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The one Pale Moon "blacklisted" refused to fix serious issues with getting it running on PM so the PM team simply replaced it with uBlock Origin, they even have a handy updater that contacts Github and grabs the latest uBlock version compatible with PM so you don't need to deal with keeping up with versions.

Considering uBlock actually works with PM and does the same job while the later versions of NS was crashy AF on PM? I really see blacklisting an extension that wouldn't work properly as a non issue as uBlock does the same job and is compatible. BTW feel free to contact the NoScript dev and ask him to support the latest version of PM but don't be surprised if he tells you which bridge to jump off of as I've heard the dev is rather..."surly" and doesn't take criticisms or suggestions very well. A shame really but...well "not very sociable" developers aren't exactly a new thing are they?

Try Pale Moon . I've been using it for a year as my primary browser, on linux and on Windows. Or look into Firefox-esr. I run Devuan at home and use ff-esr as my backup browser.

Sigh...Pale Moon got rid of NoScript because they were having issues with NoScript's ABE support and from what I've read when they went to the NoScript dev and told them the issue? He did the Ghostbusters 2016 bird bit and made it pretty clear he had exactly zero fucks to give about any issues Pale Moon might be having. If you want to keep trying to make it work as it degrades over time? More power to ya but the PM devs simply routed around the problem by giving us uBlock Origin Updater that installs uBlock Origin and keeps it up to date for you, no muss no fuss and from what I've read the uBlock team is more than happy to work on issues that may crop up with PM support.

BTW if you ever need a Chromium or newer Firefox based browser without all the extra service crap? Try Comodo Dragon and IceDragon, the only service they install is the update service (which you can easily opt out of at install by simply picking portable version) and the few add ons it comes with (like the media downloader and social media share button) can be tossed with just a right click if you don't want 'em but I personally find to be quit handy. Their UI has been pretty static for at least a couple years now so if you are like me and hate the way Chrome and FF are constantly mucking with things its a nice change of pace.

XUL still lives right now in Palemoon.

If you switch to Palemoon you can still use all the old FF XUL/Chrome-based addons!

At least we still have Pale Moon http://www.palemoon.org/
FireFox is dead.

Pale Moon is DEAD TO ME.

Pale Moon and it's SJW developers can SUCK IT!

At least we still have Pale Moon http://www.palemoon.org/
FireFox is dead.

You can still use XUL and all the old extensions in Palemoon. New Palemoon version released Tuesday of this week!

Uhhh Pale Moon just replaced NoScript with uBlock Origin due to issues with NoScript ABE support (and the guy running NoScript adding sites to the default allow list for extra revenue) and they even added a handy extension that downloads the latest version compatible with PM so you don't need to know which version works with FF and which with PM. Works quite well.

You can still use all the old extensions if you use Palemoon. I've been using since Oct, 2017, and it's been great.

This is true, but they can't, because Firefox elected instead to embrace the Chrome add-on model.

They had no choice. Go back and use a pre-change version of Firefox. The performance is terrible. It's single threaded, one thread dying takes down the whole browser, like it's the 1980s again. Can't even be properly sandboxed.

And the add-ons were a security nightmare. Bugs in the add-ons could be exploited by web sites to steal info from the browser or underlying OS.

The add-on API was holding the whole browser back. They could make necessary fixes because it would break add-ons. A clean start was the best of a bunch of bad options, and at least they selected an API that was familiar and allowed porting of many existing add-ons on day one.

Firefox is actually decent again now.

What add-ons are you missing, by the way? Maybe we can suggest some alternatives.

Firefox is making a comeback.... but it's yet to win me back. I moved to PaleMoon a couple years ago and love it. The time I use FF now is when I need to use the add-on Video Download Helper. If something ever goes horribly wrong with PaleMoon, I would likely go back to FF over Chromium. I just don't care for Chrom(e/ium). There are too many things about FF/Palemoon that I find very useful. For instance... for the MANY sites where I have accounts, I like to keep a password hint in the bookmark description. If I forget my password, just right-click on the bookmark, properties, and I see my hint. Years ago when I tried using Chromium for a while, I really missed that feature. I tried one of the encrypted password managers available, but after loading in all my passwords it barfed on something and lost them all. Simple and functional is good... FF got away from that, and Chrom(e/ium) is a bit too simple for me.

And Waterfox's good buddy Palemoon, is also available, supporting all the old XUL-based extensions.

Pale Moon started off as a Firefox fork, so they inherited a lot from FF. See release notes http://www.palemoon.org/releas... for v28.1.0 (2018-09-20)

* Removed Telemetry accumulation calls, automatic timers and stopwatches. This removes a very noticeable performance sink for all operations on all platforms.

"Turning off telemetry" merely means not sending the accumulated data to Mozilla. The data collection and crunching is still going on if you "turn off telemetry" in Firefox.

Pale Moon has physically ripped out the code. This means...

* faster browsing, because no cpu cycles are being used for data accumulation
* less code for the developers to maintain
* less attack surface

Geeks need to go back to Firefox. It isn't made by an OS vendor or an advertising agency, it doesn't snoop on you, and it is completely open source.

Oh, really?

There are browsers that claim not to collect user data such as Iceweasel-UXP, Palemoon and Waterfox.

Upgrade to Palemoon on your PC and to Brave on your Android devices.

Live Bookmarks will remain in Pale Moon.

Stylish

There's an active fork, it supports all the forked XUL browsers.
https://addons.palemoon.org/ad...

B O Y C O T T P A L E M O O N !! They actively block NoScript.

Check the Palemoon forums. By the admissions of Palemoon's own developers they admit to actively blocking NoScript because they whine about getting too many complaints that Palemoon+NoScript does not render webpages correctly and the Palemoon developers don't want to deal with the issues.

Stylish

There's an active fork, it supports all the forked XUL browsers.
https://addons.palemoon.org/ad...

Nice try but no cigar. The post has a couple of random users saying it's blacklisted. Here you go form the horse's mouth:

https://forum.palemoon.org/vie...

(also note how I linked to not just the page but the post).

You can lead an idiot to knowledge, but you can't make them smarter.

Touche, my man, touche!

Pale Moon browser version 27.9.4 actually sometimes un-installs NoScript without notifying the user. Other times it complains. When Pale Moon un-installs NoScript, I re-install it.

A Pale Moon Add-ons page provides a link to NoScript. Confusion?

Pale Moon seems to be developed by extremely capable people. Is there a hidden reason for un-installing NoScript?

UNFORTUNATELY, much as I've enjoyed using it, a while back (v.26 or 27?) Pale Moon decided to unilaterally disable NoScript, then make updated versions unavailable for installation. I don't quite understand their beef (many accusations, didn't find any evidence), but I know what mine is: I don't need browser-makers deciding what extensions I should use, although I appreciate a heads-up.

Here's their two cents worth: https://forum.palemoon.org/vie...

I've disabled my PM installer app and won't be updating. I recently DL'd the most recent IceCat; it's still good enough for them.

Since the developer has blocked noscript from working out of the box, then that'd be a yes wouldn't it?

> accessbility features

Because fuck handicapped people, right?

Here is the reasoning behind this decision:

As far as accessibility goes: Pale Moon supports full accessibility features as one can expect from a browser, like caret browsing, adaptation to high-contrast themes, etc. -- but what it does not support is specialized hardware for the severely disabled. This has been a choice since day 1 of its publication, and falls in line with another key statement about the Pale Moon browser: that it does not attempt to cater to all possible usage scenarios, but instead tries to find a sane balance between features and performance/stability. This inevitably means that deeply-complexity-impacting components that would be used by a disproportionately small portion of the users are disabled. The browser is no less useful because of what is disabled - but it may of course not cater to specific specialized needs that specifically rely on those components and fall outside of what should be considered the scope of a web browser.

Oh Really?

What you see is JavaScript using multi-threads but all your tabs still use one big thread where one can freeze up the rest.

They're looking for feedback in the comments section of their site/page. Hopefully someone will post this slashdot link and bring awareness to why people left Firefox and will never go back.

When you have people are leaving you and preferring to use a spyware-browser (Chrome) instead, you know you're fucked.

Everyone should be using Palemoon (www.palemoon.org) instead.
Based on old fork of Firefox without the BS

Just go to their blog post and read it. As it says, there is no voting they just want feeback in the comments about it.

To me.. marketing types are funny (peculiar, not haha) in that they feel the world and their product revolves around marketing and perception. I think it is somewhat important for a product, but you need a good product first and foremost. It seems that Firefox has been making strides to get get back to where they need to be, although I am not sure they're there yet. I am personally willing to switch back from Pale Moon , but they're going to have to really convince me of it...and new icons aren't going to do it.

Surely extensions will crop up to replace the missing functionality, which is where it actually belongs — like everything which is not core browser functionality. If you run Pale Moon, you can use these extensions (two of three of 'em, anyway) to read feeds.

It is put together by an excellent team of developers who truly care what users want.

Until they fucked up with disabling noscript and wouldn't listen to the users, going as far as to mock the very users they "care" about:

We changed the language strings for softblocked items so people will cry less when we do our job.

I still use palemoon, but it's slowly creeping into that arrogant territory that they used to berate the mozilla devs about.

Have you tried Pale Moon? I use it and find it quite nice. The devs are quick to respond to user questions and bug reports, the forums are quite helpful, and they get more and more extension devs on board every day and already have most of the popular stuff like Adblock,Greasemonkey, and NoScript up and running. They also have a portable and a Linux build so you can run it anywhere.

I'd say if you want Firefox the classic way, before it became a Chrome wannabe? PM is the way to go.

Even better solution, use Pale Moon!

Basilisk is just the beta of pale moon.

https://forum.palemoon.org/vie...

Pale Moon intentionally does not support WebRTC:

WebRTC. Apart from opening up a whole can of worms security/privacy-wise, "Web Real Time Chat" (comparable with Skype video calls and the likes) is not considered useful or desired functionality for Pale Moon (both according to the developers and the users of the browser at large). This is best left to dedicated programs or at most a browser plug-in.

Add-ons Links
Firefox, WaterFox, and Pale Moon Browsers

For security: Get add-ons only from the Mozilla.org add-on web pages.

Visit those links with Firefox. Visiting with the latest version of Pale Moon (27.8.2) shows an error: """This add-on requires a newer version of Firefox (at least version 52.0). You are using Firefox 27.9."
Pale moon add-ons

Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."

BetterPrivacy Removed by the author. Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.

CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.

Classic Theme Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:

"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."

"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2)".

"There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement."

Cookies Manager+

Disconnect Updates to Pale Moon browser don't install.

Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.

Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..." Firebug development page.

FlashStopper Stops video autoplay and shows a preview thumbnail. On Sept. 9, 2017 does not work with YouTube because it prevents reading comments; there is a working version in the development branch.

Ghostery I don't know if Ghostery still sells data: Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013) Ghostery web site. See the article, Ghostery is Acquired by Cliqz! (Feb 15, 2017)

HTTPS Everywhere Doesn't install in Pale Moon. Encrypts traffic by using HTTPS encryption rather than HTTP wherever web sites accept HTTPS. See How to Protect You

Add-ons Links
Firefox, WaterFox, and Pale Moon Browsers

For security: Get add-ons only from the Mozilla.org add-on web pages.

Visit those links with Firefox. Visiting with the latest version of Pale Moon (27.8.2) shows an error: """This add-on requires a newer version of Firefox (at least version 52.0). You are using Firefox 27.9."
Pale moon add-ons

Adblock Latitude For Pale Moon browser only. Blocks display of ads. "Adblock Latitude is a direct fork of Adblock Plus made specifically for the Pale Moon browser."

BetterPrivacy Removed by the author. Deletes Local Shared Objects, LSOs. LSOs are files placed on your computer by the Adobe Systems Flash plug-in. Use of Adobe Flash allows web sites to track you, permanently even though your browser is configured to delete the files known as "Cookies" after each re-starting of your operating system.

CanvasBiocker Prevents websites from using the Javascript <canvas> API to fingerprint them.

Classic Theme Restorer Quoting 3 paragraphs:

"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017."

"This add-on will stop working when Firefox 57 arrives in November 2017 and Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons. It should still work on Firefox 52 ESR until ESR moves to Firefox 59 ESR in 2018 (~Q2)".

"There is no 'please port it' or 'please add support for it' this time, because the entire add-on eco system changes and the technology behind this kind of add-on gets dropped without replacement."

Cookies Manager+

Disconnect Updates to Pale Moon browser don't install.

Facebook Blocker Prevents Facebook from following you everywhere there are Facebook "Like" buttons.

Firebug "Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page..." Firebug development page.

FlashStopper Stops video autoplay and shows a preview thumbnail. On Sept. 9, 2017 does not work with YouTube because it prevents reading comments; there is a working version in the development branch.

Ghostery I don't know if Ghostery still sells data: Ghostery sells data it collects. (Business Insider, Jun 18, 2013) Ghostery web site. See the article, Ghostery is Acquired by Cliqz! (Feb 15, 2017)

HTTPS Everywhere Doesn't install in Pale Moon. Encrypts traffic by using HTTPS encryption rather than HTTP wherever web sites accept HTTPS. See How to Protect You

I myself switched over to Pale Moon once Firefox started killing off features and pretending to be Chrome.

I would recommend you ditch NoScript and check out uMatrix. It is a full, and better (and without the whole AdBlock controversy) replacement to NoScript. As well as CookieMonster, and other resource blockers, allowing control over loading of not just JS/Cookies but also CSS, images, media, and more.

Pale Moon 27.8.1 has been released. A browser that's far superior than Firefox and Chrome and one that should be in Slashdot headlines instead of the constant Firefox/Chrome/IE slashvertisement postings.

http://www.palemoon.org/

Those of us on ESR waiting for quantum castration of this version are actively looking for replacement browser. There aren't that many choices unfortunately.

The only one you need is Pale Moon. It will work just like you're used to and support your extensions.

Maybe it's time to switch to Palemoon browser:
http://www.palemoon.org/

What's the deal with all the browser Slashvertisements over the last year?
"Chrome has new feature"
"Firefox has impoved its privacy-related features (yeah right)"
"IE made some performance improvements"

If Slashdot were still run by the original owners, you'd see stories about browsers that are way better - you know, with the basic fundamental feature of not being made to intetionally track you, unlike these three.

Palemoon
http://www.palemoon.org/
Waterfox
https://www.waterfoxproject.or...

Electronic Frontier Foundation: https://www.eff.org/
Enough said.

NearlyFreeSpeech web hosting: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.n...
They defend net nuetrality. Their pricing structure is clearly laid out with no hidden fees, and emphasis on efficiency, and they do well when you do well. They are run by highly competent individuals.


DuckDuckGo web search: https://duckduckgo.com/html/
Great search that doesn't track you. Fuck yes.


PaleMoon web browser: https://www.palemoon.org/
A modern, FOSS, secure, fast, lean, extensible, and highly configurable browser that took over where FireFox left off. It's run by individuals who have ethics, and stick to them.


Proton Mail web mail: https://protonmail.com/
FOSS end-to-end encrypted e-mail. The only issue I see here is that it is free, so you're likely not the customer... There is another end-to-end encrypted web-mail solution that is $5/mo. or so but I've forgotten the name. Anyone?

If I were in charge of the Internet (heh) I'd say let's just remove all of Javascript's ability to interface with the clock, so that you can't ever figure out what was in cache vs what wasn't.

It's interesting you mention that, since increasing clock granularity is an effective solution to SPECTRE attacks via the browser, and it was already done by Pale Moon back in October of 2016 to mitigate the threat of "hardware-timing based attacks and fingerprinting". Between my AMD FX processor and my Pale Moon browser, I'm feeling relatively smug here.

Get rid of Firefox, install Palemoon and import your Firefox profile into it. It comes with the standard desktop UI that was there before Australis, continued full support for XUL extensions and no telemetry or bundled bullshit.
Basically everything that was good about Firefox until version 4. And no, it's not abandoned or obsolete or anything, it gets regular updates and fixes.
And it's had a 64-bit version on Windows for long before Firefox finally offered one.

"Use a third party build of Firefox or Chromium."

Can you recommend 3rd party builds? I need a browser that respects my choices of add-ons.

Pale Moon 64-bits seems more stable than Firefox 56.0.2, so I use Pale Moon.

Waterfox sometimes brings up a message from anti-malware software I use, "Waterfox wants to act as a server." Scary.

"... it certainly doesn't happen for everyone or even most people."

I need to do a LOT of research. I often open windows and tabs in Firefox and then need to think about what I've seen, so I leave the windows and tabs open.

Then I do other research. That often results in having many windows and tabs open. Soon Firefox begins grabbing CPU power and memory. Eventually the Windows 7 Ultimate OS becomes slow. Sometimes it appears that Firefox has made Windows unstable.

Pale Moon 64-bits seems more stable than Firefox 56.0.2, so I use Pale Moon.

Waterfox sometimes brings up a message from anti-malware software I use, "Waterfox wants to act as a server." Scary.

It seems to me that Microsoft's payments to Mozilla Foundation, through Yahoo, have been successful at doing something Microsoft wanted, apparently. During Microsoft's involvement, Firefox has been degraded by making it impossible to use popular Firefox add-ons. Yes, I accept that there have been improvements in Firefox. However, it seems to me that the transition was handled badly. Maybe that was the intention of someone wanting to lower the usage of Firefox.

https://www.palemoon.org/

Alternatives:
Waterfox portable.
Pale Moon 64-bits
Pale Moon 32-bits
Pale Moon Portable

Ghostery does not install in Pale Moon, so I use the Disconnect extension. Disconnect's interface is not as well-designed.

Alternatives:
Waterfox portable.
Pale Moon 64-bits
Pale Moon 32-bits
Pale Moon Portable

Ghostery does not install in Pale Moon, so I use the Disconnect extension. Disconnect's interface is not as well-designed.

Alternatives:
Waterfox portable.
Pale Moon 64-bits
Pale Moon 32-bits
Pale Moon Portable

Ghostery does not install in Pale Moon, so I use the Disconnect extension. Disconnect's interface is not as well-designed.

That is my experience with Pale Moon, also. The latest version, 27.6.0 (64-bits), is far more stable than Firefox. Recently I had to do a lot of research. I had 55 windows and 135 tabs open. There were no problems.

Pale Moon 64-bits

Pale Moon 32-bits

Pale Moon Portable

Ghostery does not install in Pale Moon, so I use the Disconnect extension.

I like Waterfox portable.

That is my experience with Pale Moon, also. The latest version, 27.6.0 (64-bits), is far more stable than Firefox. Recently I had to do a lot of research. I had 55 windows and 135 tabs open. There were no problems.

Pale Moon 64-bits

Pale Moon 32-bits

Pale Moon Portable

Ghostery does not install in Pale Moon, so I use the Disconnect extension.

I like Waterfox portable.