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You're right. It's the last a.out Linux after all. Definitely belongs in a museum.

I think you meant to type Mastodon.

Mastodon Linux, however, is the last a.out distribution.

Mastodon Linux looks like it comes closest: Linux kernel, libc 4, and a BSD userland. There are pieces of GNU software included, and I admit that I don't know how essential some of them are. Bash can be replaced by other shells, gcc (and maybe binutils?) isn't needed merely for the system to function. It seems (to me) that libc is the really hard part, anything else could be replaced with a bit of effort.

There is also Pliant (their website claims to actually run on their OS), but I can't find anywhere on their site to easily verify how much GNU is in there, so it probably shouldn't count. I just found mentions of it running without GNU while searching the web.

Whether you accept these examples or not (I'm not sure I would myself if I knew more about the lower level of the system), I'll stop bothering you. I've lost the energy I had for this subthread when I joined it, and probably neither of us will be swayed. Thanks for the discussion, and I apologize for the condescension. I understand your point of view, even if I don't agree.

Well, the original post was wrong. Telegraph Park isn't the smallest park. But, neither is Salem's Waldo Park. Portland's Mill Ends Park is. At a whopping 452 square inches, it is too small to even hold a tree.

(I was going to have a link to the Guiness World Records page on it, but their site is a little wonky right now, and their search seems to be borked. So Answers.com will have to suffice in its place.)

And about Portland being so .org. . . I'm part of that, as my own personal domain is a .org! As is my business, for that matter. (All right, so my company is really a .com, but I happen to also own the .org. . .)

Thank you, thank you, thank you for mentioning that. I was hoping someone would when I saw the article on the front page.

While Portland is only a subsection of Metro's area, I don't know if I'd say that the site only has "limited data". While the amount of info is a little scarry, it was very intresting finding all about a tiny triangle of property that was in the paper.

Oh, and there's a news story in Real about the whole e-govt.

(I live just down in Salem) http://www.jasonmchuff.net/

pay no attention to the man behind the curtains!

It's starting to pick up steam. For everyone's sake, I hope this is all piss and wind but it's starting to look pretty legitimate.

There's a comment on this blog that suggests that there are more than one, I'm guessing the one you cite isn't the one in Nevada).
Portland Communique also mentions that they're seeing something similar in Portland.

Personal Telco Project is a Federal tax-exempt 501(c)(3) and an Oregon non-profit organization. We want to facilitate partnerships with local businesses, and in doing so permit the raising of funds though tax-deductible contributions.

The BSA, and the SPA before it, have to be the biggest idiots ever. If you like that though, you'll love this eBay auction I posted a few days ago for an old 1990's SPA poster showing a pair of hand cuffs and the text, "Copy software illegaly and you could get this hardware absolutely free." Hillarious. Idiots I tell you.

Anyway, photo of the poster at:
http://tofu.portland.or.us/ebay/copythatfloppy.jpg

eBay auction if you're interested at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1 &item=3741256320

Anybody have any idea how incredibly hard it is to find a good outside location in the shade with both a Personal Telco node and a working electrical outlet? I have no idea how Pioneer Square hosts so many events when out of two dozen outlets I found, only one works, and it's located on the roof of the TriMet bunker on the side of the podium that overlooks the square, which also happens to double as a public restroom for the Californian rejects who end up homeless here.

Don't forget! Portland also has the World's Smallest Park too!!

-Nick

Yes, welcome, Linus!!!

If you need some help in getting oriented or someone to show you around, send me an email.

Living in Portland is far better than in NoCal. NoCal has too many cars and bad smog.

Here's useful info:

Portland has the largest bookstore in the world.

Portland borders on the confluence of the Willamette River and the Columbia River, one of the largest rivers in the world.

One of the 7 WindSurfing Wonders of the World is in the Columbia River Gorge, on the eastern edge of the Portland metropolitan area.

Portland has one of the largest and most successful dealers in contemporary art in the world. The gallery has a funny name, but shows the work of over 1,100 artists.

Portland has the largest park inside a city in the world. The park has over 74 miles of wilderness hiking trails and 5,124 acres.

Portland is the home of Pink Martini, a band that writes multi-cultural songs. One of Pink Martini's songs was once one of the most popular songs in France. You can listen to the music video.

It's a 55 minute drive from downtown Portland to the ski areas. "World Class Skiing in Your Own Backyard."

The K-12 Linux Project, in Portland, is one of the more successful projects for giving Linux to average users, who in this case are students.

On the other hand: Q. Why do hippies come to Portland? A. Because there are no jobs.

Many people don't like the months of rain every year. They say Portland is the perfect place for slugs and ducks. (However, the rain cleans the air.) Those with the correct philosophical orientation call it Liquid Sunshine.

Any summary of Portland, OR is incomplete without mentioning Mill Ends Park, the world's smallest park!

I know exactly what you mean. Chuck Palahniuk describes it as a town of fugitives and refugees. It's the kind of place where pedestrians and bicyclists have the right of way, regardless of what the street lights might read, and you don't turn into a street until after everyone has crossed (the opposite of Dallas, at least). It's also the kind of place where an office lunch is just as likely to be held in a bar as in the local sandwich shop. Speaking of bars, the area's known for its microbreweries as well. And there's Powell's Books, of course, the largest bookstore in the world, in case you get bored with walking around...

The city itself's only a couple hundred thousand people. You can see a couple mountains from downtown, depending on where you are and how hazy/misty the weather is. There's great scenery just minutes away in every direction. The west stretch of Highway 26 is also called Sunset Highway, for good reason - it runs out to the coast, which has some excellent beaches (look up Cannon Beach and Haystack Rock on Google images for pretty pictures). The weather is generally milder than Dallas; I didn't have air conditioning in my apartment, and only felt I needed it about 3 weeks out of the year, and I kept a kitchen window partly open almost all winter long. As for rain, when I moved up there the average rainfall was 31 inches, and Dallas' was 33 - it's just that Dallas has a few gully-washers yearly, whereas Portland enjoys mist or drizzle a couple times a week much of the year.

I do have to warn you though, it does (or did) have the highest suicide rate in the U.S, probably due in part to the fact that the sky is often overcast, there's less peak light (unless you mean on mountain peaks) at that lattitude, and so forth. However, I actually prefer those conditions to the ones down here, so I was happy during the winter months.

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Nice travel-guide-related website: Lonely Planet

events calendar

Powell's history page [comment regarding my relationship with them through my excellent former employer deleted]
If that's not bookish enough, try Reed. "Reedy" is a fitting name for most of the students.

public gardens If you're at all interested in nice gardens to walk through, the International Rose Test Garden is a great place to walk around.
If you have more time, the Japanese Garden is pretty must the only garden outside Japan considered to be "real" (the Mt. Fuji-stand-in doesn't hurt, either)

At some point, if you drink alcohol, or even just eat, you might end up visiting one of these. They've converted a lot of old schools, etc. into pubs along with the usual locations.

You probably won't want to go out there if you don't have much time on your trip, but see if you can recognize this hotel from the picture. [It's this one, Slashdotters]

The Columbia River Highway runs east of Portland, and includes some nice scenery of Multnomah Falls and the Gorge area.

Out west is Cannon Beach and Haystack Rock.

Oh, tying almost everything in town is the MAX, the light rail service. Gues

It's probably no accident that he and the The Open Source Development Lab are in Portland.

Linus doesn't actually live here. He still lives in San Jose.

Portland has the largest bookstore in the world.

Powell's always bills itself as "the largest used and new bookstore in the world". They always include that phrase "used and new", leading me to believe that there is actually a larger new-only bookstore somewhere else. But I don't know for sure.

Portland has the largest park inside a city in the world.

Not only that, we have the smallest city park, too! 452 square inches!

Linus Torvalds can go anywhere. It's probably no accident that he and the The Open Source Development Lab are in Portland. (Beaverton is one of the towns that are part of the metropolitan area of 1.4 million people called Portland.)

Portland has the largest bookstore in the world.

Portland has one of the largest and most successful dealers in contemporary art in the world. The gallery has a funny name, but shows the work of over 1,100 artists.

Portland has the largest park inside a city in the world. The park has over 74 miles of wilderness hiking trails.

Portland is the home of Pink Martini, a band that writes multi-cultural songs. One of Pink Martini's songs was once one of the most popular songs in France. You can listen to the music video.

It's a 55 minute drive from downtown Portland to the ski areas. "World Class Skiing in Your Own Backyard."

The K-12 Linux Project, in Portland, is one of the more successful projects for giving Linux to average users, who in this case are students.

Portland borders on the confluence of the Willamette River and the Columbia River, one of the largest rivers in the world. The Columbia River Gorge, on the eastern edge of Portland, is a world class wind-surfing area.

On the other hand: Q. Why do hippies come to Portland? A. Because there are no jobs.

Many people don't like the months of rain every year. They say Portland is the perfect place for slugs and ducks. (However, the rain cleans the air.)

I will not buy music before I've heard it. Bt where can I hear stuff outside the mainstream? Not on the radio (they won't play them), and not in the record store.

Maybe it is just where I live, but in Portland Oregon the locally owned record stores have no problem with you listening to new CDs before you buy them.

(In particular, I like Ozone, Everyday Music, Djangos and Timbuktunes.)

It has gotten to the point that the few times that I do go into a big chain record store I'm suprised that they won't let me listen to something before I buy it. But then that just encourages me more to put my money into the local economy.

Timbuktunes is one of my more recent finds. It is a tiny little shop that specializes in World Music but they have a good selection of New Musik. Whenever I go there I usually spend an hour or two chatting with the owner, listening to stuff, going off on tangents and often discovering lots of new stuff that I had never heard of before.

I don't mean to come off as a racist or anything, but seriously. when you are in fact a terrorist, wouldn't it make sense to sharpen up a little, maybe try and cut down on the co-worker-thinks-im-a-terrorist-because-i-look-lik e-this factor?

Went from Pack 94, Sylmar to Troop 592, Portland.

Speaking of crime data in GIS, it worth a look at your local police department to see what sorts of interesting things they have available in this area. I was surprised to find quite good GIS-based crime info for the Portland, Oregon area:

Top level link: http://www.portlandpolicebureau.com/crimemapper.ht ml

Top level map

Monster direct link to Portland downtown wide-scale crime map:

detailed downtown Portland crime info showing the locations of individual crimes.

Speaking of crime data in GIS, it worth a look at your local police department to see what sorts of interesting things they have available in this area. I was surprised to find quite good GIS-based crime info for the Portland, Oregon area:

Top level link: http://www.portlandpolicebureau.com/crimemapper.ht ml

Top level map

Monster direct link to Portland downtown wide-scale crime map:

detailed downtown Portland crime info showing the locations of individual crimes.

Speaking of crime data in GIS, it worth a look at your local police department to see what sorts of interesting things they have available in this area. I was surprised to find quite good GIS-based crime info for the Portland, Oregon area:

Top level link: http://www.portlandpolicebureau.com/crimemapper.ht ml

Top level map

Monster direct link to Portland downtown wide-scale crime map:

detailed downtown Portland crime info showing the locations of individual crimes.

Of course, if you live in Portland, OR then your tap water is bottled and sold elsewhere.

LinuxBSD would be funny--nothing GNU except for the toolchain and a few other utilities. I don't actually see a real advantage of a system like that over a standard Linux distro, but the idea amuses me :)

David Parsons created a distro a few years ago with pretty much exactly this in mind. Parsons on the GNU utilities: "Unfortunately, these tools come with a few albatrosses around their neck: FSF bloat, FSF philosophy, and Richard Stallman." One of his goals was to minimise the amount of GPL code in his distro.

It's called Mastodon Linux.

What advantage does a realtor have in spending time (and thus money) to put ads up on the internet?

My spouse and I just (two days ago) sold our house, and our realtor told us that close to 80% of their clients came to them and asked to see houses that they had found on the net. He said it was well worth the money to list the house (and get the IPix shots).

It's also great for us, since we're moving to the other side of the continent. We can pick some examples of houses we like, and give the MLS numbers to our buying agent, and save a lot of time by not looking at houses that don't fit our needs/wants.

I'm afraid I don't see much hope for the good old days when there were two dozen ISPs available here in the Portland, Oregon area. Instead, the ISP market will be mostly the impersonal national companies.

It's already blindingly obvious that the cable modem market in the US will never allow a local ISP a share of the market, which is one reason I prefer DSL: I can get my service from a local ISP. Sure, the line still comes from Verizon, but it's better than nothing.

But the DSL market is going the way of the cable modem market. Companies like Earthlink, the ISP-eating monster, are rapidly buying up the small town ISP as they find themselves unable to compete with the budget of national companies, regardless of the quality of service.

So, that's my bleak outlook on things. Last year, there were no less than 7 ISPs in my area offering DSL service. Since then, two have gone out of business, two have been purchased by national companies, and a couple others are fledging. One remains in high standing, and that's the one I'm with. :) Hopefully they can hold off the soulless acquisition advance for a few years.

If you liked that, you'll love this.