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I think 17" qualifies as UXGA (I think 1280x1024), which of course, can be had for $500. I am pretty sure one can get a laptop with 1400something x 1000 screen for $1000. Not exactly an apples comparison but the laptop has a better resolution screen than what you can find as a stand-alone monitor for $1000.

Nope. UXGA is a resolution measure (1600x1200), not size, and generally is found on 15"+ laptop LCDs (and usually you pay a premium for it, so I'd like to know where the author found this $1000 UXGA laptop), and even on a few 14.x" laptop LCDs. The 15", 17", and even most 19" desktop LCD displays I've seen in stores (sub-$1000 for most of them, but close to or slightly over $1000 for some of the 19"s) are all 1280x1024, which make them not UXGA. From Pricewatch, 19" UXGA LCD monitors start at $845, and quickly goes up from there if you want a quality name-brand. There are no 17" UXGA LCD monitors listed on Pricewatch.

I think 17" qualifies as UXGA (I think 1280x1024), which of course, can be had for $500. I am pretty sure one can get a laptop with 1400something x 1000 screen for $1000. Not exactly an apples comparison but the laptop has a better resolution screen than what you can find as a stand-alone monitor for $1000.

Nope. UXGA is a resolution measure (1600x1200), not size, and generally is found on 15"+ laptop LCDs (and usually you pay a premium for it, so I'd like to know where the author found this $1000 UXGA laptop), and even on a few 14.x" laptop LCDs. The 15", 17", and even most 19" desktop LCD displays I've seen in stores (sub-$1000 for most of them, but close to or slightly over $1000 for some of the 19"s) are all 1280x1024, which make them not UXGA. From Pricewatch, 19" UXGA LCD monitors start at $845, and quickly goes up from there if you want a quality name-brand. There are no 17" UXGA LCD monitors listed on Pricewatch.

Yes, but you could build a real system for that much by looking on PriceWatch...

If this current situation shows anything, it is what happens to companies when they make deals with Microsoft. AMD's Chairman and former CEO Jerry Sanders agreed to testify on Bill G's behalf for the antitrust trial as long as MS ported windows to Opteron and Athlon 64.

But hey, if you get your $30-60/hr programmers to sift through their stuff constantly and clean it up instead of doing their real jobs, you'll save SO MUCH MONEY!!!!

Oh, you wanted a positive ROI? Sheesh!

15 inch for $215, if that's what he really wants.

17 inch start at $333

The above 18 inch for $444 is a great price.

19 inch start at $590

15 inch for $215, if that's what he really wants.

17 inch start at $333

The above 18 inch for $444 is a great price.

19 inch start at $590

"revenues for LCDs by the end of this year will top the CRT revenues."

Of course, according to current street prices, it only takes ~25 19" LCDs to make the same gross revenue as ~100 19" CRTs.

Revenue is an extremely poor indicator of a new technology's presence in a marketplace.

Higher revenue leads to companies thinking this is a viable (desktop) technology. That will stimulate more research, more development, and more production.
And that means that one day they'll be cheap enough for me to own; a simple pricewatch check shows that I could get a 17-inch LCD monitor for $333 OR spend $329 on a 21-inch CRT monitor. Which do you think (given only $350) I'd rather do?
Also, this article makes an interesting claim that LCDs haven't done as well as they might've because "the human eye needs to see 25 frames per second to be tricked into thinking that motion is continuous, and LCD monitors have often failed to meet this specification". Um, my laptop LCD has a fixed 60Hz refresh rate. If that's what Computerworld is talking about, they're full of it.

the Athlon seems to do a good job keeping up with the P4, and at a lower price...The Athlon XP 3000+ has essentially the same performance as a P4

If you did a little research, you would find that the XP 3000+ is actually $9 more expensive than the Pentium 4 3.06GHz. The XP 2800+ is $22 more expensive than the P4 2.8GHz.

Now AMD's chips are better than Intel's.

Thats a pretty bold statement, and its just not supported by any facts. Have you even looked at the benchmark results? AMD's latest and greatest beat the 3 GHZ P4 in 1 test out of 23. Not very impressive. Especially considering the AMD chip costs about $20 more than the Intel chip.

Amazon has a decent browsing systems in place, but once I find something I want I use a cheap book search engine or go elsewhere to find cheap computer components or use another engine to fine cheap stuff. In the end I pay less for the product + SH than any browser purchaseing directly from amazon.

Amazon does charge different people different prices, dumb people who shop there end up paying a lot more money.

I am sure most intelligent shoppers will look at the difference in price between Dell-installed-ram and after market ram...

Didn't you?

According to the MegaHertz performance (HINT) rating, I can buy a 1,100! MHz AMD Duron CPU for $29! And this Duron is Amd64 and Alpha EV6 compliant! Duron has always been 64bit, baby! WAHOO!

look here:

pricewatch

almost $3000 for the chip. wow, and for so many mhz, too...

Not to mention 16x9 is a rip off

do the math, the diagnal on a 16"x9" screen is 18.35, and gives you 144" square.

Now look at a square 18" screen (yes I know they're not totally square, but they are mostly): 12.7"x12.7" and 162" square.

on plasma screens especially, the lesser the materials, the cheaper (unless you have economy of scale working against you)!

the only thing it'd be good for is letterbox, but who uses their computer in letterbox (aside from silly iMac people)?

My solution? buy this, you might have to get an HDTV tuner, but it'll be all digital, 1024x768, will input VGA from your computer, and will be less than $1,100 (including shipping) off pricewatch, and it's 27inches of happiness!

Or, try DeskNote a929, which you can price at PriceWatch ( though I don't see any of the 1400x1050 versions there ), or on froogle.google.com, whough they don't sort-by .. anything .. apparently...

Regardless, if I'm not in the mood to build a box I think I'd trust Alienware for a gaming machine over anyone else out there.

I don't believe that it will hurt all online sales, but to some extent it will. Here's why: most of the stuff I buy online I do so because either I can't buy it at a local brick and mortar or because it's far cheaper online. If it is available both online and locally, I compare the final price - which is cheaper, buying locally and paying tax or buying online and paying shipping? Then I consider the time to wait for shipping. From that, I decide which is the best option, if in fact there is an option.

For places like Wal-Mart, Target, and Toys 'r Us, it will probably hurt online commerce because people will just go to the local store. But the store is still getting their money, so they aren't actually hurt. For places that aren't so physically pervasive, such as purveyors of computer components, online sales won't be hurt if they eventually have to collect taxes. If I'm looking to buy an Athlon XP2000+ and I check the local shop and find it to be, say $200 plus 7% tax for a retail box and find it on pricewatch for $115 plus tax and shipping, I'll certainly buy it from the online shop, after checking out their credibility on the BBB of course.

"These systems were around $40,000 when first released. Each R12000 400MHz has a SpecFP2000 of around 350-360 and so it's approximately equal to an Athlon 1.2GHz. The caveat is that the SpecFP2000 benchmark is actually made up of a bunch of other, smaller, tests. For computational fluid dynamics or neural network image recognition, the 400MHz SGI CPU is 2.5 to 5 times faster than the Athlon!"

WOW! 2.5 times faster than a 1.2Ghz Athlon!? Man, you'd almost need a $168 2.4 Ghz Athlon to keep up! I wish they made them!

P.S. The 3.06 Ghz P4 is just under 1000 on the SpecFP benchmark.

Check pricewatch.com, but be careful not to get burned. $80 drives are listed, but that seems mighty low... As always, buyer beware :)

I got tired of waiting, but didn't do anything for Intel, as their 64bit offering is $,$$$, not $$$. I plopped the bucks for an XP 2600+/333 and it's holding the page for now.

I got tired of waiting, but didn't do anything for Intel, as their 64bit offering is $,$$$, not $$$. I plopped the bucks for an XP 2600+/333 and it's holding the page for now.

> But if you're buying with an eye toward the future then you'd be smart to buy a DX9 compliant card, whether it's the ATI 9700 or GFFx. That or buy a $100 GF4 Ti4200 now and the 9700/Fx a year or so from now for $150ish.

Yes, I' of the same opinion. In case any one is curious, here's the Bang for the Buck ratios. (Yes, I know a straight linear equation is accurate, but it's "good enough.")

Performance from: Tom's Hardware VGA Charts - 3D Mark 2001 SE
Prices from: Price Watch - Video Cards


Video Card Name ...Performance Price .. Perf / Price
Radeon 9700 Pro ... 15497 .... $225 ... 68.88
GeForce 4 Ti4600 .. 13464 .... $216 ... 62.33
GeForce 4 Ti4400 .. 12805 .... $187 ... 68.48
GeForce 4 Ti4200 .. 12122 .... $112 .. 108.23
GeForce 3 Ti 500 .. 10232 .... $206 ... 49.67
GeForce 3 Ti 200 ... 8440 ..... $82 .. 102.93


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Seriously, though. If you are looking for backup utilities, NONAGS has several that might be useful for spanning your disks. I personally use Polder Backup onto a separate drive, backing up only those things which I can't replace (photos, text documents, and music). You could also use CYGWIN to zip / tar your entire drive, then use Chokkin Pettan to segment into CD-sized bites. From personal experience I can tell you that programs other than CYGWIN choke on 5 GB+ files. Maybe a backup drive is in order?

Moreover, there's only one drive (a Samsung 120G) that's at this $1/G price point. Every drive with a larger or smaller capacity is more than $1/G.

AMD should still be able to undercut Intel's outrageous pricing

Have you checked prices lately? Lets look at some current chip prices. An Athlon 2600 (yes, the 2800 still is not on the shelves yet) runs for about $280. The 2600 competes roughly with the P4 2.6 GHz (AMD didn't just pull the model number 2600 out of nowhere), and that chip costs about $270- Intel is about $10 cheaper.

chips that have a detailed instruction set, not chips that just do nothing fast

Well, aside from some of the non-standard instruction set extensions that have no effect on 90% of the applications out there, AMD uses the exact same instruction set as Intel. I thought that was pretty obvious, though.

especially if this could hurt Intel and insure that AMD will be able to compete with them for years to come

This is not going to hurt Intel- they have similar technology sharing agreements with IBM already (on top of the billions that they already spend researching manufacturing tech).

The problem with going any further is that the driver for smartcards has to be on the device. Compact Flash cards have the driver on the card itself. It is a trivial matter to put in a 5 GB CF microdrive in CF 2 devices from 8 years ago, but it is impossible to use any particular smart media card unless the manufacturer has specifically programmed the device to be able to handle it. So unless you are willing to program the firmware for either the device or the recepticle, you probably aren't going to find what you are looking for*.

Of course, if you do, please keep us posted. We've got a few somewhat useless Rio PMP 300's that would love to be PMPed out.

Sorry, I've been saving that pun for years.

-C

*It's extremely unlikely, but theoretically possible, that you may be able to connect an IDE controller in place of the smart card controller, but I really doubt it.

Well first of all there is a difference, between the All In Wonder 9700 Pro and Just he 9700 Pro. The All In Wonder does video editing, has a built in TV tuner etc. However, $715 is a total rip off. On PriceWatch, the 9700 Pro starts for about $232. For a Geforce 4 TI 4600 (only fair since it is Nvidia's flag ship, yes the 4200 is much cheaper), it starts aroudn $220 (Prices are USD). Yes, the all in wonder is expensive as hell, but the 9700 Pro is pretty competative actually.

> First, you can't get a decent Geforce4 Ti for ~$100. Maybe a Geforce4MX, but that is a severly crippled GF4, so much so that even John Carmack said not to get one. A Geforce4 4200 (which is the lowest Geforce 4 is about $150.

Try using Pricewatch. I found the same price, $110 for a GeForce4 Ti4200. This is not an MX model.

Okay, i was checking up on Pricewatch to see the price differences between the R9700 and nVidia's offerings. WTf is up with this GF4 TI 4800? Is it just a version that supports AGP 8x ? Because, it's MORE expensive by 20 bucks than a Radeon 9700Pro (at 232$)

Okay, i was checking up on Pricewatch to see the price differences between the R9700 and nVidia's offerings. WTf is up with this GF4 TI 4800? Is it just a version that supports AGP 8x ? Because, it's MORE expensive by 20 bucks than a Radeon 9700Pro (at 232$)

The only difference is 1/2 the memory bandwidth. While that may seem like a lot, the 9500 pro actually gives @ 70% of the performance of the 9700 Pro.

and....

The 9700 Pro, 9700, and the 9500 Pro use the exact same GPU. So download a new bios at www.3dchipset.com/temp/warp11.zip and you can overclock the GPU to get almost 90% of the performance of a 9700 Pro.

Read all about it here Firingsquad.com

Also make sure to get DirectX 9

and New Catalyst 3.0 Drivers

And the 9500 Pro is a cheap at $180 delivered.

www.pricewatch.com

Okay, i was checking up on Pricewatch to see the price differences between the R9700 and nVidia's offerings. WTf is up with this GF4 TI 4800? Is it just a version that supports AGP 8x ? Because, it's MORE expensive by 20 bucks than a Radeon 9700Pro (at 232$)

I still agree with whoever (likely several people) said that its pointless to spend so much cash when this kind of polygon pumping power isnt even needed yet.
By the time you actually NEED one of these it will be in the 150$ range; the only reason you need one now is the geek equivalent of penis envy

The last time I checked, Pricewatch and PriceGrabber still found the better deals.

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You can get a Radeon 9500 for $150. If you get paid less than $300 a month, I feel sorry for you.

For those of you that keep saying 'It makes no sense because you spend the difference of cost on the adapter', here is some help with very simple math:

From pricewatch.com as of today:

180GB IDE: $257

181.6GB SCSI: $894

160GB IDE: $223

146GB SCSI: $890

If you consider that the adapter costs about $100 (MSRP, so you'll probably pay less) then it's still worth it by a long shot for large capacity drives.

Also note that those SCSI drive prices seem a little low. They're usually a _LOT_ more.

Of course, if you buy a new system and decide to get a scsi card, this adapter and ide drives, you deserve to get kicked in the head, BUT if you are for example trying to gain cheap extra storage (for not mission-critical data) to add onto existing scsi systems, then this can shave of half the cost or more.

Do a bit of research before posting next time. Run over to pricewatch and do a bit of comparison shopping. Ohhh! whats that? 1U rack mount PC cases START at $250 and the nice one's cost around $300.

But [storage space] isn't as expensive for them as it is for us. You see, our characters are much more expensive to store than those of other games.....

Okay, so let me get this straight: They aren't going to allow multiple characters because of "storage constraints?" According to PriceWatch, the cost per gigabyte is rapidly approaching $1/GB. You can't expect me to believe that even storing the massive amounts of data for "customized faces" can't be more than a few hundred KB. So at most, an entire account might run up a few MB. Just in the initial purchase price alone, they could reserve a whole GB for you to use and still come out profiting.

Sorry, but I tried getting some decent quotes and couldn't find anything good. Nowhere near as good as Pricewatch

Froogle definately looks cool. I mainly looked through froogle to see how well it pulled up against Pricewatch as far as computer equipment goes. While it had some good deals, it just couldn't keep up with the shear mass amount of resellers that pricewatch lists. I do have to say it looked nice with pretty pictures. Maybe though when froogle gets out of beta they'll list more stores. My little test makes me wonder though if Froogle is a partnered system, where they only list people who sign up to be listed on it. This would be most unlike Google, that scours for every and any link. Well whether people sign up or they have froogle spiders that go out and find good deals.. It'd be great to have a tool like pricewatch that you could find lots of other items besides computer stuff on sale for cheap prices.

A supplier will sell you a cheap OEM Microsoft OS if you can prove to them you just bought a new hard drive or a new CPU. I think you have to supply them with an invoice or something, but usually I order my OS from the same supplier I get my hard drive from and that does the trick.

Got to http://www.pricewatch.com/ and click on Software on the upper right menu.

$14 - Windows XP Pro
$14 - Windows XP Home
$68 - Windows XP Academic
$12 - Windows 2000 Pro OS
$6 - Operating Systems
$107 - Windows 2000 Pro Upgrade
$36 - Windows Millennium
$18 - Windows 98
$19 - Windows 95
$33 - Windows 2000 Server
$31 - Server Upgrade
$29 - NT Server
$24 - NT 4.0
$14 - Linux
$77 - OS 2
$17 - Kit
$12 - Service
$6 - ...All in Category

x = ln(10^1.24e12)/ln(2)
515e9

For those of you who looked at the above and said "HUH?"...

What he was trying to said is that you'd need a 480 gig hard drive to store it.

480 gig hard drive:
Myinfinity.com 888-474-6988 212-404-6188--P.O.'s IN STOCK, Snap 4100 Server 480GB NAS Network Attached Storage 480Gig 480.0GBENET 10/100 SERVER MODEL 4100 480.0 Gig Part # 5325301448 manufacture package with $250 Mail-In Rebate ends 10/31
Price: $ 3649
Ship: FREE
Updated:11/22,?5:40PM

In other words you'd need $3649 to store the number.

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So, I don't think many people will be following your example.
Although you might make a good example in the M$ vs Lindows suit for the prosecution!

Pricewatch is a great example of how well comparing prcies can work. My only guess is 2 things. Wal-mart doesn't want people to know that they're really not "rolling back prices" as well as their competitors, or they just can't bear to stand anyone making any money on "their" hard work.

Who knows. Pricewatch is opt-in. Fatwallet was not.

Heheh, of course, Wal-mart selling my demographic information was NOT opt-in!

Price Watch. Look for yourself, you sarcastic asshole.

Like it or not folks, as e-mail becomes more important, it will be used by business to do business. Hopefully they will refrain from jamming everyone's inbox with "buy buy buy," (something I do not support), but if businesses and professionals can't introduce themselves to one another, the economy stops. Period.

What, these people have never heard of Google? Pricewatch.com? Pricegrabber.com? ResellerRatings.com?

If you think business will need to rely on blind dispatch of email to random people to grow and prosper, then business is in deep doo-doo.

Schwab

I hope you aren't paying more than about $600 for a 5110 :) but, I wouldn't really consider the 5110 a "top-of-the-line" card anymore.

Hell you can get a 6110 for less than $1400. Now a 7110 or 7210 might cost you $3000...

Nowadays there are plenty of cheap monitors that can do 75Hz+ refresh at 1600x1200. I'm using a 19" Iiyama Vision Master which can do 72Hz refresh at 1600x1200. Similar 19" monitors cost about USD130 on. There's no noticeable flicker.

You can get XP Pro (OEM though, but hey, it's cheap) for about $85 nowadays. It comes with a liscence and a manual with a serial # on it, so it's all legit. You still save $215.