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Trust me, you do not want to be someone's "wife" in FPMITA Prison.

But if we send you to jail, and try to protect you from other prisoners (which, believe me, we do),

You actually believe that?

Do you also believe in the Easter bunny?

Read this: http://www.spr.org/en/news/pre2002/doc_01_answerme.asp

Hans murdered her, because he loved his kids and she was taking them away from him. She burned him in every way possible and he finally snapped. It wasn't right but it was something I can understand.
Welcome to the modern dilemma where all the raw male emotions required to fight for survival and hunt for food have to be caged and ignored in order to be processed by the system like a slab of beef. Guess what sometimes when you hound someone through the courts, fuck his best friend, and try to deny him access to his kids by moving them to russia you might find out that he can only take so much.

Having been made into weekend daddy/ATM myself I know where the guy was coming from. He just let it off the leash for a few minutes and then scrambled to try to avoid having the rest of his life ruined...
Some people are only alive because it would be illegal to kill them, and from what I saw of her actions Nina fit that bill.

All you do nothing hounds who never wrote a line of code, or did anything worth remembering in your entire life clamoring for him to be brutalized in prison, I spit on you. I have had family and friends in prison the shit that will be done to him, it would be kinder to kill him. Last time I checked the sentence was for a number of years not a number of brutal rapes and or infection with aids, hep C, or herpes. Try to familiarize yourself with what you so gleefully wish on another human being. http://www.spr.org/ the survivor stories would probably be a good place to start.

The man worked his ass off and gave away the fruits of his genius to the world, and because he gave it away he was broke when it came time for him to buy someone like Johnny Cochran ( I neither know nor care how that fucks name is spelled).

I for one will be sending him 10 or 20 bucks a month to his prison commissary, small things like that can really make a huge difference when you are behind bars. If you enjoyed using his file system, or if you ever found yourself in a bad situation you regret maybe you should too.

Or at least stop rushing in to point out black and white cats, they are all grey in the dark after all. If you have a problem with what I have to say, please reply.
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I think this is a disgrace. A fellow Australian, who has never even been to the US, is extradited to the US for a crime that was never committed on US territory because of the damage to certain US corporations.

My main question is this: is Senator Ellison aware of what he is doing by not granting Griffith's appeal to the extradition. He faces up to 10 years for this crime, in a Virginia court; the sentence for rape in Victoria Australia is 6 years 9 months.

20% of inmates in the US have been coerced into sex and 10% of inmates have been raped [source: SPR. Prison rape is largely an American phenomenon due to an institutional apathy that surrounds it. There is no prison rape in the Netherlands, much less in the UK and in Australia, and it is also non-existent, altho for other reasons, parts of latin america (Bolivia, Venezuela). A 10 year sentence, even if served at a minimum security prison includes a very high likelihood of being raped, especially as a young male on a non-violent offence.

So how does Senator Ellison justify allowing this extradition and subsequent sentence in a US prison, far from his family and friends, at risk to his health, including a possible death sentence from HIV, for a crime that yielded him no money, but allegedly cost American corporations $50million (and most of us here would note the difference between $50million worth of software and $50 million worth of sold units).

MB--

That would only be true if we claimed to be able to exactly lay out the absolute morality. Given that we (Lewis says so in one of his books, I agree) accept that we might be mistaken about particular points of morality (and,no doubt, are) the accusation fails.

My position is that there is a right and wrong that is more fundamental the genetic and cultural factors in our behaviour. This means it is meaningful to say that some things that our genes pre-dispose us to do are morally wrong - what Christians call original sin.

You are certain some Absolute Moral exists beyond genes and game theory, but can't give arguments or examples. You can't even make an good case about rape!!

Religion need that morale is absolute -- since the argument is important to you, read up on the evolutionary arguments on behaviour so you can begin to think/argue about it. My honest opinion is that you just don't have the mental tools to discuss the subject.

With that I end the argument. The rest is discussion.

So would you advocate rape if you a set of circumstances arose in which it worked better?

But we both do, or are you active against e.g. this or Sudan? In a few decades, the obvious moral answer to what I'd guess a future morale is -- "What, not your country? What has that to do with anything?!" I'd guess that the next logical step is to take responsibility for more than your own country. Then they will argue that is the Absolute morale...

And you don't need to think something is right -- it is necessary in some cases, because the alternatives don't work. These days, we in the west have a larger leeway in deciding what we do -- in the west. I see it as morally wrong to condemn others for what they had to do.

No he did not [limit to modern societies]

That explains the the difference. However I would say that that makes modern society morally better than those societies in that respect (we are probably worse in others. Your position implies that both are equally valid, and there is no way of making a moral comparison and say one is better.

When pressure came from Human Rights Watch the US government's response was to pass a "Prisoner rape elimination act" the chief result of which was to commission a study by one Mark Fleisher, who concludes that, get this:

sexual pressure ushers, guides or shepherds the process of sexual awakening.

This should have topped the list and of course, since American technologists don't count (just look at the H-1b and outsourcing riots trashing their ability to support families) it didn't appear anywhere

"The worst possible outcome is that you will be found guilty and gang raped repeatedly in prison. In america any jail sentence carries with it an adjunct punishment of rape."

Is that really true?
I kinda think it is an urban legend. Not that it never happens ... but does it happen to everyone?

"I know what you mean, I've seen pictures of myself taking a bath as a baby. BTW, I still have those pictures; does that make me guilty of possessing child porn ?"

Assuming you live in the USA, yes it does. It doesn't matter who the subject of the photograph is, only the age. In fact a 15yr girl took pictures of herself and sent them out in emails. She was subsequently arrested and charged with production, possession and distribution of CP.

I strongly suggest you remove those photos from your possession and burn them. If you decide to hide them in your attic or unused dresser drawer then never, ever agree or submit to a search without a warrant. If some routine event causes the police to stumble across them be prepared for a long expensive fight with jail time. Very unpleasant jail time I might add http://www.spr.org/.

People who accidentally downloaded CP from newsgroups who then attached the .jpg to an email complaint to the FBI soon found out that's the same as possession and distribution as in any other form. The law does not distinguish who is in the picture, why you possess it or why you distributed it. Just that you did.

Warranted or not, right or wrong, you are a felon. Protect yourself.

Acording to http://www.spr.org/ 1 in 5 men and 1 in 4 women are raped while in prision.

I went and looked up the Federal Sentencing Guidelines http://www.ussc.gov/2004guid/tabcon04_1.htm Turns out, for a raping another prisioner or even a correctional officer raping prision you get 32 points. (FYI: each crime is weighted on a point scale. Each crime has a base point and then you can get "extra credit" to increase the points based on the actual details of the crime.) If you are first time offendor serving a time for a pervious crime, then you're looking at between 11 and 13 years for a prision rape. If you are serious offendor, then plan somewhere in the neighborhood of about 22 years for raping someone. Federal law, btw, makes prision rape a federal crime.

While everyone is being brutal about the GP for saying that you get 20 years for doing prision rape, according to the sentencing guidelines, which Federal Judges are bound to, then 20 years would sound right. That would be enough for anyone with the hope of getting out not to do it. Also, since it is a sex crime, then the prisioner upon release for committing prision rape would have to register as a sex offendor. Now the idiot that got his jollies on his cell mate won't be able to get a job because he'll be labeled a felon and a pervert.

And that is just on the federal level.

Salute - wish I had mod points for you (instead of excellent karma) and that I'd seen this topic earlier.

The widespread tolerance of prison horrors and misery has always baffled me, being unpragmatic as well as so needlessly cruel. I support Stop Prisoner Rape and encourage the exploration of their website...

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http://www.spr.org/pdf/struckman.pdf

http://www.spr.org/pdf/struckman.pdf

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/hivpj99.htm

http://www.hrw.org/reports98/women/#TopOfPage

http://www.spr.org/en/factsheetattitudes.html

Now where's the Mea Culpa AC? Or are you just going to run your idiot mouth and fade into the background hoping no one will notice you made a fool of yourself?

http://www.spr.org/pdf/struckman.pdf

http://www.spr.org/pdf/struckman.pdf

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/hivpj99.htm

http://www.hrw.org/reports98/women/#TopOfPage

http://www.spr.org/en/factsheetattitudes.html

Now where's the Mea Culpa AC? Or are you just going to run your idiot mouth and fade into the background hoping no one will notice you made a fool of yourself?

http://www.spr.org/pdf/struckman.pdf

http://www.spr.org/pdf/struckman.pdf

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/hivpj99.htm

http://www.hrw.org/reports98/women/#TopOfPage

http://www.spr.org/en/factsheetattitudes.html

Now where's the Mea Culpa AC? Or are you just going to run your idiot mouth and fade into the background hoping no one will notice you made a fool of yourself?

You're completely right--it isn't funny. It's very, very scary. It's the reason people here are scared of going to jail. Sadly, a jail sentence almost guarantees cruel and unusual punishment in the form of anal rape. Last week on The Boondocks they covered this topic. One character is a lawyer who has always been straightlaced because of the threat of anal rape.

I remember, from a few years ago, an anti-rape activist (found his name thanks to Google: Tom Cahill) who was protesting the Vietnam war while living in San Antonio, and the police basically caused him to be raped. They threw him in a room with a bunch of career criminals and allowed him to be raped for about 24 hours continuously. That was his punishment for protesting the war.

By the way, I found his current website.

I personally believe that almost all prisons in the US today violate the Constitutional Amendment prohibiting cruel and unusual punishment. But hey, the retards in my government routinely extract suspects for torture in the name of fighting terrorism, so I shouldn't be surprised. Yet another example of why it is shameful to be an American. I just pray they don't reviolate the First Amendment by bringing back prayer in school (ahem--Intelligent Design).

As I understand it prison rape is much less of a problem in this country than it is in the US. That's at least in part because our justice officials don't talk as if rape is a proper part of the criminal justice system. See Stop Prisoner Rape for more details.

Circumvention may be legal, but making a tool to do it is illegal and there is no exception.

A reverse loophole in the law.

Using the softwae might be legal, but making it would be illegal.

I am not a lawyer, but I have seen what the courts have ruled and what legal experts have said.

I can make a DRM tool that does x-> (x+1) % 256 for every byte and it will be illegal for you to make a decryptor for it to break "content" that I have "protected" with it.

DRM is technically breakable.
DRM + DMCA makes it illegal.

DRM is like a "key" which starts the DMCA "car", which runs you over.

The DMCA gives DRM legal powers, which are a lot harder and riskier to break than technical powers.

And a geek won't survive long in a federal pen.

http://www.spr.org/

The jokes about prison life are real. Unless perhaps you get sent to Nellis Federal Prison here in Las Vegas, but you likely will get sent somewhere really bad because you annoyed the wrong people (costing rich people money).

And even if you avoid it, kiss your rights goodbye. And no politicians will even listen to a convicted felon.

I know everyone loves that Steve Jobs quote about decreasing boot time*, and I know a distributed crime is still a crime, and I figure that white-collar criminals are probably the group of lawbreakers most likely to be swayed by 'examples' of horribly disproportionate punishments for crimes --

but to claim that being violently raped, repeatedly, is an acceptable repayment to society for any crime, is a sign that some people here need to unplug a bit. If you get more bent out of shape over spam than large scale violence against fellow people, no matter what laws or social boundaries they've crossed, then I sincerely hope I am never on the recieving end of your decision-making process. It's just junk mail. Yeah, it sucks; but if someone gave a nation the choice between everyone receiving junk mail every day, or having a specific individual gang raped, I should hope the nation would be enlightened enough to deal with the stupid colored pamphlets.

For the love of all that's right, end prison rape.

* It goes something like "It's my moral responsiblity to decrease the Mac's boot time, because if I shave ten seconds off, and have 5 million users, and they each use their Macs for so many years, I'll have saved fifty lives". Uncle Google is failing me right now...

That the proportion of incidence of HIV/AIDS to total population is a low one(about 39.4 million infected(1) in a population of about 6.4 billion(2) for about .6 infected people per 100) means that any random person has a rather low risk of contracting HIV in the next, say, ten years. Statistically, _nobody_ catches AIDS for any reason, except for a few anomalies. Certainly it's easy to ignore AIDS cases caused by a subset of possible causes in a relatively unaffected subset of all people, because _every_ case of AIDS in the USA is a statistical anomaly.

Unfortunately, in the real life you speak of nobody is 6/1000ths HIV+. It's easy to hide information using statistics; with the 6/1000ths number one might not expect for whole countries to have an adult HIV/AIDS prevalence rate of 21.3%(3) One might not even expect 640,000 children 15 and under to have been newly infected with HIV in 2004(4).

Of course AIDS isn't going to kill us all, at least not until it somehow manages to become transmissible by mosquito bite. But to say that "normal" people who "take a modicum of precaution" don't catch AIDS except for a few anomalies is willingness to misleadingly ignore those life has shat on, and because of that ignorance claim those covered shit don't exist.

Consider:

Correctional institutions in the USA have an HIV/AIDS rate five to ten times higher than that of the general population(5).

In 1998, 11.5 million inmates were released from jails and prisons(6), re-entering the "normal" population and bringing with them any diseases contracted while imprisoned.

It is estimated that more than 425,000 inmates in the USA are raped every year, although accurate numbers are notoriously difficult or impossible to come by(7)

True monogamy is really very uncommon, with most sexually active people in the USA going through a period of serial monogamy, wherein they may have a great number of sexual partners, allowing diseases such as AIDS to be spread unwittingly even by those held in trust.

(1)http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
(2)http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/ra nkorder/2119rank.html
(3)http://www.unaids.org/en/geographical+area/by+c ountry/namibia.asp
(4)http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
(5)http://www.spr.org/en/factsheetdisease.html
(6)Ibid.
(7)http://www.menweb.org/throop/abuse/usa-prison.h tml

These folks agree with you. That's nice to know.

http://www.spr.org/ might disagree.

They spent all their time ... running up and down the halls screaming about how much pussy they got. ... And today, the odds are that they are on welfare or in jail.

And still, as much as I'm ashamed to admit it, I wish I'd had so much pussy as they have, even for the price of what they get now.

-- A typical Slashdot Reader.

Let me clarify - you should do what's right and face any charges, civil or criminal - however - don't allow yourself to even spend one day or even an hour in jail - see http://www.spr.org/ for why.

Stay out of jail while getting evidence and aid to your side (or having public supporters do so).

Your #1 priority is staying out of jail until a final disposition of the case (if there is a criminal case).

Even if you win in the end, you must not be left alone in prison for any length of time.

Increasing level of risk:

Police/court lockups -> city jail -> county jail -> state and federal pen

Get the number of a bail bond agency NOW. Read http://www.spr.org/ NOW. Do some weight training to get strong NOW. Train yourself to run fast too - not to escape prison, but to escape the other prisoners. Remember, on the inside, you have no friends, just those who are threats, and those who (currently) are not.

An hour imprisoned can be a death sentence with AIDS.

Let me clarify - you should do what's right and face any charges, civil or criminal - however - don't allow yourself to even spend one day or even an hour in jail - see http://www.spr.org/ for why.

Stay out of jail while getting evidence and aid to your side (or having public supporters do so).

Your #1 priority is staying out of jail until a final disposition of the case (if there is a criminal case).

Even if you win in the end, you must not be left alone in prison for any length of time.

Increasing level of risk:

Police/court lockups -> city jail -> county jail -> state and federal pen

Get the number of a bail bond agency NOW. Read http://www.spr.org/ NOW. Do some weight training to get strong NOW. Train yourself to run fast too - not to escape prison, but to escape the other prisoners. Remember, on the inside, you have no friends, just those who are threats, and those who (currently) are not.

An hour imprisoned can be a death sentence with AIDS.

The teen was arrested in Broward County in May on charges of delivering marijuana, a felony. He had 30 grams - or about an ounce - of marijuana in his possession at the time of the arrest.

The 19-year-old spent the first night of his sentence in a 7-by-8-foot cell with Randolph Jackson, 35, who has been in jail since July 2002 awaiting trial on a sexual battery charge.

In the early morning hours of June 7, Jackson allegedly held a ballpoint pen to the teen's throat and raped him. Jail staff did not know about the incident until later in the day, when the 19-year-old's family members, alarmed by comments he made during a telephone conversation, called to report it, jail officials said... ...Sheriff's Office officials say the 19-year-old would normally have been sent to an open-barracks wing where nonviolent felony inmates are usually assigned. But because the jail was near capacity, and the open-barracks wing full, jail officials say he was sent to B Pod, a wing composed of one-man and two-man cells that house mostly inmates charged with violent felonies.

You're full of shit

He will have to be very lucky to not be abused in prison, especially since he is large and has socialization ("afraid to go outside", etc) issues.

18 months confinement is bad enough, but he is at risk of much more:

http://www.spr.org/

Stop the abuse in our nation's prisons.

Geeks are prime targets. 18 months is more than enough time, heck 18 hours is more than enough time to be victimized. Some people get abused before they are even tried.

See this website http://www.spr.org/

No, there is no organization protecting you from prisoner rape and there is no organization protecting you from crime by watching your every move.

There is only Big Brother and what he perpetrates against you, unmonitored by the public, in Room 101.

While Abu Ghraib is definitely an abuse situation, there were no cases of rape involved, and it's not standard U.S. policy to rape people. U.S. society doesn't view it as a viable, standard policy.

I have to disagree. Prison rape is quite widespread in the US. The constant jokes on Slashdot about the "federal pound-me-in-the-ass -prisons" make it clear that this matter is both known and accepted by the public. When something happens constantly and is known and accepted by the general public, it can be considered to be the de facto policy of the land.

So yes, it is standard US policy to rape people.

Furthermore, below you say that the Abu Ghraib page did mention claims of rape. Is there some kind of evidence that rape did not take place, since you claim this with such certainty ? The pictures from Abu Ghraib proof that sexual torture took place, which gives quite a lot of credibility to claims of specific torture forms (such as rape). Therefore, unless evidence to the contrary can be found, one must assume that these claims are true.

Well, anyway, I changed the link to something clearly more pertinent (in my mind)--"Human rights in Saddam's Iraq." The Saddam page specifically describes how rape was used against political dissidents and citizens, just as the section on the rape page talked about, so already it was more relevant than the Abu Ghraib link. Also, I had feelings that the Abu Ghraib link was politically motivated, and rather than have the page start political flamewars, I felt a link to Saddam's Iraq was something everyone could agree on.

So, since you thought that a link about US soldiers raping Iraq soldiers was politically motivated (presumably by pro-Iraq or anti-US feelings), you changed it to a link about iraqs raping someone. You did this to avoid a flamewar, because surely no one would ever think that you were trying to show Iraq as a villain and US as a heroic liberator ? The pro-Iraq and anti-US factions behind the previous, politically motivated link, couldn't possibly imagine that changing it was politically motivated, could they ?

Apparently they could. Those paranoid infidels.

I came back, and sitting beside my Nanjing link was, you guessed it, Abu Ghraib again, snuck in with some other major update. The page on Abu Ghraib doesn't even mention rape except that one prisoner is claiming it without proof. However, the Saddam page mentions rape, and Nanjing is just a given.

So, the Abu Ghraib page does mention rape, then ? So what, exactly speaking, makes it so non-relevant to the article that it had to be changed in the first place ?

As for lack of evidence, how many of the raped prisoners in the US can proof the crime ? Did the Iraq page have proof ? Are you competent criminal investigator, so you can judge the validity of the possibly existing proof ?

I also find this same thing in other articles. For instance, the Windows XP article contains a "fisher price" comment. I removed it and said it was a personal comment that implies a majority of users feel that way, and that if you're going to imply it, you should cite it. The hardcore guy of the Windows XP page stuck the link right back and linked to a couple of blogs and news sites where the author mentions the "fisher price" interface--still no hard numbers to show the majority of users actually feel that way, but now it looks "official" simply because he linked to some sites that use the term.

The current version of the Windows XP article doesn't seem to mention anything about "fisher price", so I can't check for myself. However, if you ask for citations, and the other guy links to citations, what, excatly speaking, are you accusing him of ? Surely you realize that it's impossi

While Abu Ghraib is definitely an abuse situation, there were no cases of rape involved, and it's not standard U.S. policy to rape people. U.S. society doesn't view it as a viable, standard policy.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. It is commonly known that if you go to prison, you're probably going to be raped. Prison officials have done little to nothing to curb the problem, so the threat remains. Therefore, it has become defacto U.S. policy to rape people.

Rape isn't funny

Amnesty International don't think so

Neither do these guys

Nor does Human Rights Watch

A quarter of prisoners aged 18 to 25 claim they have been sexually assaulted while in custody

Amnesty International don't think so

Neither do these guys

Nor does Human Rights Watch

A quarter of prisoners aged 18 to 25 claim they have been sexually assaulted while in custody

Yes, life in prison is great. Rape and AIDS are a breeze!

Contrary to popular opinion, rape isn't funny no matter where it happens. We might as well joke about your mother's corpse filled with shit. It just isn't funny no matter what angle you look at it from. Check out stop prisoner rape to regain a little humanity.

but what is the deal with Americans and prison rape?

Apparently, the problem of prison rape is so real in the US, that it is actually one of the worst aspects of going to jail. 1 in 10 males in prison are raped, according to this fact sheet.

Being from Europe (like I assume you are), this sort of thing is completely unbelievable, but there you are.

A few nights in jail can be a big price to pay indeed. Prison rape is a really, really big problem. And some protestor will be "fresh meat" for the predators indeed.

If it is possible to make yourself into a great hacker, the way to do it may be to make the following deal with yourself: you never have to work on boring projects (unless your family will starve otherwise), and in return, you'll never allow yourself to do a half-assed job.

Ah well, never mind the question.

"it was a JOKE."

Actually son, it wasn't a joke. People get raped in prison. It's a very serious problem which, as evidenced by their apathy to the problem, the US government aproves of.

Please read about this topic before commenting on it. You clearly know nothing about it.

"Yeesh....."

That's what I'm thinking. If you insist on viewing the US legal system through rose tinted spectacles then I'm glad I don't live in your godforsaken country; there's too many people like you who are content for the government and the media to treat you like serfs. I want to be sure that my fellow countryman is well educated and prepared to stand up for my liberty as well as his own. I can't risk having imbecilic pawns being anywhere near me once the revolution comes.

You shouldn't be applauding prison rape. I don't care what a person did, they don't deserve to be ass raped till they bleed, or become Bubba's for protection.

In particular spam is annoying but does getting ass raped really fit the crime? Put yourself in their shoes, your a small geeky guy faced with 5 to 7 and your choice is hook up with someone and get it up the ass by one person, or not and the whole prison will gang-rape you. Phsycologically, you've lost all control in your life and you begin to despair and lose hope. If you're lucky your suicide attempt succeeds, because if the prison guards suspect that you attempted suicide to get away from the general population, they will throw you back to wolves, where you can die a slow painfull, tortured death from the nightly ass-poundings you receive.

That's not even funny.

It's a serious issue.

To learn more:
http://www.spr.org

Prison rape isn't a funny subject. Anyone who jokes about it should be thrown in prison and raped.

But it isn't funny.

It's cathartic, but it's not funny.

Stop Prison Rape.

Rape isn't funny when it happens to a man, it isn't funny when it happens to a woman. It isn't funny either inside a jail, or outside of it. When it happens in a place run by our government, it is even worse. There are plenty of things to laugh about, and rape isn't one of them. Why not read a web site written by a vietnam war protestor who was jailed, and then raped, as arranged by the prison guards. http://www.spr.org/

survivor accounts...

From the stopping prisoner rape webpage...

Sad stuff, there used to be more, but it isn't there now.

Stop Prison Rape. Statistics, stories.

Perhaps a quick glance at SPR.org will enlighten you as to what some people who are raped in prison go in for.

...of prison rape as a bad thing. That is, until I read this story. All I can say at this point is "Go to town, boys! He's all yours!"

Here is a link with some good information. Prison Rape must suck and I pity most people that have to deal with it

you

Stop Prison Rape - This link has been posted before but it won't hurt to post it again.