I got another story submitted. I'm really surprised I got this one, since I'm sure the stupid Lunix fanboys submitted this 500 times. Of course, the discussion that followed was purely anti-Microsoft, even though there are a billion LUnix systems out there that are vulnerable to other exploits, and can be just as big a pain to patch. Fucking hypocrites.

I'm improving in my ability to karma whore, as you can see. As I type this, I've got "Positive" karma, and I ping-pong pretty freely between Positive, Bad and Neutral. Not bad. Hell, I've even posted a blatant anti-michael post logged in and not been any worse for wear.

With positive karma, I'm metamodding several times a day now, pretty much marking everything as "unfair" (unless it's a troll, who's karma whoring and has been modded up. Then I either stay neutral or metamod "Fair" or "Funny"). $20 says I spend more time meta-moderating than most -- and I'm doing it for the sole purpose of getting the signal/noise ratio as low as possible. I wish my other accounts were able to metamod.

On to the subject of this little Journal: Predators improve the breed. It's occurred to me that my work, and the work of the many trolls (most of which are far more competent than I) might actually make Slashdot better if Taco were to begin listening to them. He's mentioned in his journal that he's heard all the grousing about moderation, which means grousing is not going unheard.

Don't get me wrong -- CmdrTaco is still an idiot, totally out of his league running a site like this. But the fact that he puts oil on the squeaky wheels means he has ears and can be annoyed. Unfortunatly the "oil" is an even more fucked-up moderation system, hamfistedly added to allow editors to put the "squeaky wheels" (trolls) into more-and-more-soundproof rooms instead of solving the problem. You know why divorces happen? Because the people in the relationship don't address their problems. Instead they push them aside and try their hardest to ignore them until they can't any longer, spending more energy ignoring them than they do dealing with them.

Why not just meet the issues head-on?

1) Ditch the irrational, unprofessional condescending LUnix fanboyism from the editors. As FortKnox says, "Lunix isn't always the answer. Microsoft isn't always the problem."

2) Before publishing articles, have the common sense to spellcheck and fact-check them. Is it a dupe? If you want to preserve the stupidity of the submitter, just put some "[sic]" marks in the article.

3) Don't pull a michael and add unnecessary snide remarks. It's unprofessional.

4) If you won't do #1, #2 and #3, please drop any pretense of being objective or even rational. It's insulting.

5) For fuck's sake, stop pretending you're not censoring. Stop insulting your readers' intelligence and just admit that the mod system is there so editors can ensure Slashdot reflects THEIR opinions, not those of the readers. Then you can do what you really want to do: delete comments and users that you don't like.

6) The only redeeming quality of michael is that he seems to post fewer (if any) duplicate articles. Fire him. If that's not enough, please fire him because he's the only editor with the sense to check for dupes, which probably makes the other editors jealous. Does he have rich parents or something? Is he paying Slashdot to keep him occupied so he can research his petty conspiracy lunacy?

7) I'm fully capable of reading Wired, The Register, CNN and The New York Times all by myself, and I won't get Slashdot's editorial bias or mind-numbingly stupid interpretations by Slashdot editors and article submitters. Sooner or later, even the stupidest of your drooling LUnix fanboys will realize this and leave. How about stopping Slashdot from becoming the unofficial comment board for these sites?

See, Taco, that's what a lot of the grousing seems to be about. If you were to truly embrace your Liberal sensibilities, you'd see that your Predators -- your trolls -- are trying to improve their Prey -- Slashdot. It's Darwinian, you stupid twat, but you're too dense to see it.

YHBT. HAND.

My rejected submission -- more details, but a bit long. The big news in my mind was not the microsoft bit--it was that ATM machines were unavilable because of the worm.

~~~

The worm that slowed the internet to a crawl over the weekend apparently did more damage than most originally believed. On Monday, many companies were still struggling to clean up. Financial companies and airlines seemed to be hit most acutely. Many web sites that manage payments and check loans were inaccessible. Inexplicably--and really inexcusably--some ATMS were also unavailable. Investigators are also struggling to pinpoint the worms starting point, but are having little success because it took off so fast.

Apparently similar code was released by David Litchfield of NGS Software Inc a few months ago. Virus "author," "Lion" credited Litchfield's code.

The Washington Post has an AP story up as well as this, which is older but has some additional details. The kicker to all this--the worm hit one year after Microsoft launched its "Trustworthy Computing." That and even some of Microsoft's own computers were hit (NYT Reg. Req.).

(Yep, still bitter ;-) )

According to the NY Times Article it is actually only 1 dollar per song. However, Kazaa has completed 7 uploads in the past 3 hours, so the final total stands similarly.

All the usual exhortations apply - every /.er who has ever enjoyed an MP3 should write Congressmen, bring it up whenever you see these guys at one of their town meetings, talk it up with off-line and on-line peers, donate to the EFF, etc., etc. And more to the point, work for clean elections and campaign finance reform. For those too lazy to participate, maybe you should wake up:

For the Americans stopping by here - what kind of country do you want to live in? We already have one failed war against our own citizens, the drug war. Do we need a second? Do you really want your law-enforcement efforts going to this instead of protecting people and homes? Do you want Gestapo-like efforts by your own government to stop all this "crime"? For those homeowners out there, do you want to be paying for prisons to house people that are downloading songs? It's time for everyone to tell Congress what they think the response should be to the Eldred/Ashcroft decision, and how copyright should really work.

And if you're lazy about writing letters, and no one likes those form letters any more, make up a few personal form letters (nobody here can't run a computer) and pop out a different one round-robin every so often. Write those guys early, write often. It's your life, and that of everyone you know.

"... the [Clinton-era] Forest Service actually relied on public comment when it developed its "roadless rule," intended to protect 58 million acres of undeveloped national forest from most commercial logging and road building. It drew 1.6 million comments, the most ever in the history of federal rule-making. Almost all the comments -- 95 percent -- supported the protections but wanted the plan to go even further, which it eventually did.
But the Bush administration delayed putting the rule into effect and sought more comments, receiving 726,000. Of those, it said that only 52,000, or 7 percent, were "original," meaning that the administration discounted 93 percent of the comments. The rule is now being challenged in court."

MP3 downloads are a blessing to independent artists, and a curse to major label artists. It's a bell curve of success / downloads. Indepentent artists have been struggling against recording comanies for so long its unbelievable. back in 1999 the NYTimes did an article on a brilliant singer/songwriter named aimee mann who took the path many an independant artist has trod and started her own label after getting dicked around by the majors. Shes now one of the most downloaded musicians, and why should record companies complauin sice they refused to produce her in the first place? Record companies focus on marketing, and they only produce bands that fit one of their narrow demographics.

send a letter here NYTimes Corrections

Bitching about it on /. does not help, my mom doesn't read slashdot. To really start to make change you have to participate in public discussion. One way is to let the authors of articles that spread mis-information that they are doing a disservice to their readers. Given enough complaints over time we might see some change in the way these issues get reported. I think the nytimes is one of the last credible news sources and has not been proven to be a shill for the pigopolists, maybe they will listen. But we will never know till enough people let them know what news they are publishing is incorrect.

btw... journalists require facts. so don't email them that **pa blows chuncks. if you have an opinion about something try the op-ed

Actually, the link in the article doesn't require registration (thank Google for that).

Click and see for yourself. ;P

You can also find a local article from the Daily Iowan here: http://www.dailyiowan.com/news/351119.html?mkey=56 0858

"... the [Clinton-era] Forest Service actually relied on public comment when it developed its "roadless rule," intended to protect 58 million acres of undeveloped national forest from most commercial logging and road building. It drew 1.6 million comments, the most ever in the history of federal rule-making. Almost all the comments -- 95 percent -- supported the protections but wanted the plan to go even further, which it eventually did.

But the Bush administration delayed putting the rule into effect and sought more comments, receiving 726,000. Of those, it said that only 52,000, or 7 percent, were "original," meaning that the administration discounted 93 percent of the comments. The rule is now being challenged in court."

There's a very, very big irony here. The Bush team just got caught with their pants down by bloggers and others including Mike Magee at the Inquirer. It turns out they were sending out massive fake form emails to papers around the country, and bribing folks to sign their own names to them with "GOPoints" they could trade for prizes.

That story is now crossing over to the mainstream press with articles in Monday's New York Times. and (more intelligently) Paul Boutin's Slate article.

Another big irony: this story has been riding Blogdex for a week--a long techno-duel of marketing droids versus nerds armed mainly with Google. And the nerds won! Probably the only place you couldn't follow the action was here on Slashdot, the story was rejected three times. So the Superbowl is a better example of news that matters?

Inquirer article with screenshots of prizes you get for spamming your local paper.

"... the [Clinton-era] Forest Service actually relied on public comment when it developed its "roadless rule," intended to protect 58 million acres of undeveloped national forest from most commercial logging and road building. It drew 1.6 million comments, the most ever in the history of federal rule-making. Almost all the comments -- 95 percent -- supported the protections but wanted the plan to go even further, which it eventually did.

But the Bush administration delayed putting the rule into effect and sought more comments, receiving 726,000. Of those, it said that only 52,000, or 7 percent, were "original," meaning that the administration discounted 93 percent of the comments. The rule is now being challenged in court."

There's a very, very big irony here. The Bush team just got caught with their pants down by bloggers and others including Mike Magee at the Inquirer. It turns out they were sending out massive fake form emails to papers around the country, and bribing folks to sign their own names to them with "GOPoints" they could trade for prizes.

That story is now crossing over to the mainstream press with articles in Monday's New York Times. and (more intelligently) Paul Boutin's Slate article.

Another big irony: this story has been riding Blogdex for a week--a long techno-duel of marketing droids versus nerds armed mainly with Google. And the nerds won! Probably the only place you couldn't follow the action was here on Slashdot, the story was rejected three times. So the Superbowl is a better example of news that matters?

Inquirer article with screenshots of prizes you get for spamming your local paper.

Doesn't seem to be anything too high tech in this year's Superbowl, unlike the Video Insertion System 2 or the spiffy replay rotation thingy EyeVision 2 we've had in previous years.

You make some good points, but mine are better. :)

For instance, with movies like LoTR, nobody says they have to release it on VHS/DVD. Just show it in the theatre. Get your $10 per ticket. Peter Jackson's right to make a buck can peacefully co-exist with my right to cheaply make copies of my data and without government (or Hollywood) lording over my hard drive.

As for drugs...

Read this article from today's New York Times:

Drug Sales Bring Huge Profits, and Scrutiny, to Cancer Doctors

Then read this.

Letting people profit from drugs isn't all positive, there are some very dark sides to this as well.

Consider too the pharmaceutical industry's compromise with the U.N. over nations too poor to pay for I.P. drugs. The U.N. is now making the rounds telling countries that herbal and native medicines are bad, and that they should be phased out in favor of the new, expensive stuff.

In other words, drugs that have seen maybe five years of human use are being preferred over herbs that have been used over millenia.

Did you know that fully 20% of pharmaceutical drugs have to either be pulled from the marketplace or have their regimens radically altered because patients suffer severe consequences as a result?

Severe consequences including death?

If they show up I might get involved. If something like EFF exists in France, it certainly lacks publicity

Neither the French nor German governments are particulary interested in free speech. The fact that the US is would only discourage them from it.

perfessor multigeek, please used Google newsed links instead of links that require registration.

Sigh. NYTimes requires Javascript to pop up the picture of this beast.

Here's a direct link to the graphic.

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Cryptographer Matt Blaze (of AT&T),previously known for cracking the backdoor of the vaunted 'clipper chip' has submitted a publication to the IEEE journal "Security and Privacy" which demonstates that given an ordinary building key (like your office key or one borrowed for the rest room) you can get 'root' access to the entire building (i.e. a master key) with no more that about 30 guesses and $2.00 at the hardware store, and typically much less than that.

The crack works on virtually all locks and was inpsired by parallels to cryptographic analysis, reducing the search from exponential to linear, and exploiting 'key" generation weaknesses. Virtually all master-key locks are vulnerable.

There is also a story on the front page of the nytimes covering police verification of the threat including giving the instructions to a 15 year old.

courtesy of Google News

Fly over here, you bastards and get your reg-free link

Four winged freaks!

No doubt we're going to invade Iraq to free their people and bring them democracy, right?

Bush let the congress decide, and they decided to let Bush decide.

And clamping the international price of petroleum forever has nothing to do with it, right? And funneling several hundred billion dollars through the defense industry while ignoring the growing crowds of unemployed has nothing to do with it, right?

Lowering Oil price will help the war on terror by hurting Saudi arabia (our real, not-so-secret enemy). It will also help the unemployed by helping the economy.

And giving the top 5% income bracket lots of new tax breaks and only giving the rest of us a few hundred bucks has nothing to do with it, right?

It was the same % across the board, it was a proportional tax break at worst, and therefore didn't "favor" the rich. Also note that this was approved by the democrats in the senate.

And imposing the Christian version of the Taliban on us has nothing to do with it, right?

where has the bush administration abused its power (show me reputable news articles, not hair-brained conspiracy theory)?

And suspending our rights to privacy and due process so we don't get in their way has nothing to do with it, right? And, and...

The largest violation of our civil liberties in the past 2 years was the patriot act. The patriot act was approved by 320+ congressmen and opposed by 42. In the democrat-controlled senate, it was voted 99-0 (I think Jeffords abstained). Please note this important fact about the patriot act: Some of the language of the act was written under the clinton administration. Biding their time, I suppose, for reason to instate it, or sneak it into another "crime bill".

The 2nd largest violation of our personal privacy was this new-fangled homeland security bill. This doesn't take that many more civil liberties away, it simply provides facilities to process the unconstitutionally-collected information about you and me. I'm amazed this bill got more press than the patriot act, being as how it pales in comparison.. Then again I'm not really amazed, the patriot act was shortly after 9/11/01. Your bi-partisan, legally-elected, deceitful, and lying representatives used this tragedy to blind you while they stole your freedom out from under you. Kind of makes you wonder what those poor people really died for...


I'm no republican, but I still don't see where Bush has done anything legally wrong. Morally, I think his signing of the Patriot Act was wrong, but no moreso than the overwelming bi-partisan support it obtained. It makes me sad to think that ousting 1 man wouldn't solve the problem with power-hunger and corruption in the US government. Not even the removal his whole administration or his whole party would fix it. Both parties must go.

One thing Republicans and Democrats will always agree on: Third parties are their worst enemy.

Vote Libertarian

(posted anonymously to avoid possible investigation)

No doubt we're going to invade Iraq to free their people and bring them democracy, right?

Bush let the congress decide, and they decided to let Bush decide.

And clamping the international price of petroleum forever has nothing to do with it, right? And funneling several hundred billion dollars through the defense industry while ignoring the growing crowds of unemployed has nothing to do with it, right?

Lowering Oil price will help the war on terror by hurting Saudi arabia (our real, not-so-secret enemy). It will also help the unemployed by helping the economy.

And giving the top 5% income bracket lots of new tax breaks and only giving the rest of us a few hundred bucks has nothing to do with it, right?

It was the same % across the board, it was a proportional tax break at worst, and therefore didn't "favor" the rich. Also note that this was approved by the democrats in the senate.

And imposing the Christian version of the Taliban on us has nothing to do with it, right?

where has the bush administration abused its power (show me reputable news articles, not hair-brained conspiracy theory)?

And suspending our rights to privacy and due process so we don't get in their way has nothing to do with it, right? And, and...

The largest violation of our civil liberties in the past 2 years was the patriot act. The patriot act was approved by 320+ congressmen and opposed by 42. In the democrat-controlled senate, it was voted 99-0 (I think Jeffords abstained). Please note this important fact about the patriot act: Some of the language of the act was written under the clinton administration. Biding their time, I suppose, for reason to instate it, or sneak it into another "crime bill".

The 2nd largest violation of our personal privacy was this new-fangled homeland security bill. This doesn't take that many more civil liberties away, it simply provides facilities to process the unconstitutionally-collected information about you and me. I'm amazed this bill got more press than the patriot act, being as how it pales in comparison.. Then again I'm not really amazed, the patriot act was shortly after 9/11/01. Your bi-partisan, legally-elected, deceitful, and lying representatives used this tragedy to blind you while they stole your freedom out from under you. Kind of makes you wonder what those poor people really died for...


I'm no republican, but I still don't see where Bush has done anything legally wrong. Morally, I think his signing of the Patriot Act was wrong, but no moreso than the overwelming bi-partisan support it obtained. It makes me sad to think that ousting 1 man wouldn't solve the problem with power-hunger and corruption in the US government. Not even the removal his whole administration or his whole party would fix it. Both parties must go.

One thing Republicans and Democrats will always agree on: Third parties are their worst enemy.

Vote Libertarian

(posted anonymously to avoid possible investigation)

Sorry this is OT, but....

Are you trying to suggest that without hunting, wild populations would die out?

As a matter of fact, as you can see in this article from the NYT, it is extremely important to manage the deer population, or else you end up with a bunch of starving deer.

My grandfather was a licensed hunter in Germany (one of the very few exceptions to their strict firearm laws), and they used very scientific methods to determine how many deer could be sustained per hectare of forest and what not, and had to cull the herd when the population increased to certain levels, and ceased hunting altogether when changes (a disease, or whatever) made the population too low.

Yes, it is a natural cycle that has been repeating for hundreds of thousands of years, but no one wants a starved deer staggering through their neighborhood trying to forage on your front lawn because there isn't enough food to go around in the region's wooded areas.

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Paul

The idea of copyright is that a poor writer/painter does something very avantgarde and is misunderstood by his generation. Long extension of copyright provides his kin with a nice sum of money, nontheless.

Patents are granted for practial, ready to implement ideas (well, most of the time and within about 5 years at least).

Very crudely stated, that's (one of many) the actual reason.

By the way, just read that Lawrence Lessig proposes here (registration required) to provide a system like the patent system for copyright as well.

A good idea, but in my opinion, duration should be limited.

Unfortunately, the Berne convention would have to be modified; it says that there should be no formal requirements to get copyright. Modification will be pretty tough, a lot of countries are involved.

The printed media obviously fears that the Internet business model will hurt the printed business model. We all thought this in the dotcom days and it will happen but most likely not anytime soon.

However, according to this article about NYTimes.com the online readers are not the same as the print subscribers.

The paper's typical reader is 45, while the site's average reader is 35, said Calder. And while 85% of the website's users come from outside the New York designated marketing area, 44% of the daily's readers are inside the area.

Furthermore:

Since January, NYTDigital has been examining the overlap between site users and the newspaper's readership and found that only 8% of site users are also print subscribers.

It saddens me that the news media do not seem to get that the Internet is a way to expand their business model. A study would most likely show that the newsboster readers are new readers.

I can't yet figure out under exactly what conditions, but sometimes the parent post's link gives you a Goatse link.

I'm beginning to think it is if you use IE on Windows. But it may be just some random percentage of the time.

If I use netcat from a close by Linux to retrieve...
http://www.shorl.com/gabrihafaseme
then get a nice legit link to the new york times article...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/18/business/18SOFT. html?ex=1043557200&en=feead5560491c953&ei=5062&par tner=GOOGLE

If I click it from Mozilla (on Win XP), then I also directly get the NYT article.

To: PR@nai.com
Subject: About the recent reviewer lawsuit...

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/18/business/18SOFT. html

On behalf of people who hold sacrosanct the 1st Amendment, I'd just like to say HA HA YOU TOTAL LOSERS. Harsh, maybe. But heartfelt. And, if you SERIOUSLY appeal this, as has been rumored, you will LOSE again. And I will send you another email quite similar to this one, except that next time, I'll rub in how you got beaten down twice. Heh. Losers.

Wait a second. I thought that the proported reason the extension was to bring the US inline with the European Copyright laws. At least that was the justification the Supreme Court used...

The French reduced the term to 50 years (for books, films, music) in 1985, and so far as I understand this has been adopted across Europe. (In any event, the healthy industry of independant reissues which this decision spun also flourishes in Spain, Austria, the UK,...)

Of course as the limit now approaches the beginnings of the LP era, the RIAA is starting to call this piracy.

It should also be undestood that "Copyrights" (or "Author's rights" as they call them) have a different meaning over there. For one thing they belong to the author forever -- publishing companies cannot buy them as part of their contracts.

(The day they can be bought is probably the day we'll hear a clamor to extend them in order to "protect the artists" :-)

Heh, I submitted a story about this last week, but Ed said "no way dude"

NY Times article I submitted

Non NYT article:

Copyrights Expiring in Europe

NYT1 (20-Year Extension of Existing Copyrights Is Upheld)
NYT2 (A Corporate Victory, but One That Raises Public Consciousness)

NYT1 (20-Year Extension of Existing Copyrights Is Upheld)
NYT2 (A Corporate Victory, but One That Raises Public Consciousness)

20-Year Extension of Existing Copyrights Is Upheld

A Corporate Victory, but One That Raises Public Consciousness

The Coming of Copyright Perpetuity

20-Year Extension of Existing Copyrights Is Upheld

A Corporate Victory, but One That Raises Public Consciousness

The Coming of Copyright Perpetuity

20-Year Extension of Existing Copyrights Is Upheld

A Corporate Victory, but One That Raises Public Consciousness

The Coming of Copyright Perpetuity

They just published an op-ed piece that pretty much says we have arrived at the perpetual copyright.

Also, your elected officials are happy about it.

here

Submitters, please use news.googled links instead.

see also: va.msn.?net?, ticker: (BULLAST)?

whois this guise 'servers'/ideNTitIE?

billwg - 04:00pm Mar 30, 2002 EST (#759 of 762)

BTW, what has Ramond and Stallings and Torvalds done for the world lately?

Regardless of the chants of the unwashed linuxers, this MS Office system works pretty well and all of the large companies have become dependent on it and many require that their suppliers accomodate it with forms of their own. Some smurf twitching around alone with StarOffice may be able to avoid using MS Office, but no big account is going to be able to do it. It seems to me that all the hot stuff in linux is just making it work like Windows. That doesn't seem to be necessary, since we've got such a fine version of Windows already and don't really need another one!

see also: va.msn.?net?, ticker: (BULLAST)?

whois this guise 'servers'/ideNTitIE?

billwg - 04:00pm Mar 30, 2002 EST (#759 of 762)

BTW, what has Ramond and Stallings and Torvalds done for the world lately?

Regardless of the chants of the unwashed linuxers, this MS Office system works pretty well and all of the large companies have become dependent on it and many require that their suppliers accomodate it with forms of their own. Some smurf twitching around alone with StarOffice may be able to avoid using MS Office, but no big account is going to be able to do it. It seems to me that all the hot stuff in linux is just making it work like Windows. That doesn't seem to be necessary, since we've got such a fine version of Windows already and don't really need another one!

if uncle sam et AL can 'see' fuddle's saycrud kode blew virot, what about the rest of US?

speaking for most of US, who needs that whoreabull, tied to stock markup fraud, bugwear? we sure don't. yuk.

tell 'em robbIE. if va lairIE goes mammon up, does fuddles get the saycrud kode of the legendarIE forgerIE? & the mad koders get,,,???,,, shIEt? NO, not AGAIN? say IT isN'T sewn, or about to be reaped.

look for: va.msn.?net?, ticker: (VAST)?