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It just has to have a paper trail, not reveal to outsiders who you voted for, and, y'know, not be backed with Microsoft Access. ...and has to be independently verifiable by the individual voter. The common problem with any e-voting scheme is that you need a trusted party: you must assume that the people who build the machines, install the firmware, install the software, vote and perform the count are all corrupt. If you don't work with that assumption then, by definition, you end up with a system that is less secure than pencil and paper for a lot more money. The reason that you currently like your pet project is that you trust the people in charge. If you want to see why it won't work, imagine the same project with Wally O'Dell on the board (what is stopping him from taking over? Happy thoughts and good intents or a well-thought out bulletproof plan that allows anyone to be on the board but, um, you know, not just anyone?). As much as I dislike MS, Access is a red herring: any database can be engineered to keep an extra set of books, falsify reports and change timestamps.

There is also the convenience factor. I or anyone else can validate the pencil and paper voting process to an extremely high degree of confidence by just spending the day at the polls. It would take me close to a month to disassemble, rebuild, reinstall and verify any computerized system (more for a web server, less for the counter) and I would only trust is as long as it was under my eye (and did not have any personally well understood webservices running). Are you planning on giving every single voter the right to do that (a right intrinsic to a pencil and paper system)? What is the plan for accommodating those requests on voting day? "Trust us"?

Encrypt all communications because http://www.whitehouse.org/Mr. Evil is http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Countdown_Telcom_whistleblower_describes_secret_room_1107.htmllistening.

The British Pornographic Institute (the UK's RIAA)

The British Phonographic Institute (the UK's RIAA)

Memo

To: All Revolution Participants
From: Agent 1011128

Encrypt all communications because Mr. Evil is listening.

Regards,
Kilgore Trout, ACTIVIST

That killer(KSH) is a killer of thousands of innocent people - Americans and other nationalities in the WTC, and bragged about it to his interrogators.

Um...you do know he was tortured into his confession, right? And that it more than likely is a complete fabrication?

Does your Christian duty prevent you from harming others in self defense or in defense of innocents?

Um, actually, yes. If someone strikes us we're supposed to turn the other cheek. (Man am I in a weird discussion, with a supposed Christian who's apparently never heard of Jesus.)

But, anyway, there's a difference between using force to physically stop someone from causing harm, using force to detain someone dangerous to society, and using force to hurt them until they do what you want them to. The Catholic church has been making exactly that distinction for quite some time, it's how a 'just war' is, in fact, supposed to operate.

I disapprove of known innocent people being imprisoned. But I am a realist enough to know that no system of deciding guilt or innocence is perfect, and therefore, if we are ever to imprison anyone, we are likely to end up imprisoning some innocents.

Um, duh. Which is why we have a court system deliberately set up to minimize such mistakes. A court system that Bush is not using, instead preferring to rely on one where lawyers often cannot speak to their clients and courts make determinations with merely the prosecution speaking and the defense not even informed until the decision is over. A court system they were forced to implement in the first place, instead of just detaining and torturing people forever without trial.

Nonsense on stilts. Just because they haven't been found guilty does not mean they aren't guilty.

YES. IT. DOES.

That's how 'innocent until proven guilt' works, that has been the legal premise for all of civilization dating back before this country was founded. You are innocent until you are found guilty.

You are using a particular legal system of a few countries to bolster an assertion about actual guilt.

No, you're using a legal term and pretending it means something else, but you're using it in the context of what we can and cannot legally do.

Do you mean that we shouldn't interrogate them unless we have judicially proven them guilty? Not even the police work that way.

The police, as human beings with freedom of speech, can ask whatever questions they want about anything whenever. What they cannot do is require anyone to answer them, or torture people until they do.

By the way, nobody at Gitmo has ever been tortured, and nobody there has even been waterboarded. For that matter, only 3 people have been waterboarded by the CIA, one the planner of 9-11, and he broke and provided intelligence that saved many lives. Oh really?

Not only has there been verschärfte vernehmung, but it was approved from the top. (Sorry, I slipped into German there. 'Enhanced interrogations.') Considering that people have died there from hypothermia (In Cuba of all places) and stress positions, I wonder, exactly, what you think is going on there.

Now, you're correct in that we don't have any confirmed waterboarding at Gitmo, but considering that several dozen people there have never been allowed to speak with lawyers or anyone at all (And that's just the people we know about.), saying that 'nobody' there has been waterboarded is idiotic.

There's a little problem with your assertion. He did NOT see those abuses.

Well, why don't you actually come up with some actual lie he's made about that. Oh, right.

As for the "someone who actually tortures innocents" "not in the heat of battle" - you have a little problem there too. First, we are in battle.

We're not in

People who actually organize, in advance, the violent sub-groups within these larger professional protest organizations sure as hell SHOULD be considered dangerous.

Absolutle. Those law enforcement agencies that organize agents provocateur sure as hell SHOULD be considered dangerous. (That includes the Canadians, too.) Far more dangerous than the occasional idiot who thinks throwing rocks through windows has something to do with anarchy.

Those in charge of Congress and the Senate seem to be pretty beholden to groups like MoveOn.org...

Troll, or delusional? Only his brain-care specialist knows for sure!

  other sites.

Why don't you report the news about how this criminal has stolen the U.S.
Treasury for private profit?

Thanks for your support.

PatRIOTically,
K. Trout

The Afghanistan war was planned before 9/11.

The decision to launch the Iraq war was made before 9/11.

The decision to launch a war against Iran was made before 9/11.

The Patriot Act was written before 9/11.

The government's spying on Americans began before 9/11.

The government knew that terrorists could use planes as weapons -- and had even run its own drills of planes being used as weapons against the World Trade Center and other U.S. high-profile buildings, using REAL airplanes -- all before 9/11.

The government heard the 9/11 plans from the hijackers' own mouths before 9/11.

No steel-framed high-rise building had ever collapsed due to fire before 9/11.

The neocons who now run the U.S. government lamented, before 9/11, that they could not institute their plans for global domination without a "new Pearl Harbor".

Did 9/11 really "change everything"? Or was everything we're seeing now planned before 9/11?

What are you all so worried about ? Don't you trust your Dear Executive ? I am *sure* the Dear Executive has gone to great lengths to verify that no-fly lists only contain those individuals who are a threat to the current regime, like in this case of the evil Princeton law professor. Hey, listen, if you're against our leaders, why should you be able to fly ? North Korea doesn't allow freedom of movement either. In fact, the Dear Leader there made the wise decision that even a trip to the next town requires a permit. That way, nasty dissidents and threats can't meet for subversive evil. So, grow up, and join patriotic Americans in thought purity. Pure thought, travel all you want. Thank You, Dear Leader !!

Celebrate Che Guevara.

Thanks for your support of freedom.

Cheers,
K. Trout, Marxist

To someone who is mired in electronics on a daily basis, a circuit board doesn't "look like a bomb" but it actually looks like homework, or a radio, or a motherboard, or something else. For this student and other students like her, when they look at a circuit board, "bomb" is the furthest thing from their mind.

A better analogy would be a butcher who goes to the airport directly from work with blood still on his clothing and thinks nothing of it because being covered in animal blood all day is completely normal for him.

So really, let's consider some common sense here: not all perspectives are equal. What is obvious to you is not obvious to the next person, because the origin of their perspective is drastically different. In the most blatant logical example: If you have three people standing in different places looking at the same large cylindrical object, one looking directly perpendicular to the longitudinal axis, one looking directly along the longitudinal axis, and one between those two positions; they will each respectively see a rectangle, a circle, and a cylinder. What is completely obvious to one is inaccessible to the others, making the "commonality" of "common sense" rather questionable.

What is unfortunate about this story is the reminder that the majority (also known as "the dumb") are seeing bombs and terrorists everywhere that there are none.

Those German wiretaps didn't need to go around the FISA law that protected us from them without warrants. They didn't need the FISA law weakened last month by Congress the way Bush wanted. McConnel is lying, and the NY Times knows it, though it didn't report that.

Those German wiretaps didn't need to go around the FISA law that protected us from them without warrants. They didn't need the FISA law weakened last month by Congress the way Bush wanted. McConnel is lying, and the NY Times knows it, though it didn't report that.

Because your government agencies are here to help http://rawstory.com//news/2007/New_York_Times_Wire taps_on_Americans_0908.html

It's source is a Fox News piece. You remember them, they're the ones who claimed beloved children's television host "Mr Rogers destroyed an entire generation of children's lives."

Once I got to "Hollywood limousine liberals" in the article, my eyes started to glaze over. The blogger is like The Rude Pundit, only not being as sarcastic.

To the merits of the discussion: Hollywood does not like to get too mired in political controversies. Show me a pro-Palestine movie from Hollywood. They may be socially liberal, but know that certain things won't make them money and will only bring trouble. Still, they support the troops, and get outraged when someone tries to blame the troops. Maybe the fact that the troops have changed in demographics, becoming more black and hispanic and female, means that the G.I. Joe is no longer that representative?

Kinda like the guy named Barack Hussein Obama?

It's sad, but I do really think that both being black and being named Barack Hussein Obama pretty much nix any chance of him being elected regardless of any consideration of what kind of president he would be.

But on the other hand, if we do elect a black man whose middle name is the name of an ex-dictator and whose last name is easily confused with that of an international terrorist, I will shed a tear and salute the flag of the greatest country on earth.

My question then is, What could they do to make him look any dumber than he already is?

Absolutely unfounded... There are entirely too many checks and balances in place for the VP (or any politician for that matter) to create his own classification scheme.

• A reference from rawstory.com, with the daily show clip.
• The Washington Post article
• Story in the New York Times

Comments supportive of this bill are presumed to be from the government task force created and funded to provide paid government bloggers who will spread disinformation into the blogosphere. It's a frontpage story now,:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Nowhere_to_go_but_up _Pentagon_0717.html

but it's been going on to some extent for a long time. It's a little hard to spot sometimes, but in instances like this, where there is such an obvious potential for abuse and you see so many 'seemingly' oblivious posters supporting such calamity, it only stands to reason where it's coming from. After all, the slashdot crowd is generally a lot smarter than that.

Enjoy.

And on the e-mail privacy topic, it appears someone may be subtley telling the Pentagon cretins, "You screw with us, and we'll screw with you."

Personally I don't believe everyone (that is the Pentagon) deserves e-mail privacy. Someone has to check and see what those Office of Special Plans' doods are screwing off on.....

Is to compliment the army of droids with the orbiting battle station.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Conservative_med ia_site_claims_Bush_will_1202.html

So really, when it all boils down to it, liberals watched Star Trek, and wanted to make the world like that, whereas conservatives watched Star Wars, and wanted to make the world look like that.

Just a like President and a Vice President, there is a master and apprentice. Which is which?

More importantly: they have a great dislike of US ciulture and US companies.

And your basis for this statement is?

On a similar note you may not have realised this but there is a great deal of anti-american sentiment everywhere in the world nowadays. I will try to sum up some of the reasons I think this is below:

1) US Attitude. At the start of this discussion above there are a number of people talking like this is a frivilous lawsuit becuase of US laws. They either assumed that this must be happening in their country or that everywhere else has the same laws. Both of these assumptions are incorrect.

2) US Millitary. If you have the largest millitary in the world people get a little intimidated and hence trust you less.

3) Lack of respect for international Laws. There has long been an attitude from within the US that they should not ratify international treaties or respect international law if they dont like it (ie - Kyoto, Geneva Convention on Human Rights, International Criminal Court, Foreign Prisoner Rendition, Guantanamo Bay, etc)

For those who do not believe this here is a link:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/UN_report_moral_ indictment_of_US_0803.html

There are plenty more articles regarding this on the internet if you care to look.

This attitude would be alot more tollerable to other nations if not fot the fact that the US Govt frequently hold not following international law against other countries and then use it as an excuse for millitary action. You cannot expect other nations to obey the international community if you will not.

4) Economic Wealth - If you have more money than someone they often get jealous, especially if they are starving to death (not me, I just ate lunch).

5) American peoples attitude abroad. I mention this, but as Brit I can honestly say we are just as bad. We seem to have the attitude that everyone should bend to our whim even though we are a guest in their country. The most basic example of this is not attempting to learn the language of the countries we visit, even when there for considerable lengths of time. This may also be a cause of our attitude in this regard as everyone speaks english anyway we think this should extend to other aspects of local tradition.

When you add up all of the above they can end up being interpreted that the US government views itself and it's citizens as superior to other nations. The reality is they are just different. Every country has a few black marks on it record us Brits of course have the invention of slavery, empire, piracy (not software - the thieving ships kind is an easy way to obtain a navy) and helping to invade Iraq and Afganistan in recent times.

"Tyrants almost always disguise their lust for power as sympathy for the persecuted and downtrodden .."

Who did the following George Dubya or Chavez.

Pass a law giving him total authority over the entire federal government.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20 070509-12.html

Plotted to steal an election through a rigged electronic voting machine, targeting ethnecally unsound voters. Eg blacks and Hispanics and overseas members of the armed forces who were also black or Hispanic.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/1725601 2.htm

Invaded a country and steal the oil and sell it back to them.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/052607Z.shtml

Revoke the US commitment to the Geneva Conventions, something that was implimented by the US in the aftermath of the nazi excesses of WW2.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Cheney_criticizes_Ge neva_Convention_in_Military_0526.html

Dispense with the right to a fair trial

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2007/05/20/AR2007052001409.html

Announce you are planning to cancel the nuclear arms reduction treaty with the Russian Federation and put missiles in Bulgaria, Romania and Poland.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2007/05/20/AR2007052001409.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6708459.st m

Enthuse the police to shoot anti globalization protestors

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0&mode=relate d&search=

Yes we can

Oh please.

You are talking about a country with people on nationwide web based sex offender lists for leaving a drunken public piss or for yelling at 14 year old girls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan's_Law#Criticism

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/aug/27/critics_c all_registry_sex_offenders_vague_unfair/?state_reg ional

http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/avery/sex_offen ders_101205.htm

We are quickly creating a nation of criminals and when we finally achieve it -- we should not be surprised we are a nation of criminals. Then we will REALLY know what "chaos" looks like.

• Election staff convicted in recount rig in Ohio 2004 presidential election that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry
  
  
• Bush signs landmark executive order increasing White House power over federal agencies
  
  
• Bush's Signing Statement Dictatorship
  
  
• Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant
  
  
• Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
  
  
• US Attorney General Questions the Right to a Fair Trial
  
  
• The White House is replacing U.S. Attorneys throughout the country
  
  
• Attorneys for the District of Columbia argue that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to militias, not individuals
  
  
• U.S. citizens to be required "clearance" to leave the United States
  
  
• plenty more, regretfully...
  
  

• Election staff convicted in recount rig in Ohio 2004 presidential election that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry
  
  
• Bush signs landmark executive order increasing White House power over federal agencies
  
  
• Bush's Signing Statement Dictatorship
  
  
• Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant
  
  
• Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
  
  
• US Attorney General Questions the Right to a Fair Trial
  
  
• The White House is replacing U.S. Attorneys throughout the country
  
  
• Attorneys for the District of Columbia argue that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to militias, not individuals
  
  
• U.S. citizens to be required "clearance" to leave the United States
  
  
• plenty more, regretfully...
  
  

• Election staff convicted in recount rig in Ohio 2004 presidential election that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry
  
  
• Bush signs landmark executive order increasing White House power over federal agencies
  
  
• Bush's Signing Statement Dictatorship
  
  
• Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant
  
  
• Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
  
  
• US Attorney General Questions the Right to a Fair Trial
  
  
• The White House is replacing U.S. Attorneys throughout the country
  
  
• Attorneys for the District of Columbia argue that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to militias, not individuals
  
  
• U.S. citizens to be required "clearance" to leave the United States
  
  
• plenty more...
  
  

• Election staff convicted in recount rig in Ohio 2004 presidential election that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry
  
  
• Bush signs landmark executive order increasing White House power over federal agencies
  
  
• Bush's Signing Statement Dictatorship
  
  
• Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant
  
  
• Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
  
  
• US Attorney General Questions the Right to a Fair Trial
  
  
• The White House is replacing U.S. Attorneys throughout the country
  
  
• Attorneys for the District of Columbia argue that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to militias, not individuals
  
  
• U.S. citizens to be required "clearance" to leave the United States
  
  
• plenty more...
  
  

• Election staff convicted in recount rig in Ohio 2004 presidential election that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry
  
  
• Bush signs landmark executive order increasing White House power over federal agencies
  
  
• Bush's Signing Statement Dictatorship
  
  
• Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant
  
  
• Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
  
  
• US Attorney General Questions the Right to a Fair Trial
  
  
• The White House is replacing U.S. Attorneys throughout the country
  
  
• Attorneys for the District of Columbia argue that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to militias, not individuals
  
  
• U.S. citizens to be required "clearance" to leave the United States
  
  
• plenty more...
  
  

• Election staff convicted in recount rig in Ohio 2004 presidential election that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry
  
  
• Bush signs landmark executive order increasing White House power over federal agencies
  
  
• Bush's Signing Statement Dictatorship
  
  
• Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant
  
  
• Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
  
  
• US Attorney General Questions the Right to a Fair Trial
  
  
• The White House is replacing U.S. Attorneys throughout the country
  
  
• Attorneys for the District of Columbia argue that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to militias, not individuals
  
  
• U.S. citizens to be required "clearance" to leave the United States
  
  
• plenty more...
  
  

• Election staff convicted in recount rig in Ohio 2004 presidential election that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry
  
  
• Bush signs landmark executive order increasing White House power over federal agencies
  
  
• Bush's Signing Statement Dictatorship
  
  
• Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant
  
  
• Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
  
  
• US Attorney General Questions the Right to a Fair Trial
  
  
• The White House is replacing U.S. Attorneys throughout the country
  
  
• Attorneys for the District of Columbia argue that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to militias, not individuals
  
  
• U.S. citizens to be required "clearance" to leave the United States
  
  
• plenty more regretfully, see Part II
  
  

• Election staff convicted in recount rig in Ohio 2004 presidential election that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry
  
  
• Bush signs landmark executive order increasing White House power over federal agencies
  
  
• Bush's Signing Statement Dictatorship
  
  
• Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant
  
  
• Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
  
  
• US Attorney General Questions the Right to a Fair Trial
  
  
• The White House is replacing U.S. Attorneys throughout the country
  
  
• Attorneys for the District of Columbia argue that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to militias, not individuals
  
  
• U.S. citizens to be required "clearance" to leave the United States
  
  
• plenty more regretfully, see Part II
  
  

• Election staff convicted in recount rig in Ohio 2004 presidential election that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry
  
  
• Bush signs landmark executive order increasing White House power over federal agencies
  
  
• Bush's Signing Statement Dictatorship
  
  
• Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant
  
  
• Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
  
  
• US Attorney General Questions the Right to a Fair Trial
  
  
• The White House is replacing U.S. Attorneys throughout the country
  
  
• Attorneys for the District of Columbia argue that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to militias, not individuals
  
  
• U.S. citizens to be required "clearance" to leave the United States
  
  
• plenty more, regretfully...
  
  

• Election staff convicted in recount rig in Ohio 2004 presidential election that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry
  
  
• Bush signs landmark executive order increasing White House power over federal agencies
  
  
• Bush's Signing Statement Dictatorship
  
  
• Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant
  
  
• Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
  
  
• US Attorney General Questions the Right to a Fair Trial
  
  
• The White House is replacing U.S. Attorneys throughout the country
  
  
• Attorneys for the District of Columbia argue that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to militias, not individuals
  
  
• U.S. citizens to be required "clearance" to leave the United States
  
  
• plenty more, regretfully...
  
  

I've always thought that nanotech was the new black -- now they're gone and proven me right :-)

Of course, given that it's not descended from West African slaves, is it really black?

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Colbert_question s_Obamas_blackness_0209.html :-)

You would be wrong on that. You should read the book "More guns, less crime". What you obviously have been told is what I call the "Mommy toy" reaction. That is, just take guns away as if it was a misused toy, as if that will work. It hasn't worked anywhere in the world. For instance, would you rob a bank if you thought some of the people are armed? Would you be quite so cocky if you thought the other guy is armed? No, a well armed society is a polite society. Hollywood really did the west a disservice that way. It was entertainment. I know I feel much safer out in Colorado where guys have guns on their belts than in Washington where they have proably the toughest gun laws in the country and the worst problem.

So maybe the answer is surveillance and when you find the criminal, shoot them like they do here - http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kenya_s_overworked_p olice_gun_down__01222007.html . Easier than arresting them and it would give people an incentive to not commit crimes. I know, it is negative reinforcement but it works. Shouldn't be a problem since you have them on camera. Better yet, have it set so the camera can shoot them on site. Guy tries to rob someone and suddenly he is on the ground in pain from the camera gunshot. Hey, this sounds like a movie plot.

Well, considering a quick Google search turned up that over US$34 billion were spent in advertising in China last year alone... and that the Bush administration spent US$1.6 billion on advertising since 2003. In the US, there is over US$2.4 Billion spent on advertising deodorant! It seems that you're mistaken in your assumption.

Advertising appears to be more of a world-wide expenditure.

With China's internet users set to outnumber US users in two years, why wouldn't they wan't to control the whole enchilada? http://rawstory.com/news/2006/China_internet_users _to_overtake_US_01232007.html/

RAW STORY has examined these sources and has attempted to connect the previously published materials to the redacted paragraphs in the op-ed. What the information reveals is a series of events in which US-Iran dialogue broke down. In the aftermath of 9/11, the cooperative spirit around the world sparked by America's victimhood encouraged Iran to collaborate with the United States in its effort to topple the Taliban in Afghanistan. But the goodwill that might have been sustained by those early negotiations was undermined by a series of disputes between the US and Iran.

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Not so much.

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Recall that from the information so far the investigation is into planned attack on planes with explosives by people with no tickets, no passports, no back door onto a plane, no explosives, no explosive components and no equipment to manufacture explosives.

Welcome to 2005, population you: http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Diebold_CEO_resigns_ after_reports_of_1212.html

I think we would need something like SETI@home to detect your signal. To bad Arecibo is being decomissioned.

If you voted non-republican I'll bet they just removed your noise so as to keep the signal clean anyway. Can't have the randomness of the informed screwing things up.

Kind Regards

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Hopefully the diehard Republicans will turn out tomorrow in the same force as the TrollMods. The authoritarian 23% who would drag us all along as they follow Bush over the cliff. Which should get outweighed by the 80% (including the Democrats' 3 authoritarian points) voting to stop before it's too late.