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Want FireFox like it was back in the 3.x days?

Use SeaMonkey that uses Firefox's engine. It hasn't changed its suite design for decades. ;)

Which about:config value can I tweak to turn off Australis and have normal navigation+refresh+home buttons, and tabs under the URL bar?

This one?

Psst... hey, check this out...

Want old-school Firefox without the new-age crap? Try Seamonkey.

Pale Moon (www.palemoon.org) is a quite good fork of FF pre-Australis.

Want old-school Firefox without the new-age crap? Try Seamonkey.

Fuck you, Firefox, with your shitty UX changes.

Do you even Seamonkey bro?

I still use suite version, SeaMonkey (used to be called Mozilla). It was designed since Netscape days, especially its Communicator.

I still prefer the BEST interface.

http://www.seamonkey-project.o...

Use Sea Monkey - Netscape Communicator theme and related extras supported forever without change.

http://www.seamonkey-project.o...

The closest thing these days to the promises of Firefox is SeaMonkey, you know.

Honestly, it's a good browser. And nobody is wrecking its UI.

I use Pale Moon on Win7 but there's no Mac version AFAIK. On OSX I use Seamonkey, which is also superior to FF but breaks more extensions:

http://www.seamonkey-project.o...

They really need to ditch those seriously fugly grippy things at the left of each toolbar, who wants a browser that looks like Netscape 4.7

http://www.seamonkey-project.o...

If you don't like the redesign Mozilla has done with the new tab page and want to avoid the sponsored tiles,

...then switch to SeaMonkey

yo dawg, I herd you'd like a fork of a fork of mozilla, so I recommend a fork of a fork of mozilla called seamonkey, which is basically mozilla. You get to keep many firefox extensions with it too.

If people volunteered a couple more complete themes for it, that would be great.

Have you tried Seamonkey? It feels a lot like Firefox classic.

Luckily this isn't the bad old days where it was just IE and netscape, today you DO have options! There is Comodo Dragon (what I use, better security features and no phone home to Google) Chromium, SWIron, and Opera which my oldest boy swears is the greatest thing ever (boy is he still pissed they quit using presto) and on the gecko side there is Firefox, PaleMoon (the other browser I use, I prefer the UI over IceDragon and it seems snappier), SeaMonkey, IceDragon, if you need really low resource there is always Kmeleon which runs really well even on a P3 running Win98SE and if you want to avoid BOTH the Chromium and Gecko engines you can go with QTWeb which is just what it says on the tin, a cross platform browser that uses Webkit and the QT framework...quite nice actually and of course Safari if you are into Apple. There is one other....what was it? Oh yeah the big blue E thing. ;-)

So if you don't like the direction Google is going? Don't use their products. After they started getting nasty with the TOS and trying to ram G+ down our throats I dropped Google like a bad habit, I set up a throwaway Gmail I never use just for my Android phone (so they can't tie my desktop and mobile together) and use my main Gmail for a spam dump, switched to Bing for my search and Yahoo for my mail so no one company has access too all my online data and ya know what? couldn't be happier. What DOES really piss me off about Google is how they have become a drive by spammer, you have no idea how many Chrome "infections" I've had to clean off of customers PCs because some "freeware" had Chrome tied into it. We used to get seriously pissed at how McCrappee and Horton used to dump their stupid scanners onto us with freeware so why isn't everyone mad at how Google is spamming Chrome? An unwanted install that takes over defaults...hmmm...if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck?

I simply trust Mozilla to do the right thing

One word: Australis

(Don't mind me, Seamonkey user just passing through...)

Seamonkey exists, has always been the last designbycommittee-bullshit-free Gecko-based browser for over a decade, but it always feels so unloved.

For a traditional UI in Mozilla plus all the other goodies you miss, Look no further

The SeaMonkey site has an "extract to subdirectory &run" Linux release on the front page. I'm finding that quite a bit can be done to "update" the UIusing just themes & extensions over at "SeaMonkey Addons" like MonkeyFix and Sea Fox, but Iget the sense that a lot more can be done via about:config.

Are you kidding me? Firefox is almost as bad about this "completely fucking change the UI every six months" thing as Chrome is.

The real answer is Seamonkey, which is basically the old Mozilla project under a different name. At this point it's basically FF 3.6 brought up to date with patches and actual improvements, as opposed to changes for the sake of change.

SeaMonkey is still going strong too, with a slightly smoothed version of the old Communicator interface - http://www.seamonkey-project.o...

And for those who want to use an easy all-in-one program to participate in Usenet, the Seamonkey web suite still includes an NNTP newsreader component (combined with the email component.) In addition to the Mozilla browser from before the beta-dudes at Firefox wrecked it, incidentally.

What we really need is "Firefox Classic": a maintainable fork that takes the Firefox code base and strips it down to the essentials, without social networking add-ons or any of that garbage. Sort of like how Firefox itself originally forked off of the Mozilla Application Suite, come to think of it.

What's wrong with just using the Mozilla Application Suite? It got renamed to SeaMonkey a long time ago and development has continued ever since. It's got a mail and news client in addition to the browser, but apart from that there's no bloat or garbage. If, like me, you don't want to use the mail and news client, just don't open that window, and you'll never even know it's there.

seamonkey project website says you are wrong.

SeaMonkey is a Mozilla browser that largely keeps a traditional browser layout and has the latest security patches. It works with the few plugins I use, including NoScript.

No, seriously. It's good. And I wouldn't touch anything that advertises itself as a customised firefox.

Indeed, I am thankful that seamonkey still has those prefs and is noscript compatible.

I thought I was a firefox user up until I explored other options, turns out that I am a noscript user.

If you are as tired as some of us are with the Firefox folks stripping functionality out of the Mozilla browser, why not use SeaMonkey instead? For those who don't know of it, SeaMonkey is a Mozilla fork that includes the whole 'classic' Mozilla/Netscape Suite. It has the Browser/Composer/Email/News bundle in one interface. It also will run most Firefox plugins (or Seamonkey versions thereof) NoScript is very easy to install.

I couldn't get by without Seamonkey for the way I interact with the Web. If I encounter formatted HTML on a page that I want to locally capture, I open up a Composer window and cut and past the formatted HTML into a new HTML file and save it locally. The democratic Web is based on a symmetrical web experience: that is, the browser and composer should both be available to all Web users. If you want a web browser where there's an 'Edit' choice in the 'File' menu at the left end of the menu bar, so you can open up a local copy, tweak and save a local copy of most any page you navigate to, you want Seamonkey.

Seamonkey can be explored and downloaded Here. It's available as source or a binary package for most freenixes and a Windows installer.

The fork already happened, ages ago. Seamonkey is the Mozilla fork that happened when the Firefox devs decided to go crazy and start stripping out useful stuff. Download Seamonkey and use it. It's very up to date because it's based on the same code from Mozilla as Firefox. Also, it has the Composer and Email and other integrated stuff intact.

And NoScript runs on it.

The fork already happened, ages ago. Seamonkey is the Mozilla fork that happened when the Firefox devs decided to go crazy and start stripping out useful stuff. Download Seamonkey and use it. It's very up to date because it's based on the same code from Mozilla as Firefox. Also, it has the Composer and Email and other integrated stuff intact.

And NoScript runs on it.

Which browser did you say was as user-configurable as Firefox again?

SeaMonkey.

And they don't update their versions like crazy either

LOL they release weekly just like FF, only difference being they increment the version # by less than 0.01 usually, instead of 1 like FF. Big deal.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news

Please, someone, make a browser that doesnt suck.

Try Seamonkey's browser.

Really, if developers are the audience why not just farm out this feature to the Seamonkey communication suite, the direct descendant of the Mozilla kitchensink browser + email client + HTML editor, etc. Wasn't the goal of Firefox to become the original speed browser by throwing out all the non-web features of the Mozilla dinosaur?

I wish they'd just get it over with and fully disown Thunderbird so that others who do give a damn can do something with it.

You seem rather unclear on the concept of open source. Anyone who cares can contribute to Thunderbird development. Anyone who has a better idea for its direction can take the code and fork it, even turn it back into a commercial product. And they have, there's a list of e-mail clients based on Thunderbird on Wikipedia, one of which is Postbox for $30.

Only in the minds of entitled armchair whiners does Mozilla paying salaries for Thunderbird engineers and even a messaging team for years somehow equate to "not giving a damn." The reality is there's little interest and clearly no money in a standalone e-mail client, and it's somewhat tangential to Mozilla's mission. As users moved to web mail and ISP-provided clients, Mozilla's various experiments to do cool collaborative and communication things with Thunderbird didn't have much impact.

(I've used the SeaMonkey browser-editor-mail-IRC suite since it was Netscape Navigator 2.0. SeaMonkey 2.11 remains a solid useful product with all the performance and memory wins of recent Firefox, and I really appreciate the talented few who keep it going with the aid of Mozilla's infrastructure.)

In 2005, with the official suspension of the Mozilla Browser project, it was expected that the 30+ Mozilla devs would, naturally, just switch development to Firefox, the new child, which at the time only had 3 core developers.

The Mozilla devs, however, upon looking at the bastardized, sloppy, memory-leak-filled Firefox pre-2.0 codebase balked. They considered the Firefox devs to be rank amateurs and there was a move to change up the org structure of Firefox. That backfired when the Moz Consortium, encouraged by Google, entrenched support against Firefox and basically shunned the old guard developers.

The old guard then decided to fork the old Mozilla browser and, against the wishes of the AOL Corp., completely diverge from Netscape towards a more lean, memory-resilient browser/email/chat program called **SeaMonkey**. It took a while, and they didn't have the hundreds of millions of dollars, or even a modicrum of the advertising money or corporate backing that Firefox has had, but their product is vastly superior where it counts to Firefox and Thunderbird and maintains binary compatibility with their plugins.

You should really check out SeaMonkey http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ It's how Firefox outside of the Moz Corp would be, and I enjoy it substantially more. Plus, they do a GREAT job keeping up with the Gecko Engine and are virtually always on a newer, better version than Firefox. Oh, and they don't have the memory problems, either.

It already exists http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

No, actually SeaMonkey is not the same, it's a classic Internet "Suite" that includes all kinds of stuff like a news reader and an e-mail client. If you just want a browser and/or use a different e-mail program, it's probably the wrong thing for you.

It already exists http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

You want SeaMonkey. Modern Gecko, archaic memory management model. Required system specs page says 128 MB of RAM and 233 MHz Pentium. It even sits in your system tray if you ask nicely enough. Not exactly pretty by modern standards, but I gather that's not your highest priority.

Seamonkey uses the same code as Firefox/Thunderbird for rendering the browser/mail functions, and provides a pretty suite experience (pun intended). They've been forced to keep up with FF's faster release schedule, but they do the sensible thing and only increment minor version numbers.
So the latest version of SM corresponding to FF 10 is 2.7.

Seamonkey is aimed at power users and is the successor of Netscape 4 and the Mozilla Suite, for those who miss the idea of a single 'internet suite. It comes with a browser, email/news/RSS client, HTML editor and Chatzilla for IRC.
There are many features built in that would otherwise require separate extensions on Firefox - for eg - 3rd party image blocking, mouse wheel behavior customization, a sidebar for searching and HTTP pipelining options.
There's a 'Data Manager' that lets you customize preferences for cookies,stored form data/passwords and other privacy options on a per site basis.
Most of the popular FF extensions have been ported over to it, and running SM with the mail/news component consumes less RAM than running FF and Thunderbird together. It also works with Firefox Sync, so you can keep bookmarks synchronized between different installations (or even between FF and SM if you use both).

I use the 'Classic default' skin that has the old Netscape style icons for nostalgia's sake.
I primarily use a HP netbook with 1 GB RAM and an Atom processor - and memory usage for SM, while moderate, is still lower than FF from what I've observed.
It's a pretty good browser suite and they don't dick around with the UI, so I'm surprised to see no one talks about it on Slashdot.

if you miss noscript try seamonkey http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.4.1

Seamonkey is the original Mozilla browser without all the Firefox crap thrown in. (At some point they felt the need to rename it from Mozilla, but I can't remember why.)

No Microsoft code, no trendy crap like ribbon bars, runs Ad Block Plus.

Firefox has been dumbed down ever since it was forked from Mozilla. That was, in fact, the main point of forking it: to provide a stripped-down browser that was easy to use. If you want a powerful, configurable Mozilla-based browser, then use SeaMonkey, which was the continuation of Mozilla. (Ironically, it has the additional advantage in recent years of not being bloated like Firefox.)

Go use Seamonkey if you're fed up with Mozilla.org. If enough people use Seamonkey then it'll start gaining more attention.

I for one am not going to use Google Chrome which those with some smarts will realise is effectively like using a prettier, faster version of Internet Explorer.

The only person I know of other than myself who used Firefox has given up and gone back to IE because of their idiocy. I've used Mozilla since 1.1 and I'm becoming sick of their direction.

Does this have to go on as long as the whole Xfree86 and GNU compiler fiascos?

Firefox 3 theme for Firefox 4+ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firefox-3-theme-for-firefox/ and Winestripe Realfox 4 (makes Firefox 4+ look like Firefox 1.5) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/winestripe-realfox-4/ There's also Pale Moon http://www.palemoon.org/ , which keeps the status bar and tabs below location bar by default. Anyways, Firefox's 4+ GUI can be reverted almost totally to the old style with a few clicks.

Enterprises and users who don't like the fast release pace could try SeaMonkey http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

I think I'll be going back to Seamonkey
I originally switched to Firefox (from Seamonkey) a couple of years ago for for the Add-ons.
I've since learned that a simple modification to the .xpi will allow most Firefox Add-ons to install problem free in Seamonkey (although this is probably becoming less true with each new version).
Seamonkey still feels like good old Netscape Communicator 4.x, with more under the hood obviously.

Seamonkey at least so far seems to be keeping to the well-proven old-school browser interface. The main problems I have with it are 1: why can't I get rid of that stupid Print button by the address bar? and 2: why do I need an HTML page editor in a browser, and why do I need it bound to a freaking command key? (Ctrl/Command-E), which are a lot less problematic than "where did my interface go?"