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He lied when he told Good Morning America viewers that "if the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again."

He said this before the war, and after combat operations ended and the WMD caches kept not pouring in, he started spinning to give himself breathing room. At first he said "in the next few weeks," then continually extended the deadline. Finally, in another interview in February 2004, he gave a half-hearted apology, but still shows no signs of distrust of the Bush administration. [source]

O'Reilly lied when he said he was a political independent. This is another one documented in Franken's book. His own voter registration shows himself registered as a Republican, and he's donated thousands to Republican causes, none to Democratic ones.

O'Reilly lies when he calls his show "The No-Spin Zone." This lie is so manifest, it's hardly worth taking time to document it.

Correction. It was George H. W. Bush(aka Senior) who said this. It was in 1987, while he was vice-president.

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For an interesting take on Dubya's "dumb" factor, this article on George W Bush's political background is pretty interesting:

Bush did the "smart" thing, and it didn't work for him politically. It's a sad statement on the American people, but they actually (on average, at least) seem to like leaders who aren't that bright.

Also, there's no question that Bush's strong conservative stance on moral issues (do you really *have* to broach the issue of Gay Marriage during the "State of the Union" address? I think *not*) has helped him get elected. I have the utmost of respect for those who hold Christian beliefs, even conservative beliefs, so long as they don't try to push those beliefs into the political spectrum, which is what the Christian Right has been doing through the Bush administration. It even affects their environmental policy.

Then again, some people believe in the Tooth Fairy, so what are you going to do?

Lots of people remember the Chicago Daily News headline, but this story harkens back to the 1948 race.

Back in 1948, Thomas Dewey (he-of-the-new-york-state-thruway-fame) was polling ahead of President Truman. No one expected that Truman would win. However, after the votes were counted, Truman won.

Afterward it was discovered that extra Truman support came from urban and rural poor, the people who didn't have phones, and therefore they weren't polled.

There was even a third-party candidate back then: Strom Thurmond, the "Dixiecrat" who bailed on the Democratic party because Truman had the gall to support civil rights reforms (like integrating the military). "Ol' Lizard King", as I like to call Thurmond, apparently felt it was okay to secretly father children with "Negroes" (although he preferred a different N-word), but southern states shouldn't have to give up segregation.

Of course, back in 1948 you had two decent, qualified people running for president, today we're lucky if we get one.

No it's called Vagina Dentata and Freud's been out of fashion for quite some time.

Eh, just invite them to a screening of Brazil. Risking a spoiler, a major topic is the use of constant fear to spy on anyone, and nobody cares when a mistake's made.

Child pronography and statutory rape law need serious reform. They are simply out of touch with reality. It's sick and should be illegal for a 40 year old man to molest a preteen. However, a good portion of the population looses their virginity long before the age of 18 in a safe and consentual manner. Sometimes they do it with someone who is not a minor, but that's illegal. Sometimes they take pictues....but adults for some reason aren't allowed to see these pictures. I wonder....what if I had, at age 15, taken pictures of me and a girl of the same age performing various lascivious acts. Could I be thrown in jail if at age 19 I obtain her permission and decide to post those pictures on the 'net? People mature at different rates; setting the arbritrary age of 18 as a legal threshold for sexual consent, voting, military service, or anything else is impersonal and basically creates discrimination by age.
some reading on the subject

Child pronography and statutory rape law need serious reform. They are simply out of touch with reality. It's sick and should be illegal for a 40 year old man to molest a preteen. However, a good portion of the population looses their virginity long before the age of 18 in a safe and consentual manner. Sometimes they do it with someone who is not a minor, but that's illegal. Sometimes they take pictues....but adults for some reason aren't allowed to see these pictures. I wonder....what if I had, at age 15, taken pictures of me and a girl of the same age performing various lascivious acts. Could I be thrown in jail if at age 19 I obtain her permission and decide to post those pictures on the 'net? People mature at different rates; setting the arbritrary age of 18 as a legal threshold for sexual consent, voting, military service, or anything else is impersonal and basically creates discrimination by age.
some reading on the subject

Child pronography and statutory rape law need serious reform. They are simply out of touch with reality. It's sick and should be illegal for a 40 year old man to molest a preteen. However, a good portion of the population looses their virginity long before the age of 18 in a safe and consentual manner. Sometimes they do it with someone who is not a minor, but that's illegal. Sometimes they take pictues....but adults for some reason aren't allowed to see these pictures. I wonder....what if I had, at age 15, taken pictures of me and a girl of the same age performing various lascivious acts. Could I be thrown in jail if at age 19 I obtain her permission and decide to post those pictures on the 'net? People mature at different rates; setting the arbritrary age of 18 as a legal threshold for sexual consent, voting, military service, or anything else is impersonal and basically creates discrimination by age.
some reading on the subject

"Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?" Limbaugh said on TV, before holding up a picture Chelsea.--Rush Limbaugh

In fact, they actually advocate murdering her:
Here's a real nice piece of work from John Derbyshire, Natonal Review:

Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past -- I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble -- recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an "enemy of the people". The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, "clan liability". In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished "to the ninth degree": that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed, and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed. (This sounds complicated, but in practice what usually happened was that a battalion of soldiers was sent to the offender's home town, where they killed everyone they could find, on the principle neca eos omnes, deus suos agnoscet -- "let God sort 'em out".)

Our shop will not use J*va. Why? We don't want to enrich the developers of the language, who still many royalties from books and publications. If you chose to support the sexual molestation of young girls, that's your problem. I feel sorry for you.

Well, Bob Ross always used a little bit of burnt sienna - and a lot of other little bits of strange colors to paint his happy little somethings. What that says about his gender, I don't know. PS: the link is harmless. No, really.

Oh, geez!

The weight lifter is pretty bad, but I think the cab driver is worse.

Will anyone actually have the nerve to mod this post "informative"?

Oh, geez!

The weight lifter is pretty bad, but I think the cab driver is worse.

Will anyone actually have the nerve to mod this post "informative"?

I'm pretty sure the weight lifter reference was for rotten.com, pretty disgusting stuff, be warned.

"disturbing oddities"? I got nine letters and a dot for ya: rotten.com. It's the link I send to people who piss me off. At first you don't quite realize just how bad it is, and by the time you catch on, you can't seem to look away.

Wow. Nice to see you have your head buried in the sand.

The last few decades of biological and psychological research has shown that homosexuality is, in fact, natural and innate. Some people are born with that orientation. And not just in humans.

Rotten.com has an article on animal homosexuality here that you might find enlightening.

Now it turns out the people raided were in fact "the bad guys" and the warrant (remember, the FBI HAD a warrant) was legit AND...er...warranted.

As a general rule of thumb, the FBI and similar organizations don't go around raiding the `good guys'. It does happen sometimes ( one good example), but it's not the general rule. But the thing that tends to be forgotten is that even the `bad guys' have rights, and the FBI (and similar organizations) tends to violate these rights, and that's what people tend to get really upset about. And then there's things that aren't really `rights', but should happen anyways. For example, if they take all your hardware, and don't charge you with a crime, you should get your hardware back QUICKLY and UNDAMAGED. But I digress ...

As for Waco and Ruby Ridge, the people involved were definately `bad guys', but the government wasn't exactly being `good guys' either.

As for the FBI going after these DDoS monkeys, good for them. It's about time.

Now it turns out the people raided were in fact "the bad guys" and the warrant (remember, the FBI HAD a warrant) was legit AND...er...warranted.

As a general rule of thumb, the FBI and similar organizations don't go around raiding the `good guys'. It does happen sometimes ( one good example), but it's not the general rule. But the thing that tends to be forgotten is that even the `bad guys' have rights, and the FBI (and similar organizations) tends to violate these rights, and that's what people tend to get really upset about. And then there's things that aren't really `rights', but should happen anyways. For example, if they take all your hardware, and don't charge you with a crime, you should get your hardware back QUICKLY and UNDAMAGED. But I digress ...

As for Waco and Ruby Ridge, the people involved were definately `bad guys', but the government wasn't exactly being `good guys' either.

As for the FBI going after these DDoS monkeys, good for them. It's about time.

I certainly wanted you to know that I haven't forgotten about the Ashcroft-loads of money you've tossed my way - and went ahead and started seizing property (4th Amendment? ROLFLOLFL).

This should allow me to get Ridge to raise the terror alert - maybe even postpone the elections this year. (Fingers Crossed!! :)

Thanks again for sending all those unsold copies of my album to the libraries - it was the only way they'd take it. (We won't let that settlement nonsense happen again:)

Your friend in Money, Power and Crazy Bitches,
John Ashcroft

I'm so relieved that even though I live in an era with constant threats such as domestic terrorism, senatorial flight risks, the patriot act, the induce act, and non-Christian "citizens" running amok, that Pope Ashcroft can see through the unholy mess and guide our nation in the direction it needs. "Need not you worry", he said to his congregation of corporate leaders and wealthy elite, "For I, a federal chair, shall perform all of your duties in this civil matter." Praise Jesus that in these treacherous times a man of a singular holy vision shall unite American corporations with its 228 year old government to make the most self-righteous, most capitalistic, most federally pervasive and invasive political embodiment in all of recorded human history.

For more interesting reading on Ashcroft and his fight for the status-quo and his battles against individuality, please visit the following links:
BBC Profile
Rotten.com
Eldred v. Ashcroft
Extreme Ashcroft
Ashcroft's Detention Camps
Some guys blog

http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/masturbation/inv entions/sex-dolls/

Defensive shields (no, Mark Shields doesn't count)

maybe could have.

btw i know that link looks awful and all but theres actually shield concepts introduced by Tesla there. honest.

A little reading.

• I don't like to associate with the folks who invented it
• It's impossible to write a good-looking app with it
• It's SLOW
• It's not a STANDARD, like C# and .NET are
• There are no good Open Source Implementations available

Earnings is the primary factor behind the growth of a stock price. There are various ways to keep earnings growth going, among one of which is new and exciting products. However, they are in the vast minority when it comes to other methods, such as cutting costs (ie, outsourcing, etc), cutting R/D expenditures, etc. Just look at Al Dunlop [google.com]. He was put in place by a mutual fund. Nowadays, it is very common for very powerful funds (pensions like CALpers, Mutual Funds, Insurance Funds) -- which move more than 3/4's of the money on Wall St. -- essentially take over a company and demand that it produce profits at all costs. At any cost. Sunbeam is an example. Mr. Dunlop is now forbidden from running any publically traded company.

Furthermore, stock trading has no intristic value. It is like all things in this world: it has value because people believe it to. All currency is now just fiat money. Gold no longer backs it up; just faith. Even if we did use gold, Au it self only has limited intristic value and we end up in the same boat.

Granted, SP500 companies produce a lot of products but a company that can drive up its earnings through new products rarely does so for long. It becomes a victim of its own success; too much attention is attracted from larger aforementioned money firms and control is vested away from the originators.

Sure, IBM, Sun Microsystems and all of them provide services and products but rarely are they new wing-bang-great-wow types. IBM and Sun are both examples of an interesting dichotomey. Sun, lacking any new exciting products isn't really dying but rather just slowly going off into the sunset. Its story is coming to an end unless something changes. IBM is still around but just offers services. Their server business is a cash cow. They just exist. That is, neither Sun nor IBM are doomed to dissapear; they will simply just exist. Corporations have a strange mixture of immortality and necrosis. They can be immortal, but only like mountains: static, unchanging. Perhaps like bureaucracies exist, producing products and taking in money, putting money out to government and payment to workers who buy things...a monotonous circle.

And in this is the problem: the inability to change. Old money is a term used at times to describe it. There is no cabal of corporate powers (maybe [rotten.com]) that get together on a regular basis and plot plots but there is a culture, an understanding amongst those who are part of the circle of consumption/production that is as basic as human nature: wanting to belong to a tribe.

Google is not part of this circle of power, and neither are the minds behind it. People who are into open source, who want freedom over technology [imdb.com] because technology can be used by totalitarian powers (they want your thoughts and actions) to control you. Certainly not political powers (although it translates into it) but rather cultural power. Here in the US, the public space (where we walk, go to school, work, church) is where we can act and culture (our common interests) is derived from that space. However, we are also attempting to be a self-governing state and so we end up turning that public space into a political space as well. Open Source is just another radical idea because it widens the circle of power.

People in the circle want to keep it closed just because. Things like grass-roots democracy, public-political space, people talking to one another threatens the circle and helps widen it.

(I wrote the original parent of this thread, btw, if that really matters)

Earnings is the primary factor behind the growth of a stock price. There are various ways to keep earnings growth going, among one of which is new and exciting products. However, they are in the vast minority when it comes to other methods, such as cutting costs (ie, outsourcing, etc), cutting R/D expenditures, etc. Just look at Al Dunlop. He was put in place by a mutual fund. Nowadays, it is very common for very powerful funds (pensions like CALpers, Mutual Funds, Insurance Funds) -- which move more than 3/4's of the money on Wall St. -- essentially take over a company and demand that it produce profits at all costs. At any cost. Sunbeam is an example. Mr. Dunlop is now forbidden from running any publically traded company.

Furthermore, stock trading has no intristic value. It is like all things in this world: it has value because people believe it to. All currency is now just fiat money. Gold no longer backs it up; just faith. Even if we did use gold, Au it self only has limited intristic value and we end up in the same boat.

Granted, SP500 companies produce a lot of products but a company that can drive up its earnings through new products rarely does so for long. It becomes a victim of its own success; too much attention is attracted from larger aforementioned money firms and control is vested away from the originators.

Sure, IBM, Sun Microsystems and all of them provide services and products but rarely are they new wing-bang-great-wow types. IBM and Sun are both examples of an interesting dichotomey. Sun, lacking any new exciting products isn't really dying but rather just slowly going off into the sunset. Its story is coming to an end unless something changes. IBM is still around but just offers services. Their server business is a cash cow. They just exist. That is, neither Sun nor IBM are doomed to dissapear; they will simply just exist. Corporations have a strange mixture of immortality and necrosis. They can be immortal, but only like mountains: static, unchanging. Perhaps like bureaucracies exist, producing products and taking in money, putting money out to government and payment to workers who buy things...a monotonous circle.

And in this is the problem: the inability to change. Old money is a term used at times to describe it. There is no cabal of corporate powers (maybe) that get together on a regular basis and plot plots but there is a culture, an understanding amongst those who are part of the circle of consumption/production that is as basic as human nature: wanting to belong to a tribe.

Google is not part of this circle of power, and neither are the minds behind it. People who are into open source, who want freedom over technology because technology can be used by totalitarian powers (they want your thoughts and actions) to control you. Certainly not political powers (although it translates into it) but rather cultural power. Here in the US, the public space (where we walk, go to school, work, church) is where we can act and culture (our common interests) is derived from that space. However, we are also attempting to be a self-governing state and so we end up turning that public space into a political space as well. Open Source is just another radical idea because it widens the circle of power.

People in the circle want to keep it closed just because. Things like grass-roots democracy, public-political space, people talking to one another threatens the circle and helps widen it.

(I wrote the original parent of this thread, btw, if that really matters)

The book is this one. I wrote a serious review of it, and mentioned the author's arrest in passing. Amazon pulled it after a few weeks.

Don't believe me? Look here

... has hijacked the Goodyear blimp. They have been bouncing off buildings in downtown Manhatten for the past 2 hours.

Jul 21 1919

Two passengers, a mechanic and 10 bank employees are killed in Chicago when a Goodyear blimp, the Winged Foot Express, catches fire and crashes through the roof of the Illinois Trust and Savings Bank.

nah, more like this guy.

They should get a mention, especially as three-quarters of them were civilians.

"The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians. But that attack is only a warning of things to come. If Japan does not surrender, bombs will have to be dropped on her war industries and, unfortunately, thousands of civilian lives will be lost. I urge Japanese civilians to leave industrial cities immediately, and save themselves from destruction." - Harry Truman, August 9, 1945 (three days after Hiroshima, just after Nagasaki)

Interesting that the Pres would lie like that, eh?

Rape of Nanking is a forgotten Holocaust. The Japanese Government is reluctant to give a formal apology to the Rape of Nanking or the invasion to China herself. South Korean government received their long overdue apology just before the 2002 World Cup Soccer, co-organised by Japan/ Korea.

Some historians claimed that the lost of China to communism (and many other related problems) was the direct consequence of the Japanese Invasion. A whole generation of more educated/modernised officiers with the Chiang Kai-shek government got slaughtered between 7/7/1937 (the attack of Peking) to 13/12/137 (the fall of Nanking). The level of corruption in China got rampant after WW2 and thus triggered the shift towards communism....

The Japanese Emperor and the wartime cabinet should feel lucky as the atomic bomb was not directed towards them. At the end of the day, many Hiroshima and Nagasaki civilians are innocents.

clickable link

NSFW links below, but that should be obvious.

Children are tough. Seeing goatse or rotten.com or pichunter.com (a personal favorite of mine) isn't going to warp their minds. These are all things that happen and exist in the real world; seeing them as a child isn't going to do any more harm than seeing them as an adult.

I believe that Michael Moore is to left-wing/democrats what Ann Coulter is to the ring-wing/republicans. Except one is a small fat guy with beard and the other... isn't

Actually, if you listen to the right people, I think you'll find that Coulter is a small fat guy with a beard...

(It's a Rotten Library link, dudes, nothing sick or twisted there...)

Or, you might remember that he married a psycho woman, who shot him in the head.

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/act ors/phil-hartman/

Do people really need a biography for Steven Wozniak?

If they do, I might as well suggest an unusual one. Of course, you can also just learn about him from the man himself.

Evil me sez:

It will be available tomorrow on the following website.

Man... I'm trying to remember... the one about the meeting place in California where all the top world politicians go... oh yes... the Bohemian Grove

Although mainly propagated (sp?) by Alex Jones, who is somewhat of a nut, the hidden video he got of it is very interesting, to say the least.

I mean... on one hand, you have these Pagan type rituals being performed at night, on the other hand you have picutres of Bush Jr./Sr., Cheney, major Dems and Reps., and many other world leaders and major political/business heads there during the day.

This site has the MP3s from the show when Alex Jones was on. It was very interesting to say the least.

Some more info: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Grove.htm

You people.

EXACTLY!

Actually, she probably can.

Plus, I don't understand why it's so wrong that child pornography gets exchanged.

Because, like drugs, the first hit is always free. Seeing free images leads individuals to want to look for more, which they may pay for. This may lead to individuals hurting kids in order to satisfy the demand. And then there are also people who see images, who then want to carry these actions out themselves. Another good reason to stop the distribution of these images.

On the topic of rotten.com, I saw the Downward Spiral"> series of images. That's got to be the best anti-crime advertisement.

Do you really think the US government is doing "the wrong things". What exactly do you think they are doing in secret that is so bad for the general population of the US?

Oy. All you have to do is take a look at the kinds of things the CIA was doing during the Cold War, from testing LSD on unwitting human subjects to assassinating foregin leaders.

I agree, there's probably no aliens, and that's what I was talking about concerning Area 51. No one except a spy would care to spill the beans about a new aircraft (well, except maybe aerospace geeks), but if it were something like aliens, it'd get *out*.

It's the line between, the sorts of things that are big, but not *too* big, that I wonder about. And Bush *has* greatly curtailed the amount of information released to the public during his administration, including pushing back the publication of Reagan's papers, and when you do something like that, it's almost the right of people to ask themselves, "What could *be* in those papers that's so blasted important?"

I think one of the more famous cases was when Vanilla Ice stole^H^H^H^Hampled Queen/Bowie's "Under Pressure" for his hit (?) "Ice, Baby". He didn't get permission and got the shit sued out of him. He wound up settling out of court, and made everyone in the (at the time) new "sampling" style of music very aware that they were using bits of copyrighted works and had BETTER get permission!

There's a fascinating bio of this artist (?) on rotten.com: Here

Hey, I've posted a link to a site with the answer: HERE

Welcome to slashdot!

Here's an interesting article:

http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/gnosticism/

http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/