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You're telling me a site on overclocking has to cut off the user limit? Their servers aren't overclocked enough to handle it?

Link for the above.

Assuming a constant 50W/sqr.mm, that'd be 180GW of heat. Someone find me a heatsink for that baby!

what does make noise though are the 9 fans in my case. however, when i try to sandwich them i don't get the same temperature benefits like the reviewer does with his hard drive. oh well.

Maybe you should look into voltage regulators or fan mufflers then?

what does make noise though are the 9 fans in my case. however, when i try to sandwich them i don't get the same temperature benefits like the reviewer does with his hard drive. oh well.

Maybe you should look into voltage regulators or fan mufflers then?

This time, please do something really useful, not only doing such silly thing as DOS'ing windowsupdate
Therefore, people will be *really* annoyed and may think it's time to switch to another more reliable OS.

You're the reason people think like this.

You stupid prick, you think writing worms is a good way to get people to switch to a "more reliable OS"??!?? Do you realize how fucked up that is? Do you realize that its people like you who are keeping people away from Linux?

Its the stupid shits like you who are fucking up the open source community. Well guess what? We don't want your kind in our community. Get the fuck out. For all I care, you can go back to using Windows.

Open source will succeed by producing quality software, and by forming a community that is out to help people. It will NOT succeed by sabotaging the competition. Dirty tactics like that are for the truly evil. You're worse that Microsoft if you are advocating the use of worms to convince people to switch.

From what i understand,
if you are useing an overclocked Intel chip,
then yes, as they change the cycles to suite
the load and heat, you may age the chip,
but the ageing is only slight.

On AMD chips, they run the same weather under
load or not, so theres no ageing there.

Most of the damage to chips happens durning
booting up, powering down and spikes and surges.


Overclocking's Impact on CPU Life

Thanks for the link. That article may just be the sanest thing I have ever read out of this whole sorry mess.

Take a look at this somewhat related article. It looks almost like its a response to reading Slashdot and responding with a troll.

If you plan to BYO, these stories (and all the others at this site) help a ton:

overview howto
kit vs DIY

If you plan to BYO, these stories (and all the others at this site) help a ton:

overview howto
kit vs DIY

Overclockers.com maintains a nice database of the relative performance of various air and watercooling systems on a variety of platforms: The Heatsink and Watercooling Roundup.

The Koolance EXOS system does this already. The water flows to an external radiator that has built in fans and other such lovely things. This could also be done with heat pipes. The problem is that most users don't want a heavy, bulky block sitting next to their computer. Additionally, you have hoses to worry about.

Exactly. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I have implemented this by tossing away the AMD athlon factory heatsink with is relatively noisy and replacing it with an Alpha PAL 8045 which is one of the best heatsinks out there. (The Thermalright SLK-800 comes to mind as well.) Use Artic Silver 3 or Ceramique thermal compound and then put a big ol' 80 mm silent fan on top (Panaflo Low or Vantec Stealth 80 mm) and presto! Much of the case noise is gone and still with decent CPU temps.

Don't replace your PSU's fan with a low noise one though because PSUs were specifically designed to work with the fans they came with. Instead, you could get a silent PSU. I am seriously looking a Nexus NX-3000 silent PSU as well as one of the Zalman ones. (FYI: Zalman is a Korean company that specialises in low-noise components. You can get silent GeForce4 coolers from them.)

For hard drives, look into Seagate's Barracuda IV (IDE) and V (ASTA) series - they are the quietest 'modern high-end consumer' drives on the market right now.

With this setup, you can actually avoid generating the noise in the first place. That way, noise dampening material will not be necessary.

Anyway, if you're in Canada and you're looking to get some of this gear, check out QuietPC (which also has US, British, Kiwi and Irish dealers) as well as Bigfoot Computers. I am a satsified customer of both of these dealers.

HardOCP has a history of this behaviour. The only reason they would even think of accusing FutureMark of shady dealings is because that is how they themselves do business. Apparently, Kyle Bennett believes everyone else is as much of a lying scumbag as he is.

For those of you who don't care to read the link, here's a synopsis:
*HardOCP posts bogus inflated numbers in one of their reviews (with advertising on the same page. BIG coincidence)

*HardOCP readers take notice, and comment in the HardOCP forums.

*Said users are banned for questioning his almighty lordship, Kyle Bennett. Mr. Bennett accuses said users of photoshopping their screenshots of his review; Steve Lynch chimes in with similar accusations. "That picture is fake", he says.

*More mass bannings of long time posters at the [H] forums ensue, as people ask questions about the issue.

*A few days later, Kyle issues this statement:

"After researching this fully for two days, I have been able to pull together 100% factual evidence that a single set of benchmarks in the 3GHz article were changed after publication of the article. The 3DMark benchmark was changed from "17829" to "17329". The fact of the matter is that we did not note this change. It is standard operating procedure that anytime a portion of an article is changed, outside spelling and grammar, it is noted and explained as to why the change was made. This was not done."

*The aforementioned banned users are not reinstated; no mention is made of the mass bannings, and no apology is given.

Liquid sodium in a high pressure system

Liquid sodium makes a great reactor-vesel coolant. It has a low viscosity, and a high specific heat. Unfortunately it's melting point is 97.72 C. You'll notice that this is about 27 C above the maximum operating temperature of almost all consumer electronics.

Somebody else suggested parafin wax. I'm not sure, but I think they were also pointing out this flaw. Strangely, I had thought of experimenting with parafin to provide cooling... but not for a running system. I thought of useing a sealed case with hollow walls filled with solid parafin as a container for backup tapes inside a fireproof safe. Hopefully the melting parafin would absorb some of the heat, protecting the tapes longer. As long as it doesn't leak and catch on fire.

Ethylene glycol also is not so good... It's most efficient at about 200 C, which is what makes it such a good coolant for car engines.

Methanol works great at the temperatures you want to strive for in computer cooling. unfortunately, it's corosive, volatile, odourless, and extremely toxic.

See this article for more.

Maybe he should save his money and repair the rust on his car... or buy a new one???

rust

From TechTV, Overclockers and Tweak3D may provide you with some information.

Overclockers.com featured this idea last November.

10. "The Matrix". Get an old Toshiba Infinia ("Darth Vader's Toilet Tank") black case, cover it with grease, place green magnetic letters on the sides, and sit back and watch them ooze down the black background

9. "Attack of the Clones". All you need is a lot of PC clone boxes (Columbia, Gateway, Leading Edge, Zenith, Dell, etc. Put stormtrooper helmets on top of them.

8. "Lord of the Rings". This one's pretty easy. Just clear out a space on the desk and tell people there is an invisible computer there wearing the One Ring.

7. "The Hulk". 89 cent green spraypaint case at Wal*Mart, that's it.

6. "Indiana Jones". Everything must be wireless, no cables. Indy hates snakes.

5. "The Empire Strikes Back". Just slap the IBM logo on your box.

4. "The Fully Monty". Just remove the case shell.

3. "Christine". To honor the final scene of this fine Stephen King movie, you need to take it down to the local junkyard and ask to use the crusher.

2. "Battlefield Earth". Just make it ugly. Real ugly, so bad no one will want to see it.

1. "Firestarter". Another Stephen King inspired mod: a flaming PC! Please visit to find out how to cause your PC to burst into flame.

Here it is

Overclockers.com has a very well thought out Editorial on this issue titled ""Trust is Earned" It is well worth the read.

Go to Overclockers for more information on mobos. IMNSHO stay far away from onboard graphics. It's just a pain in the arse if you want more graphic power later. You can get away with onboard sound if you don't want it for much other than listening to music while you work. If you do more than that, like recording or mucho gaming, spend the money to get a decent soundboard. Good luck and have fun!

Its the heat/cooling cycle that generates the groovy rising falling globules.

I think the word you're looking for is convection.

Just what is that goo made off?

It's basically just wax, formulated to achieve a certain level of viscosity.

I think we may be on to something here, though. It would be neat as all hell to have your processor's heat power a lava lamp. I guess it would have to be some kind of desktop or pizza box type case where the processor is mounted horizontally near the top of the case. You could then mount the lava lamp atop the processor through a hole in the top of the case.

I imagine the heat from the processor would be more than enough to melt the wax and set the whole thing in motion. Since most of the lava lamp is outside the case, it could passively shed excess heat into the surrounding air. I have no idea whether this would keep the processor cool enough or not... I guess it would depend upon several factors, not the least of which would be the processor itself. Maybe you would have to underclock the chip or go with one of the cooler running Via chips instead... I dunno.

I know some of the overclocking enthusiast sites use a cpu die simulator of some kind to test heatsinks and whatnot. Shouldn't be too hard to test the lava lamp rig without sacrificing a cpu.

I can't believe that this is a totally original idea. Has anyone out there in /. land tried anything similar to this?

As you can read here and here, USA benefitted from IP theft in 1790 when Samuel Slater stole the blueprints of the the water-powered spinning frame from England and used it to build a textile industry in USA comparable to England's. England called him a traitor, but USA called him a hero and the father of the industrial revolution. Today, USA is the capitol of IP and China benefits whenever they steal some.

Most likely, enforcing US IP laws in Iraq will help USA but hurt Iraq.

Was just reading the linked article before I refreshed /. and now there's this question on the Ask Slashdot list: might be too late for you, but this mod's quick, easy, cheap, and works well: filter
Best part about it: you can use whatever case you want: just mod it quickly, and it's just how you want it. No compromising to meet case manufacturers' spec lists.

You could try this page, and if they move it the steps are:

- amd.com
- Technical Resources link at top
- Technical Documentation at top left
- AMD Athlon(tm) XP Tech Docs

System makers can brand executables, but it is more common for them to use oeminfo.ini. If the General tab under system properties doesn't have a "Computer:" heading and does have a "Manufactured and Supported by:" heading, manufacturers logo or Support Information button, then your system has been branded by the OEM. If you have an oem system then it is about 99% certain that when it was branded, the cpu model ( 1700+ ) was created during.

So, which company made your computer system? I don't have to ask if you built it yourself. We wouldn't be having this discussion if you had.

Some well respected software that won't/can't tell you your sold-as-speed, Sandra 2003, wcpuid, CPU-Z and the Linux kernel.

I have built thousands of systems from scratch and generally know what I am speaking about, but have been wrong before and will be wrong again. I have kept a civil tongue while you made snide remarks like "What's your next brilliant theory?". I have provided detailed information, you quoted WinXP as an unquestionable resource. Check the Forums at overclockers.com, one of the many places on the web to get good info and meet strange new people. BTW, with watercooling, my AthlonXP 1700+ DLT3C (1.5v) chip will run 2.55GHz and pass the prime95 torture test.

Have a great Palm Sunday.

We make them ourselves. Take a look at http://overclockers.com/tips681/ for a guide. We etched our own PCBs though, which is a lot easier in the long run. =)

I seriously doubt that ATI would try to keep the market inflated by purposefully dumbing down a high end card, this sort of thing doesn't happen in real life. It's not like Intel has ever used a pIII chip with the cache disabled/ripped out for celerons before.

Wow, that's wrong. That's may be award-winningly wrong.

First, wasn't the PIII Celeron basically just a PIII with half of its cache disabled, exactly like what you've just described?

Second, the original Celerons were PIIs with the cache ripped out -- or rather, without cache put on their PCB at all. I'm 100% certain about this one. Remember the Slot-1 266 and 300Mhz (not "a") Celerons? They were just PII cores on a PCB, sans cache (and missing that black plastic casing too, if I remember correctly.)

Third, for all I know the P4 Celeron may be just like the PIII Celeron. That's a whole lot of Celerons which were just regular cores with the cache disabled/ripped out.

Hmmm.. Not so sure a Dell/Gateway will be any better. You'll probably just end up with a CPU that is running a bit hot (though probably stable) if you get a Dell/Gateway. Here are some things you can do:

Get a large enough case. At least enough for two fans in the back (though one 92mm wouldn't be bad either). I got an Antec SX830 ($80) which allows 3 80mm fans in the front and 2 in the back (and their newer cases have a fan on the side next to your PCI cards). I didn't use the 300 watt PSU, and instead got a 350W PSU (Enermax Whisper). If your fans are slowing down from CPU draw sounds like you need a more powerful PSU (I've never heard of this happening so I dunno).

Never plug your fans into the motherboard headers, power them directly from the PSU. Especially the CPU fan. Motherboard headers have the tendency to go bad, especially when your fan is drawing a good amount of current.

Get a CPU heatsink that uses a 80mm fan. I've used a Swiftech MCX462 which is expensive but good. My choice these days would be a Thermalright SLK-800 or SK7. Proper application of silver thermal compound is a must, lookup how to do this before you do so (Arctic Silver's website has a good description).

Buy all low power fans. I use a bunch of 80mm Panaflo's (Low Output, 24cfm, 21dBA). If you already have a bunch of loud fans, there is a way to use 5 or 7 volts instead of 12V to power the fans, make them run slower and quieter.

Try to eliminate any blockages in air flow such as IDE cables in the way, PCI cards that could be placed lower, etc. You can place your drives higher so that the heat from them doesn't get blown over your CPU, though that can cause you to hear the drives more, so its a bit of a trade-off.

If your CPU's multiplier is unlocked and you don't care about speed, you can underclock it if necessary. If its not unlocked, you can underclock the FSB, but that may be too much of a performance hit.

Put the PC on the floor, rather on the desk. You'll hear it more if its at ear-level. Also, try to put it in a place where some of the sound gets blocked.

If you do choose to go the watercooling route (not a bad idea), there are some easy ways of doing this. Look at Swiftech's Q-Power which is a water-cooled case that has everything setup for you and cost only a little more than their kit mentioned in this article. Koolance has some good products too.

Finally, take a look at www.overclockers.com, which is a great site even for non-overclockers. It is a good general computer hardware site as well as a great source for information on cooling. A lot of the information I just provided can be found in detail here.

I've done most of the things I mentioned above. I can still hear my PC, but it is very quiet and runs cool and stable (I got an Athlon T-Bird 1.4GHz which is known to run hot). I never turn it off, I leave it on even when I go to sleep.

Sounds like you are looking for the Tip-Magnetic Driving fans from Y.S. Tech. You can find a review here and here or hit google for more. I don't have any myself yet so I can't tell you of my experiences. I've read warnings though which say that you need to keep the metal housing insulated from contact with any metal and it's best to use a 3 to 4 pin power adapter. For more information on some of the problems people have had check here.

I think that the PC folks tend to overrate the amount of hardware tweaking they can actually do that makes any difference, other than putting some new video card in.

I take that statement to mean that you've never heard of memory interleaving

... that there seems to be a great deal of trouble with the AGP 8X interface as documented here and acknowledged here? This does not appear to be an isolated case, as many people with many different mainboards are reporting this. If one looks only at performance without the chance of actually getting the thing working, the review is incomplete, if not downright misleading.

some info about the agp8 (dys)functionality can be found http://www.overclockers.com/tips00114/ .

"Tweaktown has a news item (dated 9/12, 7:08 AM) which states that Epox Taiwan told them that the 8X AGP problem is being caused by the GPU, and a new stepping corrects the problem.
"

if it was just software problem i'd not care that much about it since there was theoretical possibility of convinient update..

You'll have to put in some default caps too...

The (profit last year)/(total previous profit) * scaler.

If one applied for a SW copyright (before working on a projcet) and then brought it out on the last year. It would skew the ratio to some huge value.

Here's an interesting proposal on copyright time allocation. And some nice counterpounts from writers and others that need to live off copyrights.

I'm wondering if some sort of copyright/patent power limitation should imitate progressive taxation, where you'd pay higher premiums if you own more copyrights/patents. Companies would tend to split up their copyright ownership (to reduce fees) while at the same time they would then be exposed to more anti-trust laws (because their satellite [copyright-holder] companies would have "intra-company" cooperative behavior subject to anti-trust laws.)

You'll have to put in some default caps too...

The (profit last year)/(total previous profit) * scaler.

If one applied for a SW copyright (before working on a projcet) and then brought it out on the last year. It would skew the ratio to some huge value.

Here's an interesting proposal on copyright time allocation. And some nice counterpounts from writers and others that need to live off copyrights.

I'm wondering if some sort of copyright/patent power limitation should imitate progressive taxation, where you'd pay higher premiums if you own more copyrights/patents. Companies would tend to split up their copyright ownership (to reduce fees) while at the same time they would then be exposed to more anti-trust laws (because their satellite [copyright-holder] companies would have "intra-company" cooperative behavior subject to anti-trust laws.)

Actually, as discussed here: Icrontic Forums and here: Overclocker's Article You should *not* use a box fan.

The trick about the shower is to get some steam in the air, such that it will adhere to the airbourne dust, and weight it down somewhat. You steam up the room nicely, get the air a *bit* (not much) saturated with water vapor, then kill the shower, and let the dust settle in the room. The fan would ruin the effect, as it would only whip up the dust that's just settled.

Now, this is nowhere near as good as a clean room, it's quite a ghetto hardware mod, but you can get the room clean enough such that you can take off the cover, and saran wrap it quickly enough to avoid harming the drive 90+% of the time.

Another cool tip?: Clean the acryllic very very well before installing it.

- Jones

Lessee, add a fridge to the bottom of the seat, then tap off of that for watercooling. Sounds nifty.

Ducts - The Cheap Cooling Solution

Didn't work too well until there were 5 fans in the side of the case,

sigh... but anyways -- the answer you seek is not short, but can be summerized: it depends on what you want.

lets have a few scenarios:

1) you want the fastest, most elaborate PC there is for whatever compensatory reasons. build you self all-the-way. pricewatch, pricegrabber, gotApex Deals, techbargains, and dealwalk are all fine sites to look for deals. flamingo world have some stuff too. pricewatch and pricegrabber gets you the goods, and the rest of them get you the "deals", for example Dell is selling a 20" flat panel (very nice, i have one) for ~1600 -- yesterday you could have gotten it ~1100. just have to check those places everyday. and oh yeah -- go to overclockers.com and find some people to sell you waterblocks, you will need it.

2) average man wanting an averagely fast computer. build can get you more customization and you can "grow into it" more... for the longest time dell would lock the MB so you can't swap processors! and then you can't tweek the MB on ram settings, blah blah either. price is similar if you go and find a good deal. a P4 2GHz can be had at dell for ~600 bux -- no way you can beat that, sorry, especially if you are in CA and have to pay tax+shipping for everybody from pricewatch.

3) your mom/dad. buy one -- in fact, buy one used -- or even better, sell them one of your old, "retired" ones.

4) laptop users -- buy -- because there is no options here. but today unless you are really into water cooling and all that, a laptop gives you the same speed / blah blah anyway. i have a UXGA on my laptop -- sure i have to squint when i look at things, but whatever. p.s. get a good vid.card if you buy a laptop: they are not upgradeable -- however if you are REALLY desperate you can get processors for laptops (micro-PGA) from ebay.

in the end -- for what we want to do (fast system, blah blah) building does not save money. but it's like hotrodding. i have gotten out of the gig a while back (o/c, etc etc) and wont turn back. it's just too much trouble. my laptop has 64M vid.mem and can run most of the games i need it to (and if it really runs bad, it's just a productivity killer anyway). i hope the sites listed in (1) helps -- they are the better ones i can come up with. and have fun -- and last thing. save the reciepts! if you build yourself you WILL, by laws of probabbility, have crap happen and you will know good and well what's an RMA *real* fast.

lastly -- to make everything work out by building -- you will be continously upgrading your hardware. which means
1) you need to recompile the kernel a lot / reinstall windows a lot
2) know ebay like the back of your hand. this is probabbly the only way you have a system that mostly works, does not cost you TOO bad, and you won't have tons of spare parts lying around.

so is it worth it?... well? what is "having a customized PC" worth to ya?

Well, for the adventurous there is now a hack to mod a tualatin chip to fit a slotket. The great thing is that you can use it with the 1 or 1.1 GHz Tualatin Celeron, which is at 100MHz FSB (and about $70). Since these Celerons are a .13 mu part, they can easily be overclocked by setting your bus to 133MHz.

I was just about to do this, but found *another* catch: all the cheapo RAM uses these new 64x4 chips, but my BX only handles the 16x8 kind, which is twice as much at the low end. So the gap is narrowed. Of course, for all the time I've spent mooning over the options, I could've worked flipping burgers and earned enough to buy two new PCs. Trapped again.

One hardware tweakers site that features noise levels quite heavily is overclockers.com. When reviewing heatsinks they pretty much always compare performance/noise levels with different makes of fan. A while back some guy submitted a feature on a noiseless PC you may be interested in.

Unfortunately with the increased wattage of modern processors, there's a load more waste heat to be removed - if you want air cooling that means more airflow which means more noise. A decent water cooled setup can be virtually silent, though. Larger fans are a lot more 'noise efficient' for the same flow rate as small fans - a lot of these cases use multiple 80mm fans where one 120mm fan would do the trick. I don't understand why case manufacturers haven't leapt on the market for silent 'off the shelf' parts - a lot of people are interested in them.

I recently upgraded my aging Slot A system, and thought the increase in noise was going to drive me insane until I put a couple of potentiometers in line with the fans. These are really easy to make with even my soldering skills. Okay, so my case/cpu temps are a bit higher, but at least I can listen to music without having to wake my neighbours up drowning out the noise of my fans!

Liam

One hardware tweakers site that features noise levels quite heavily is overclockers.com. When reviewing heatsinks they pretty much always compare performance/noise levels with different makes of fan. A while back some guy submitted a feature on a noiseless PC you may be interested in.

Unfortunately with the increased wattage of modern processors, there's a load more waste heat to be removed - if you want air cooling that means more airflow which means more noise. A decent water cooled setup can be virtually silent, though. Larger fans are a lot more 'noise efficient' for the same flow rate as small fans - a lot of these cases use multiple 80mm fans where one 120mm fan would do the trick. I don't understand why case manufacturers haven't leapt on the market for silent 'off the shelf' parts - a lot of people are interested in them.

I recently upgraded my aging Slot A system, and thought the increase in noise was going to drive me insane until I put a couple of potentiometers in line with the fans. These are really easy to make with even my soldering skills. Okay, so my case/cpu temps are a bit higher, but at least I can listen to music without having to wake my neighbours up drowning out the noise of my fans!

Liam

One hardware tweakers site that features noise levels quite heavily is overclockers.com. When reviewing heatsinks they pretty much always compare performance/noise levels with different makes of fan. A while back some guy submitted a feature on a noiseless PC you may be interested in.

Unfortunately with the increased wattage of modern processors, there's a load more waste heat to be removed - if you want air cooling that means more airflow which means more noise. A decent water cooled setup can be virtually silent, though. Larger fans are a lot more 'noise efficient' for the same flow rate as small fans - a lot of these cases use multiple 80mm fans where one 120mm fan would do the trick. I don't understand why case manufacturers haven't leapt on the market for silent 'off the shelf' parts - a lot of people are interested in them.

I recently upgraded my aging Slot A system, and thought the increase in noise was going to drive me insane until I put a couple of potentiometers in line with the fans. These are really easy to make with even my soldering skills. Okay, so my case/cpu temps are a bit higher, but at least I can listen to music without having to wake my neighbours up drowning out the noise of my fans!

Liam

Another thing: Tom's hardware did not observe a flaw in the motherboard spec. They observed the fact that since a major percentage of people buying their own motherboards were going to overclock them, it seemed stupid to not have any kind of thermal protection, when it was perfectly possible to. And I quote: Nevertheless, it must be said that the facts as shown in the video remain plausible and can be reproduced at any time. At the moment, none of the mainboard manufacturers offer a solution to this. Even highly reputable companies such as Asus and Gigabyte offer no support for this particular problem. Lately, this has been somewhat remedied, as some manufacturers have taken his advice and added thermal protection (Soltek comes to mind, with their Anti-Burn-Shield). At the time the THG article was written, thermal protection was about the same kind of problem that accurate thermal detection is now(Palaminos have a built-in thermal diode, unused by any consumer motherboard, except perhaps the Soltek I mentioned earlier), prompting this type of fix. Motherboard manufacturers, for whatever reason, didn't include what seemed like an obvious, cheap feature. Actually, I was only looking for a link to a burnt proc, but the reason it was burnt doesn't matter all that much.

Another thing: Tom's hardware did not observe a flaw in the motherboard spec. They observed the fact that since a major percentage of people buying their own motherboards were going to overclock them, it seemed stupid to not have any kind of thermal protection, when it was perfectly possible to. And I quote: Nevertheless, it must be said that the facts as shown in the video remain plausible and can be reproduced at any time. At the moment, none of the mainboard manufacturers offer a solution to this. Even highly reputable companies such as Asus and Gigabyte offer no support for this particular problem. Lately, this has been somewhat remedied, as some manufacturers have taken his advice and added thermal protection (Soltek comes to mind, with their Anti-Burn-Shield). At the time the THG article was written, thermal protection was about the same kind of problem that accurate thermal detection is now(Palaminos have a built-in thermal diode, unused by any consumer motherboard, except perhaps the Soltek I mentioned earlier), prompting this type of fix. Motherboard manufacturers, for whatever reason, didn't include what seemed like an obvious, cheap feature. Actually, I was only looking for a link to a burnt proc, but the reason it was burnt doesn't matter all that much.

As a freeware developer, I now have to invest extra time to get the latest list of targeted filenames by Ad-Aware and similar software.

Ad-Aware is simple-ware with a noble cause - I can't fault it for that. Perhaps it needs to do more fuzzy searches, such as "expected registry keys", "expected support files", "exe file size greater than 2mb (to catch patched exes)" to ensure a positive match, and report the results "98% chance it's a positive match.".

Where is this cold war taking us?

Morph-ware: The ability to change the signiature of your software dynamically - filesizes, filenames, icon pixel color variations, title bar text manipulation, and randomizing the internal exe identifiers for windows.

Maybe this will encourage new Linux for Dreamcast work with the greater possibilities it presents for a small SH6 based web server?

Good features:
Fanless operation
Eq to Pentium 533 (&lt 10db?)
integrated decent graphics with iDCT compensation for DVD
ATA-33/66/100 support
10/100 Mbps Ethernet
MC 97 Fax/Modem
TV-Out (S-video)
1394
USB 2.0
AC 97 codec
Compact package

Quiet HDTV home entertainment with following add-ons:
Ultra-quiet DVD drive
160G HD
HDTV Card
Decent 5.1 sound card
Roll your own software
Estimated cost $900

Connected to a 5.1 receiver w/speakers, this gives you a good sytem which plays all music formats, DVD player, acts as a DVR (for both NTSC and HDTV formats, &gt 40 hrs.), file server, reasonable gaming.

Gerry
my $0.02

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