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Linus has done plenty of ad hominem attacks. This Reddit comment demonstrates some of them.

I didn't agree with the views he had, but he never attacked any of the people that worked for him over their sexual preference. He made a contribution to something he PERSONALLY felt was correct and was demonized for it years later by people too quick to pick up the pitch forks. Just like Tim Hunt, Matt Taylor and Brad Wardell.

I want you to seriously think about how easy it's going to be to remove someone from any community that's preventing the shit that ended up on firefox.

Corporation and/or Government: "We want mandatory tracking in XXX"
XXX project lead: "No way, not going to happen"
Rando on Twitter: "XXX project lead is a bigot"
< Ensuing twitter storm and articles about XXX project lead >
XXX project lead: "People are sending me things in the mail and threatening my family, I have to step down"

Corporation and/or Government: "We want mandatory tracking in XXX"
New XXX project lead: "Sure thing boss."

I see a lot of parallels with other things I've seen going on over the last year. Like this for example
https://www.reddit.com/r/progr...

Labeling someone as a "bigot" is just a convenient way to get people to attack them or feel better about attacking them, allegations true or not.

Can anybody articulate more the motivations behind this hacking all the surrounding drama? I see some comments about gamer gate and social justice warriors, but I don't understand the whole picture.

A unethical journalist tried to blame the hack on Gamergate, despite the fact that the apparent hacker has made many anti-Gamergate statements. The journalist then went to a popular pro-Gamergate hub to make a show of doing the due diligence and research he should have done before publishing his inaccurate article, and got deservedly ripped to shreds in the comments.

The bottom line is the hacker appears to be third-party troll, so you should take any motivations he voices (pro- or anti- GG or SJW) with a boulder of salt.

Note that both pro-Gamergate and SJW content creators make money from Patreon, but IMO this hack has very little to do with the usual animosity between the two groups.

Some of the comments that confuse you are probably AmiMojo's, because he is trying to conflate unrelated issues and shoehorn the hack into long-running false narrative that Gamergate is a harrassment campaign against women, so he can justify censoring its voices.

For those who didn't hear about it a week ago (there was strangely no Slashdot story), a recent event pusshing that narrative was the presentation of the "Cyber Violence Against Women and Girls" report to (by?) an offshoot of the UN (UN Women). The most ridiculous (and most widely publicized) assertion in the report was that "cyber-violence" exists and is similar to actual, physical violence:
http://time.com/4049106/un-cyb...

The U.N. defines violence against women as “any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual or psychological harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts.” The report notes that cyber violence is an extension of that definition, that includes acts like trolling, hacking, spamming, and harassment. The report also argues that “cyber touch is recognized as equally as harmful as physical touch,” suggesting that online harassment might be just as lethal as domestic violence or sexual abuse.

It's a such a blatant attempt to redefine criticism and disagreement as harassment and threats, to demonize free speech as a pretense to censorship.

The report also attacks video games by citing ridiculous sources (all at least a decade old) which say "Nintendo of America, Inc.: Manufactures Pokémon, Game-Boys, and equipment for satanic video games" and references Jack Thompson himself.

So it should come as no surprise that two of the invited the speakers (Quinn and Sarkeesian) were "SJWs" best known as prominent opponents of the Gamergate movement. Yep, Gamergate, the customer revolt demanding more ethical game journalism, whose criticism of and disagreement with the demonstrably unethical gaming press was mischaracterized as (you guessed it) "harrassment" and "threats" and widely censored in an attempt to protect the corrupt journalists, all because those journalists expressed the right politics.

Gamergate (and the FTC, responding to Gamergate pressure) succeeded in forcing many corrupt websites to update their ethics policies and start disclosing personal (and financial) relationships to the subjects of their articles, which is why you always see so many disingenuous and corrupt individuals shitting a brick over it. Two outlets that anti-Gamergate was notoriously unsuccessful at shutting down were tweets and youtube videos, which is why you saw Quinn issuing a false DMCA (against youtuber MundaneMatt) a year ago, and Sarkeesian whi

Can anybody articulate more the motivations behind this hacking all the surrounding drama? I see some comments about gamer gate and social justice warriors, but I don't understand the whole picture.

A unethical journalist tried to blame the hack on Gamergate, despite the fact that the apparent hacker has made many anti-Gamergate statements. The journalist then went to a popular pro-Gamergate hub to make a show of doing the due diligence and research he should have done before publishing his inaccurate article, and got deservedly ripped to shreds in the comments.

The bottom line is the hacker appears to be third-party troll, so you should take any motivations he voices (pro- or anti- GG or SJW) with a boulder of salt.

Note that both pro-Gamergate and SJW content creators make money from Patreon, but IMO this hack has very little to do with the usual animosity between the two groups.

Some of the comments that confuse you are probably AmiMojo's, because he is trying to conflate unrelated issues and shoehorn the hack into long-running false narrative that Gamergate is a harrassment campaign against women, so he can justify censoring its voices.

For those who didn't hear about it a week ago (there was strangely no Slashdot story), a recent event pusshing that narrative was the presentation of the "Cyber Violence Against Women and Girls" report to (by?) an offshoot of the UN (UN Women). The most ridiculous (and most widely publicized) assertion in the report was that "cyber-violence" exists and is similar to actual, physical violence:
http://time.com/4049106/un-cyb...

The U.N. defines violence against women as “any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual or psychological harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts.” The report notes that cyber violence is an extension of that definition, that includes acts like trolling, hacking, spamming, and harassment. The report also argues that “cyber touch is recognized as equally as harmful as physical touch,” suggesting that online harassment might be just as lethal as domestic violence or sexual abuse.

It's a such a blatant attempt to redefine criticism and disagreement as harassment and threats, to demonize free speech as a pretense to censorship.

The report also attacks video games by citing ridiculous sources (all at least a decade old) which say "Nintendo of America, Inc.: Manufactures Pokémon, Game-Boys, and equipment for satanic video games" and references Jack Thompson himself.

So it should come as no surprise that two of the invited the speakers (Quinn and Sarkeesian) were "SJWs" best known as prominent opponents of the Gamergate movement. Yep, Gamergate, the customer revolt demanding more ethical game journalism, whose criticism of and disagreement with the demonstrably unethical gaming press was mischaracterized as (you guessed it) "harrassment" and "threats" and widely censored in an attempt to protect the corrupt journalists, all because those journalists expressed the right politics.

Gamergate (and the FTC, responding to Gamergate pressure) succeeded in forcing many corrupt websites to update their ethics policies and start disclosing personal (and financial) relationships to the subjects of their articles, which is why you always see so many disingenuous and corrupt individuals shitting a brick over it. Two outlets that anti-Gamergate was notoriously unsuccessful at shutting down were tweets and youtube videos, which is why you saw Quinn issuing a false DMCA (against youtuber MundaneMatt) a year ago, and Sarkeesian whi

The perpetrator seems to be a troll called "Vince". His previous activities include hacking gamergate.me (which hosted the GG wiki, various pro-GG articles, etc.) and during the panel on GG hosted by SPJ Florida he dumped dox on some of the pro-GG panelists and the organizer. You could try to familiarize yourself with the whole drama, but the relevant context is just that it's a year-long controversy that the troll is seemingly trying to milk for attention. In the tweet about the Patreon hack Vince also claimed responsibility "in the name of #gamergate" (and he later retweeted a post mocking that "GamerGate being blamed for Patreon hack" but "it's actually Vince"), which sufficed to fool a writer for the New York Observer.

According to Detectify Labs, Patreon had left Werkzeug Debugger exposed to the public on one of their debug versions, leaving a very blatant vulnerability. Gamergate.me was presumably put together by amateurs and it hadn't been updated in months except for the people editing the wiki when it was hacked. So the troll has likely just been going after easy targets that they think will generate attention.

The perpetrator seems to be a troll called "Vince". His previous activities include hacking gamergate.me (which hosted the GG wiki, various pro-GG articles, etc.) and during the panel on GG hosted by SPJ Florida he dumped dox on some of the pro-GG panelists and the organizer. You could try to familiarize yourself with the whole drama, but the relevant context is just that it's a year-long controversy that the troll is seemingly trying to milk for attention. In the tweet about the Patreon hack Vince also claimed responsibility "in the name of #gamergate" (and he later retweeted a post mocking that "GamerGate being blamed for Patreon hack" but "it's actually Vince"), which sufficed to fool a writer for the New York Observer.

According to Detectify Labs, Patreon had left Werkzeug Debugger exposed to the public on one of their debug versions, leaving a very blatant vulnerability. Gamergate.me was presumably put together by amateurs and it hadn't been updated in months except for the people editing the wiki when it was hacked. So the troll has likely just been going after easy targets that they think will generate attention.

The new versions of Destiny actually removed some game content for those that did not upgrade: https://www.reddit.com/r/Desti...

I saved a link: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmas...

1. Javascript benchmarks. They should be outlawed, period. They test the software (browser) more than the CPU. Also they are probably single threaded or close to be.

2. On-screen 3D game benchmarks. Because they favor phones with low-res display such as iPhones.

None of the benchmarks in TFA even consider RAM size and flash memory speed, which both have real-world benefits.

I'm sure that ALL of these benchmarks are done by Apple shills.

Right.

Oh, and whiner, I found this and this about the memory subsystem in the iPhone 6s. Glad you asked!

don't know enough about Scandinavian languages to know if they're speaking an old Scandinavian dialectic.

I haven't seen the show, but the most historically sensible thing for Vikings to be speaking would be Old Norse. According to some folks on Reddit, that is in fact what they are speaking.

Its not very closely related to English, outside of the fact that they are both Germanic, and their common ancestor language was only 700 years or so in the past at that point.

To whoever modded this funny, I wasn't joking...

Ghostery?? It gets worse: http://www.reddit.com/r/firefo...

Hint: "Allow Ghostery to show messages in my browser related to product features, updates, and promotions."

And no, the red pill narrative ...

The red pill narrative is actually on their website in black and white for anyone to read.,

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRe...

The narrative is a massive bunch of bullshit about women and a couple of good bits of advice for men (eat right, do exercise, have good boundaries and don't be a pushover).

Anyway for all the bullshit and whining on TRP etc, they're not very good at getting of they're arses and doing stuff compared, say, to feminists. Where are the shelters set up by TRPers for male victims of domestic violence, for example?

Curiously enough, gaming keyboards can have problems on Linux: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux... - I experienced it myself. I guess it's because of extra functionality (programmability, color lights etc)?

the woz comparison is better than you know:

"TIL Steve Wozniak put a fake bomb in a locker during high school and spent the night in a juvenile detention center where he taught prisoners how to disconnect the ceiling fan wires and connect them to bars so it would shock people on touch"

https://www.reddit.com/r/today...

including this tidbit:

The principal had been summoned when the device was found, bravely ran onto the football field clutching it to his chest, and pulled the wires off.

woz made an actual fake bomb intended to frighten. in today's day and age he would be locked up for life

ps: the comparison to jobs, even though less valid than woz, still has the slightly valuable point that jobs was an arab:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Jobs's biological father, Abdulfattah "John" Jandali (b. 1931), was born into a Muslim household and grew up in Homs, Syria.[9]

the added poignancy right now being the way syrian refugees are being treated by racists and bigots in europe right now

oh forgot to add a link. Check out r/htwo on reddit.

Here's the best FAQ I've found on the subject.
https://www.reddit.com/r/basic...

I can't think of any questions that aren't addressed.

And here's the fixed link: https://www.reddit.com/r/basic...

Here's the best FAQ I've found on the subject.
https://www.reddit.com/r/basic...

I can't think of any questions that aren't addressed.

And here's the fixed link: https://www.reddit.com/r/basic...

Here's the best FAQ I've found on the subject.
https://www.reddit.com/r/basic...

I can't think of any questions that aren't addressed.

You're right, it is about power. Sexbots would empower men and give them choice on a level never before seen in history. That scares the hell out of people, mainly women, many of whom would for the first time in their lives have to offer more to a man than their looks/sex. There's a good discussion of this topic right here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRe...

Exactly. There's a good discussion of this topic over here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRe...

I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Fire alarms? Rather than just making vague accusations and then posting unrelated lists of names how about you form a coherent argument.

Oh you don't know about the SJW's pulling fire alarms, trying to drown people out so they can't speak, and so on? And those names? Very much related, so are their followers. That was a coherent argument after all. I'm sure you'd also support someone like sarah nyberg, you know the one that's being all buddy-buddy with their SJW friends, after it came out that they're a pedophile and actively perused their 8 year old cousin.

So you have actually gone out and fought for social justice! A real warrior! Not just a fake internet one.

Of course that's not social justice, or even justice.

Plex is a home media server, forked from XBMC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plex_(software)

Wikipedia says the server is "freemium" so I guess it's free but you can buy upgrades. There are apps for iOS and Android; the apps aren't free either. And there is some kind of cloud account you can get, and use for syncing your content across the Internet.

I've never heard of this before, but it seems worth checking out if you don't already have a media center solution.

Plex web site:
https://plex.tv/

Breakdown of what you can get for free vs. what costs:
https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/202526943-Plex-Free-vs-Paid

Reddit discussion of cost of Plex:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Chromecast/comments/2f9f0k/what_is_the_true_cost_of_plex/

https://www.reddit.com/r/badbi...

I bet all hardware is pwned - check it out, some serious shit!

The section of the FTC's website that deals with disclosures was updated late last month:

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advic...

Some of this new guidance directly reflects the language and particulars of the concerns GamerGate asked the FTC to address.

"Is “affiliate link” by itself an adequate disclosure? What about a “buy now” button?"

Consumers might not understand that “affiliate link” means that the person placing the link is getting paid for purchases through the link. Similarly, a “buy now” button would not be adequate

Does this guidance about affiliate links apply to links in my product reviews on someone else’s website, to my user comments, and to my tweets?

Yes, the same guidance applies anytime you endorse a product and get paid through affiliate links.

The revised webpage contains a great deal more language that needs to be analyzed but these two examples in particular reflect specific complaints GamerGate had about how Gawker Media handle their affiliate link disclosures. I know of no other group of people who were vocally complaining about this specific practice to the FTC. In addition, the FTC emails from my previous posts confirm that, yes, the FTC tailored part of their new guidance because of frequent complaints sent by GamerGate.

And then there are the many, many sites that have updated their ethics policies. It's shameful that you will lie about an entire group of people because you and the press want to pretend that GG isn't the driving force behind all this ethics reform.

If GG had only focused on issues like this, i for one would be cheering them on. But GG didn't come into existence when, for example, Jeff Gerstmann was fired under pressure from a game developer whose game he reviewed poorly, way back in 2007.

OK, try this. Go discuss Gertsmann's firing (or any other AAA corruption) on a bunch of game/tech news websites' forums or article comments and see if the discussion is censored on almost EVERY one of them.

Now try to discuss Nathan Grayson or Patricia Hernandez and see how much censorship and pure venom you encounter, by contrast.

Also notice that Gertsmann's firing was somehow not subject to a week-long, industry-wide news blackout in hopes it would go away. And that the people reporting on it weren't called harassers or mysogynists or terrorists in an attempt to intimidate them and distract from the criticism.

It is the behavior of the press that is the difference. The long-running popularity of Gamergate is the response to the gaming press's cover up of journalistic corruption and long-running smear campaign against gamers. None of the media's lies can ever change that fact.

P.S. AAA review "agreements" (for youtubers, etc.) similar to these were publicized by Totalbiscuit (a major pro-Gamergate guy) a year ago, long before the journalists caught on. GG has nothing against exposing AAA nor indie corruption.

They didn't erupt int

The section of the FTC's website that deals with disclosures was updated late last month:

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advic...

Some of this new guidance directly reflects the language and particulars of the concerns GamerGate asked the FTC to address.

"Is “affiliate link” by itself an adequate disclosure? What about a “buy now” button?"

Consumers might not understand that “affiliate link” means that the person placing the link is getting paid for purchases through the link. Similarly, a “buy now” button would not be adequate

Does this guidance about affiliate links apply to links in my product reviews on someone else’s website, to my user comments, and to my tweets?

Yes, the same guidance applies anytime you endorse a product and get paid through affiliate links.

The revised webpage contains a great deal more language that needs to be analyzed but these two examples in particular reflect specific complaints GamerGate had about how Gawker Media handle their affiliate link disclosures. I know of no other group of people who were vocally complaining about this specific practice to the FTC. In addition, the FTC emails from my previous posts confirm that, yes, the FTC tailored part of their new guidance because of frequent complaints sent by GamerGate.

And then there are the many, many sites that have updated their ethics policies. It's shameful that you will lie about an entire group of people because you and the press want to pretend that GG isn't the driving force behind all this ethics reform.

If GG had only focused on issues like this, i for one would be cheering them on. But GG didn't come into existence when, for example, Jeff Gerstmann was fired under pressure from a game developer whose game he reviewed poorly, way back in 2007.

OK, try this. Go discuss Gertsmann's firing (or any other AAA corruption) on a bunch of game/tech news websites' forums or article comments and see if the discussion is censored on almost EVERY one of them.

Now try to discuss Nathan Grayson or Patricia Hernandez and see how much censorship and pure venom you encounter, by contrast.

Also notice that Gertsmann's firing was somehow not subject to a week-long, industry-wide news blackout in hopes it would go away. And that the people reporting on it weren't called harassers or mysogynists or terrorists in an attempt to intimidate them and distract from the criticism.

It is the behavior of the press that is the difference. The long-running popularity of Gamergate is the response to the gaming press's cover up of journalistic corruption and long-running smear campaign against gamers. None of the media's lies can ever change that fact.

P.S. AAA review "agreements" (for youtubers, etc.) similar to these were publicized by Totalbiscuit (a major pro-Gamergate guy) a year ago, long before the journalists caught on. GG has nothing against exposing AAA nor indie corruption.

They didn't erupt int

I've also been eyeing this project, but haven't tried it on any of my machines yet. In the reddit /r/sysadmin thread people seem quite critical of this script. There is credible opinion that these updates will be required for windows to continue updating in the future, so it's dangerous to remove them; and that privacy cannot be achieved anymore while running Microsoft operating systems.

1MBps is absolutely nothing on LTE. One of the reasons T-Mobile has such great service at football games is became most football fans are on AT&T and Verizon. Even moreso when not in a stadium. Head over to howardforums and reddit to see lots of imgur screencaptures of users' latest speeds. Usual is 35mbps in metropolises, extremes of >100mbps in Portland.

environmental no
maintain connectivity no
technical issues no

I will say that I'm not sure exactly how anyone would be using 2TB/month---what exactly are they downloading? If it's a lot, they can't be downloading that much every single month, because they'd run out of storage space, and that's a hell of a lot of streaming video, even at 4K...

so that would be your best avenue of attack IMO.

FYI, see https://www.reddit.com/r/Windo... .
Someone managed to decrypt this traffic using Fiddler.

Thats "one" persons opinion

Everything is one person's opinion until it's tested in a court of law. The article I linked states that such a case has been decided for board games, but not for video games.

Look, the only company that really doesn't care for streaming is Nintendo, goes to show just how stuck in the past they are.

From the article I linked: "Capcom can make you get a license for the 'public performance' of the game. In fact, that is exactly what Capcom does with for-profit tournaments" with games in the Street Fighter series. Blizzard likewise has tried to use copyright to give one Korean TV network exclusive rights to StarCraft II . Sega at one time did a massive takedown of its Shining RPG series on YouTube.

Streaming is built right in to the PS4 and Xbox One.

From the manual: "For some games, there might be scenes in which video cannot be recorded. The maximum 15 minutes of gameplay that are saved as a video clip do not include scenes in which video cannot be recorded. An icon is displayed in the upper left corner of the screen at the start and end of these scenes." This Ars Technica article agrees. Is a licensee allowed to designate the entire game as such a scene? Apparently so, according to this Polygon article and this reddit post.

Works every time, eh? Sure, if you fix a million of glitches first and after that babysit the constantly breaking system.

That just shows Wesley Crusher has never played sjw or stormfront where they place a hate filled screed and YOU get to try to guess whether the vile bile being spewed is by an SJW or a member of Stormfront. If you score better than 50%? You are great at the game as the average SJW post is nearly impossible to tell apart from a neo-nazi (or in the case of Jews they may be one and the same, as SJWs hate Jews for some reason) because they are both spewing hate filled racist shit, the ONLY difference is who the racism is for and who its against.

If you don't believe SJWs are real and nasty creatures? Go spend a little time talking to them, gamer-ghazi is a good place to start, and see how long you can go before somebody starts calling you an "ist!" and screaming for your death....."SJWs, what happens when millennials treat WPP like slavery and start throwing snack packs like 4 year olds"

Sometimes you can deal with it even better. Fortunately in the US there was a grassroots customer revolt against the corruption so strong that the FTC stepped in in direct response to make it clear that, yes, disclosure of financial relationships is absolutely required.

And just this weekend the Society of Professional Journalists also publically stated that reviewers with relevant personal relationships must disclose them (or preferably just recuse themselves from those jobs).

Funny how none of that has been considered newsworthy . . .

Bug in Wget passes user's real IP even with proxy use (such as Tor/TAILS)

"Just FYI, it appears there is a bug in wget while using a proxy that allows wget to be forced to use the FTP port and thereby unmask the user's IP (normal usage) or at least leak the user's network adapter IP (in TAILS)."

- Comment @ Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TOR/c...
https://archive.is/3YYo0

- Original discovery of bug @ lists.gnu.org:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/...
https://archive.is/Ah3Pg

- Reported to TAILS project development list (tails-dev):
https://mailman.boum.org/piper...
https://archive.is/nPi5h

- First response @ tails-dev
https://mailman.boum.org/piper...
https://archive.is/derHC

- Wget: What is it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Dear Amazon interns, some advice from an old man who has been at Amazon way too long. Quote: "Amazon's work-life balance is awful."

Working for Amazon Sounds Utterly Soul Crushing.

Life in an Amazon Warehouse: Fear and Efficiency at 35 Orders Per Second

Inside Amazon's Kafkaesque performance-improvement plan

Inside Amazon's Bizarre Corporate Culture

Amazon Is a Time Thief, by an Amazon Employee.

Is Amazon an unpleasant place to work? Quote: "Based on my experience, I agree with what everyone has said about the company being a horrible place to work."

Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace

Glassdoor Reviews of Amazon

"After reading this I'm not going to even entertain the thought of working there."

A few links to stories that say that's a good decision:

Dear Amazon interns, some advice from an old man who has been at Amazon way too long. Quote: "Amazon's work-life balance is awful."

Inside Amazon's Kafkaesque performance-improvement plan

Inside Amazon's Bizarre Corporate Culture

Glassdoor Reviews of Amazon

Amazon Is a Time Thief, by an Amazon Employee.

Working for Amazon Sounds Utterly Soul Crushing.

Life in an Amazon Warehouse: Fear and Efficiency at 35 Orders Per Second

Too bad Doogee is one the worst china phones manufactures. Read https://www.reddit.com/r/china... for more info.

This has been known for some time.

The comments in this thread are good.

https://www.academia.edu/14935... http://roknasala1.blogspot.com... https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/... http://kenanaonline.com/users/... http://shahine8787.tumblr.com/... https://storify.com/shahine878... https://delicious.com/shahine8... Reply

Here are a few others, and some scheduled tasks that I was surprised to find on Windows 7 machines.

/r/firewater

No it isn't. I'm in St. Petersburg right now and can access it just fine.

Going to the following link will result in an error 403, but you can browse anywhere else just fine, HTTPS and all. This should not be marked insightful.

It's not cannabis. FSKN (Federal Drug Control Service of the Russian Federation) didn't like this post which is about shrooms https://www.reddit.com/r/rudru... At the moment it's blocked in Russia on Reddit side as far as I can see. I suspect Reddit may get unblocked very soon because of that.

Has posted a Today I Fucked Up about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/...

Here are your builds. There are plenty of other sites out there that provide them as well.

You mean consoles on the other hand only allow you do certain things. You may also not be allowed to upgrade, mod, change the hardware, software, use unauthorized peripherals as well. And moving from one generation to the next on consoles, the chances of your guaranteed compatibility goes right out the window. Nothing stops you from using a PC in the living room, and using anything you desire as a control device. And less multiplayer cheating? That's very debatable.

spez -944 points 18 hours ago

For the the time being we believe that brigading is best fought with technology, which we are actively working on.

Synsc 894 points 18 hours ago

What does that mean exactly?

spez -772 points 17 hours ago

It means that we can see downvoting brigades in that data, and we are working on preventing them from working. We used to do this in the past, and it worked quite well.

Ultimate_Cabooser 1479 points 17 hours ago

That still doesn't mean anything. They're blatantly violating the "exist solely to annoy other redditors" and they make Reddit a lot worse for everyone who isn't them.

The "we don't need to remove them because we're developing technology that won't let them break the rules" could be said about a shit ton of subreddits that were removed.

I'm not in the "fatpeoplehate shouldn't have been removed"-circlejerk, because I agree it was shitty and was rightly removed, but the "it doesn't need to be removed because we're working on technology that doesn't let them break the rules" argument could have been used for that. If you remove subreddits like that, you have to remove SRS.

spez -601 points 16 hours ago

We take banning very seriously. I believe we can combat negative actions like theirs by improving our own technology without banning them, so that is what we'll try first.

As mentioned in another comment the behaviour of that subreddit goes way beyond simply brigading but in the realm of raiding, doxxing and harassing individual users.

The difference in remedies here is what makes this interesting: if Reddit is not banning for ideas but for behaviour what is the difference between SRS and FPH that justifies the difference in treatment?

I wrote about this on reddit only recently ... Link to the discussion there

Copied in full to here:

So back when Sun maintained OpenOffice.org and sold StarOffice they had a Contributor License Agreement that required handing over ownership of patches to them so they could sell the closed source supported suite and license out to IBM for Symphony.

To get around this bureaucracy and to not sign over ownership for patches most distributions used go-oo.org (aka ooo-build) that was the source code of OpenOffice.org with a bunch of patches on top to help compatibility with MS Office and some other things that Sun could or did not want in the upstream oo.org code.

When Oracle bought Sun they left oo.org languishing with no maintenance for months. This was naturally unacceptable to the various linux distros and they didn't want to be beholden to Oracle's whims (for good reason given the state of the various projects that used to be with Sun). Due to this they got together and formed The Document Foundation and took the go-oo.org code (which was basically what this group used and collaborated on anyway) and forked it to LibreOffice.

Fast forward some more time and Oracle decide they don't want anything to do with OpenOffice.org after all and essentially (with IBM's help ... presumably so there would be a sort of maintained base for Symphony) dumped it on the Apache Software Foundation. As per their requirements it went through an incubation process and all the code was relicensed to the Apache Public License. This was months after LibreOffice had been created and worked on and most consider it a pretty petty move rather than giving the brand to TDF to work with.

From that point on it's pretty much been IBM driving Apache OpenOffice (as they renamed oo.org to) although they appear to have stopped caring about it mid to end last year. The amount of development work on AOO is minimal compared to LO and the number of active committers is in the teens (at best) for AOO compared to the hundreds for LO.

Due to the way the licensing works out LO can merge in any fixes (there were some in the early days, not many now as can be seen in the CVE issue I mentioned) but AOO cannot merge in work from LO.

The last release of AOO was August 2014 and if you go look at the changelogs from 3.4 (the first AOO release as opposed to oo.org IIRC... mostly rebranding) up to the 4.1.1 then you'll see there's been minimal work - mostly translations. Anything developed/fixed in AOO is either merged into LO or improved/obsoleted by other work. Compare these to the release notes for each LO release from the forking point of 3.3 and it really is quite significant - the heavy work on clean up and better build systems for LO lower the barrier to entry for LO contribution by the common person too.

The proposed AOO release of 4.1.2 is going forwards at the moment - driven mostly by only a few people Apache OpenOffice Dev mail archives.

To give an idea how bad this has got the no-interaction code execution as privileges of user bug by a special HWP file was announced publicly last April. It was fixed in LibreOffice the same month and users would have had the update notification and been protected. Anyone using Apache OpenOffice is still vulnerable and although there was a disclosure on the security part of the AOO site at the time, the workaround was to 'delete .dll/.so' ... not a release with a fix and unless anyone actively went to check up on this they would not have known the issue.

To add to this (if it's not enough already) AOO can still only read and not write docx/xlsx/pptx (OOXML) files produced by MS Office whereas LibreOffice can

Last week an SRS user went nearly four years into my history and posted this in /r/ShitRedditSays:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3fkp3m/010212_petition_to_ban_rrapingwomen_sorry_cant/

Taken with zero context, and without considering this happened in the midst of Reddit banning a few subs and /u/violentacrez getting doxxed, SRS users decided that I was tolerant of rape, or beating women, that I was lazy, a shit-poster, pandering to my "audience", suggested SRS users go to Amazon to see what a piece of shit I was, that I thought "rape" was "freedom of speech", and that I was objectively wrong and thought "freedom of speech" was moderating a website.

They hadn't bothered to read the rest of my comments, where I said "If this were MY company and these subreddits were on MY board, I'd delete them in a heartbeat, because I find them personally offensive."

I was banned from SRS years ago (not for commenting, just because one of the mods thought I should be -- that's their prerogative) so I messaged the SRS admins and asked for a chance to respond, considering this post was #1 in SRS.

http://imgur.com/Z8EJh1c

As you can see, the only response was "ROFL".

/r/Fatpeoplehate was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

/r/Coontown was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

/r/Shitredditsays was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

This is their stated purpose:

"Have you recently read an upvoted Reddit comment that was bigoted, creepy, misogynistic, transphobic, racist, homophobic, or just reeking of unexamined, toxic privilege? Of course you have! Post it here."

They exist to mock and harass Reddit users.

we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

Your words.

Please explain to me how holding other people up to ridicule without even allowing them to respond is good for reddit, encourages participation, and makes Reddit a safe place to express our opinions and ALSO differs from the subs you've banned.

EDIT: And this comment was already linked in SRS:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3fx49i/meta_spezs_new_content_policy_unveiled_ctown_and/ctsvdrb?context=3

mfw /u/WarLizard[1] pulls the "WHAT ABOUT SRS" card after being linked here. He regularly contributes to /r/KotakuInAction [2], not sure why he feels like he'd be welcome here at all. He's also complaining about the existence of SRS, so yeah right there he'd be banned. Oh no, a sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic post was made and got linked here. WOULD ANYONE THINK OF THE RACIST'S FEELINGS?

This is a perfect example.

I have posted in KiA, and it has been fascinating to talk with the people there. Much like it has been fascinating to talk to the people in GamerGhazi.

But without context, someone might assume that because I've posted or commented there that I'm racist, mi

Last week an SRS user went nearly four years into my history and posted this in /r/ShitRedditSays:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3fkp3m/010212_petition_to_ban_rrapingwomen_sorry_cant/

Taken with zero context, and without considering this happened in the midst of Reddit banning a few subs and /u/violentacrez getting doxxed, SRS users decided that I was tolerant of rape, or beating women, that I was lazy, a shit-poster, pandering to my "audience", suggested SRS users go to Amazon to see what a piece of shit I was, that I thought "rape" was "freedom of speech", and that I was objectively wrong and thought "freedom of speech" was moderating a website.

They hadn't bothered to read the rest of my comments, where I said "If this were MY company and these subreddits were on MY board, I'd delete them in a heartbeat, because I find them personally offensive."

I was banned from SRS years ago (not for commenting, just because one of the mods thought I should be -- that's their prerogative) so I messaged the SRS admins and asked for a chance to respond, considering this post was #1 in SRS.

http://imgur.com/Z8EJh1c

As you can see, the only response was "ROFL".

/r/Fatpeoplehate was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

/r/Coontown was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

/r/Shitredditsays was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

This is their stated purpose:

"Have you recently read an upvoted Reddit comment that was bigoted, creepy, misogynistic, transphobic, racist, homophobic, or just reeking of unexamined, toxic privilege? Of course you have! Post it here."

They exist to mock and harass Reddit users.

we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

Your words.

Please explain to me how holding other people up to ridicule without even allowing them to respond is good for reddit, encourages participation, and makes Reddit a safe place to express our opinions and ALSO differs from the subs you've banned.

EDIT: And this comment was already linked in SRS:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3fx49i/meta_spezs_new_content_policy_unveiled_ctown_and/ctsvdrb?context=3

mfw /u/WarLizard[1] pulls the "WHAT ABOUT SRS" card after being linked here. He regularly contributes to /r/KotakuInAction [2], not sure why he feels like he'd be welcome here at all. He's also complaining about the existence of SRS, so yeah right there he'd be banned. Oh no, a sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic post was made and got linked here. WOULD ANYONE THINK OF THE RACIST'S FEELINGS?

This is a perfect example.

I have posted in KiA, and it has been fascinating to talk with the people there. Much like it has been fascinating to talk to the people in GamerGhazi.

But without context, someone might assume that because I've posted or commented there that I'm racist, mi

Last week an SRS user went nearly four years into my history and posted this in /r/ShitRedditSays:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3fkp3m/010212_petition_to_ban_rrapingwomen_sorry_cant/

Taken with zero context, and without considering this happened in the midst of Reddit banning a few subs and /u/violentacrez getting doxxed, SRS users decided that I was tolerant of rape, or beating women, that I was lazy, a shit-poster, pandering to my "audience", suggested SRS users go to Amazon to see what a piece of shit I was, that I thought "rape" was "freedom of speech", and that I was objectively wrong and thought "freedom of speech" was moderating a website.

They hadn't bothered to read the rest of my comments, where I said "If this were MY company and these subreddits were on MY board, I'd delete them in a heartbeat, because I find them personally offensive."

I was banned from SRS years ago (not for commenting, just because one of the mods thought I should be -- that's their prerogative) so I messaged the SRS admins and asked for a chance to respond, considering this post was #1 in SRS.

http://imgur.com/Z8EJh1c

As you can see, the only response was "ROFL".

/r/Fatpeoplehate was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

/r/Coontown was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

/r/Shitredditsays was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

This is their stated purpose:

"Have you recently read an upvoted Reddit comment that was bigoted, creepy, misogynistic, transphobic, racist, homophobic, or just reeking of unexamined, toxic privilege? Of course you have! Post it here."

They exist to mock and harass Reddit users.

we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

Your words.

Please explain to me how holding other people up to ridicule without even allowing them to respond is good for reddit, encourages participation, and makes Reddit a safe place to express our opinions and ALSO differs from the subs you've banned.

EDIT: And this comment was already linked in SRS:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3fx49i/meta_spezs_new_content_policy_unveiled_ctown_and/ctsvdrb?context=3

mfw /u/WarLizard[1] pulls the "WHAT ABOUT SRS" card after being linked here. He regularly contributes to /r/KotakuInAction [2], not sure why he feels like he'd be welcome here at all. He's also complaining about the existence of SRS, so yeah right there he'd be banned. Oh no, a sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic post was made and got linked here. WOULD ANYONE THINK OF THE RACIST'S FEELINGS?

This is a perfect example.

I have posted in KiA, and it has been fascinating to talk with the people there. Much like it has been fascinating to talk to the people in GamerGhazi.

But without context, someone might assume that because I've posted or commented there that I'm racist, mi