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I have set up a some shoutcast servers with the audio off CNN, for all those people who don't have access to CNN

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I have set up a some shoutcast servers with the audio off CNN, for all those people who don't have access to CNN

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I just noticed on soutcast [www.shoutcast.com] there are two diffrent news feeds listed on the top page if any one wants to listen through something other then WMP and Real.

Exactly. Let's be honest, this is fair. They own the patents on mp3, and in this country they have a right to charge licensing fees. They're only charging people who are making money off this, which is also fair. If one doesn't like this, then use a different format. But it's not like we're all going to be prosecuted for using our shoutcast servers or anything. Let's relax a bit.

Thanks Douglas for giving me more laughs than anyone else I know for the last 8 years (since I discovered the books). In my household (and may others I am sure), you will be sorely missed.

This reminds me of this slashdot story.

I've been listening to this SHOUTcast radio station over the weekend. They play a lot of Bill Hicks and George Carlin and they have a lot of strong poignent views on the way things are and why people act the way they do. My favourite view being that everyone should take magic mushrooms to open up their third eye and see the world for what it is.

On the other hand I think the point that is being made by the family is that the way people act is conditioned into them. Parents see that kids are violent because in a video game they are rewarded for being violent. it's a similar thing to Pavlov's dogs. However - humans (apart from psychopaths and sociopaths) can tell the difference between right and wrong and I think that this assumption that we cannot choose our own actions is wrong.

I'd advise people should make up their own minds on how far they wish to agree with what is being said. Go to the library and pick up a decent book on psychology. Read the sections about determinism and humanism. Read the studies and think how they are relevant and how they are flawed (like, if a study is done in a lab people are less likely to act the same way as they would in public). Also see if you can find someting on passive determinism. It's a sort of cross between determinism and humanism.

These are issues that can be brought up in both prosecution and defence so don't assume it's a black and white issue. Psychology is not an exact science and never will be. Pick the angle you favour most but understand the others.

Claric.
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Streaming copywritten songs on a shoutcast server is illegal without paying royalties, just like a radio station (at least from what Ive read).
BR>Alot of stations play non-copywritten material, but it wont be long (especially with broadband users growing) before they go after them too, when they 'consider them a threat'.

Now how are they going to crack down on Freenet, Mojo Nation and all the other anonymous distributed systems? And how long until they go after Shoutcast and other streaming services?

Check out how cool you are on this streamin radio station.

Besides, I found it was far more stable than icecast, although I still keep an eye on their development.
You just drop your mp3's into a directory and can provide on-demand content.

Shameless somewhat on-topic plug below :P

Finally, someone appearing on a "streamed" event has had clue enough to say, "Um, can the people interested in me actually see this?" I can't count the number of times I heard about an interesting streaming event and couldn't watch it because it was in some evolutionarly-dead-ended data format. I kinda like RealVideo as applications go, but it doesn't DO ME ANY FAVORS. Gimme, some streaming media I can see or hear on any platform.

Shoutcast comes to mind for audio.

The company acknowledged that the primary driver behind the upgrade was competition from other codecs, including Windows Media Audio, that purport to offer equivalent or better sound quality at half the MP3 data rate.

1st off. Windows Media Audio (what a crappy name), does NOT offer 128kbit MP3 quality at 64kbit. it's not even close, and you don't need a kick ass pair of speakers from here to tell the difference. Secoundly this is FUD in response to FUD. There lieing about Microsoft's success and saying "we can do the same thing". it's all a lie.

Now what IS true is that Windows Audio Whatever does offer much better quality at lower bitrate, WAAAYYY better quality. MP3 is really geared for >128kbit, while Windows Audio is really for OggVorbis Monty does talk about how OGG should scale very well to lower bitrates, so don't really expect and new compitition.

The new format is going to be fantastic news for sites like Nullsoft's shoutcast.com , live365.com (which only has 56 and lower streams). Where lower bitrates are very common, and well.. sounds like crap.

Finally this is a good marketing move, For microsoft to say, "We have something better" doesn't mean much, for the guys who made the big #1 success to say "We can a new version, that's better". means a lot. It's like "MP3 II, the return of the codec". that and making it backwards compatible is going to mean instance acceptance.

Also FgH is going to be able to protect it's IP better this time around, maybe not even release a "dist10" (demo source) like they did last time, which spawned LAME, BladeEnc, and every other codec outthere.

Hopefully we all give this the big middle one, and use OggVorbis, unfortantly it's not done, and currently performes like crap.. at least for now. hopefully in the future this will change.

-Jon

Not to mention the total amounts of possible listeners for a song. Real radio, song played once, no real way to know how many people heard it (Arbitron is a joke, but they use those numbers so I guess you can guess how many people hear it). In larger markets this can be upward of 1m people. With Internet radio you know exactly how many streams are connected per song. That's a big difference, and even the most popular mp3 streams are currently under 1000 users.

Of cource, even if you play all independent or live music, my guess is that you will end up having to pay the RIAA, or go to court. I can smell the DMCA from here.
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It used to be that the big music companies got all the radio time. Now they get to have direct sales from their radio times. A better example of corporations being able to contrl the opinions of the populace, I have not heard.

This means that the corporations get to pick what sheeple like, while those of use that are self-thinking MUST relly on shoutcast or other similar non-mainstream systems to be able to pick music on our own.

Let's just say this is one system I won't be using.

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Shoutcast makes a streaming audio server in some ways similar to what real is doing. Is this something they could bitchslap me for if they had the desire?

I have no idea how shoutcast feels about my program and I doubt anybody there even knows about it. Makes you nervous to develop software these days.

At the risk of some RIAA maven finding it, very few people seem to have mentioned the Shoutcast DNAS and Icecast. Shoutcast is moving towards generating analysis of listeners including the 'golden number' of listener time. Site/station popularity is already covered by the Shoutcast directory and associated services like Live 365. While low bandwidth continues to be common, 24 or 56k streaming of the traditional one-to-many radio format remains a popular and usable choice for online listening. The majority of servers on the system tend to be hobbyist or vanity shows but I'm sure it wouldn't take much work to integrate a big hard drive full of tunes with some smart database software to create a DARLA-ish server for streaming .

You beat me to it.
What we have tried to do is hook up with other unsigned bands who have a good local foothold, and link-share. We push them on our friends and fans and they do the same for us (we think!). It seems to work...next step would be for us to travel to and play in each others' towns. The little guys really need to stick together and help a brother out, you know? ;-)
Back to your point - We've tried finding odd bands on Napster and there really aren't many there, because Napster is made up of users, and the majority of users are drooling over Britney and NSync right now. (Hork!) You can still get good radio from Shoutcast, though. There are a bunch of good Indian and Asian stations. :-)

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How long is it going to be before we get a real MP3 broadcasting radio statio playing MP3's of mainstream artists?

Negative six months

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Yes. But Shoutcast is a commercial product, as you can read on the license, and I doubt there is any source available. There are versions for some unices, indeed.

Icecast seems to do a great job and it's under GPL, but it needs an external mp3 encoder. This is the bad point: free ones like BladeEnc and Lame are under pressure by the Fraunhofer patent (at least in USA and Germany).

It's really a pity, because Lame 3.70 has a really good psycoachustic model, encodes at a speed that is twice the real time on a 300MHz system, can also do variable bitrate encoding (slower). It can also perform the re-encoding on the fly to change the bitrate, which is a must when you have to broadcast mp3 ad a certain speed.

But patents hold down all this in the non-commercial use, even in countries where patents on software are not allowed (Europe), due to some legal tricks (I believe).

My 0.02 Euro.

1. As mentioned above the premeir open-source on is www.icecast.org, The original is www.shoutcast.com, for additional resources and to talk to people their is www.shoutclub.com.

2. If you want to stream *live* audio then liveice (which is part of icecast) shout work, if you on windows then use the SC plugin for winamp.

3.One of the biggest problems isnt software its bandwidth!! A decent sounding stream is at least 56K minimum, even with a T1 your nadwidth can max out quickly, if your stream is non-commercial then look into www.live365.com which provides free bandwidth for non-commercial streams along with a slew of tools.

4. If you need more advice then check out www.bigfreakinserver.com. This is our site we have a forum which we monitor frequently and will be happy to answer any streaming questions. bigfreak pipes out 3 streams over a 768Kbps DSL line, running on a dual proc Celercon, running FreeBSD :).

5. Finally here is a little fun tools for all you stream listeners, called streamripper located at www.bigfreakinserver.com (Look in the PROJECTS section). Which allows you to hook up to an mp3 and rip the tracks directly to your hardrive :). very fun indeed.

Well enjoy the resources.

However, illegally copying/stealing music is not the way to do it. That will simply encourage the government to pass stricter laws to stop you.

Exactly, and when our laws require that 25% of the 18-25 year-olds in this country go to jail for copyright infringement, it will be obvious to everyone (and not just the gifted souls who can pick points out an idiot's rantings) that our current IP laws are a pile of shit.

MP3.com is not bad. I prefer streaming music, since I have my own pipe and limited disk space. Try here and here for starters.
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It was interesting to know about the limitations on Internet radio stations. I didn't know that. But now I have to ask: Why, then, hasn't the RIAA sued Shoutcast.com (owned by Winamp owned by AOL) or MyCaster.com? These are services that give the user the ability to webcast anything he wants in the order he wants. Many of these broadcasters use original material but many don't. Wouldn't it be in the RIAA's best interest to track these so-called pirates down?

Second point: Maybe we are wishful thinkers. It has been commented here at /. that it would have been best that instead of complaining on an Act that has ALREADY been passed we had done something to prevent it. Now, this lobbying that would have been necessary is quite expensive. But someone has to do it!! Come on, even big bad corporation Microsoft didn't lobby hard enough and that's one of the reasons they are being prosecuted so energetically by the Justice Department, because there aren't enough lawmakers behind them because Microsoft didn't thought for a minute it would help; they thought thay could win this case by their own arguments. Well, maybe this is a bad example because Microsoft did wrong and it's a corporation. But the point is that it would be very helpful if some of the I-got-a-huge-IPO Linux Companies started lobbying which means, after all, talking to congressmen, explaining the OSS community arguments to them, etc.

Finally, I know it's expensive, but could someone give an opinion on how expensive and what the best means are to have our voice heard on Congress because that's where, corporatism aside (or maybe this is wishful thinking too because you can't separate both things), everything is decided after all.

hmm, are you familar with the consolidation that has occurred recently in the radio industry?

Do you know who really decides playlists and formats?

DJs play (for most big commercial radio stations) exactly what they are told to.

One of the big problems with radio in general at this point in time, is the corruption at high levels. Big time payola and kickbacks. There is a current scandal right now with the PDs and GMs at major New York stations where they recieved full all expense paid trips to Bermuda, provided by Ricky Martin's marketing reps.

If you want commercial free "radio" try shoutcast or live365 or any other collections that I haven't stumbled across yet.

Radio, IMHO, sucks.

The current state of streaming media seems to be a joke. I have found some radio programs I would like to listen to, but the "high speed" feeds are for 28.8 modems and stream at 16kbps. The quality is horrid. Its a shame, considering I have ADSL. I want a 128kbps feed for audio, until then I think it is just a novelty and to painful to listen to. I wonder if the broadcasting industry will legally prevent high quality streaming media.

This remains sadly true for the majority of commerical audio sources on the net. But you have heard of shoutcast and icecast? Both sites have a directory service listing mp3 streams, an number of which are 128kbps or greater. That offers excellent quality, better than fm radio, if I can compare apples and oranges.

I live in an area with poor broadcast radio coverage, so this has been an invaluable service for me in finding new music. And it's really nice not to have to listen to commercials. :)

Jeez, anyone ever heard of shoutcast? There's even an open source version available, icecast. These will stream mp3's like they were never-ending web page. They can do live broadcasts, playlists, etc.

You can hear it on Shoutcast. Several of their 'stations' broadcast it: HGthG on Shoutcast

I've never been a big fan of streaming media

live365 and shoutcast

I listen to streaming music at least 5 hours a day, only stuff I want to, and NO commercials. Streaming music kicks ass (yes, you do need a broadband connection, dial-up is soo 20th century). I'll agree with you on the video part, but I don't think it will take 10 years. Things are improving on both ends, bandwidth and processing power. Bandwidth gets you the bits and processing rearranges them into pretty pictures. I've seen a few good streamers, and the pr0n industry seems to have it working fairly well (or so a little bird told me), but I think 3-5 years is more accurate than 10. With a good server, off-peak times, and a bit of luck I've gotten full screen video that's within a factor of 2 to TV (antennae) quality (Wierd Al's Star Wars video is a good example).

BTW, another good short film site is AtomFilms

I'd like to nominate the Icecast project. After the huge hype of Shoutcast, which allowed anyone with WinAmp to repeat their MP3 audio to a server (thusly to many listeners), these people sat down and said "We can do better -- and we can do under the GPL." The rest is history.

With the latest stable release being v1.3, they have allowed many to setup their own MP3 streaming music servers. It's very handy for setting up (via a program like Yell or Shout, which send the MP3s to the server without reencoding) a small 486 box in the corner that can be a jukebox for an entire LAN. They have also pioneered some important updates to the defacto Shoutcast standard.

An interview with Jack Moffitt, the team leader, is available from LinuxToday

Note: Their parent sponsor, Greenwitch has been down since the 1st of January, with DNS service non existant. As I write this message, their DNS is still not working. The DNS fixes are propagating, and the Icecast people are available on norton.openprojects.net #icecast.
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These should be better in the AM. Reply with new streams and webcams, please.

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Listen to history happening.

To quote http://www.shoutcast.com/...


SHOUTcast is Nullsoft's Winamp-based distributed streaming audio system. Now you can listen to live streaming audio, and even broadcast your own SHOUTcast station from the comfort of your regular Internet connection.

After the 1996 Telecommunications Act was passed into law, the media focused mainly on cable TV and cell phones with no coverage of the potential impact on radio. According to ARD by the end of 1997 over 4000 of the nation's 11,000 radio stations had been sold and in the 50 largest markets three firms controlled over 50% of the ad revenue (in 23 of those markets 3 firms controlled over 80% of revenues.)

This buying frenzy sent the cost of radio skyrocketing. The Rev, a radio station with a weak signal and less than a 2% market share, sold for over $17 million! More than ever, when you travel around the country, you hear the same songs, the same voices, the same commercials -- no matter what station you listen to.

While MP3 streaming radio has helped to fill the gap for me, it's only a moderately reasonable alternative because of my DSL connection.

To me, this falls in line with some of the same goals of the Open Source movement. More and better access for everyone, and less of an opportunity for special interest control. Control of the airwaves by media conglomerates means less artistic freedom and more packaged and processed drivel.

-djH

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> Actually, I can think of some instances in which sound card drivers could be vital for a
> web server. How about streaming audio over the 'net from a live sound source?

When you do live streaming audio, you use don't use your web server to encode the audio - you use a separate, dedicated machine for that. This is true for Real Audio as well as Shoutcast and the open-source Icecast.

(I'm not talking out my ass here - I geek for Technostate, an internet radio station that broadcasts live events.)

Granted, icecast could be extended to support video as well, but right now it doesn't.

I suppose a 24kbps mp3 would be OK, though not nearly as good as using Real's G2 stuff that adjusts the quality to your available bandwidth. And you'd have to stream the audio...I suppose shoutcast would work, but that still requires Windows (Winamp) to send the stream, AFAIK. And no, HTTP streaming is not the answer.